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Councilors, council officers, members of

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the public gallery and the broader

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Welcome to the 19 of August 2025 council

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meeting.

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This meeting is being recorded and

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However, as a visitor and the public

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In accordance with council's governance

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rules, members of the community were

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tonight's meeting.

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A reminder also to councilors, officers,

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and members of the public gallery to

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check that your mobile phones are

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the meeting.

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Councilors, members of the gallery and

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members of the community following via

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live streaming, I wish to advise we are

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about to read the prayer and

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acknowledgement of country.

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For anyone not wishing to be present in

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the chamber or to follow the live

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streaming for the reading of the prayer

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and or acknowledgement of country, there

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will be approximately 10 seconds for the

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reading of the prayer and 10 seconds for

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the acknowledgement of country. You will

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be advised when this has concluded.

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In addition, a message will appear on

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Thank you for your understanding in this

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matter.

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Moving to a prayer to the prayer, I

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would like to invite the CEO Mr.Cribs to

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read the prayer.

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Oh God, bless this City Bayside. Give us

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courage, strength, and wisdom so that

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our deliberations may be for the good of

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all. Amen.

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Amen. Acknowledgement of country. I

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would like to also invite Mr. Cribs to

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read the acknowledgement of country.

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Bayside City Council proudly

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acknowledges the Bunurong people of the

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Kulin Nation as the traditional owners

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and custodians of the land and we pay

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our respects to their Elders past,

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present and emerging, as well as any

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Aboriginal or Torres Strait Island

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committee members with us today.

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Thank you.

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Officers, please invite any individuals

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to return to the chamber and indicate

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for the live stream that we will now be

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continuing with the business on the

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agenda.

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We're moving to item three, apologies. I

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see all my fellow counselors are here.

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Welcome. So there's no apologies for

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tonight. Item four, declaration of

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conflict of interest. Are there any

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declaration of conflict of interest,

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counselors? I don't see any hands up. No

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declaration of conflict of interest.

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Moving to item five, adoption and

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confirmation of the minutes of the

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previous meetings. 5.1 confirmation of

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the minutes of the Bayside City Council

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meeting held on the 29th of July 2025. I

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would like a move a councelor councelor

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Eric moved and seconded by councelor

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Hockley. I'll put it to a vote. All

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those in favour, councelor Taylor Haynes,

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councelor Eric, councelor McIntosh,

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councelor Lee, councelor Murray, councelor

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Hockley, councelor El Mouallem against none and

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it is carried.

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We are moving to item six that is public

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question time.

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In accordance with council's governance

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rules, there will be a maximum of 15

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minutes allocated for public question

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time. The questions and responses read

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out during this time will be published

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in the minutes.

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All questions, even those not read out

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in the allocated time, will be responded

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to in writing.

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No more than two questions with a

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maximum of two parts to each question

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are permitted per individual.

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The reading of each question will be

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limited to the question only.

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It should also be noted that on occasion

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occasions the CEO or Mayor may determine

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to redact or disallow a question on the

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basis that it does not comply with

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council's governance rules. And there

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were 20 public questions received for

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this meeting. We're starting with

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question one from Mr. Warrick Helerini

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submitted the question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course

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and Mr. Helerini asked, "Will you consider

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a petition backed by all neighboring

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sports clubs including Cheltenham Football

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and Netball Club, Bayside Auganets Football

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Soccer Club, Cheltenham Cricket Club and

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the Victoria Golf Club Board to consult

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with local residents and sports clubs

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before any lease is renewed with a

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Cheltenham Golf Club." Response from the

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CEO.

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The petition will be considered as part

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of council the council report in

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relation to item 12.3 proposed lease

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Cheltenham Golf Course this evening.

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Moving from to question two. Mr. Chris

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Newman submitted the question related to

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the proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf

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Course and Mr. Newman asked will council

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conduct public consultation around the

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use of the public land currently being

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used by Cheltenham Golf Course as the

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lease reaches its end. response from the

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CEO.

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Item 12.3 on the agenda this evening is

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seeking or seeks public consultation in

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relation to lease  a lease proposal

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for a new lease to Cheltenham Golf Club.

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The decision on the item will be

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determined if consultation on the lease

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proposal is to progress.

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Question three from Mr. Shane Tate

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submitted question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course

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and Mr. Tate asked how and why was

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Victoria Golf Club allowed to present to

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council on Tuesday 27th of May their

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proposition for the Cheltenham Golf Club

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site. Response from CEO.

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Victoria Golf Club put forward an

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unsolicited proposal for the future use

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of the golf course lease area. With

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council considering the 21-year lease

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proposal to Cheltenham Golf Club, it was

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considered appropriate that alternative

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or alternate uses of the site be

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presented to council.

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if you speak louder.

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Yep. We'll speak louder.

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Question number four.

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Mr. John Berg submitted a question

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related to the proposed lease at Cheltenham

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Golf Course and Mr. Berg asked,

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"Honorable Mayor or CEO, with regards

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Cheltenham Golf Club's application for a

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lease extension both as Bayside City

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Council rate payer and Cheltenham Golf Club

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member, is there another golf club in

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the Bayside local community that

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encourages, supports, and welcome the

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youth of today to experience, learn, and

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enjoy the game of golf with the club

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holding a membership in excess of 160 in

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the age group under 18 to 25. Where else

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would these beginners be offered such a

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lowcost opportunity, membership and

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local convenience for such an enjoyable

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outdoor activity and experience?

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Response from CEO.

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Firstly, the report this evening is

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to consider undertaking consultation in

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relation to the proposed lease to the

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Cheltenham Golf Club.

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Council has two other public accessible

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golf courses that support community

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members to learn and play golf.

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Question number five from Mr. Mark

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Brandon submitted a question related to

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the proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf

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Course and Mr. Brandon asked, "I am

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Bayside City Council rate payer and

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Cheltenham Golf Club member. I know there

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were more than 60,000 rounds of golf

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played at the CGC during the past year.

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Where would those people go if it were

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to close? The majority of the 800

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members would not want to play mini

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golf. Response from CEO.

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The report to council is to consider

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consultation on the proposal for a new

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lease to Cheltenham Golf Club. As

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previously stated, there are also two

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other publicly accessible golf courses

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within the municipality.

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Question six from Mr. Jeff Martin

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submitted question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course

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and Mr. Martin asked, "Why would council

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consider gifting the Cheltenham Golf

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Course to a wealthy elite club when it

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is already providing a first class service

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to the community? Cheltenham Golf Club has

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a proven track history for providing

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premium golfing facility available to

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all Bayside residents." Response from

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CEO.

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There is no proposal to gift Cheltenham

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golf course to another club. Council

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will consider a report in relation to

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undertaking community consultation for a

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new lease to Cheltenham Golf Course.

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Question number seven from Mr. Chris

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Graham submitted question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course

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and Mr. Graham asked errant golf balls

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are regularly entering 

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neighboring houses on the sixth hole

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?  avenue and Cheltenham recreation reserve.

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Is council planning on undertaking any

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safety works to mitigate the property

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damages and risks of injury as Cheltenham

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Golf Course have stated that they do not

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have the required 1.5 million to fund

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the required safety works. Response from

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CEO.

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The club are seeking a new lease

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proposal to allow them capacity to fund

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and undertake works to mitigate errant

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golf balls. Mitigation of golf balls is

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a key element of what the club is

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proposing, particularly related to the

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narrow section of the course around the

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fifth and sixth holes as well as the

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boundary with Victoria Golf Club.

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Question number eight from Mr. Chris

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Graham submitted a further question

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related to the proposed lease at

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Cheltenham Golf Course and Mr. Graham

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asked, "Why the rush to renew the lease

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when there is still 5 years remaining on

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the current lease? Shouldn't community

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consultation be undertaken when renewing

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a lease for 20 plus years? Response from

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CEO.

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The proposal before council is to

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undertake community consultation in

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relation to a proposed lease. The

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Cheltenhamham Golf Club are seeking a new

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lease to make it financially viable to

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undertake course mitigation works.

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Question number nine from Mr. Matt

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Meredith submitted a question related to

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the proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf

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Course. And Mr. Meredith asked, "Are we

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going to support Cheltenham Golf Club

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lease renewal to shore up this beautiful

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and accessible piece of Bayside land for

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all the community for another 21 years?"

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Response from CEO.

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Council will consider a report to

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undertake community consultation in

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relation to a proposed 21-year lease to

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Cheltenham Golf Club this evening.

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Question 10 from Miss Philippa Godho

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submitted question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course.

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And Miss Codinho asked, "I would like to

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know whether any members of council are

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current members of Victoria Golf Club.

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If so, should they abstain from voting

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on the matter of the lease of Cheltenham

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Golf Club?" Response from CEO.

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Councilors are required to disclose

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conflicts of interest in decision-m.

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Individual counselors will disclose

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conflicts of interest where appropriate

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on the items in the agenda. Where a

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council discloses a conflict of

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interest, they will leave the chamber

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during discussions and voting. Question

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11 from Mr. Adam King submitted question

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related to the proposed lease at

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Cheltenham Golf Course and Mr. King asked

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the previous council declined to renew

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Cheltenham Golf Club's lease due to its

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failure to meet vegetation and tree

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management obligations what assurance

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does this council have that the club

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will address the safety risk on halls

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five and six before a serious health and

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safety incident occurs at the CFNC oval.

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Response from the CEO.

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Cheltenham Golf Club currently have a lease

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which commenced on the 29th of May 2009

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and have been operating from the site

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since 1930.

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No new lease proposal was put to the

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previous council in relation to the

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Cheltenham Golf Course. The lease will

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require further mitigation works to be

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undertaken in relation to the fifth and

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sixth holes and ongoing vegetation

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management.

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Question 12. Mr. Adam King submitted a

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further question related to the proposed

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lease at Cheltenham Golf Course. And Mr.

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King asked regarding the Charlton Golf

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Club's capacity to deliver the proposed

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1.5 million safety net down hall 5, does

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the proposed lease include a sunset or

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termination clause in the event the club

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fails to meet the three-year time frame?

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Specifically, what provisions exist to

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protect council and the community should

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the serious injury or fatality occur

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before the safety works are completed?

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Response from CEO.

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Should council agree to a new lease, the

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proposed mitigation works will be

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required to be undertaken within the

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first 3 years of that lease. Under the

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lease, the tenant is required to

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mitigate the risks of stray golf balls.

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This includes maintaining appropriate

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insurance to address um potential

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liability associated with any incident.

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Moving to question 13. Mr. Warrick Hill

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Reie submitted a further question

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related to the proposed lease at

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Cheltenham Golf Course and he asks given

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that at Sandy Links council receives

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more than $680,000 each year from a golf

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facility open to all why is the proposed

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starting rate for Cheltenham Golf Club set

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at just 41,818

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plus GST barely 7% of Sandy Link's

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return despite it occupying valuable

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public land. Response from CEO

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Sandringham Golf Course operates as an

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18hole commercial golf course, whereas

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the Cheltenham Golf Club are currently

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considered a not-for-profit community

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group. Under council's lease and license

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policy, the club is categorized under

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group three other clubs and

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organizations. Minimum rental for such

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tenants is $451.35

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based on council fee and charges for

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202526

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financial year with a higher rental set

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based on the capacity to generate

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revenue. Question 14. Mr. Robert Savage

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submitted question related to the

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proposed lease at Cheltenham Golf Course

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and Mr. Savage asked, "What assurances

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and supporting evidence can the council

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provide to the Victoria Golf Club that

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the proposed reversal changes to the

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halls on our boundary will in fact stop

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the risk of ball strikes to our

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property, injury or at worst fatality to

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our members, guest and staff." Response

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from CEO.

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Council understands that Cheltenham Golf

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Club has worked with Victoria Golf Club

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in relation to seeking to mitigate the

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risk on the boundary. Cheltenham Golf

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Club are responsible to ensure that the

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risk is effectively mitigated as it has

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sought to do with the current changes

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to hole nine. Question 15 from Mr.

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Peter Stevens submitted a question

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related to dog off leash arrangements at

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Banksia Oval and Mr. Stevens asked, "The

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council has stated that Banksia Oval

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will be returned to a dog off leash area

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once the restoration is complete, but I

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understand that the Beaumaris Football Club

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are planning on applying for an upgrade

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to their VFL status and in doing so

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would see dogs banned in any case. Is

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the council aware of this plan and would

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they oppose it as it seems to go against

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the council's stated policy of keeping

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the oval a shared space?" Response from

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CEO Council

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is not aware of any application the Beaumaris

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 football club has made in

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relation to its VFL status. There are no

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plans to change the dog restrictions at

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Banksia Reserve. Any changes would be

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made only at the direction of council.

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Question 16 from Miss Amanda Levi

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submitted the question related to dog

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waste bag dispensers and Miss Levi asked

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over the period 2020 to 2025 for each

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year how many dog waste bag dispensers

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were in Bayside and part two given waste

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bag dispensers are noted as being

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provided by council in both the draft

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temp and response to item 12.2 two of

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this agenda and given the president of

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the city of Port Philip dog lovers the

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BDA equivalent in COP

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was advised by Bayside city council that

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waste dispensers are in the process of

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being removed across Bayside. Could you

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please confirm council absolute position

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in relation to the provision of waste

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bags? Response from CEO.

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Approximately 3 million dog waste bags

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are dispensed annually from the 90

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dispensers in the 51 locations across

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Bayside.

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Council is aware of communications that

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has suggested there will be the removal

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of dispensers. It should be noted that

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locations of existing or sites for new

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dispensers will be reviewed from time to

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time, particularly where um there are

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identified locations with high levels of

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dog excrement or bags being

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inappropriately disposed of.

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Notwithstanding this, council has no

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plans to systematically remove  dog

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poo bag dispensers across Bayside. This

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is an important service council will

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continue to provide to the community. In

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addition, it is noted that pursuant to

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council's local law, dog owners are

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required to carry their own dog poo bags

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um to clean up after their dogs.

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Question 17 from Miss Caroline Hines

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submitted question related to the

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proposed dog on leash arrangements at

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Hampton Beach and Miss Hines asked on

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what basis has Hampton Beach been

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selected as the most appropriate beach

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outside Ricketts Point to change to

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being on leash at all times through

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winter as part of the damp review. There

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are other Bayside beaches which have

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 far higher usage by non-dog users

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throughout the winter months. Example,

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Dendy Beach was the bathing boxes and

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the new cafe. Response from CEO.

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This review looked at opportunities to

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simplify restrictions, balance safety,

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amenity and access considerations at all

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beaches in Bayside. Having an area in

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the north Hampton Beach and south

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Ricketts Point between the disability

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divers ramp and the sea scout boat ramp

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of the municipality allowed a balanced

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approach where residents and dog owners

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can enjoy two locations along the um

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foreshore knowing dogs are on leash.

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Hampton Beach was considered appropriate

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as it offered off leash locations in

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close proximity.

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Question 18 from Mr. Ryan Gaul submitted

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a question related to the proposed lease

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at Cheltenham Golf Course and Mr. Gaul asked

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can council confirm the proportion of

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Cheltenham Golf Club members who are

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Bayside residents and explain how it

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justifies providing heavily subsidized

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public land to a membership base that

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may be predominantly reside outside the

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municipality. Response from CEO.

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Council understands that 90% of the

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members reside within 10 kilometers of

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the course with just under 73 being

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Bayside residents. Cheltenhamham Golf Club

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are also responsible for all the

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maintenance at the site which as crown

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land is open and accessible to the

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public. Question 19 from Miss 

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Elizabeth Walsh submitted question

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related to the proposed dog off leash

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arrangements at Ricketts Point Murrayne

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Sanctuary. And Miss Walsh asked, "Why

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hasn't council followed Park's

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Victoria's recommendation to prohibit

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dogs off leash next to Ricketts Point

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Murrayne Sanctuary?" Response from CEO.

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Council has undertaken consultation with

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various groups to assist in reviewing

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the existing beach restrictions. Parks

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Victoria is one of those parties. All

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views have been considered to achieve a

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balanced approach to the management of

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this area. Council and Parks Victoria

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are committed to collaborating closely

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moving forward to protect this area

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appropriately.

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Question number 20 from Mr. Gregory

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Mayor submitted question related to the

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proposed domestic animal management plan

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and Mr. Mayor asked why is the council

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report for the domestic animals

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management plan silent on Parks

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Victoria's position on the changes

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proposed at Ricketts Point and what is

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the process for including them in

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decision-m as a statutory land manager

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of beach areas at the sanctuary?

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Response from CEO.

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In response to feedback from Parks

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Victoria and conservation groups,

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council officers have proposed tighter

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restrictions within the Ricketts Point

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conservation area. However, there is

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also the need to balance the need for

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dog off leash um areas in conjunction

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with this to ensure we are um supporting

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the entire community. The proposal

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attempts to balance protecting these

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sensitive environment environments while

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supporting dog owners with clear dog

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friendly zones and more consistent

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rules.

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That concludes public question time. The

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questions and responses read out will be

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published in the minutes and be

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responded to in writing. Thank you.

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Now we are moving to section 7 petitions

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to council 7.1 petition for council to

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stop closing off leash dog beaches and

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dog parks. Councilors, do I have a

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mover? Thank you councelor Hockley and

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seconded. Thank you councelor Erlic.

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Would you like to say anything?

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Councelor Hockley, regarding this.

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, Mayor, I think we'll um we'll be

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covering this issue in more detail um

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very shortly, but  I do want I do note

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that there's um there's a significant

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amount of  of public support for um

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for this issue.

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Thank you, Council Eric.

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Like to say a few words.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think we'll wait

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for for the debate.

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Thank you, councilors. I'm going to put

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it to a vote. All those in favor?

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Councelor Taylor Haynes, Councelor

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Early, Councelor Mintosh, Council Lee,

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Councelor Murray, Council Hartley, Council

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Malm against non- entities carried.

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 7.2 petition for council to undertake

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a transparent and community first

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process to determine the future use of

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the land currently leased to Cheltenham

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Golf Club. Do I have a mover? Councelor

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Lee moved and seconded by Councelor

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McIntosh. Councelor Lee, would you like

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to say a few words?

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Um I think  we'll be on with a debate

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about this whole issue shortly. So I

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think it's best left to that.

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Thank you councelor McIntosh.

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I agree with councelor Lee on this.

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We'll wait until the debate further on

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in the agenda.

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Fantastic. I'll put it to vote. All

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those in favor councelor Taylor Hanss,

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councelor ollet, councelor Mintosh,

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councelor Lee, councelor Murray,

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councelor Hockley, councelor Mimm

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against nine and it is carried.

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We are moving to section 8 minutes of

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advisory committees and 8.1 records of

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meetings hand held under the opaces of

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council. Do I have a mover? Thank you

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councelor Hockley and seconder. Thank

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you councelor Mintosh. All those in

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favor councelor Taylor hands councelor

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councelor Macintosh council Lee

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councelor Murray councelor Hockley

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council malam against none it is carried

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8.2 to minutes of the reconciliation

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action plan advisory committee meeting

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held on the 23rd of July 2025. I need a

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mover. Councelor Hockley. Thank you. And

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seconded by councelor Murray.

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I'll put it to vote. All those in favor

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councelor Taylor Hanss, councelor

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Elliot, councelor Mintosh, councelor

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Lee, councelor Murray, councelor

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Hockley, councelor Malim against none.

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It is carried.

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8.3 minutes of the disability access and

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inclusion advisory committee meeting

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held on the 28th of July 2025. I need a

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mover. Councelor Mintosh and a seconder,

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Councelor Hockley. Put it to vote. All

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those in favor, councelor Taylor Haynes,

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councelor Early, Councelor Mintosh,

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Councelor Lee, Council Murray, Councelor

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Hockley, Council Mim against none. It is

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carried. Section 9, reports by special

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committees, and there were no reports by

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special committees. Moving to section

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10, urgent business, and there were no

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items of urgent business for tonight's

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meeting. 11 notice of motions and there

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were no notices notices of motion for

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tonight's meeting. Now we are moving to

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section 12 reports by the organization

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councilors and members of the gallery.

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There were 15 formal written statements

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received to items on the agenda for

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tonight's meeting and there were 17

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requests to speak received.

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In accordance with council's governance

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rules, the names of those who have

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submitted a written statement will be

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read out at the commencement of each

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item and recorded in the minutes.

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However, statements are not read out to

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the meeting. We will then hear from

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registered speakers who will each have

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two minutes to give their presentation.

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The time will be electronically

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displayed on the screen above and after

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your speaking time has expired, you will

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hear this sound.

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sound.

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A reminder also to the speakers to

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please contain your presentation to the

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subject matter. Please also ensure your

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comments are respectful and refrain from

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making any derogatory or defamatory

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comments of any counselor, member of

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council staff or member of the

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community. Should you be in breach of

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this requirement, your presentation will

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be immediately terminated and you will

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be asked to return to your seat.

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Should you have any documents or

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pictures to be circulated to counselors

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as part of your presentation, please

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indicate when you approach the speaker's

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table and the governance officers will

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review the documents first and assist in

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distributing them to each counselor to

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ensure the best audio experience for the

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gallery and those following the meeting

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online. If speakers, officers, and

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counselors could also remember to speak

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directly into the microphones.

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Now we are moving to item 12.1 of the

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agenda that is the common property at 15

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outer crescent Brighton local law tree

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removal appeal application and there

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were no requests to be heard tonight

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councilor's arm in your hands

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on item 12.1

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common property 15 out of crescent do I

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have a mover

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Councilors, if we don't have a mover, we

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would need to defer the item for the

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next meeting.

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You got a question councelor Lee? Please

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ask into the microphone.

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Yes, I've got a question.

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Please go ahead.

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Given where councils are aware of the

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reasons why there appears to be no no

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mover of it perhaps given we've got a

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gallery here to the degree we have it'd

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be wise to at least inform people what

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and why we have we are not moving doing

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doing the motion.

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So, so councel I'm getting advice from

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all governance and he has asked me if we

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don't have a mover up for the

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recommendation we need a mo to defair

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the item till the next meeting.

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Mr. Mayor, if I may, just a point of

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order. Um, as the Mayor, you're chairing

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the meeting obviously, but this  this

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tree removal is in your ward. So, , if

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you wish to step down from the chair and

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speak to it, , that's that's another

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option that's available to us, but I'm

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just raising that as a as an option if

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you wish this item to proceed.

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Councelor

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Huckley. Um, considering that we have

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number of contentious items on tonight's

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agenda, I would just like to keep the

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meeting rolling. So, at this stage,

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if there is no mover council, I'll move.

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You move it.

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And councelor Macintosh

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second to defer. So we got a mover to

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defair and a seconder and we'll put it

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to a vote those in favor councelor

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Taylor Haynes councelor Mintosh

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councelor Lee councelor Hockley and

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councel malam against

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abstain we got councelor er and abstain

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councel marray and the moving to the

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further item is carried

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we are moving to item 12.2 two that is

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domestic animal management plan action

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beach restriction review

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and counselors you will be aware of an

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error in the report for this item which

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refers to 263 signitories

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being from post code 3191

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and the suburbs of Black Rockck and by

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Morris for the benefit of the gallery

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post code 3191 is of course applies to

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Sandringham so for clarification These

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signitories reside in Sandringham. Thank

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you. Request to be heard. There were 11

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written statements received and they are

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from Miss Joan Millios, Miss Caroline

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Farrell, Miss Neil Wiffin, Dr. Stewart

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Young, Mr. Granberry, Miss Elli Williams

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on behalf of Parks Victoria, Miss Leanne

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McMman, Miss Allison Horton on behalf of

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Murrayne Care Rickerts Point, Mr. Robert

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Steckelenberg,

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Mr. Rob Winning and Miss Gabrielle

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Clair. And there were eight requests to

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speak. Could the first speaker, Miss

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Tanya Arton, on behalf of Bird Life

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Australia, please approach the speaker's

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table?

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[Music]

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24.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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Um bird life bayside is priMurrayly

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concerned with the Ricketts Point

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Sanctuary. The importance of the

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sanctuary is because many water birds

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and migratory waiters roost on the rocks

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and seek shelter there. They can't seek

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shelter on the beaches because there's

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too many people. And even if people

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aren't there,  vegetation and  other

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things are there that could hide

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predators and the birds cannot safely um

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roost there.

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One of the things that people don't

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realize is how much energy it takes for

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birds to fly.

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Um a study was done on red knots which

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are about the third of the size of a

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silver gull and a single pippy which

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they eat which is a by valve will take

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will give them about 10 hours

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of energy to sleep. It will give them

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about 4 hours energy to feed. But if

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they have to suddenly take off because

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there's danger it it's a minute and a

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half of energy. And these birds have to

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fly 12,000 kilometers to Siberia to

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breed and then back again every year.

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And so larger birds like pelicans and

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corance use up a lot more energy if they

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have to take off and fly. And even the

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presence of dogs on the beaches around

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will cause the birds to alert and lose

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energy that way. So it's very important

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that Ricketts Point Murrayne Sanctuary be

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protected.

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Thank you, Mr. Ton. Do we have any

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questions to the speaker?

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Yes,

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please. We got some questions. Please go

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ahead. Councelor Taylor hands.

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Thank you, Tanya. So, one um a question.

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Young children are also prone to chasing

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the birds on the platforms. Should we

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not be mindful of the impact of human

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activities on the rock platforms?

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Ideally, humans should be excluded. Yes.

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From the sanctuary itself or just from

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the platforms?

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From the rock platforms where the birds

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are roosting.

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Okay,

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thank you. Any further questions?

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, you may take your seat. We cannot

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take questions from the gallery. Sorry.

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We are moving to second speaker and that

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Miss Sally Aldridge on behalf of Friends

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of Native Wildlife.

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Thank you. And we'll just get the

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governance manager to take

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the prints and get them distributed.

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Thank you.

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You can start when you're ready.

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Mayor and councilors, Bayside's 2050

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community plan prioritizes enhancing and

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protecting quote the full range of

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botanical flora and fauna biodiversity.

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Both the Ricketts Point foreshore and

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sanctuary are regionally significant for

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biodiversity.

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A key objective of this review is

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protecting the biodiversity at Rickettts

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Point from increasing dog pressure into

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the future. The sanctuary was designated

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to protect the Murrayne biodiversity for

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posterity and as the basis for

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nature-based education, recreation, and

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tourism. Parks Victoria advises that

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between Quiet Corner and Table Rock are

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habitats which are vulnerable to dog

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impacts. They note impact occurring in

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the off lead area.

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Other potential impacts include birds

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avoiding areas as they are viewed dogs

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as predators even when on lead. We

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believe the proposed controls are

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ineffective because offle dogs trample

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fragile habitats. They disturb and

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scatter birds. Their polluting excretor

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are spread over a wide area. Onle dogs

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disturb birds too and are frequently let

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off lead despite controls.

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Seasonal and time restrictions aren't

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effective as shorebirds use the area

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year round and according to the tides,

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not man-made signs. Boundaries between

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different control areas are very

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difficult to see when you are walking

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along the shoreline. All other Murrayne

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sanctuaries on the foreshore prohibit

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dogs because it is more effective and

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easier to enforce.

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Sensibly, council is proposing extensive

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dog walking opportunities at less

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significant areas along the coast. Fona

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requests that council prohibit all dogs

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at Rickettts Point to protect its

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outstanding biodiversity for the future

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generations of Bayside and beyond.

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Thank you. And just on time, do we have

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any questions to the speaker? Council

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Taylor Hans, do you mind just standing

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up? Council Taylor,

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thank you Sally. A question you um state

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that it's been noted at quite corner

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there of an impact occurring. What sight

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specific peerreviewed evidence has been

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presented

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at the ref reference from Parks Victoria

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wasn't a quiet corner. It was to the

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24hour off leash area.

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Okay. And what

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what site specific peerreed evidence has

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been presented? Well, I believe that

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Parks Victoria monitor the area and that

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they are in a good position to um advise

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on those impacts.

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Okay. As councilors, we've not seen any

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of that data.

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Thank you, Councelor Palans. Any further

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questions to the speaker?

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You may take your seat. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm calling on Miss Amanda Levi on

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behalf of Bayside Dog Alliance  to

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come forward, please.

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I have a USB.

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 so we got a presentation.

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 just a couple of slides.

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Let me ask the governance manager if we

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can allow this.

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Can you read it?

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Do you have a laptop that's not

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connected to the system?

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Miss Levi, I've been told just because

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of our IT system and security, we're we

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won't be able to present these two

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slides. So, apologies.

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No worries.

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Can I please request clarification

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because in the um in the notes there it

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says that that speakers are entitled to

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present information. Does it say in the

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governance rules or when they submit

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their um  their written statements or

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online are they told then that they will

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Thank you.

00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.456
I have done previously. I have USB

00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.976
through your chair. Um as part of our

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.055
acceptable use policy we don't allow

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.216
USBs within the organization or

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:14.776
unvetted. So this this would be deem a

00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.696
risk for us. So had we have received it

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:18.136
prior, we would have been able to check

00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:20.296
it. Thank you,

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:21.496
Miss Levi.

00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:22.936
Okay. Thank you.

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:23.496
Start.

00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:25.176
I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the

00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:27.176
Bayside Dog Alliance representing

00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:30.200
Bayside Dog owners. The BDA opposes the

00:38:30.240 --> 00:38:32.936
proposed dog off leash changes and asks

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:34.776
councilors to propose an alternate

00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.016
motion supporting the feedback from the

00:38:37.040 --> 00:38:39.416
community drop-in sessions, the online

00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.055
survey, and the community forum in

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.136
April, which I spoke at two of the panel

00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:46.936
sessions. There are already substantial

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.016
restrictions in place for dog owners at

00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:51.736
Rickettt's Point with no factual or

00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:53.496
current data that any further

00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:55.496
restrictions will benefit the targeted

00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:58.376
areas whatsoever.

00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.456
Before any more dog restrictions are

00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.016
imposed, a full assessment for each area

00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:05.335
needs to be completed. We need to

00:39:05.359 --> 00:39:07.176
understand the impact of unrestricted

00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:10.200
human access, foxes, feral cats, and

00:39:10.720 --> 00:39:13.496
introduced species and also balance the

00:39:13.520 --> 00:39:16.055
positive effect the local dog community

00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.536
has picking up rubbish, possibly

00:39:18.560 --> 00:39:20.696
deterring poachers and illegal fishermen

00:39:20.720 --> 00:39:23.575
with an on-site presence. I urge

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.496
councilors to support the voice of the

00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:27.896
community for Bayside Council to provide

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.920
the updated signage as proposed, but

00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:33.256
also strictly enforce current

00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.575
restrictions like what occurred in the

00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.536
other council areas last summer. Each

00:39:38.560 --> 00:39:40.616
and every time a pro proposal to

00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:42.936
restrict or reduce places for dogs is

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.016
proposed, council state they will look

00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:47.656
for alternative open space. We then get

00:39:47.680 --> 00:39:49.575
platitudes about the competing nature

00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.456
for open space in Bayside and dog owners

00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.256
end up losing out. Quiet Corner is a

00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.055
good example of that overstating the off

00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.936
leash provision in a proposal and also

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.335
Banks Reserve where only onethird of the

00:40:03.359 --> 00:40:05.095
requested area was provided for the

00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.496
temporary park. Dogs are not well

00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:09.815
catered for in Bayside. Placing further

00:40:09.839 --> 00:40:11.976
restrictions on localized areas to walk

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.696
our dogs places pressure on the already

00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:17.176
overcrowded spaces.

00:40:17.200 --> 00:40:20.200
Thank you, M Levi. Also, just on time.

00:40:23.090 --> 00:40:25.736
[Applause]

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.136
Thank you. And do we have any questions?

00:40:28.160 --> 00:40:29.656
Councelor Taylor Hayes, do you mind

00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:31.256
standing up, please? And

00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.575
thank you, Amanda. So, you you mentioned

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.599
Banksia Reserve, the temporary temporary

00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:39.720
dog park. Um, community feedback is that

00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:42.696
it's not quite fit for purpose. It's not

00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:44.616
adequate for larger dogs, has no

00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:46.856
drinking facilities or poo bag

00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.736
dispensers. Was you as president of the

00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.216
BDA consulted on the design of the dog

00:40:52.240 --> 00:40:55.240
park? And if so, what went wrong? I

00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.736
don't know what went wrong. I met with

00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.760
council staff on site. I met with the

00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.800
prior counselor on site and also um the

00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:06.776
president of the Boris Football Club on

00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.800
site and we had an area which we pegged

00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.256
out and we submitted through to council.

00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.280
Um I spoke with the um planning um

00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.280
person who the design and amenity person

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.335
at Bayside City Council and we submitted

00:41:23.359 --> 00:41:26.136
plans for that proposed park and it

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:29.160
ended up a third of the size. um for a

00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.376
temporary park which is supposed to

00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.016
replace the off leash space at Banksia.

00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:38.040
It's not fit for purpose. Um there is no

00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.960
water. The poo bags are outside. I would

00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:44.536
encourage us to keep that as a small dog

00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:46.536
park moving forward because it's great

00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:49.256
for small dogs, but it's not beneficial

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.496
for the larger dogs. I was there at 4:00

00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:53.416
tonight and they were on all the dogs

00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:54.696
are on the oval still.

00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:56.136
Thank you, M. Levi. Do we have any

00:41:56.160 --> 00:41:58.136
further questions? Councelor Lee,

00:41:58.160 --> 00:41:59.416
please. Do you mind standing up?

00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.575
Yeah, sure. Um,

00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.295
do you do you believe that that dog park

00:42:04.319 --> 00:42:05.976
looked like it's been made permanently

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.736
or does it look like it's a temporary

00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:08.536
arrangement?

00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:10.536
It looks like a permanent park to me.

00:42:10.560 --> 00:42:12.136
Thank you, councelor.

00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:14.295
Councelor Eric, you got a question.

00:42:14.319 --> 00:42:14.616
Thank you.

00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:15.815
, thanks for that presentation,

00:42:15.839 --> 00:42:18.839
Amanda. um your submission um it

00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:21.335
highlights the extensive community

00:42:21.359 --> 00:42:23.976
consultations earlier this year which

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.936
seemed to be have been overlooked  by

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.256
the council's recommendations.

00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.656
Could you please for us describe what it

00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:33.416
was like to participate in those forums

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.256
and how it felt to see the community's

00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.896
feedback for simpler access times and

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.815
more off leash areas seemingly

00:42:39.839 --> 00:42:41.736
disregarded.

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.456
It's crashing to the dog community. Um

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.295
more and more we're just seeing our

00:42:46.319 --> 00:42:49.319
spaces restricted. Um Watkins Bay is a

00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:51.976
good example of that. It's a very small

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.536
localized community. We've had gates

00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:57.416
taken off ovals so we can no longer

00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.055
train our dogs. We have no areas to

00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.936
train little puppies. Um obviously

00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.656
recall is something which is a a learned

00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:07.176
and a taught behavior. It's not

00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:09.656
something which comes naturally. So we

00:43:09.680 --> 00:43:12.055
we need off leash space to be able to

00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.456
take our dogs for training. They're also

00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.136
dogs of different ages and different

00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:18.055
abilities and we just don't cater for

00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.079
those. Um it was to participate within

00:43:22.319 --> 00:43:25.319
the forum um was an honor to represent

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.616
our dog owners through to the community

00:43:28.640 --> 00:43:31.256
and the community spoke. Um, everyone's

00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.280
seen the survey results um and read the

00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:38.040
the reports of that. Um, to find that on

00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:42.520
leash is going to fully restricted as

00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:46.040
part of council's proposal. , it's

00:43:46.240 --> 00:43:48.295
just it's crushing to the local dog

00:43:48.319 --> 00:43:48.856
community.

00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:50.376
Thank you. Thank you, Amanda. Any

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.295
further questions to speaker? Councelor,

00:43:52.319 --> 00:43:53.176
please go ahead.

00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:54.376
Thank you, Amanda. I've just got one

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:55.736
more question in relation to your

00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.815
submission and this follows on from u

00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:00.839
councelor Taylor Haynes  comments

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.815
earlier. Um your submission notes the

00:44:03.839 --> 00:44:05.736
lack of recent sight specific evidence

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.896
about dog impacts.

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.656
As someone deeply invested in fair

00:44:09.680 --> 00:44:11.815
outcomes, what kind of collaborative

00:44:11.839 --> 00:44:14.295
approach or study would you and the BDA

00:44:14.319 --> 00:44:16.856
like to see to ensure decisions are

00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.880
based on balanced and up-to-date data?

00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:22.456
I think in this day and age, and don't

00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.456
get me wrong, I think Rickett's point is

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.416
absolutely it needs protecting. I just

00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.815
don't believe that restricting dogs

00:44:29.839 --> 00:44:32.536
further is the way to go. We have

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:35.416
technology which measures bears in

00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.416
Alaska. We see that through National

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.055
Direct Geographic. We need a a more

00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.295
technological approach to actually

00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:44.136
review what is happening in each of

00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:47.095
those specific areas. We go down there

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.119
and there is um no seaggrass at Watkins

00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:52.295
Bay that a dog could touch with its

00:44:52.319 --> 00:44:54.696
little paws. I mean, a dog's paw is you

00:44:54.720 --> 00:44:56.776
could fit five of those in one of my

00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.696
footprints, let alone people that are

00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:00.856
walking down there with flippers and you

00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.176
know, they're waist deep, but a dog is

00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:06.200
swimming. Um, I'd like to see evidence

00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.960
and scientifically based evidence which

00:45:10.720 --> 00:45:13.496
would provide us a way forward and parks

00:45:13.520 --> 00:45:16.376
Victoria a way forward rather than

00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.400
relying on ports reports dated in 2005

00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:22.936
from with journals from 1988.

00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.960
Thank you Levi. I believe councelor Lee

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.456
and then councel Mar. So councelor Lee

00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:29.335
please state.

00:45:29.359 --> 00:45:31.815
Thank you. Um, it's well known that

00:45:31.839 --> 00:45:34.839
foxes, a fox is found in Victoria within

00:45:35.839 --> 00:45:38.136
400 meters of every house in the state.

00:45:38.160 --> 00:45:40.616
That's what the state system says. Do

00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:41.815
you know whether there's been any

00:45:41.839 --> 00:45:43.815
attempts down there to remove foxes?

00:45:43.839 --> 00:45:46.216
Because I would have thought wildlife

00:45:46.240 --> 00:45:48.055
down there such as foxes would be

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.896
dangerous to the birds as well. So, I'm

00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.335
wondering whether there's been you're

00:45:51.359 --> 00:45:53.416
aware of any anything. I'm not aware of

00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.496
any attempts to remove them, but if

00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:57.256
there have been, they're unsuccessful

00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.256
because there are dead psums on my lawn

00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.280
with their heads ripped off weekly.

00:46:02.319 --> 00:46:04.376
Thank you. , councelor Murray, you got

00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:05.416
a question. Please go ahead.

00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.656
Yes, thank you. Um, just with  regard

00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:09.496
to the sort of the day night starts the

00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:11.575
10:00 a.m. to the 7 or 7:30. Do you have

00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.055
a view as to whether it would make a big

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.776
difference to for the time nighttime

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.736
being 7:30 p.m. as opposed to 700 p.m.?

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.295
Do you have a strong view on that? 700

00:46:22.319 --> 00:46:25.016
p.m. I would prefer it to be 6:00 p.m.

00:46:25.040 --> 00:46:28.040
Um, only because during from February

00:46:29.040 --> 00:46:31.095
the sun starts going down earlier and

00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.896
earlier. So basically from midFebruary

00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.776
7:30 it's almost dark. You get about 15

00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.176
minutes on the beach. So there's not

00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:42.200
many dog walkers down there in late

00:46:42.720 --> 00:46:45.720
summer um or early winter. Um the

00:46:46.319 --> 00:46:47.815
community said that it was quite

00:46:47.839 --> 00:46:49.416
balanced and that came through in the

00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.216
feedback. So, um, I'll take the

00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:54.216
community's view on that, but I would

00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:56.616
like to take my job down there a lot.

00:46:56.640 --> 00:46:58.696
Thank Thank you, Mr. Levi. Councelor

00:46:58.720 --> 00:47:00.055
Hockley, we got a question. Please go

00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.095
ahead.

00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:02.216
Amanda, thanks very much for your

00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:05.016
presentation. I'm interested in what the

00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:08.040
um the Dog Alliance has to say about the

00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.480
usefulness or the relevance to um  to

00:47:12.319 --> 00:47:15.319
the overall  situation as to the

00:47:15.359 --> 00:47:18.359
availability of off leash areas of the

00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.960
area. That's 1,400 m or so to the east

00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:25.240
but not in Bayside which is the 24-hour

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.000
7 day a week 365 day a year dog beach at

00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:31.496
Minton.

00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:34.520
 we have residents that live in

00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:37.256
Bayside. Um I don't think we should be

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.280
relying on another council to supply

00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:43.640
that area. Um, further

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.216
we most of the residents that use that

00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:49.240
beach are locals use those beaches other

00:47:49.359 --> 00:47:52.359
than Rickettts Point Dog Beach, which

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.335
people do drive to, but there is very

00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:58.055
limited parking there. So, taking your

00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.776
dog in a hot car in the middle of summer

00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.800
is not really a viable proposition for a

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.055
Bayside resident. Most of our residents

00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.616
walk their dogs in the off leash areas

00:48:08.640 --> 00:48:11.640
prior to 10:00 a.m. But the Ricketts

00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:15.720
Point Watkins Bay and the areas um at

00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:19.720
the Boris dog off leash beach severely

00:48:20.240 --> 00:48:22.856
impacts the local dog walkers and local

00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:23.575
dog owners.

00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.136
Thank you, Mi Counselors. We do have

00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:29.160
five more  speakers, so I might get

00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.295
you to take your seat. Thank you. And

00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:35.319
I'm going to

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.016
Thank you. Can I call on Miss Karen

00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:43.095
Fitzgerald on behalf of Murrayne Care

00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.176
Ricketts Point to come forward? Thank

00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:48.200
you.

00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.136
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, councilors,

00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:56.295
for this opportunity.

00:48:56.319 --> 00:48:58.376
Parks Victoria manages Rickettts Point

00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.456
Murrayne Sanctuary as endorsed by the

00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.480
environment minister in 2005.

00:49:03.839 --> 00:49:05.656
Since then, there's been an increase in

00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:08.136
population, dog owners, and demand for

00:49:08.160 --> 00:49:11.016
recreation spaces that allow dogs to

00:49:11.040 --> 00:49:13.575
exercise. Council is not the land

00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.496
manager for beach areas below the high

00:49:15.520 --> 00:49:18.216
tide mark and does not have statutory

00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:21.240
control over these areas. It has houses

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.535
highly sensitive Murrayne habitats which

00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.776
include numerous migratory and resident

00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.656
birds. Disturbance causes distress to

00:49:29.680 --> 00:49:32.680
Murrayne life. Dog feces and urine cause

00:49:32.720 --> 00:49:35.256
high levels of pollution. Owners often

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.216
have no control when dogs are off lead.

00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:40.456
We accept the damp for the rest of the

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.776
Bayside area, but there should be a

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.256
delay on the sanctuary's damp controls

00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.280
until proper consultation has occurred.

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:50.856
Our discussions with Parks Victoria

00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.776
indicate a preference to prohibit dogs

00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.856
from entering Ricketts Point's beaches

00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.880
and intertitle areas at times in some

00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.920
areas and have dogs on lead to bring the

00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:03.176
Murrayne park closer to all other

00:50:03.200 --> 00:50:05.815
Victorian Murrayne parks which are managed

00:50:05.839 --> 00:50:08.839
as no dog zones. The council report

00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:10.696
states that proposed changes to

00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:13.720
foreshore dog offle restrictions are not

00:50:13.839 --> 00:50:15.416
technically affected by the provisions

00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.216
of the Murrayne statutory master plan

00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:20.456
which is incorrect given the lack of

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.616
engagement and collaboration with parks

00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:25.176
Victoria to date. Murrayne care ricketetts

00:50:25.200 --> 00:50:27.656
point requests the council resolution

00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:29.815
relating to the damp is amended as

00:50:29.839 --> 00:50:32.535
follows. Council officers remove all

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.095
references to modified dog off lead

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.095
provisions affecting the sanctuary from

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.119
the damp. Investigate the legality of

00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:43.016
applying new dog off lead provisions

00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:45.016
without the prior written consent of

00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.976
Parks Victoria and engage with Parks

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.136
Victoria to establish provisions in

00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:52.376
intertitle beach areas of Ricketts Point

00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.216
Murrayne Sanctuary that meet the

00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.055
management objectives of both

00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.376
organizations and report back

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.016
recommendations to council. We would

00:51:01.040 --> 00:51:03.176
prefer no dogs in the sanctuary or on

00:51:03.200 --> 00:51:05.736
lead at all times for the summer.

00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.656
Fitzgerald. Do you have any questions to

00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:10.680
the speaker? Councelor Taylor HS please.

00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:13.720
Thank you um Miss Fitzgerald.

00:51:13.839 --> 00:51:16.839
So once again I would ask

00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.119
for evidence claims about dog impacts on

00:51:20.640 --> 00:51:23.640
seaggrass wildlife at um Ricketts Point

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.656
as well as the fecal matter in the

00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:28.680
waters are largely anecdotal. What site

00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.055
Pacific specific peer-reviewed evidence

00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.696
has been presented? Um you we were asked

00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:37.720
to come to the fetching.  there was a

00:51:38.319 --> 00:51:41.095
community consultation organized for us

00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.119
as a community some weeks ago and we

00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:46.616
presented a very large document to all

00:51:46.640 --> 00:51:48.936
the counselors at the time giving

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.496
enormous amounts of um scientific

00:51:51.520 --> 00:51:54.520
references that showed how these Murrayne

00:51:55.839 --> 00:51:58.839
sanctuaries are impacted by dogs.

00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:02.040
There's international, local, council,

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.176
Australia basedwide evidence and we put

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.176
forward another submission to the

00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:10.200
counselors which reference those points.

00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.856
So there's a lot of scientific evidence

00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.456
to suggest that that happens.

00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.456
Thank you. Any further questions? I got

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.216
one from councelor Macintosh. Please go

00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:20.055
ahead.

00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.815
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  thank you, Mrs.

00:52:21.839 --> 00:52:23.896
Fitzgerald, for your presentation. Um,

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.896
in response to councelor Taylor Haynes

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.696
request for specific evidence around ,

00:52:28.720 --> 00:52:31.575
dog impacts at Rickettt's Point, do we

00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.416
actually have any evidence that

00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.440
migratory and shorebirds are not or have

00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:39.640
not been adversely impacted? So the the

00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.760
converse of that request

00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.496
we have not I believe that Parks

00:52:45.520 --> 00:52:47.416
Victoria have enormous amounts of

00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.055
evidence on the impact and I know Birds

00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.936
Australia and the local conservation

00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.960
groups have also got evidence,

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.976
scientific evidence to show that they

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.000
would be impacted by dogs.

00:53:01.680 --> 00:53:03.095
Thank you. I believe we got a question

00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.936
from Council Lee. Do you mind standing

00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:05.416
up?

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.216
Yes. Thank you. Um I'm wondering given

00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:10.295
given the fact that there will be there

00:53:10.319 --> 00:53:13.319
are foxes in that area. What um actions

00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.416
have been taken by anybody to actually

00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.335
remove the foxes because or you know

00:53:17.359 --> 00:53:19.815
poison them because I suspect they would

00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:21.656
have a significant impact on the the

00:53:21.680 --> 00:53:23.815
birds eggs and all that sort of stuff.

00:53:23.839 --> 00:53:25.095
Can you give us some information?

00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.119
I'm sure that people and foxes and dogs

00:53:30.640 --> 00:53:32.856
have an impact on the Murrayne environment

00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.016
at Rickerts Point Murrayne Sanctuary. I

00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:37.176
know that a few years ago, I believe

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:39.416
that they did actually hire someone to

00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.815
try and kill the foxes in the area.

00:53:41.839 --> 00:53:44.776
Coxes, foxes are very cunning and very

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.095
good at hiding and apparently they were

00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.416
not successful. But I do believe that we

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.440
as a community statewide should actually

00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:56.200
have more provisions in place to stop

00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.656
these feral animals from having an

00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:01.656
impact on our indigenous flora and

00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:02.696
fauna.

00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:04.136
Thank you. Do we have any further

00:54:04.160 --> 00:54:06.055
question counselors?

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.896
 you can take your seat. Thank you.

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.776
Thank you.

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.575
I'm calling on Mr. Hakan Dalal please to

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:13.815
come forward and on behalf of Gold

00:54:13.839 --> 00:54:16.839
League Victoria.

00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.960
Thank you.

00:54:21.839 --> 00:54:23.976
Thanks councilors Mayor. Just an

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.575
amendment to that. I represented Ghoul

00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.256
League Victoria in the fishing feedback

00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.496
sessions with regard to edgingation

00:54:29.520 --> 00:54:31.256
programs we manage down at Ricketts

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.176
Point. Specifically, the position there

00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:35.176
was they were happy to see dogs  on

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:37.176
leash that had no other requests with

00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:38.616
regard to limiting dogs from the

00:54:38.640 --> 00:54:40.616
sanctuary. But I was also representing a

00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:43.640
community group a petition  around

00:54:43.680 --> 00:54:45.896
quiet corner and  Rick's Point North

00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.815
Beach and it's that position that I'm

00:54:47.839 --> 00:54:49.736
presenting today. It's a position of

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.575
compromise. We're actually happy with

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.496
the existing regulations.

00:54:53.520 --> 00:54:53.976
Thank you.

00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.575
Just read to you what that position

00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:56.535
means.

00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.055
You can start when you're ready.

00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:59.976
Thank you. So these are the things we

00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.055
know about quiet corner. Protected

00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:03.976
coastal habitats like seaggrass, mud

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.896
flats, intertital reefs offering vital

00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.696
refuge for seabirds, Murrayne wildlife.

00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:10.295
But they're more vulnerable due to their

00:55:10.319 --> 00:55:12.535
access accessibility at low tide at

00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.136
quiet corner than they are at Rickert's

00:55:14.160 --> 00:55:16.376
Point. If dogs are off leash, they

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.295
regularly observe disturbing birds at

00:55:18.319 --> 00:55:20.136
quiet cornerly because they're so easily

00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:22.456
accessible. The area is recognized for

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.936
its mixed public use. Visitors observe

00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:26.936
nature. Families spend time together.

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.095
People picnic. Children play, people

00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.496
walk, sightseeing, relax by the coast.

00:55:31.520 --> 00:55:33.575
Quiet corner is is noted on platforms

00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.335
such as Parks Victoria, tourist

00:55:35.359 --> 00:55:37.496
websites, and family recreation websites

00:55:37.520 --> 00:55:39.176
as a place to visit for family

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:41.815
recreation. Visitation remains high

00:55:41.839 --> 00:55:44.295
during April and October. Um, but it's a

00:55:44.319 --> 00:55:46.295
different style of visitation. ,

00:55:46.319 --> 00:55:47.896
visitors tend to traverse the entire

00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.656
area across the full day, especially

00:55:49.680 --> 00:55:51.976
weekends. I've provided evidence to this

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.775
effect previously. Dogs are naturally

00:55:54.799 --> 00:55:56.216
curious, so interactions can be

00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:58.055
unpredictable and off leash interactions

00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.496
can unsettle people, especially

00:55:59.520 --> 00:56:02.136
children, even with some potential harm.

00:56:02.160 --> 00:56:03.176
Counselors, how do these

00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:05.016
vulnerabilities, both environmental and

00:56:05.040 --> 00:56:06.696
social, fit with the said goal of

00:56:06.720 --> 00:56:09.720
respectful and safe shared spaces? We're

00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:11.575
talking about extending an existing off

00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.535
leash area for about 150 m to cover the

00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.416
area at cover that quiet corner. Um, a

00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.016
distance a dog can run in about 6

00:56:19.040 --> 00:56:20.775
seconds and a person can walk in about a

00:56:20.799 --> 00:56:22.936
minute. It's negligible addition but

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.176
it's a substantial space in terms of its

00:56:25.200 --> 00:56:27.736
use by the public as a recreation area a

00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.136
mixed public recreation area. The

00:56:30.160 --> 00:56:31.976
current regulations at Quiet Corner have

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.295
for 20 years and still do achieve your

00:56:34.319 --> 00:56:37.319
goal of sharing spaces respectfully and

00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:40.520
in a safe manner.

00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:42.775
Thank you so much. Do we have any

00:56:42.799 --> 00:56:44.376
questions to the speaker? Councelor

00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.016
Hockley, please go ahead. Hakan, thanks

00:56:47.040 --> 00:56:49.815
very much um for your

00:56:49.839 --> 00:56:51.736
unusual and I think probably unexpected

00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.896
view given um your experience around the

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:55.496
area and the fact that you run the

00:56:55.520 --> 00:56:57.416
nature education center. Is that right?

00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.416
I do. Yeah, I take Murrayne education

00:56:59.440 --> 00:56:59.976
program.

00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.136
How degraded do you believe Rickett's

00:57:02.160 --> 00:57:04.936
point is from what it might have been

00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.856
150 years ago when the Beron people were

00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:07.095
there?

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:08.936
I can tell you that the improvements

00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:10.775
have occurred since the existence of the

00:57:10.799 --> 00:57:12.616
sanctuary. I undertake sea search

00:57:12.640 --> 00:57:14.216
programs which is an intertital

00:57:14.240 --> 00:57:15.976
monitoring program that parks Victoria

00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.256
set up as part of their community

00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.335
engagement. I did that with Murrayne care.

00:57:19.359 --> 00:57:20.856
I was a founding member of Murrayne care

00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.016
although I'm no longer with them. I also

00:57:23.040 --> 00:57:24.856
undertake these monitoring exercises

00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.880
with schools during my um  programs

00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:30.535
there. We conduct these across the

00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.696
sanctuary and what we've seen is an

00:57:32.720 --> 00:57:35.256
increase in biodiversity in these in the

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.280
intertital habitats. Um there's only

00:57:38.319 --> 00:57:40.216
unfortunately anecdotal evidence

00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:42.295
provided with regard to the increases in

00:57:42.319 --> 00:57:43.976
biodiversity around fish and bird

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.896
species, but I believe there's probably

00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.456
better evidence provided by VS Victoria,

00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.216
which I haven't seen, but I would

00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:52.216
imagine that it would be there. So, the

00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:53.896
impacts of the sanctuary being in place

00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.616
are significant for sure. Yeah.

00:57:56.640 --> 00:57:57.976
Thank you. Do we have any further

00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.295
questions? Councelor Lee, do you mind

00:58:00.319 --> 00:58:01.176
standing up, please?

00:58:01.200 --> 00:58:04.200
Yep. Thanks. Um, I'm just wondering, the

00:58:04.319 --> 00:58:05.815
question was asked before, do you think

00:58:05.839 --> 00:58:08.216
given young children actually do disturb

00:58:08.240 --> 00:58:09.736
the nesting of the birds, do you think

00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.760
young children should be removed?

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.760
No, I don't. Um, because I see dogs more

00:58:17.040 --> 00:58:19.416
often disturbing them than children.

00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:20.136
Thank you.

00:58:20.160 --> 00:58:22.295
Yeah. Do you have any further questions,

00:58:22.319 --> 00:58:24.216
counselors?

00:58:24.240 --> 00:58:26.535
Thank you, Mr. Dal. You may take your

00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.696
seat. And I'm calling on Mr. Markle to

00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:31.720
come forward, please.

00:58:38.640 --> 00:58:40.775
Okay, ready. Let's go ahead.

00:58:40.799 --> 00:58:41.976
Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor and

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.616
counselors. I'm fully supportive of the

00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:46.376
proposals to improve signage and

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:47.736
particularly on the objectives to

00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.456
improve education enforcement. We want

00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.856
regulations to work. They must be

00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:54.696
visible, understood, and applied

00:58:54.720 --> 00:58:57.575
consistently. Right now, gaps in signage

00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.496
mean even well-intentioned residents and

00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:01.496
visitors can be unaware of the rules,

00:59:01.520 --> 00:59:03.256
while patchy enforcement sends the

00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.216
message that compliance is optional.

00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.295
Strategic high visibility signage at all

00:59:08.319 --> 00:59:10.696
key access points coupled with fair but

00:59:10.720 --> 00:59:13.256
firm refor enforcement from both council

00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.335
and parks Victoria will improve

00:59:15.359 --> 00:59:17.815
compliance and reduce conflict. The same

00:59:17.839 --> 00:59:19.656
principle we apply successfully in road

00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:22.136
safety and waste management.

00:59:22.160 --> 00:59:23.656
In this discussion, claims have been

00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:25.496
made about dogs being a significant

00:59:25.520 --> 00:59:27.736
environment threat to Ricketts Point

00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.456
Murrayne Sanctuary. The evidence doesn't

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.856
support this broad generalization.

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.335
Potential damage to seagrasses has been

00:59:35.359 --> 00:59:38.359
cited.  that's a photo that I took

00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.480
today. Now, if you look there, the

00:59:41.839 --> 00:59:44.696
seagrasses that may be there are a long

00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:46.456
way offshore. And I can tell you they're

00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:48.456
a long way away from doggy's feet being

00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.480
able to reach, but certainly human feet

00:59:51.520 --> 00:59:53.095
can.

00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.095
So they grow a long way from the shore

00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:56.456
and they're only at risk from human

00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:58.295
trampling and certainly not dogs who

00:59:58.319 --> 00:59:59.976
typically stay within a few meters of

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.936
the shoreline. Scientificific monitoring

01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:04.616
in comparable areas shows that

01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:07.256
responsible dog walking is negligible in

01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.095
impact on June and intertital rock

01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:11.815
stability, bird nesting or water

01:00:11.839 --> 01:00:13.896
quality, particularly compared to major

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.896
documented stresses such as storm water

01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:18.696
pollution, litter, habitat loss, feral

01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:21.256
cats, foxes, human recreational activity

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.335
and infrastructure. Blaming dogs

01:00:23.359 --> 01:00:24.856
distracts from these far greater

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.936
threats, many of which require council

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.095
level intervention. The regulations

01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:30.936
currently in place already prohibit dogs

01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:32.775
from sensitive areas such as intertital

01:00:32.799 --> 01:00:34.856
rock shelves and so further regulation

01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.256
will have no additional effect. Our goal

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.176
should be proportionate evidence-based

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:41.575
policy, target the real risk with real

01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.055
solutions, ensure all users know the

01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:45.976
rules and make sure those rules are

01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.696
enforceable. Better signage enforcement

01:00:48.720 --> 01:00:50.456
will serve every resident and protect

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.295
our shared spaces without leaning on

01:00:52.319 --> 01:00:54.295
myths that divide our community instead

01:00:54.319 --> 01:00:55.976
of uniting it around genuine

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.575
environmental stewardship. Thank you,

01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.599
Mr. CL.

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:03.656
Do

01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:05.095
you have any questions for speaker?

01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:06.616
Council at the lines.

01:01:06.640 --> 01:01:09.176
Thank you, Mr. Clare. Many elderly

01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:12.136
residents walk their dogs um to Watkins

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:14.696
Bay and they've now said to to get to

01:01:14.720 --> 01:01:17.016
the northern end, they would need to put

01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:19.016
their dog in the car. That's if they can

01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:21.496
lift  larger dogs into the boot of the

01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:24.136
car. and that  driving up to the yacht

01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:26.936
club end of Ricketts Point um in the

01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.256
summer it's it's impossible to get a

01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:31.575
park there because of the divers and 

01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:33.815
those there for recreational needs with

01:01:33.839 --> 01:01:36.376
stand up paddles and so forth. Where do

01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.400
you suggest driving to? Is it out of the

01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:42.376
municipality? Is it down to Menone or is

01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.295
it all the way up to Dendi Beach? Where

01:01:44.319 --> 01:01:46.936
should  those elderly residents with

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.176
larger dogs exercise them?

01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:51.016
Yeah, you you're quite correct. in some

01:01:51.040 --> 01:01:53.416
of the at at that particular area the

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.976
parking is impossible.  if you unless

01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.256
you're there very very early in the

01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:58.616
morning there is just no parking

01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:00.936
available there whatsoever. So I think

01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.775
it was actually suggested at the May

01:02:02.799 --> 01:02:04.775
meeting that the that we could just

01:02:04.799 --> 01:02:07.256
drive to Dendi Park to to exercise our

01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.055
dogs. Now, um it just brought to mind

01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:11.736
that bearing that the council has

01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.456
declared the climate emergency, um I've

01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.936
done a quick calculation and the average

01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:19.335
car would produce 1 and a2 tons of

01:02:19.359 --> 01:02:22.359
carbon dioxide per year to drive to the

01:02:23.040 --> 01:02:25.896
park per dog.

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.456
So, if we're worried about real threats

01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:29.736
to the environment, I think that's

01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.416
probably a bigger threat than the dog

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:32.936
walking on a beach.

01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.016
Thank you, Mr. Clear. Any further

01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:37.335
questions?

01:02:37.359 --> 01:02:39.416
Councelor Macintosh, please go ahead.

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.016
Thank you. This may be more of a

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:42.696
question for the officers, but we have

01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:44.696
had varying commentary and information

01:02:44.720 --> 01:02:47.256
around the location of Murrayne seaggrass

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.736
beds. So, I I note that you have taken a

01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:51.496
lovely photo, thank you for that, of the

01:02:51.520 --> 01:02:54.376
the  seaggrass in this respect, but

01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.055
can we have some clarification around

01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.535
the location of these seaggrass beds? I

01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.696
understand that they can also grow very

01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:02.216
close to the shore.

01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:05.095
Miss Coulson, is that a question to you

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.095
or

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.656
Can I am I able to comment on that or

01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:11.335
Well, I think the photograph clearly

01:03:11.359 --> 01:03:11.815
shows

01:03:11.839 --> 01:03:13.815
Miss Mulligan I believe got an answer. I

01:03:13.839 --> 01:03:15.976
would just let the officers answer this

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:16.775
one.

01:03:16.799 --> 01:03:18.856
Through you Mayor and there is a

01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:20.696
attached map and it specifically

01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:22.696
outlines where the seaggrass beds in the

01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:25.720
report that's more clarity.

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:27.896
Thank you councelor Hley. You got a

01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.575
question to the speaker or officers?

01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:30.616
 the speaker

01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:32.856
please go ahead. Um Mark, you and I have

01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.936
um shared a couple of emails and I think

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.736
you know what my  my broad views are.

01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.815
Um

01:03:39.839 --> 01:03:41.976
you can talk all you like about um

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.000
climate impacts and um it is a bit of a

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.216
cheap giveaway because in some ways

01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:50.535
nobody's talking about Hyatt or Brighton

01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.055
East or Hampton East. We don't have a

01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.079
foreshore. Where do we walk our dogs?

01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.456
Well, that's right. And I guess you know

01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.216
the the more areas that's why we need to

01:04:00.240 --> 01:04:02.216
make as many areas available as possible

01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:04.535
because they're being slowly reduced.

01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:07.416
The population is growing. So we need to

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.736
be increasing the areas for for dog

01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:11.815
walking both on and off lead  rather

01:04:11.839 --> 01:04:13.575
than reducing them which is what we're

01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.216
gradually seeing now because  while I

01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:17.896
know they haven't technically reduced

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.920
the the dog parks in the area um taking

01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:23.736
gates off off ovals basically makes them

01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.376
unusable for most people. So there's a

01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:27.815
lot of parks I won't take the dog to

01:04:27.839 --> 01:04:28.856
because there's no gates.

01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.136
Thank you, Mr. Clair. I believe

01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:31.976
councelor Lee and then councelor Erlic.

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.416
So councelor Lee first.

01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.736
Yes. Um given foxes are off leash off

01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:37.736
leashes. I'm wondering if you're aware

01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.136
of the damage that the foxes would do in

01:04:40.160 --> 01:04:42.136
that area to the bird life.

01:04:42.160 --> 01:04:44.136
Look, not being an expert in this, but

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:45.976
we've certainly and my wife will attest

01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:47.976
to this  who who also we've been

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.055
walking on these beaches for 27 years by

01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:51.736
the way, so we've seen a lot that's gone

01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.535
on. We see evidence of a lot of birds

01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:56.376
that have been killed just lying dead on

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.335
the pathways. Now whether it's cats or

01:04:59.359 --> 01:05:00.936
whether it's foxes, I really couldn't

01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:02.775
say. Probably a lot of it would be would

01:05:02.799 --> 01:05:05.256
be cats, both domestic and and feral,

01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:06.775
but certainly we've seen a lot of dead

01:05:06.799 --> 01:05:08.616
birds and and last time I checked, dogs

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:10.376
can't climb trees.

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.696
Thank you, Mr. Clear. I believe

01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:14.456
councelor, you got a question. Please go

01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:15.015
ahead.

01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.416
Oh, thanks, Mr. Cle. That was a

01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.896
compelling  presentation. Now, you've

01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.616
been advocating for better  signage

01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:24.616
and enforcement, which I think shows a

01:05:24.640 --> 01:05:26.696
real commitment to a practical solution.

01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:28.535
Could you just tell us what would you

01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.176
envisage or a vision moving forward for

01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:32.295
that?

01:05:32.319 --> 01:05:33.976
Well, I think probably the simplest

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.055
thing, the rule the because there are

01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:37.736
different regulations at different times

01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:39.496
of the year in different beaches. I

01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:41.496
think the the signage perhaps needs to

01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:44.520
be seasonal. So for instance, in summer

01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.216
as you're walking down the steps to go

01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:48.136
on to Delgetti Beach, there would be

01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.616
just a simply a sign that says no dogs

01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:52.936
allowed on beach between certain hours,

01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:54.775
off leash between other hours or on

01:05:54.799 --> 01:05:56.535
leash, whatever it might be. And then

01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.295
you change the sign. So when it comes to

01:05:58.319 --> 01:06:00.696
winter time, if it's if it's an off

01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:03.416
leash beach or or winter, you have to

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.295
say signs, you know, and you maybe

01:06:06.319 --> 01:06:07.976
designate the area, say, okay, from here

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.000
to the  life-saving club is off leash

01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.256
simply, and also then other reminders

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:16.856
about what dogs can't do, that they

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:19.575
can't go on the rocks, etc., etc., etc.

01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.496
Thank you, Mr. Clair. I believe council

01:06:21.520 --> 01:06:23.256
league got a further question. Please go

01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.055
ahead.

01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:26.216
Yes. I'm wondering, do you ever see

01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:29.015
enforcement officers down there at all?

01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.039
Very, very rarely. Very, very rarely. I

01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:33.976
I don't think I've ever seen anybody

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.456
park Victoria there. Um, we see the

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.136
occasional fishery officer down there

01:06:38.160 --> 01:06:39.736
that's that's obviously concerned with

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.760
with people catching um undersized fish

01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:45.416
and that sort of thing, but no, we

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:46.775
rarely see anybody down there. We

01:06:46.799 --> 01:06:48.616
certainly report lots of things to

01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:50.376
fisheries. We particularly in the winter

01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:51.736
time, we're the only ones down on those

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.496
beaches walking our dogs and we see a

01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:54.936
lot of illegal fishing which gets

01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.960
reported. Um, and my wife's a member of

01:06:58.160 --> 01:07:00.055
I might just add, my wife's a a member

01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.535
of the Bayside Litter Group. , she

01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.496
picks up approximately 30 bags of litter

01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:08.216
from that one particular beach per year.

01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:10.216
I can honestly say probably the cleanest

01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:11.416
beach you'll ever see in the whole of

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.256
Bayside. It's

01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.256
Thank you, Mr. Claire and thanks to your

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.280
wife for her good work. Counselors 

01:07:19.350 --> 01:07:22.350
[Applause]

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:24.856
 council Murray, you got a question or

01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.416
you're good? Okay. Maybe we'll call on

01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.440
the next  speaker, Mr. Claire. You can

01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.335
take um your seat. And I'll call on Mr.

01:07:33.359 --> 01:07:35.416
Lindseay Ingram, please, to call to come

01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.440
forward.

01:07:49.359 --> 01:07:51.176
Thank you, Mayor. Just before I start,

01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:54.200
um, councelor Taylor Haynes, um, I'm a

01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.335
bit flattered about this,

01:07:57.359 --> 01:08:00.055
I'm 84 years old and live in B Morris in

01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.079
the family house built in 1956

01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:07.575
and , starting now. I support the

01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:09.656
council's positionary the dogs off leash

01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.575
area specifically the foreshore area

01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.176
from the disabled ramp to McGregor

01:08:13.200 --> 01:08:16.135
Avenue. My family have walked our spring

01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:17.416
and spananiels on that section of

01:08:17.440 --> 01:08:20.376
foreshore for the last 70 years and

01:08:20.400 --> 01:08:22.376
regard the relevant regulations as a

01:08:22.400 --> 01:08:24.456
good example of a compromise to benefit

01:08:24.480 --> 01:08:27.175
all users. That is the system actually

01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.896
works very well. The establishment of

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:31.335
the Murrayne park has made little

01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.416
difference to my own personal activities

01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:34.936
and I'm not a member of any dog

01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.576
organization. I must say the major

01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:39.096
problems in the Murrayne park in this

01:08:39.120 --> 01:08:41.096
specific location are human trampling of

01:08:41.120 --> 01:08:43.175
the rock jetties, illegal fishing,

01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:45.016
illegal shellfish collecting which are

01:08:45.040 --> 01:08:46.936
the responsibility of Parks Victoria and

01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.096
the fishing authority obviously both of

01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:51.815
which are severely underresourced.

01:08:51.839 --> 01:08:53.735
The main observable change is the

01:08:53.759 --> 01:08:55.576
increased number of dog owners and

01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.135
walkers, but most importantly the

01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.536
environmental responsibility shown by

01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.335
these people. Almost every dog walker

01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:04.695
collects their dog droppings and

01:09:04.719 --> 01:09:06.536
deposits them in the bins provided by

01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.416
the council. 30 years ago, although

01:09:09.440 --> 01:09:11.335
fewer in number, dog walkers were less

01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:13.096
concerned about dog droppings littering

01:09:13.120 --> 01:09:15.655
the nature strips and foreshore.

01:09:15.679 --> 01:09:17.815
Increased environmental awareness,

01:09:17.839 --> 01:09:19.735
education, and council initiatives such

01:09:19.759 --> 01:09:22.056
as signage, bins, and supply of free dog

01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:24.135
per bags have all contributed to an

01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:27.159
improved situation. It is also common to

01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.335
see dog walkers politely offer a per bag

01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.175
to others if a dog is seen to defecate

01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:33.976
without being noticed by its owner. A

01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.576
few early morning and late evening

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:37.335
joggers still do not pick up their dog

01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:38.856
droppings, but more or different

01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.880
regulations will not solve that problem.

01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:44.295
Sometimes during a warm summer weekend,

01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.376
I see unruly dogs, often in the company

01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:49.255
of matcho men, causing anxiety to other

01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.416
dogs and their owners. But while that is

01:09:51.440 --> 01:09:53.815
a matter for council, it is common to

01:09:53.839 --> 01:09:55.736
all off leash areas and usually does not

01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:57.576
impinge on the Murrayne environment at

01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.600
all.

01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.096
In conclusion, the very few problems

01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:04.695
associated with the interface between

01:10:04.719 --> 01:10:06.376
the foreshore and the Murrayne park can

01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:09.256
really only be reduced or eliminated by

01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.016
increased patrols by the three

01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:13.016
responsible authorities, particularly

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:15.576
during summer weekends. And I appreciate

01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.896
that at least this council intends to do

01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:18.536
so.

01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.560
Thank you.

01:10:23.250 --> 01:10:24.695
[Applause]

01:10:24.719 --> 01:10:26.296
Do you have any questions, Mr. Speaker?

01:10:26.320 --> 01:10:27.736
Councelor Lines, please.

01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.976
Thank you, Mr. Ingram. Um, I'm glad you

01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.736
enjoyed that bit of the beach between

01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.376
the yacht club and McGregor Avenue that

01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:37.400
was also earmarked to become an unleash

01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:39.736
only beach initially.

01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.760
Yes. Yes. I was present um in 2005 when

01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.520
Alan Robertson um who was um obviously

01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:48.776
the CEO of the board of works at the

01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.256
time gave a very detailed presentation

01:10:51.280 --> 01:10:53.496
about the birds and so on. I don't see

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.576
any reason to change his evidence that

01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.976
he produced which clearly refuted a lot

01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.655
of the park's evidence about birds

01:10:59.679 --> 01:11:01.576
nesting and birds resting and so on.

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.215
And I regularly have foxes in in my

01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.296
street only one block back from the

01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:07.896
beach. Every couple of months I see

01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:08.456
that.

01:11:08.480 --> 01:11:11.480
Yes. Yeah. So yes, I I can't the the

01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:14.456
yach club appears I was a member of the

01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:17.175
yach club when I was 14 years of age and

01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.199
and it appears that not now obviously

01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:24.360
but the um it appears to me the yach

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.376
club are reasonably happy with the

01:11:26.400 --> 01:11:27.896
present situation.

01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:29.816
I can't see any any real problem there

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:30.456
at all.

01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:32.536
Thank you Mr. Ingram. I actually have a

01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.135
um question for the officers.

01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.936
Please go ahead. Um we talk about we've

01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.576
spoken about lots of poo, dogs poo. Um

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.600
reportedly there's no um bin the bag

01:11:43.440 --> 01:11:46.296
dispensers in Watkins Bay. Is is that

01:11:46.320 --> 01:11:47.896
true? And why is that the case? We've

01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:50.920
got three bins but no dispensers.

01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:53.416
Miss Coulson

01:11:53.440 --> 01:11:54.936
 through chair. We do have two

01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:56.695
dispensers only down at Rick's point but

01:11:56.719 --> 01:11:58.056
possibly not at that area. We're happy

01:11:58.080 --> 01:12:01.080
to look into why there's no bid.

01:12:01.360 --> 01:12:02.616
Thank you. Do we have any further

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.640
questions to Mr. Ingram, please.

01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:07.576
Thank you, Mr. Ingram. You may take your

01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:08.056
seat.

01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:08.936
Thank you.

01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:11.960
And I'm calling on Miss Pauline.

01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.336
Calling on Miss Pauline Reynolds to come

01:12:17.360 --> 01:12:19.736
forward, who I must acknowledge is the

01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.215
former Mayor of the city of Sandingham

01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:25.236
Council. Mr. Reynolds.

01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:28.260
[Applause]

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.175
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I didn't need

01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.776
that, I don't think. But thank you

01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.695
anyway.

01:12:34.719 --> 01:12:37.719
Um, thank you. There's a few slides that

01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:39.256
I um supplied.

01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:40.776
Just give us a second and we'll have

01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:42.296
them on the screen for you.

01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:44.215
I can show you some seaggrass that you

01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.776
could actually walk on close to the

01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:48.056
microphone.

01:12:48.080 --> 01:12:50.056
Can you hear me now?

01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:52.215
Cool.

01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:55.239
Here we are. And we'll just scroll

01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:56.776
through them as you speak.

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:57.816
Yes, please.

01:12:57.840 --> 01:12:59.016
Please, when you're ready.

01:12:59.040 --> 01:13:01.416
Thank you. I registered to speak in

01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:03.416
favor of the office's recommendation

01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:05.896
tonight, aware that it was a compromise

01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.976
and was not privy till this morning of

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.135
the contents of the parks Victoria

01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.159
report and still not to the attachments.

01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:15.736
My absolute concern is to protect the

01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.456
whole Murrayne sanctuary with all the wild

01:13:18.480 --> 01:13:21.480
wildlife it supports. I now think that

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.096
the matter of the domestic animal

01:13:23.120 --> 01:13:25.256
management plan should go back to

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:26.936
council offices for further

01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:29.655
consideration and the best department to

01:13:29.679 --> 01:13:32.536
do that is open space and environment

01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.376
because local laws with the best of

01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:36.616
intention in the world don't have the

01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.640
expertise to deal with the nuances of

01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:42.695
management of a Murrayne sanctuary. Of

01:13:42.719 --> 01:13:44.616
course, both departments must work

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.616
together and there should be further

01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.640
public consultation and most importantly

01:13:50.320 --> 01:13:53.320
consultation with Parks Vic. Pets are

01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:55.896
very important to their owners and many

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.376
owners are responsible people. But the

01:13:58.400 --> 01:14:00.135
very place they're demanding to have

01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.936
freedom to take their dogs off leash at

01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.496
any time is in danger of being loved to

01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.376
death from overuse. Yes, people are

01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:10.776
responsible too for terrible damage to

01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.800
our world with or without dogs. But dogs

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.215
can be controlled with supervision.

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.296
Unfortunately, people can only be

01:14:18.320 --> 01:14:21.320
persuaded and hopefully educated. The

01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.896
signage must be improved and made

01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.376
simpler. There should be an ability to p

01:14:26.400 --> 01:14:29.175
place temporary fencing when necessary

01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.576
to protect the migratory birds and seals

01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.215
and other creatures. easy to use

01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.016
interpretive signage and better broad

01:14:37.040 --> 01:14:39.096
information and communication with

01:14:39.120 --> 01:14:41.816
visiting educational facilities for both

01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:44.840
students and staff. Bayside Council has

01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:47.336
a duty of care to look after Ricketts

01:14:47.360 --> 01:14:50.360
Point and the Murrayne sanctuary now and

01:14:50.719 --> 01:14:53.719
for the future. It's not just for now

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.840
for dogs and people to overuse.

01:14:57.040 --> 01:14:59.896
The natural world must come first. It's

01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:02.056
our heritage and we're in danger of

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:04.616
losing it. Do we want to leave this

01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.640
beautiful place ruined as our legacy?

01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:08.856
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.880
Thank you. And just on time.

01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.215
Councilors, do we have any questions to

01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.239
Miss Reynolds? Councelor Lee, please go

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:18.776
ahead.

01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:21.336
Um, yeah, Miss Reynolds, um, I'm

01:15:21.360 --> 01:15:23.736
wondering that given foxes are off off

01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:25.896
lease, no leases. Yeah, we

01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.056
I wonder what damage do you are you

01:15:28.080 --> 01:15:30.376
aware of that are there a large amount

01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:31.896
of fox in that area like everywhere

01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:32.296
else?

01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:35.016
I don't know. I would expect so there is

01:15:35.040 --> 01:15:37.816
a permanent person called with Matt

01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:40.376
Hutchkins who's employed by citywide

01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:43.400
who's our regular fox um what is it

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.239
called? Vermin vermin person um and lays

01:15:47.679 --> 01:15:49.416
traps and so on and so forth throughout

01:15:49.440 --> 01:15:51.496
the whole of the city of Bayside. I

01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:53.416
don't know how successful he is in

01:15:53.440 --> 01:15:55.256
Ricketts Point. Thank you. Further

01:15:55.280 --> 01:15:56.776
question, councelor Lee and then we got

01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:57.976
a question from

01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.976
Did he ever tell you how many acts?

01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.576
No, no, sorry. I could have asked him,

01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:02.296
didn't he think?

01:16:02.320 --> 01:16:03.896
Oh, okay. Thanks.

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.856
Councelor Macintosh, please go ahead.

01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:08.776
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, firstly,

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:10.616
councel Lee, if you're to move that

01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:12.536
foxes should always be on lead. Happy to

01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.560
support that.

01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.376
Um,

01:16:18.400 --> 01:16:21.400
thank you. Um, Pauline, just my repeat

01:16:22.400 --> 01:16:24.936
query from previously, the seaggrass.

01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:26.536
Are you aware of some of the locations

01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.456
of seaggrass? And I guess my

01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:30.135
We saw them in the pictures.

01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.616
That's right. It is sometimes very close

01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.096
to shore and particularly at  times of

01:16:35.120 --> 01:16:37.576
low tide, it is certainly exposed.

01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.600
Yes. And small. And the the um  little

01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:45.320
birds do fick around through it. Um, and

01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.135
by by feeding upon it and feeding upon

01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:49.816
the creatures that are in amongst the

01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.840
the  seaggrass, they do airate the

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.096
sand. So, you'll see in some of those

01:16:55.120 --> 01:16:58.120
pictures of the of the  shailed

01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.960
sandpipers, that's a big word to say.

01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.296
Um, with their with their little beaks

01:17:04.320 --> 01:17:07.320
right up to the end in the sand. Um,

01:17:08.400 --> 01:17:10.776
that's a royal spoon. The spoon bill.

01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.800
That's that's that is in fact

01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.199
a seagrass that he's walking on. And

01:17:18.400 --> 01:17:20.776
there again, a white-faced heron walking

01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:23.576
on seaggrass.

01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:25.416
Um

01:17:25.440 --> 01:17:28.440
and there are the little birds.

01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:31.496
And there's one look right up to his

01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.520
eyeballs almost in the seagrass.

01:17:34.719 --> 01:17:36.776
Thank you, Miss Reynolds. Any further

01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:38.296
questions? Councelor Hockley, please go

01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:38.695
ahead.

01:17:38.719 --> 01:17:41.256
 thanks. Um, and Pauline, first of

01:17:41.280 --> 01:17:42.536
all, thank you for everything that you

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:44.135
do and for everything that you have done

01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.056
for the city of Bayside over the last 40

01:17:46.080 --> 01:17:46.376
years.

01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:47.256
You're too kind.

01:17:47.280 --> 01:17:47.816
No,

01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.456
I do it because I care. Councelor Hley,

01:17:50.480 --> 01:17:52.616
I don't want to be here tonight. It's

01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.695
too hard.

01:17:54.719 --> 01:17:55.496
Well, and I think

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.336
especially with enemies in the back who

01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:59.336
don't who who want their dogs and hate

01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:00.695
me. I can feel

01:18:00.719 --> 01:18:02.215
enemies. We're all friends here, but

01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:03.976
we'll listen to the question.

01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.736
I know. I know.

01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:07.256
And it's it's interesting that we may be

01:18:07.280 --> 01:18:08.695
able to reach some sort of historic

01:18:08.719 --> 01:18:10.215
compromise tonight or at least see each

01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.056
other's point. I hope so. One of the

01:18:12.080 --> 01:18:14.456
things I'm interested to understand um

01:18:14.480 --> 01:18:16.056
well, first of all, these are all your

01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:17.496
photos, too, aren't they? Yeah,

01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.576
you took every one of them, which is a

01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.135
tribute to your um energy and dedication

01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:25.159
at all hours of the day and night. Um,

01:18:25.280 --> 01:18:27.256
what

01:18:27.280 --> 01:18:29.496
what's the one thing that you would do

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.520
right now to change or improve

01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:35.655
awareness of just how precious this

01:18:35.679 --> 01:18:37.336
resource is? Because that's what you

01:18:37.360 --> 01:18:40.360
believe, isn't it?

01:18:40.480 --> 01:18:42.856
Well, David Atenburgh has been trying to

01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.256
do it for years, hasn't he? It's a very

01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:48.280
difficult thing. I I okay looking at

01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:51.736
that photograph with all the sharp tail

01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:54.760
sandpipers and the two pelicans

01:18:55.120 --> 01:18:57.175
and knowing that those little B birds

01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:59.655
that are flying over the sea at the back

01:18:59.679 --> 01:19:01.896
have come all the way from Alaska or

01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.920
Siberia. They come every year here to

01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:08.360
feed. We've got this Murrayne sanctuary,

01:19:08.719 --> 01:19:11.256
one of three in Port Philip Bay and I

01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:14.280
think 10 in Australia that they come to

01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.856
and we can shelter

01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.880
and feed them and get them on their way.

01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.416
I would love everybody to be able to see

01:19:23.440 --> 01:19:26.215
through my eyes. That's a bit bit

01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:27.256
pretentious.

01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:29.896
Thank And and also I wonder if those

01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:32.920
little birds were penguins or maybe

01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.760
puffins, a really swanky type of bird,

01:19:37.280 --> 01:19:39.736
an iconic bird, instead of those

01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.760
gorgeous little tiny birds, exquisitly

01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:46.120
marked but not really appreciated. I

01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:48.776
wonder if it would be different. I I

01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.175
would hope I hope it wouldn't be but but

01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.256
but maybe it would.

01:19:53.280 --> 01:19:55.256
Thank you, Miss Reynolds. Any further

01:19:55.280 --> 01:19:57.655
questions? Thank you, councelor Tyler

01:19:57.679 --> 01:19:59.256
Haynes, and then councelor Michael.

01:19:59.280 --> 01:20:02.280
Thank you, Miss Reynolds. Um,

01:20:03.440 --> 01:20:06.440
so, so one question or one argument

01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.695
really that people would put back to you

01:20:08.719 --> 01:20:11.256
is that, um, the proposed changes will

01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:14.056
not change the behavior of wrongdo

01:20:14.080 --> 01:20:16.376
doers, including humans, walking all

01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:18.776
over those correct platforms. At the

01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:20.376
moment, a lot of those photos of the

01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:22.856
intertidal rocks dogs are prohibited

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.016
from. So, if they're on there, they

01:20:25.040 --> 01:20:27.416
shouldn't be, but humans are also on

01:20:27.440 --> 01:20:30.440
those rocks. So, so how would you answer

01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:32.376
that? That the argument that the

01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:34.936
proposed changes will not change the

01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:37.416
behavior of wrongdoers, therefore do

01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:39.896
nothing to enhance  the protection of

01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:41.256
the environment.

01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:44.280
Sorry, I interrupted. I tried to talk

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.560
about that in this very brief twominut.

01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.000
um piece that we're allowed to give. Um

01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:54.296
I can't change human behavior sadly.

01:20:54.320 --> 01:20:56.215
Perhaps that's the one thing I'd like to

01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:59.239
do, but I can't. But but we can if we

01:21:01.120 --> 01:21:02.616
have

01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.640
 tighter dog regulations. We can help

01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.000
to try and control dog behavior and then

01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:12.296
perhaps perhaps their owners will get to

01:21:12.320 --> 01:21:14.296
understand as well. That's what I'd like

01:21:14.320 --> 01:21:16.456
to do. I can't control the humans. I'd

01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:18.776
like to but I can't.

01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.695
Thank you. I believe councelor Macintosh

01:21:20.719 --> 01:21:22.456
and then followed by councelor Hockley.

01:21:22.480 --> 01:21:23.976
Councelor Macintosh.

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.215
Um one one more question from May

01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:28.776
Pauline and that is is there a balance

01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.496
to be struck? So we have the current

01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:33.576
restrictions that are in place. We have

01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:35.576
proposed changes that are out there in

01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:38.600
council's papers and then  doubtless

01:21:38.719 --> 01:21:41.719
many third options. What is the balance

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.135
to be struck between catering for our

01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.776
humans and humans with dogs and the

01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:48.776
environment at Rickett's point?

01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:49.416
Difficult is

01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:50.695
in your view.

01:21:50.719 --> 01:21:53.175
Um,

01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:54.856
well,

01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.880
I'd like to have more discussion with

01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.199
Parks Victoria about it. I think that

01:22:05.679 --> 01:22:07.816
dogs are off leash. Forgive me if I'm

01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.840
not quite sure it on the  yacht club

01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:14.280
beach at all time.

01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.960
I think that's off leash. Um

01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.560
but unfortunately that's a tough one.

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:24.600
That whole 2.9k of the um of the Murrayne

01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:29.239
sanctuary is an important area between

01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.520
well out to 500 meters out to sea.

01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.800
Sorry. And I do know that people would

01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:39.336
love to be able to walk their dogs. I

01:22:39.360 --> 01:22:42.360
think in winter dogs off leash are dogs

01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:45.400
on leash at all times. Fine. And if if

01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:48.936
we have to strike a bargain, continue

01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.960
the the dogs off leash outside the yach

01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:54.135
club.

01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.456
But I I I don't really think that dogs

01:22:56.480 --> 01:22:59.256
should be off leash in the other areas

01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:01.416
at all.

01:23:01.440 --> 01:23:03.576
Thank you. M that sounds I know it

01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.256
sounds harsh but that's how I feel.

01:23:05.280 --> 01:23:06.615
Thanks Miss Reynolds. I believe

01:23:06.639 --> 01:23:08.135
councelor Hockley you got a question.

01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:09.896
It's a question for the officers.

01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:11.496
Please let's see if there's any further

01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.056
questions to the speaker or

01:23:14.080 --> 01:23:15.336
I don't believe there's any. You may

01:23:15.360 --> 01:23:16.936
take your seat. Mold and councelor

01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:17.976
Hockley. Please go ahead.

01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.896
Thank you very much Mr. Council.

01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:22.920
Thank you. Um,

01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:26.135
a quick question for, well, it may not

01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:27.976
be a quick question in fact for the CEO

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:29.655
or for the head of um, ,

01:23:29.679 --> 01:23:31.416
infrastructure in relation to

01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:34.056
enforcement. Um, what I think is

01:23:34.080 --> 01:23:36.056
important for us all to understand, I

01:23:36.080 --> 01:23:37.976
think I have a rough un understanding,

01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:39.655
but I'm probably wrong and I'm sure if

01:23:39.679 --> 01:23:41.576
we went around the room there would be

01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.816
probably a dozen different versions um,

01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.215
of this, but who is which organization

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:49.239
is responsible for enforcement of what

01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.376
and where? Because my understanding is

01:23:52.400 --> 01:23:54.215
everything above the high tide line is

01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:55.816
council and everything below the high

01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.296
tide line is parks Victoria which by

01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:00.856
implication means that if even one of

01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:03.880
our enforcement officers sees a dog or a

01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:05.976
human doing something wrong on the

01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:08.296
intertidal um rock areas there's nothing

01:24:08.320 --> 01:24:11.320
we can do about it. Is that correct

01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:13.336
through you chair? Yeah that is correct.

01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:14.856
So council is responsible for the

01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.615
tideline and then anything in the water

01:24:16.639 --> 01:24:19.576
is parks Victoria.

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:21.016
Thank you. Councelor Lee, you got a

01:24:21.040 --> 01:24:22.135
question to the officers?

01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.936
Yes, I do. Um, look, given the state

01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:26.615
government has actually cancelled a lot

01:24:26.639 --> 01:24:29.175
of lot of the Murrayne individuals are

01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:31.816
responsible for the management of making

01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:34.296
sure people don't do wrong things. ,

01:24:34.320 --> 01:24:36.695
are you aware of how many of how many of

01:24:36.719 --> 01:24:38.776
these people we have had from the

01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:41.576
department as officers coming to our

01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.376
area in recent times? And are you aware

01:24:44.400 --> 01:24:46.296
are there any of them left after they

01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:49.016
have called about twothirds of the state

01:24:49.040 --> 01:24:50.615
government's called about twothirds of

01:24:50.639 --> 01:24:53.096
them? We now have abalone and all sorts

01:24:53.120 --> 01:24:55.016
of things being stolen but people just

01:24:55.040 --> 01:24:56.376
walking down there like it doesn't

01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:58.135
matter. I'm just wondering how many do

01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:00.215
we have have them around here at all or

01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.856
not?

01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.536
 through you chair I couldn't give you

01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:06.456
numbers. Um, council officers do work

01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:07.976
closely with parks Victoria and there

01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.135
are times when we call on them to come

01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:11.976
and do inspections right across the

01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:15.000
foreshore but I couldn't det

01:25:15.679 --> 01:25:16.695
down here at all or

01:25:16.719 --> 01:25:18.376
maybe we can take it on notice and

01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.615
provide an answer in your course.

01:25:20.639 --> 01:25:22.695
Council Murray, please go ahead.

01:25:22.719 --> 01:25:23.976
Thank you. A quick question for the

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.456
officers. Um, there was some commentary

01:25:26.480 --> 01:25:28.936
about the removal of gates from ovals um

01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.096
that have occurred um and the distress

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:33.175
that that has caused um dog walkers. Is

01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:34.615
there a reason in particular for the

01:25:34.639 --> 01:25:37.639
gates certain ovals to be removed

01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:41.816
through you chair? It was some years ago

01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.840
um  it was a council decision.  the

01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:47.416
CEO might have some more history on that

01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:48.376
was before.

01:25:48.400 --> 01:25:51.256
Well, I'll ask  the CEO to provide

01:25:51.280 --> 01:25:52.936
so through you Mr. Mayor. I understand

01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.936
that  this  has been previously

01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:57.960
debated around  dog use  within our

01:25:58.400 --> 01:26:00.615
um parks and open spaces and  there

01:26:00.639 --> 01:26:03.416
was a a concern that  there were some

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:06.056
dog owners leaving dogs  on parks and

01:26:06.080 --> 01:26:08.135
weren't necessarily there with 

01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:09.976
relevant control and and oversight of

01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.056
their animals. Um so there was a

01:26:12.080 --> 01:26:14.695
decision to remove um gates from um

01:26:14.719 --> 01:26:16.776
parks so that it would place greater

01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.576
owners um on the dog walkers to manage

01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:21.655
their animals.

01:26:21.679 --> 01:26:24.215
Okay, councilors, I believe I'm in your

01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.239
hands now regarding item 12.2.

01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:30.920
Councelor Tahance, you got you're

01:26:31.120 --> 01:26:32.135
moving.

01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:33.976
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to move

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.736
an alternative motion, please.

01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.576
And do you mind reading the alternate

01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:39.576
motion, please, to see if we can get a

01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:41.096
seconder for it?

01:26:41.120 --> 01:26:43.496
That council makes no changes to the

01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.976
current dog off leash beach restrictions

01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.856
within Bayside. that council instructs

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.416
council officers to prepare and install

01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:54.440
clear and simple seasonal signage to

01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:56.856
communicate dog restrictions to the

01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:59.736
community. The council instructs council

01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.456
officers to maximize the use of

01:27:02.480 --> 01:27:04.776
resources to ensure appropriate

01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.256
educational and enforcement of the

01:27:07.280 --> 01:27:10.215
current dog restrictions. The council

01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:12.695
advocates to Parks Victoria for

01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:15.336
installation of appropriate signage

01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:17.096
within the Ricketts Point Murrayne

01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:19.816
Sanctuary, namely at the intertidal

01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.456
rocks, aiming to protect bird life and

01:27:22.480 --> 01:27:25.480
sea life from dogs and humans.

01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.376
The council advocates to Parks Victoria

01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:30.936
for Parks Victoria officers to ensure

01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.776
the appropriate enforcement of

01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:35.016
restrictions within the Ricketts Point

01:27:35.040 --> 01:27:37.896
Murrayne Sanctuary. And that point number

01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:39.976
five notes the petition received in

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.936
relation to this matter item 7.1 on the

01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.576
agenda and advises the lead petitioner

01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:47.336
of this resolution.

01:27:47.360 --> 01:27:49.016
Thank you councelor Taylor H. Do we have

01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:52.040
a seconder? Thank you councelor Eric.

01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:55.256
Councelor Taylor H. You might debate.

01:27:55.280 --> 01:27:57.816
So Bayside has the highest number of

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.776
registered dog owners in all of the

01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.576
municipalities. One in three homes have

01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.600
dogs. In Bo Morris, it's almost one in

01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:09.800
two. Bayside is not listed in the top 10

01:28:10.719 --> 01:28:13.655
dog friendly municipalities despite

01:28:13.679 --> 01:28:16.215
having the highest dog registration fees

01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.776
in Victoria.

01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.800
Bayside is in suburbia with limited open

01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:25.320
space which must be shared responsibly

01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:28.056
and fairly.

01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:30.776
Extensive community feedback shows the

01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.256
majority believe that current dog

01:28:33.280 --> 01:28:36.215
restrictions are balanced and fair and

01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.856
should remain unchanged.

01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:41.496
One will argue that feedback is biased

01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.520
favoring dog owners. Not true. Page 86

01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.000
of our agenda will say otherwise. Of the

01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.199
490 participants who focused on Ricketts

01:28:52.639 --> 01:28:55.639
Point, only 42% say they visit the

01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:59.416
beaches to walk their dogs. The majority

01:28:59.440 --> 01:29:02.440
go to swim, relax for water activities

01:29:03.040 --> 01:29:05.175
and exercise.

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:07.256
Less than 3%

01:29:07.280 --> 01:29:10.280
go to bird watch and only 1% said they

01:29:10.719 --> 01:29:13.576
would prefer no dogs on the beach.

01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.736
In fact, the highest cohort of

01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.615
respondents called for more year round

01:29:18.639 --> 01:29:21.639
off leash beach access, not less. So, if

01:29:23.120 --> 01:29:25.976
the community says no, why is council

01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.000
insisting on the opposite? These are the

01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:32.120
arguments. Despite dogs being prohibited

01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:35.096
from intertidal rocks, they are harming

01:29:35.120 --> 01:29:38.056
the environment on the rocks. Despite

01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:40.376
responsible dog owners picking up after

01:29:40.400 --> 01:29:42.776
their dogs, dog poo is polluting the

01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:45.800
sanctuary. Despite the seaggrass um the

01:29:46.400 --> 01:29:49.096
lack of seaggrass where dogs swim, dogs

01:29:49.120 --> 01:29:51.496
are damaging seaggrass and must now be

01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.456
banned. There is no clear or

01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:56.615
substantiated evidence linking

01:29:56.639 --> 01:29:59.096
responsible dog walking and harm to

01:29:59.120 --> 01:30:01.256
local bird life or the broader

01:30:01.280 --> 01:30:03.256
environment.

01:30:03.280 --> 01:30:05.655
Now, where there is evidence of harm to

01:30:05.679 --> 01:30:07.736
the environment is from the data

01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.376
provided through the litter patrol logs.

01:30:10.400 --> 01:30:13.400
Litter left behind by beachgoers and

01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.600
mostly collected by locals. Yes, locals

01:30:16.639 --> 01:30:19.175
walking their dogs, the stewards of the

01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:22.135
sanctuary. Bags of plastic, glass

01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.159
bottles, syringes, nappies along with

01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:27.576
fishing litter despite fishing being

01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.135
illegal in the sanctuary.

01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:32.376
Now, I'm not here to debate on nitrogen

01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:35.400
levels of K9 fecal matter in the Murrayne,

01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:38.456
but would argue that human litter,

01:30:38.480 --> 01:30:41.256
urine, sunscreen would also be doing

01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:43.496
harm, not to mention storm water

01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:46.520
pollution. Should we be banning humans

01:30:47.040 --> 01:30:49.496
from Rickett's point?

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.056
In my experience, Parks Victoria is

01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:54.215
normally good at managing limiting

01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.615
numbers to its parks to protect the

01:30:56.639 --> 01:30:58.936
environment. There appears to be a

01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:01.496
dereliction of responsibility as far as

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.520
the sanctuary is concerned. Visitations

01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.496
are not man managed. There are no signs

01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:09.896
near the intertidal rocks to warn humans

01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.576
against trampling on the fragile

01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:13.736
platforms to warn children against

01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.215
chasing bird life and to warn of fines

01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.096
should crustations be removed and taken

01:31:19.120 --> 01:31:21.496
home in little buckets.

01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:24.215
The solution, according to community

01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.096
feedback, is for simple and easy to

01:31:27.120 --> 01:31:30.120
understand signage along with education

01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.296
and enforcement.

01:31:32.320 --> 01:31:34.536
In closing, the proposed beach

01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:37.096
restrictions are not supported by the

01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:39.896
community nor supported by evidence of

01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:42.376
direct impact of dog walking and

01:31:42.400 --> 01:31:45.256
environmental damage. The proposed

01:31:45.280 --> 01:31:48.215
changes are unjustified and will impact

01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:50.695
residents quality of life, particularly

01:31:50.719 --> 01:31:52.936
those with dogs in both Morris and

01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:55.960
Hampton. Parks Victoria Victoria must

01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.536
take some ownership in protecting the

01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.256
sanctuary with proactive measures.

01:32:01.280 --> 01:32:04.280
Thank you, Councelor Tes.

01:32:05.470 --> 01:32:08.470
[Applause]

01:32:10.719 --> 01:32:12.776
Councelor Ert, would you like to say a

01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.175
few words? Yes, I would. Thank you. ,

01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:17.175
Mayor

01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:19.416
particular council councelor Taylor

01:32:19.440 --> 01:32:22.440
Haynes, our deputy Mayor, I rise tonight

01:32:23.040 --> 01:32:25.896
to support deputy Mayor Taylor Hayne's

01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.920
motion regarding item 12.2, the proposed

01:32:29.440 --> 01:32:31.175
summer prohibition on dog access to

01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.816
Ricketts Point South and to advocate for

01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:36.840
a balanced and evidence-based approach.

01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.135
As we can see, this is a deeply emotive

01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.615
issue and I acknowledge the passion on

01:32:42.639 --> 01:32:44.615
both sides.

01:32:44.639 --> 01:32:47.336
Many residents, particularly older

01:32:47.360 --> 01:32:50.360
people and those with disabilities,

01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:53.976
those with mobility challenges,

01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.296
they all rely on the early morning dog

01:32:56.320 --> 01:32:58.536
walking at Ricketts Point for exercise,

01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.560
social connection, and well-being.

01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:03.896
Denying on leash access during the

01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:06.456
cooler, quieter hours risks excluding

01:33:06.480 --> 01:33:08.776
these community members from their local

01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:11.175
beach, which is unfair and

01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:13.816
disproportionate.

01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.816
The intent to protect the Murrayne

01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:17.976
sanctuary is commendable, and we all

01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:19.496
share a commitment to preserving our

01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:21.976
precious ecosystems.

01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:24.456
However, as the deputy Mayor has

01:33:24.480 --> 01:33:27.175
highlighted, there is no robust

01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:29.896
longitudinal evidence directly linking

01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.615
responsible dog walking to harm Ricketts

01:33:32.639 --> 01:33:34.936
Point bird populations or Murrayne

01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.336
environment.

01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:39.496
As we've heard from the deputy Mayor,

01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:41.655
the fetching feedback deliberative panel

01:33:41.679 --> 01:33:44.296
noted the absence of clear impartial

01:33:44.320 --> 01:33:46.936
data during consultations.

01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:49.576
Instead, concerns appear driven by

01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:52.600
emotive assumptions rather than facts.

01:33:53.440 --> 01:33:56.056
For instance, human traffic,

01:33:56.080 --> 01:33:58.536
particularly during peak times, likely

01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:00.296
poses a greater risk to the Murrayne

01:34:00.320 --> 01:34:03.320
ecosystem than unleashed dogs.

01:34:03.679 --> 01:34:06.296
Additionally, as we've heard from

01:34:06.320 --> 01:34:09.320
councelor Lee, nocturnal foxes present a

01:34:09.679 --> 01:34:12.296
more significant threat to wildlife

01:34:12.320 --> 01:34:15.175
than responsibly handled dogs. Yet this

01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.199
issue receives very little attention.

01:34:19.040 --> 01:34:21.416
Decisions of this magnitude must be

01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:23.496
grounded in credible evidence-based

01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.520
studies, not generalizations or pressure

01:34:26.639 --> 01:34:29.416
from any single group. The majority

01:34:29.440 --> 01:34:31.896
view, as expressed in council's own

01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.920
survey, supports maintaining dog access,

01:34:35.040 --> 01:34:37.175
and we must respect this to uphold

01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:39.496
community trust in our consultation

01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:41.016
process.

01:34:41.040 --> 01:34:43.336
I urge council to support deputy Mayor's

01:34:43.360 --> 01:34:46.360
motion ensuring inclusivity for all

01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:48.936
residents while committing to further

01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:50.856
research into actual environmental

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:52.615
impacts.

01:34:52.639 --> 01:34:54.695
This balanced approach respects both our

01:34:54.719 --> 01:34:57.096
community's needs and our duty to

01:34:57.120 --> 01:34:59.736
protect Rickett's point natural beauty.

01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:00.536
Thank you.

01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.560
Thank you councelor

01:35:05.120 --> 01:35:07.416
Councelor Hockley. Thank you ma'am. Do

01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:09.256
you mind putting on your microphone?

01:35:09.280 --> 01:35:11.416
Most certainly.

01:35:11.440 --> 01:35:14.440
Um I I support the motion too.  and

01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.896
that may surprise some. I've  I come

01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.920
from a a position that  where I walk

01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:24.776
my dog on Rick's Point. She runs along

01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:26.215
the sand. She doesn't go in the water.

01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.376
She wouldn't go on the rocks to save

01:35:28.400 --> 01:35:31.400
herself. And I also snorkel um out to

01:35:32.080 --> 01:35:33.816
the reef. And I can tell you it's one of

01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:35.736
the most  beautiful experiences that

01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.760
you can have  in Australia, not just

01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:41.800
the city of Bayside. We are  more than

01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:45.159
a unique municipality in so many ways.

01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:47.096
And I think the best way that I can

01:35:47.120 --> 01:35:50.120
explain that to you is by  essentially

01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.456
saying that I think we have failed  in

01:35:52.480 --> 01:35:54.615
a number of ways. In 2002, we should

01:35:54.639 --> 01:35:56.695
have made much more effort as a

01:35:56.719 --> 01:35:59.719
government, as a council to reflect the

01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:01.655
fact that the decision to make this area

01:36:01.679 --> 01:36:03.896
a Murrayne sanctuary should have been

01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.456
accompanied by significantly greater

01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:09.480
controls over the protection of the of

01:36:09.679 --> 01:36:11.896
the habitat and more patrols of things

01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:14.135
like illegal fishery, illegal taking,

01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:15.816
beach combing and those sorts of things.

01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.416
As councelor Taylor Holmes has talked

01:36:17.440 --> 01:36:20.440
about, um we have failed um in our

01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:24.280
efforts to sign the area and explain to

01:36:24.400 --> 01:36:26.856
people exactly how precious it is and

01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:28.776
exactly what is expected of them at at

01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:30.615
every point. I I go down there and I

01:36:30.639 --> 01:36:32.215
look at some of the signs and I don't

01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.615
know what I'm supposed to do.

01:36:34.639 --> 01:36:36.615
 I wait for my dog to explain it to me

01:36:36.639 --> 01:36:38.215
because she she actually probably

01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:41.016
understands it better. But the opport

01:36:41.040 --> 01:36:43.816
but the opport the opportunity I think

01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:46.840
is also  ahead of us.  and we have

01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:50.360
failed in part by not um coming together

01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:53.095
as a community and and not just picking

01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:54.936
up litter but explaining to people on

01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:57.736
the beach and being a a part of a larger

01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.536
group that in that has enthusiasm and

01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.456
shares that enthusiasm among all of the

01:37:02.480 --> 01:37:03.816
visitors for what we've actually got

01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.615
here. Um and why I say we're unique at

01:37:06.639 --> 01:37:09.416
as Bayside. This is as a Murrayne

01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:12.440
sanctuary effectively a national park

01:37:12.639 --> 01:37:14.456
and it is one of the very few national

01:37:14.480 --> 01:37:16.215
parks in the entire country that even

01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:19.175
allows dogs let alone off ledge.

01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:21.655
Now as Bayside Council that kind of

01:37:21.679 --> 01:37:23.336
makes us a bit unique and we do things a

01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:25.416
little differently. I have no problem

01:37:25.440 --> 01:37:27.256
with that if as a community we come

01:37:27.280 --> 01:37:29.175
together and understand that this is a

01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.256
precious resource that needs to be

01:37:31.280 --> 01:37:33.416
protected for future generations.

01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:34.776
Because if you go to the Barrier Reef

01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:36.456
for example, there are no dogs anywhere.

01:37:36.480 --> 01:37:37.816
There are signs everywhere. No dogs on

01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:39.416
the beaches, no dogs in the a holes, no

01:37:39.440 --> 01:37:41.655
dogs on the reefs, no dogs on the boats,

01:37:41.679 --> 01:37:43.896
no dogs anywhere. And that's because 15%

01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:45.976
of the habitat, 15% of the species

01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:49.000
rather on the barrier reef are not found

01:37:49.040 --> 01:37:51.736
anywhere else on the planet. And so I'll

01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:54.695
leave you with the observation that I

01:37:54.719 --> 01:37:56.296
think should be ringing in your ears

01:37:56.320 --> 01:37:58.215
after tonight.

01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:00.376
15% of species on the Great Barrier Reef

01:38:00.400 --> 01:38:01.576
are not found anywhere else in the

01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.296
planet. in Port Philip Bay of Friickets

01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:06.536
Point. 85%

01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.936
of the species that are found there are

01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.016
not found anywhere else on the planet.

01:38:11.040 --> 01:38:13.496
Now, by all means, enjoy the beach with

01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.496
your dogs, but understand that we have a

01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.296
responsibility to protect that

01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:20.376
environment every bit as much as you

01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:22.456
should take the entitlement to enjoy

01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:24.456
your health and well-being with your

01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:27.480
dog. But that makes this area entirely

01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.135
unique and we should absolutely respect

01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:31.896
that and understand it and share it with

01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:33.496
others.

01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:35.886
Thank you councelor.

01:38:35.910 --> 01:38:38.056
[Applause]

01:38:38.080 --> 01:38:39.976
Councelor Macintosh please go ahead

01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:41.896
here. Here here councelor Hockley. We do

01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:44.695
need to  we do need to do better. Um

01:38:44.719 --> 01:38:46.456
just statement up front. I'm also a

01:38:46.480 --> 01:38:48.376
longtime dog owner and lover and I

01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:50.215
absolutely get and acknowledge the

01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:52.135
enjoyment that our canine companions

01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:54.296
bring to their humans, supporting our

01:38:54.320 --> 01:38:57.320
physical activity efforts um and thus

01:38:57.440 --> 01:38:59.576
nurturing our physical and mental health

01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.376
and well-being. Also bolstering social

01:39:02.400 --> 01:39:04.376
connections between people in our open

01:39:04.400 --> 01:39:06.856
spaces, our parks and of course our

01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:09.095
beaches. I do understand the sentiment

01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.016
and frustration voiced in the community

01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:12.936
petition about dogs on beaches and in

01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:15.416
Banksia Reserve and I would like to see

01:39:15.440 --> 01:39:17.416
outside of this particular motion a

01:39:17.440 --> 01:39:19.655
commitment from council to engage better

01:39:19.679 --> 01:39:21.896
with our community on dogs noting that

01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:24.296
our draft damp is out for consultation

01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:26.456
and we do need to do better in providing

01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:29.175
some safe open spaces including those

01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:31.256
fenced in areas and not just relying on

01:39:31.280 --> 01:39:33.496
wish reserve for dog owners to take

01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:35.496
their canines to exercise and to

01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.520
socialize. I am however also passionate

01:39:38.639 --> 01:39:41.016
about environmental sustainability of

01:39:41.040 --> 01:39:43.416
caring for our green and our blue areas

01:39:43.440 --> 01:39:45.416
of environmental significance including

01:39:45.440 --> 01:39:47.896
that of Ricketts Point Murrayne Sanctuary.

01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:49.655
I'm also cognizant that not all

01:39:49.679 --> 01:39:52.215
residents own or want to be surrounded

01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:55.239
by dogs that at times off lead dogs can

01:39:55.360 --> 01:39:57.175
pose a safety risk to people with

01:39:57.199 --> 01:39:59.256
mobility or disability issues. And

01:39:59.280 --> 01:40:00.536
speaking here as the chair of the

01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:02.215
disability access and inclusion

01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:05.016
committee, this is an important issue.

01:40:05.040 --> 01:40:08.040
And also dogs can create fear in those

01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:10.056
who are uncomfortable with dogs. So we

01:40:10.080 --> 01:40:12.376
do need to allow  for those residents

01:40:12.400 --> 01:40:15.095
as well. We have before us tonight a

01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:17.976
once- in almost 20 years opportunity to

01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:21.000
amend and improve our rules, noting that

01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:22.936
the last substantial review of dog

01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.960
restrictions on beaches was in 2006.

01:40:26.400 --> 01:40:29.175
2006 was a different time. Our local

01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.199
population then was 90,87

01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:35.400
humans and 12,01 canines. Kavoodles were

01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:38.695
only just starting to take off in

01:40:38.719 --> 01:40:41.719
popularity. Instagram wasn't a thing.

01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:44.456
Facebook had only just been created and

01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:45.976
Ricketts Point had been a Murrayne

01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.896
sanctuary for just four years, having

01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.920
been established in November 2002.

01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:54.600
Fast forward to 2025, we have around

01:40:54.639 --> 01:40:56.776
106,118

01:40:56.800 --> 01:40:59.256
resident humans. So, another 15,000

01:40:59.280 --> 01:41:02.280
people and 12,789

01:41:02.480 --> 01:41:04.936
resident canines and kavoodles are now

01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:07.736
the most popular dog in Bayside. We also

01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:10.135
have an entrenched social media culture,

01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.296
Facebook, Instagram, and more, meaning

01:41:12.320 --> 01:41:14.695
that locals and visitors regularly post

01:41:14.719 --> 01:41:17.016
about our lovely Bayside beaches and

01:41:17.040 --> 01:41:19.256
encourage more visitation, be that good,

01:41:19.280 --> 01:41:21.816
bad, or otherwise. And so, more traffic

01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:23.816
to the environmentally sensitive areas

01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.135
of Rickettts Point. And while I do think

01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:28.536
that most dog owners do the right thing,

01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.215
there are unfortunately those that

01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:32.615
don't. I think most of us are keen to

01:41:32.639 --> 01:41:34.296
see better enforcement, whatever

01:41:34.320 --> 01:41:36.856
restrictions we put in place, better and

01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:38.936
clearer signage, including season

01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:41.816
specific signage and education for our

01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:43.655
humans around protecting and caring for

01:41:43.679 --> 01:41:45.416
the Murrayne sanctuary that we're very

01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:48.440
fortunate to be custodians of. And to be

01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.576
very clear, Parks Victoria advice, which

01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:53.976
we have all now been made aware of, is

01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:56.615
that they are not supportive of dogs off

01:41:56.639 --> 01:41:58.615
leash in the Murrayne sanctuary at all,

01:41:58.639 --> 01:42:00.776
either in or adjacent to the Murrayne

01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.336
areas. Understanding, however, that we

01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:05.256
need to do better in the first instance

01:42:05.280 --> 01:42:07.016
with our enforcement and education

01:42:07.040 --> 01:42:08.776
around the significance of Rickettts

01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.536
Point and that we need to engage with

01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:11.976
the dog owning community for

01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.376
alternatives. I would love there to be

01:42:14.400 --> 01:42:17.016
just two zones at Rickettts Point. move

01:42:17.040 --> 01:42:18.056
to extend.

01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:20.135
You got another minute to go.

01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:23.159
Thank you. I would love to see as as I

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.056
think Pauline mentioned earlier just

01:42:26.080 --> 01:42:28.215
that one off leash dog area at

01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.456
Rickettt's Point, the existing dog off

01:42:30.480 --> 01:42:32.536
leash area and the remaining area which

01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:34.776
really how complicated do we need to

01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:37.175
make it with five different zones with

01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:39.175
different requirements and regulations.

01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:42.199
That seems rather absurd that perhaps we

01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:43.896
stick with the dogs being prohibited

01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.056
during the day in summer as makes good

01:42:46.080 --> 01:42:48.776
sense and on leash outside of 10:00 a.m.

01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:51.256
to 7:00 p.m. and in winter allowed on

01:42:51.280 --> 01:42:53.976
lead only at other times. It's not

01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.056
perfect. This is a really challenging

01:42:56.080 --> 01:42:58.376
social and environmental issue and needs

01:42:58.400 --> 01:43:00.776
to best meet the needs of both dog and

01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:02.936
non-dog owners and our environment.

01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:05.336
Thank you, Council Macintosh. Council

01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:07.416
Lee.

01:43:07.440 --> 01:43:09.976
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, look, I wish to

01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.695
support the motion from the deputy Mayor

01:43:12.719 --> 01:43:15.719
for I guess as  the oldest council in

01:43:16.080 --> 01:43:19.016
this place. Um you reflect on your life

01:43:19.040 --> 01:43:21.816
in a sense that  I always view that I

01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.840
I rent a a square meter of earth on this

01:43:25.040 --> 01:43:27.336
planet while I live. And I'd like to

01:43:27.360 --> 01:43:29.816
think that I contribute in a way that

01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:31.496
actually actually when I've gone, it's

01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:34.296
better than I found it. I think one of

01:43:34.320 --> 01:43:35.896
the the first great things that's been

01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.456
done about this bay some years ago is

01:43:38.480 --> 01:43:40.695
when the Kennet government after us is a

01:43:40.719 --> 01:43:43.175
a lot of local members convinced the

01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:45.496
government to wipe out the se the um the

01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.376
the um scolop dredging in the bay which

01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:50.536
changed the nature of the bay very

01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:53.560
significantly. I have to say part of my

01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:55.896
problem with what's going on here there

01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:58.920
is no real policing of what's going on

01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:02.119
down in that area. Now I'm I'm for

01:44:02.320 --> 01:44:05.175
certainly for better signage,

01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:07.175
certainly without the use of the English

01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:08.936
language where possible because I think

01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.175
there are people around you want them to

01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:12.615
understand it. So we got to keep it

01:44:12.639 --> 01:44:15.639
simple. Now it's Kiss keep it simple. So

01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:18.776
I hope we do that. But the fact of the

01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:21.800
matter is you have vermin down there

01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.695
damaging the place. You have the more

01:44:24.719 --> 01:44:26.456
people that are down there and making

01:44:26.480 --> 01:44:28.615
sure remember it's not the it's not the

01:44:28.639 --> 01:44:31.016
doc's fault. It's the person's, it's the

01:44:31.040 --> 01:44:33.095
human's fault. And it's one of the

01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:34.936
things we ought to do is to make sure

01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:37.896
that dog owners are responsible. Now, if

01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:39.976
they're not responsible, throw the book

01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.056
at them. As far as I'm concerned, you

01:44:42.080 --> 01:44:44.215
know, we've had I've been down there at

01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:46.695
Ricketts Point for when we lived in

01:44:46.719 --> 01:44:49.016
Boris until we we got rid of the

01:44:49.040 --> 01:44:51.896
children and downsized and saved a lot

01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.215
of a lot of let's say saved the

01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:56.536
environment by them moving out. But can

01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:59.560
I say we spend most of our 24 25 years

01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:03.095
every summer down at down at Rickert's

01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.416
Point and that's where the boys play. So

01:45:05.440 --> 01:45:07.976
it's it's an important place for me too.

01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:11.000
It's also sad that what's happened is

01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:13.816
the policing of how including us frankly

01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.615
as the council from what we do but when

01:45:16.639 --> 01:45:18.296
you are when you become aware of the

01:45:18.320 --> 01:45:20.536
fact that the state government recently

01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:23.560
sacked 27 fishery and wildlife officers

01:45:24.480 --> 01:45:27.480
who who were maintaining the bay and um

01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:31.576
I think one of the other bays as well.

01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:34.600
So 27 officers were sacked. We know that

01:45:35.679 --> 01:45:37.736
the vandalization that's going on around

01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.760
the bay because of  the mess they've

01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:42.936
got themselves into and they've actually

01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:45.016
sacked the people that you need on the

01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:46.856
ground and they haven't got rid of some

01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:48.536
of the public servants that haven't done

01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:50.776
much as far as I'm concerned and there

01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:52.536
are good public servants and and people

01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:54.695
who do nothing. So let's be fair about

01:45:54.719 --> 01:45:57.256
this. There has been mass mismanagement

01:45:57.280 --> 01:45:59.655
of what's going on in the bay. The fact

01:45:59.679 --> 01:46:02.296
is we have feral foxes down there.

01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:04.056
Nobody's doing anything about it. and

01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:05.496
you've heard tonight from when I've been

01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:07.336
asking the questions and others other

01:46:07.360 --> 01:46:09.496
questions. So, as far as I'm concerned,

01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:11.816
I think we do need to do the signage. I

01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.976
do think we have to do as better a

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:16.056
better job than we have done as a

01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:17.816
council. It's my opin my opinion in

01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.840
this. But I'm I'm not convinced that by

01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:25.175
us going along with what is being

01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:28.199
proposed by other than this motion is

01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.536
going to do anything other than it looks

01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.336
good. I'd say to you, I would encourage

01:46:33.360 --> 01:46:35.416
each and every one of you to go and talk

01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:38.440
to all of your state members, all sides.

01:46:38.639 --> 01:46:40.615
I don't care which side you talk. Make

01:46:40.639 --> 01:46:42.695
them

01:46:42.719 --> 01:46:45.336
make them do something. They're the

01:46:45.360 --> 01:46:48.360
people who have the policing power to do

01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.896
something. They refuse to do it. So, do

01:46:51.920 --> 01:46:53.655
you know what? There's a lot of you in

01:46:53.679 --> 01:46:55.655
this room. I want you to all go out of

01:46:55.679 --> 01:46:58.296
this room to those of you are concerned

01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:01.320
and make and make and make make a

01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.175
statement to them of what you want.

01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.095
People have let people just gave up on

01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:09.336
it when they sacked them and no one did

01:47:09.360 --> 01:47:12.360
anything. So I hope you will do that

01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.456
because I think it's one thing that you

01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:16.776
can do to protect the bay and the

01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:18.536
wildlife that's in the bay.

01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.560
Thank you, Council Lee.

01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:25.000
Councelor

01:47:25.360 --> 01:47:26.536
Murray, would you like to add to the

01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:28.296
debate?

01:47:28.320 --> 01:47:29.896
Thank you. I think most issues have been

01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:31.816
covered and I do echo the sentiments of

01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:34.840
councelor Hockley. Um,

01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:37.496
in particular, um, I support the motion.

01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:39.655
I think we absolutely have to do more

01:47:39.679 --> 01:47:42.296
though in the space of preserving the

01:47:42.320 --> 01:47:44.615
integrity of Ricketts Point Murrayne

01:47:44.639 --> 01:47:46.456
Sanctuary. We have to work much more

01:47:46.480 --> 01:47:49.480
closely with Parks Victoria. Um and that

01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.615
is an issue that is obviously much wider

01:47:52.639 --> 01:47:55.639
than just dogs. It's very much people um

01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.000
impact not just on um kids and parents

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:02.135
running out and fusking amongst um the

01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:04.936
rocks but the illegal fishing and all

01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:06.936
the activities that happen um just

01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.655
offshore. So um it's pleasing to see

01:48:09.679 --> 01:48:12.679
that we are um we are um pursuing

01:48:12.719 --> 01:48:15.719
various avenues um um at council here.

01:48:16.480 --> 01:48:19.256
Um that's all I wish to add. Thank you.

01:48:19.280 --> 01:48:22.280
Thank you, Council Murray.

01:48:24.480 --> 01:48:27.016
I'll be very brief. Deputy just want to

01:48:27.040 --> 01:48:29.336
say thank you for the alternate motion

01:48:29.360 --> 01:48:31.655
and I understand councelor Lee he

01:48:31.679 --> 01:48:33.416
mentioned he's the oldest counselor here

01:48:33.440 --> 01:48:36.440
but um as age wise but I'm the oldest

01:48:36.480 --> 01:48:39.416
being on council and over the last

01:48:39.440 --> 01:48:41.496
over over the last 5 years nevertheless

01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:42.936
the only thing I heard from the

01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.960
community is concern about the lack of

01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:49.159
enforcement on our beaches

01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:52.056
that's what I consistently heard over

01:48:52.080 --> 01:48:54.615
the last 5 years and what we have done

01:48:54.639 --> 01:48:56.936
or what we proposing here we are

01:48:56.960 --> 01:48:59.496
changing restrictions but there is

01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:01.336
nothing I see in front of me in the

01:49:01.360 --> 01:49:04.135
recommendation to target the root cause

01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:06.536
of the problem which is the patrols and

01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:08.296
making sure current restrictions are

01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:10.615
adhered to so rather than fixing the

01:49:10.639 --> 01:49:13.336
current problem we're going to make make

01:49:13.360 --> 01:49:16.135
it another bigger problem in my opinion

01:49:16.159 --> 01:49:18.456
now over the last few years I haven't

01:49:18.480 --> 01:49:21.416
really seen any evidence of the Murrayne

01:49:21.440 --> 01:49:23.816
sanctuary being affected with the dogs

01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:25.336
and the dog owners

01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:27.416
and the dogs being off leash in there.

01:49:27.440 --> 01:49:29.416
In fact, what I heard that the Murrayne

01:49:29.440 --> 01:49:32.440
sanctuary is actually attracting more

01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:34.695
bird species.

01:49:34.719 --> 01:49:36.615
So, I haven't seen evidence to say we

01:49:36.639 --> 01:49:38.856
are losing bird species. I'm hearing

01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:41.736
that we are attracting more bird species

01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:43.736
at the current restrictions. So, I don't

01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.456
see why are we tinkering around with

01:49:46.480 --> 01:49:49.175
this. If if there is an improvement in

01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:50.936
the biodiversity of the Murrayne

01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.496
sanctuary, why to change it? I fully

01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.256
support councelor Taylor Haynes here

01:49:55.280 --> 01:49:57.496
that all beach restrictions to be

01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.520
maintained as they are. I heard some 

01:50:00.719 --> 01:50:03.175
during the question time some commentary

01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:05.016
about pushing people there is going to

01:50:05.040 --> 01:50:07.416
be a knock on effect and pushing them to

01:50:07.440 --> 01:50:09.896
other beaches in Bayside and considering

01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:11.655
that we are locking up Hampton there

01:50:11.679 --> 01:50:14.056
would be more pressure on the sandown

01:50:14.080 --> 01:50:16.376
and I heard the dendi beach and good

01:50:16.400 --> 01:50:19.400
luck finding parking there.

01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:21.576
Carbon footprint is one thing, but

01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:23.336
you're going to you're not going to find

01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:25.655
parking. And if you do, I can guarantee

01:50:25.679 --> 01:50:27.416
you by the time you to take your dog

01:50:27.440 --> 01:50:30.215
down, walk it, and then bring it back to

01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:32.376
the car, you'll have a fine on your car

01:50:32.400 --> 01:50:34.695
because of the restrictions. So,

01:50:34.719 --> 01:50:36.695
councelor Taylor Hands, what really what

01:50:36.719 --> 01:50:39.719
I like here is a point three, which is a

01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.135
nice way to put it  to appropriate

01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:45.159
education and enforcement. I really hope

01:50:45.280 --> 01:50:47.816
that the officers and our CEO get the

01:50:47.840 --> 01:50:50.695
message out of this one. We really need

01:50:50.719 --> 01:50:53.496
to see more patrols on the beaches and

01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.496
the fact that we are going to advocate

01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.520
to Parks Victoria is also important.

01:50:58.719 --> 01:51:00.936
Part of this is their responsibility and

01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.896
they need to be visible. So I fully

01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:05.576
support the alternate and I'll put it

01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:07.296
back to you to close.

01:51:07.320 --> 01:51:10.320
[Applause]

01:51:12.480 --> 01:51:14.615
So, just a few words before we get to

01:51:14.639 --> 01:51:16.776
the official votes and move on to the

01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.800
next um the next item. Um so, look,

01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:22.135
council's proposal to increase beach

01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.296
restrictions as as we've now heard is

01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:27.320
inconsistent with the data. Contrary to

01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:29.576
community feedback and unsupported by

01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:32.296
evidence, the majority of respondents

01:51:32.320 --> 01:51:35.320
opposed further restrictions. Um yet the

01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:37.816
proposal went in the opposite direction

01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.376
and unfairly penalized people doing the

01:51:40.400 --> 01:51:42.536
right thing while doing nothing to

01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.560
address  those doing the wrong and

01:51:45.679 --> 01:51:48.679
those irresponsible few. The area is a

01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:50.936
parked reserve. It's pristine. It

01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:52.936
actually takes your breath away being

01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:54.296
down there and walking through that

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:56.456
area. It's spectacular, but it's the

01:51:56.480 --> 01:51:58.135
only one in a builtup suburban

01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.296
environment and therefore requires

01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:03.095
special treatment. Council along with

01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.976
Parks Victoria has a responsibility to

01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:08.215
educate the whole community about how to

01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:10.776
use the sanctuary. This is a much better

01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.800
longerterm solution than simply banning

01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:16.296
one section of the community entirely.

01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:19.175
The population in Bayside will grow and

01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:21.816
there will be more dog walkers. Reducing

01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:23.816
beaches for dog walking is not the

01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:26.840
answer. Education and enforcement is.

01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:30.215
Bayside should aim for an evidence-based

01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:32.936
inclusive outcome protecting our unique

01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:35.960
environment whilst almost um whilst also

01:52:36.480 --> 01:52:38.615
upholding the principle that public

01:52:38.639 --> 01:52:41.175
spaces remain accessible to all members

01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:44.199
of the community. I urge councilors to

01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.095
respect the findings of council's own

01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:49.736
consultation. Rate payers expect

01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:52.695
transparent, evidence-based, datadriven

01:52:52.719 --> 01:52:55.095
decision makingaking, not restrictions

01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:58.119
driven by minority advocacy. Councilors,

01:52:59.119 --> 01:53:00.615
I implore you to listen to your

01:53:00.639 --> 01:53:02.936
community who elected you. It sounds

01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:05.496
like you have and thank you for voting

01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:07.756
yes for my motion.

01:53:07.780 --> 01:53:10.780
[Applause]

01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:14.776
Thank you, Councelor Tain. Before I put

01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.496
it to a vote, I just  like to ask for

01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:20.376
clarification on point one and his

01:53:20.400 --> 01:53:23.175
intention is just for dog off leash

01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:26.199
beaches or all beaches restrictions.

01:53:27.040 --> 01:53:29.016
All beach restrictions to remain as they

01:53:29.040 --> 01:53:32.040
are. So I would like the second to make

01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.135
sure the second is happy with that.

01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:37.159
Thank you. So we just maybe we'll just

01:53:37.280 --> 01:53:39.816
change it on the screen because this is

01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:41.655
somehow can be interpreted that it's

01:53:41.679 --> 01:53:43.976
only for off leash.

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.000
So we are saying that the current

01:53:49.599 --> 01:53:52.599
so we'll get rid of

01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:00.760
okay so second is happy with that thank

01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:03.175
you okay I'll put it to vote all those

01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:05.976
in favor councelor Taylor Haynes

01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:08.376
councelor Eri councel Lee councelor

01:54:08.400 --> 01:54:10.936
Murray councelor Hockley councel mimm

01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:13.960
against councelor Mintosh and it is

01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:15.736
carried.

01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.760
Thank you.

01:54:29.599 --> 01:54:32.056
Councilors, I'm calling for a motion for

01:54:32.080 --> 01:54:35.080
a 5m minute break to allow residents to

01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:37.816
leave. So I got a move council leave and

01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:39.336
second by councelor Hockley. All those

01:54:39.360 --> 01:54:42.056
in favor, councelor Erlic, councelor

01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:45.080
Mintosh, Councelor Murray, Council Min,

01:54:45.440 --> 01:54:48.440
Councelor Tala Haynes, and it's Garrett

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:54.215
will continue to pose safety risks to

01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:55.736
neighbors.

01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:57.736
A comprehensive master plan for the

01:54:57.760 --> 01:54:59.736
entire sports precinct would address

01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:02.615
these risks and at the same time unlock

01:55:02.639 --> 01:55:04.615
new opportunities for safe and expanded

01:55:04.639 --> 01:55:06.936
community use.

01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:08.936
Bayside has the highest active sport

01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:11.896
participation rates in Victoria, yet no

01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:14.695
new open space. In fact, we're losing

01:55:14.719 --> 01:55:17.719
ground. 4.3 hectares at Sir William Fry

01:55:18.320 --> 01:55:20.456
Reserve will soon soon be taken by the

01:55:20.480 --> 01:55:22.376
SRL.

01:55:22.400 --> 01:55:24.376
This is not about removing Chenham Golf

01:55:24.400 --> 01:55:27.256
Club or using the site for Victoria Golf

01:55:27.280 --> 01:55:29.575
Club. It's about keeping golf at the

01:55:29.599 --> 01:55:31.896
center while maximizing the site's

01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.856
potential so existing uses sit alongside

01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.416
new sporting opportunities reflecting

01:55:37.440 --> 01:55:40.376
the needs of a growing community.

01:55:40.400 --> 01:55:43.400
Approving a 21-year lease now would lock

01:55:43.599 --> 01:55:46.599
in current limitations until 2046.

01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:50.376
This is also about equity and

01:55:50.400 --> 01:55:53.175
governance. At Sandy Link, Bayside

01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.496
receives over $684,000

01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:58.296
a year in rent and levies from a from a

01:55:58.320 --> 01:56:01.016
facility open to all and used by five

01:56:01.040 --> 01:56:04.040
clubs. Cheltenham Golf Club proposes just

01:56:04.080 --> 01:56:06.695
$41,818

01:56:06.719 --> 01:56:09.719
for the use of valuable public land.

01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:12.920
We respectfully request council to

01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:14.776
initiate an expression of interest for

01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:16.536
proposals that enhance sport and

01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:18.135
recreation,

01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:19.896
defer any lease renewal until the

01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.215
process complete.

01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:23.816
This is a once in a generation

01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:26.840
opportunity. Let's plan it properly and

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:28.536
make it something the whole community

01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.175
can be proud of. Thank you.

01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:32.936
Thank you, Mr. Rainey. Do we have any

01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:35.960
questions to the speaker?

01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:38.135
No questions. You may take a seat. And

01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.215
I'm calling on Mr. Chris Graham on

01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:42.376
behalf of Cheltenham Football Club to

01:56:42.400 --> 01:56:45.400
come forward, please.

01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:55.336
Um to the Mayor and counselors, my name

01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:57.175
is Chris Gray. I'm representing Cheltenham

01:56:57.199 --> 01:56:59.416
Football Net Club tonight. Our club

01:56:59.440 --> 01:57:01.175
shares a boundary with the Cheltenham golf

01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:03.496
course hole 5 and unfortunately airing

01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:04.936
golf balls have been landing on our

01:57:04.960 --> 01:57:07.575
field and surrounding areas have become

01:57:07.599 --> 01:57:10.599
increasingly serious hazard.

01:57:10.719 --> 01:57:12.376
We have had increasing complaints of

01:57:12.400 --> 01:57:14.376
multiple knee misses and property damage

01:57:14.400 --> 01:57:16.215
during both training and even landing in

01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.695
the field of play during match days. And

01:57:18.719 --> 01:57:20.615
net balls after fundraising and

01:57:20.639 --> 01:57:22.856
campaigning for seven years do not even

01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:24.695
want to use the newly built net ball

01:57:24.719 --> 01:57:27.256
court for safety concerns. This is not

01:57:27.280 --> 01:57:29.175
just an inconvenience, it is a real and

01:57:29.199 --> 01:57:31.896
growing safety risk. What is even the

01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:33.575
larger concern is that golf balls are

01:57:33.599 --> 01:57:35.175
landing around the clubhouse facilities

01:57:35.199 --> 01:57:36.776
where it is very crowded with young

01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:39.496
families and on match days. So not even

01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.496
the higher section of the current safety

01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:43.336
fencing is providing adequate protection

01:57:43.360 --> 01:57:45.816
from golf ball strikes.

01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:47.336
We have provided photo evidence to

01:57:47.360 --> 01:57:49.016
Bayside Council of golf balls in the

01:57:49.040 --> 01:57:50.695
field of play and also of damaged

01:57:50.719 --> 01:57:53.016
Bayside Council solar panel assets which

01:57:53.040 --> 01:57:54.936
are located on the Cheltenham Recreation

01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:57.175
Reserve Pavilion.

01:57:57.199 --> 01:57:59.095
The Cheltenham Football Net Club estimates

01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:00.615
that two to three golf balls are

01:58:00.639 --> 01:58:02.615
entering the Cheltenham Recreation Reserve

01:58:02.639 --> 01:58:05.496
every day. It is not a question of if,

01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:08.056
but when. Please,

01:58:08.080 --> 01:58:09.896
our players, members, and supporters

01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:11.575
deserve a safe environment in which to

01:58:11.599 --> 01:58:13.416
play, train, and grow. We are not

01:58:13.440 --> 01:58:15.655
seeking blame

01:58:15.679 --> 01:58:18.135
only collaboration, action and support

01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.695
from Bayside Council to protect our

01:58:20.719 --> 01:58:22.215
community and mitigate the potential

01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.135
legal risk if someone became seriously

01:58:24.159 --> 01:58:27.159
injured. A club has concerns that the

01:58:27.199 --> 01:58:30.135
proposed $8.9 million of safety works

01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:32.215
might not be carried out and even if

01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:34.135
they are will they stop the errand golf

01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:36.536
balls.

01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:38.376
The whole process seems very rushed and

01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:40.135
we asking Bayside Council undertake

01:58:40.159 --> 01:58:42.296
further investigations before issuing a

01:58:42.320 --> 01:58:44.215
21-year lease so a practical and

01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:45.736
effective solution can be found

01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:47.896
regarding our safety concerns. Thank you

01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:49.816
for your time and for considering this

01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:50.936
important matter.

01:58:50.960 --> 01:58:52.536
Thank you, Mr. Graham. Do we have any

01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:54.615
questions, Councelor Eric, please go

01:58:54.639 --> 01:58:55.655
ahead.

01:58:55.679 --> 01:58:58.679
, thank you for that presentation.

01:58:59.440 --> 01:59:02.440
Let's assume that this Sorry. If we

01:59:03.040 --> 01:59:05.575
assume that this um safety issue could

01:59:05.599 --> 01:59:06.615
be mitigated.

01:59:06.639 --> 01:59:07.016
Yeah.

01:59:07.040 --> 01:59:09.256
By the Cheltenham Golf Club with perhaps as

01:59:09.280 --> 01:59:12.280
I understand it, it's on the fifth hole.

01:59:12.320 --> 01:59:12.776
Yes.

01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.615
That's the concern. If it could be

01:59:14.639 --> 01:59:17.336
reconfigured in some way to ameliate the

01:59:17.360 --> 01:59:19.896
risk that you talk about,

01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:22.615
would that change your view?

01:59:22.639 --> 01:59:24.615
Yes, definitely. Yeah, that's our only

01:59:24.639 --> 01:59:27.416
concern is the safety of the club.

01:59:27.440 --> 01:59:28.776
Thank you. We got a question from

01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:31.016
Council Lee and then Council Arley.

01:59:31.040 --> 01:59:34.040
Yeah. Um Mr. Graeme, um, have you had,

01:59:34.480 --> 01:59:37.256
um, in recent times discussions about

01:59:37.280 --> 01:59:39.496
what what Cheltenham Golf Club are

01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:41.575
proposing? And as if you read the

01:59:41.599 --> 01:59:43.416
documentations where they talk about the

01:59:43.440 --> 01:59:45.496
different , the different holes and

01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:47.816
the differences whole five, you know,

01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:49.736
part five. Sorry. I'm not a golfer, by

01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:52.695
the way. So my wife is I was hopeless.

01:59:52.719 --> 01:59:54.776
So I'm just wondering have you had in

01:59:54.800 --> 01:59:57.336
the last few weeks discussions about all

01:59:57.360 --> 02:00:00.056
of these issues affecting your club with

02:00:00.080 --> 02:00:02.776
Cheltenham Golf Club and what what did they

02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:05.336
say to you in respect of what they're

02:00:05.360 --> 02:00:06.296
proposing to do?

02:00:06.320 --> 02:00:08.135
Not me personally but members of our

02:00:08.159 --> 02:00:10.615
club have had meetings and discussions

02:00:10.639 --> 02:00:13.095
with Chelman Golf Club about our

02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:13.896
concerns. Yeah.

02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:14.615
Okay.

02:00:14.639 --> 02:00:17.016
Thank you. Councelor Hockley, please go

02:00:17.040 --> 02:00:18.135
ahead.

02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:19.496
Chris, thanks for coming along and

02:00:19.520 --> 02:00:21.736
thanks for your presentation. I so from

02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:23.896
as I understand your answer to councelor

02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.215
Eric's question

02:00:26.239 --> 02:00:29.239
um the the concern um of the club and I

02:00:30.480 --> 02:00:32.456
think I heard this from Adam King as

02:00:32.480 --> 02:00:34.695
well recently when I spoke to him

02:00:34.719 --> 02:00:37.175
that your principal

02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:38.456
 your principal interest is in

02:00:38.480 --> 02:00:40.936
ensuring the safety and well-being  of

02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:43.960
players and and people  in your club

02:00:44.080 --> 02:00:45.896
and property damage and all that sort of

02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:48.920
stuff. So am I to take it then that you

02:00:49.280 --> 02:00:51.256
have not been the club has not been part

02:00:51.280 --> 02:00:53.416
of the process of working with Victoria

02:00:53.440 --> 02:00:56.440
club, Victoria Golf Club  in the

02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:59.800
development of the the master plan that

02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:02.920
they are are looking to promote at some

02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.655
stage in the future?

02:01:05.679 --> 02:01:07.416
Um no we haven't been part of the

02:01:07.440 --> 02:01:09.175
process at all. We we're aware of it.

02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.575
We've met with um Victoria Golf Club as

02:01:11.599 --> 02:01:14.376
with all parties and discussions.

02:01:14.400 --> 02:01:15.655
You haven't have you contributed to it

02:01:15.679 --> 02:01:17.016
at all?

02:01:17.040 --> 02:01:20.040
I've suggest I've made suggestion to um

02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:21.736
at the meeting with Victoria Golf Club

02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:23.655
as I have with Chan Golf Course as well.

02:01:23.679 --> 02:01:26.376
Same suggestions. Cool. Our concerns.

02:01:26.400 --> 02:01:27.816
Thank you. Any further questions?

02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:29.016
Council of Da Hanss.

02:01:29.040 --> 02:01:31.736
Just a quick question. Um why was that

02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.215
new the net ball court the new court

02:01:34.239 --> 02:01:35.976
built right next to the golf course

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:37.896
there where there isn't the cyclone

02:01:37.920 --> 02:01:40.135
fencing and where there's a handful of

02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:42.056
trees and I understand a tree was taken

02:01:42.080 --> 02:01:44.135
down as well to get that caught in. Yes.

02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:47.159
Why was Why there? was the only sizable

02:01:47.280 --> 02:01:48.856
space to fit a nipple ball court in the

02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:51.655
whole of Chel Recreation Reserve.

02:01:51.679 --> 02:01:54.456
Thank you. Okay, councel Lee. And I'd

02:01:54.480 --> 02:01:56.056
like to ask the chamber just to remain

02:01:56.080 --> 02:01:58.695
quiet so we can hear the answers. Um M

02:01:58.719 --> 02:02:00.296
Mr. Graeme, I'm just wondering about the

02:02:00.320 --> 02:02:03.320
Nepal courts. Um I'm ass I assume my my

02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:07.256
knowledge was that the suburban rail

02:02:07.280 --> 02:02:09.896
loop actually gave them the money to

02:02:09.920 --> 02:02:11.976
actually build build this facility

02:02:12.000 --> 02:02:14.376
there. And if we hadn't actually got it

02:02:14.400 --> 02:02:16.536
done very quickly, we were about to lose

02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:18.135
the money because of the time that went

02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:19.095
on. Is that correct?

02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:20.936
Yes, that's correct. Yeah.

02:02:20.960 --> 02:02:23.016
Suburban rail loop actually was donating

02:02:23.040 --> 02:02:25.496
money outside the suburban rail loop for

02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:27.416
a long thing like this.

02:02:27.440 --> 02:02:29.175
Yeah. There's no funding from Bayside

02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:32.199
Council from Bendigo Bank, the club and

02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:34.695
also Suburban Rail Loop.

02:02:34.719 --> 02:02:36.376
If there's no further questions, I'll

02:02:36.400 --> 02:02:38.936
ask on Mr. Chris Gonzalez, please come

02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:41.960
forward and you may take a seat. And 

02:02:42.480 --> 02:02:44.936
Chris is on behalf of Bayside Argonauts

02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:47.960
Football Club.

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Good evening all.  thank you for your

02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:53.000
time. Um the Basad Argonauts soccer club

02:02:54.239 --> 02:02:56.135
is the winter tenant at Shipston

02:02:56.159 --> 02:02:58.776
Reserve. Um Shipston Reserve is flanked

02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:01.800
on two sides by Chelman Golf Club. Our

02:03:02.080 --> 02:03:04.056
ground can be accessed via Crawford

02:03:04.080 --> 02:03:07.080
Street and Victoria Avenue. Um, a club's

02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.615
home to players of all ages, from kids

02:03:10.639 --> 02:03:12.615
taking their first kick to adults who

02:03:12.639 --> 02:03:14.135
have been part of the community for

02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:15.655
decades.

02:03:15.679 --> 02:03:17.256
Like all community sporting

02:03:17.280 --> 02:03:19.976
organizations, it's not about kicking a

02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:21.256
ball. It's about bringing people

02:03:21.280 --> 02:03:23.736
together, building relationships, and

02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:25.976
keeping  people active and happy.

02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:29.000
We've got 270 registered players, 44% of

02:03:30.400 --> 02:03:33.400
which are female. Um and this year again

02:03:34.000 --> 02:03:36.456
we've had to knock back  junior and

02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:38.615
senior players and adopt a waiting list

02:03:38.639 --> 02:03:41.575
for those looking to join. Um we are

02:03:41.599 --> 02:03:44.599
restricted obviously um with the size of

02:03:44.639 --> 02:03:47.639
shipton reserve. Um we do find golf

02:03:48.320 --> 02:03:50.135
balls on our pitches but we certainly

02:03:50.159 --> 02:03:53.159
don't have the same um degree of safety

02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:56.520
issues that the football club has. Um we

02:03:57.599 --> 02:03:59.976
are a winter tenant at at Shipston. So

02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:03.000
we only have um access for 6 months. Um

02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.695
but we are at a significant disadvantage

02:04:06.719 --> 02:04:08.936
against other clubs that have 12 month

02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:11.960
facilities outside of Bayside. So during

02:04:12.320 --> 02:04:14.936
our  summer months when we're not the

02:04:14.960 --> 02:04:17.336
tenant of Shipston, we are  going

02:04:17.360 --> 02:04:18.936
outside of Bayside and paying

02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:20.695
significant amounts of money to access

02:04:20.719 --> 02:04:22.296
fields

02:04:22.320 --> 02:04:25.320
um and  grounds. So right now if if

02:04:27.040 --> 02:04:30.040
this precinct is um up for debate in

02:04:30.320 --> 02:04:33.320
terms of what's the best use um of of

02:04:33.599 --> 02:04:36.536
the whole precinct of of the whole land

02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:38.536
I think rather than rushing into a a

02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:41.560
long-term lease agreement um a

02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:43.976
discussion about what are the 

02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:47.000
alternatives um is is warranted um it's

02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:49.256
not just for soccer it could be for

02:04:49.280 --> 02:04:52.280
cricket net other activities

02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:55.256
um I guess the way the site is at the

02:04:55.280 --> 02:04:57.575
moment there are restrictions about who

02:04:57.599 --> 02:05:00.215
can use it and how they can use it. Um

02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:03.239
if you visit shipston reserve  now

02:05:03.679 --> 02:05:05.976
you'll see that that due to the overuse

02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:09.000
it is in um you know the grounds are

02:05:09.440 --> 02:05:12.440
pretty  heavy and and on match days

02:05:12.719 --> 02:05:15.016
with with the people there's quite a few

02:05:15.040 --> 02:05:16.615
um

02:05:16.639 --> 02:05:18.456
 issues with parking. So

02:05:18.480 --> 02:05:21.175
thank you Mr. Casares. Um any questions

02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:24.199
we have councelor Hockley?

02:05:25.440 --> 02:05:26.695
Chris, I'm going to ask you the same

02:05:26.719 --> 02:05:29.719
question. Um in the discussions that led

02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:32.056
to you being part one of the petitioners

02:05:32.080 --> 02:05:35.080
with Victoria Golf Club, um what  what

02:05:36.719 --> 02:05:37.736
do you want to get out of it? What does

02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:38.776
your club want to get out of that

02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:39.655
process?

02:05:39.679 --> 02:05:42.679
Look, I was I was made aware um not at

02:05:43.040 --> 02:05:44.615
the outset. More recently, the club

02:05:44.639 --> 02:05:46.456
asked me to to represent the club's

02:05:46.480 --> 02:05:49.480
interests. Um there is a a thin wedge of

02:05:49.920 --> 02:05:51.736
land between Shipston Reserve and the

02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:53.736
football club. I've played the golf

02:05:53.760 --> 02:05:55.496
course. I know there are issues with

02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:57.416
balls, you know, going into houses and

02:05:57.440 --> 02:06:00.135
and and and clubs.

02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:02.695
If somehow, you know, the golf course

02:06:02.719 --> 02:06:04.456
can be reconfigured and and some of that

02:06:04.480 --> 02:06:06.536
land can be opened up to public use, you

02:06:06.560 --> 02:06:08.615
know, obviously we would have interest

02:06:08.639 --> 02:06:11.639
in in in in that.

02:06:11.920 --> 02:06:13.416
Thank you. Any further questions?

02:06:13.440 --> 02:06:15.256
Councelor Herit.

02:06:15.280 --> 02:06:16.776
 thank you very much. Could you tell

02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.800
us what date when you were first advised

02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:23.159
to come on board as a um petitioner?

02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:27.560
3 4 weeks ago.

02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:29.816
Okay. Any further questions?

02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:31.256
The club The club may have been

02:06:31.280 --> 02:06:33.175
notified. I'm the past president. The

02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:35.575
club may have been aware earlier, but I

02:06:35.599 --> 02:06:37.575
was asked personally to get involved

02:06:37.599 --> 02:06:40.456
about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

02:06:40.480 --> 02:06:42.615
I got a question. I heard from you that

02:06:42.639 --> 02:06:45.639
your membership is 44% female. Now, what

02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:48.776
about the overall membership percentage

02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:51.655
of them Bayside residents? Do you know?

02:06:51.679 --> 02:06:53.496
, I don't have that information on

02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:56.376
hand, but it would be reasonably high. I

02:06:56.400 --> 02:06:58.296
know that the local primary schools,

02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:01.016
Black Rockck Primary, is very heavily

02:07:01.040 --> 02:07:04.040
represented across our junior teams.

02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:06.456
Thank you. Okay, you may take your seat.

02:07:06.480 --> 02:07:08.536
And I'm calling on Mr. Robert Savage on

02:07:08.560 --> 02:07:10.215
behalf of Victoria Golf Club to come

02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:13.239
forward.

02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:23.496
Good evening, Mayor and counselors.

02:07:23.520 --> 02:07:26.215
My name is Robert Savage. I'm a Bayside

02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:28.296
resident for 47 years and the president

02:07:28.320 --> 02:07:30.776
of Victoria Golf Club.

02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:32.376
Tonight, I'm speaking in relation to

02:07:32.400 --> 02:07:34.215
Cheltenham Golf Club and its place within

02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:35.896
our community.

02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:37.816
The neighboring Victoria Golf Club with

02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:40.840
over 80% or over 800 of its playing

02:07:41.199 --> 02:07:44.199
members live within Bayside.

02:07:44.480 --> 02:07:46.296
The club has made it clear its desire

02:07:46.320 --> 02:07:48.296
for the site's primary use to remain as

02:07:48.320 --> 02:07:50.296
golf, including the existence of Cheltenham

02:07:50.320 --> 02:07:53.095
Golf Club. However, there are areas of

02:07:53.119 --> 02:07:54.856
the Cheltenham site that are no longer

02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:57.256
suitable for golf and those areas should

02:07:57.280 --> 02:07:58.856
be better utilized for the benefit of

02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:01.655
the broader Bayside community.

02:08:01.679 --> 02:08:04.376
I urge council to ensure a transparent

02:08:04.400 --> 02:08:07.336
and open process is followed in

02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:09.816
reappointing the lease. This is the only

02:08:09.840 --> 02:08:11.496
way to guarantee that the use of the

02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:13.496
important public land reflects the

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:15.175
interest of the entire Bayside

02:08:15.199 --> 02:08:17.416
community. Thank you.

02:08:17.440 --> 02:08:19.496
Thank you, Mr. Savage. Any questions to

02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:21.655
the speaker?

02:08:21.679 --> 02:08:23.575
Council, you got a question. Please go

02:08:23.599 --> 02:08:24.856
ahead.

02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:25.976
Thank you very much for that

02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:27.816
presentation.  I know you say that

02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:30.376
there are areas at Cheltenhamham Golf 

02:08:30.400 --> 02:08:32.456
course that are not fit for golf. How

02:08:32.480 --> 02:08:35.480
would you respond to the members and the

02:08:35.679 --> 02:08:37.095
people who play golf who are quite

02:08:37.119 --> 02:08:39.095
satisfied and they're the ones playing

02:08:39.119 --> 02:08:40.135
on it?

02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:42.135
Yeah, priMurrayly I'm talking about a

02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:45.159
safety issue. So the area towards you

02:08:46.079 --> 02:08:47.896
know the fifth hole down towards Weather

02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:48.936
Road.

02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:50.695
And what would your response be if they

02:08:50.719 --> 02:08:53.416
could mitigate that?

02:08:53.440 --> 02:08:56.440
Ah, it it's going to be well

02:08:56.719 --> 02:08:58.776
the mitigation I I haven't seen any of

02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:00.695
the reports around the mitigation. If it

02:09:00.719 --> 02:09:03.719
can be mitigated, I to what level I

02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:04.936
would question.

02:09:04.960 --> 02:09:07.336
I understand you're concerned about the

02:09:07.360 --> 02:09:09.496
fifth at Cheltenham creating a safety

02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:12.055
hazard. What about the safety hazard?

02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:14.296
How do you respond to people who might

02:09:14.320 --> 02:09:15.736
claim that there's a safety hazard at

02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:18.695
Victoria with balls going onto the main

02:09:18.719 --> 02:09:21.719
road and hitting Park Road? Yeah, I

02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:23.655
understand that.

02:09:23.679 --> 02:09:26.679
So that that's you know

02:09:28.239 --> 02:09:31.239
so how do we reconcile that?

02:09:31.360 --> 02:09:33.575
We have protection against our boundary

02:09:33.599 --> 02:09:35.416
down there that is significant with the

02:09:35.440 --> 02:09:38.440
trees. Um we are currently

02:09:39.599 --> 02:09:42.055
 planning for the time where those

02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.575
trees will no longer be part of the

02:09:43.599 --> 02:09:46.055
course because they're nearly 100 years

02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:47.896
old. Now

02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.856
we  are going through a process to

02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:53.880
either reorganize our course or erect

02:09:55.599 --> 02:09:58.599
 netting that is as tall or if not

02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:01.575
taller than the current.

02:10:01.599 --> 02:10:02.936
Thank you. One more question.

02:10:02.960 --> 02:10:05.256
I understand you're

02:10:05.280 --> 02:10:08.055
engaged in mitigation measures. As I

02:10:08.079 --> 02:10:09.896
understand it and we've heard that 

02:10:09.920 --> 02:10:12.055
Cheltenham is engaged in looking at

02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:14.215
proposal for mitigation at the fifth. So

02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:16.215
that would probably mirror your efforts

02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:18.536
at Victoria. So again, h how do you

02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:21.560
reconcile that you you come that it's

02:10:21.679 --> 02:10:23.655
not fit for golf on the basis of safety?

02:10:23.679 --> 02:10:25.336
They're mitigating. Others might say the

02:10:25.360 --> 02:10:27.256
Victoria Golf Club's not safe not fit

02:10:27.280 --> 02:10:28.936
for golf because of safety issues onto

02:10:28.960 --> 02:10:31.416
Park Road where we know there's been

02:10:31.440 --> 02:10:34.296
damage to to property and perhaps people

02:10:34.320 --> 02:10:37.095
I don't know. So how to reconcile that?

02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.336
Well, I understand it's a challenge for

02:10:39.360 --> 02:10:41.575
golf full stop when we have boundary

02:10:41.599 --> 02:10:43.575
issues. One of the biggest challenges is

02:10:43.599 --> 02:10:46.599
that golf equipment and humans have got

02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:49.816
bigger. The ball goes further, it goes

02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:51.175
higher, it goes straighter. We've got

02:10:51.199 --> 02:10:54.199
more people playing golf that um  you

02:10:55.199 --> 02:10:56.936
know are new to the game and can't

02:10:56.960 --> 02:10:59.960
control what actually happens. So I

02:11:00.320 --> 02:11:01.816
understand what you're saying. All the

02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:03.976
reports that I have seen and been privy

02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:05.816
to, not from Chelman Golf Club, but

02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:07.496
trajectory reports say that you need

02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:10.520
nearly 70 m between  the center line

02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:13.016
of a fairway and

02:11:13.040 --> 02:11:16.040
um and a boundary. So that area down at

02:11:16.719 --> 02:11:19.256
the base of Weather or Road has two

02:11:19.280 --> 02:11:20.936
holes in it.

02:11:20.960 --> 02:11:21.816
Thank you.

02:11:21.840 --> 02:11:23.416
Thank you, Mr. Savage. I got a question

02:11:23.440 --> 02:11:26.135
from Councelor Hockley first and then

02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:29.159
we'll go to you, Deputy.  Robert um

02:11:29.840 --> 02:11:31.736
noting your comment about um just

02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:34.760
wanting a transparent process

02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:36.776
um around this what's not transparent

02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:38.296
about the process we're going through as

02:11:38.320 --> 02:11:41.175
you said.

02:11:41.199 --> 02:11:44.199
So my understanding is when when leases

02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:47.655
are proposed that usually goes out and

02:11:47.679 --> 02:11:50.296
has a consultation or it is put out to

02:11:50.320 --> 02:11:52.615
the wider community to invite interest.

02:11:52.639 --> 02:11:54.536
That's what's happened. It's what that's

02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:54.856
what

02:11:54.880 --> 02:11:57.880
so is council inviting um other

02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:00.536
tenderers to respond to the lease.

02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:01.896
Well, we're inviting the public to

02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:03.496
consult. I'm not here to answer your

02:12:03.520 --> 02:12:04.936
question.

02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:06.536
We'll probably get clarification later

02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:08.776
on from the officers on this.

02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:11.336
 we'll get the question from you

02:12:11.360 --> 02:12:12.615
councelor lines.

02:12:12.639 --> 02:12:15.016
Um thank you Mr. Savage. Can you just

02:12:15.040 --> 02:12:17.336
I'm a bit confused. How's the fifth hole

02:12:17.360 --> 02:12:20.215
down towards Weatherall Road impacting

02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:22.376
Victoria Golf Club which is way up the

02:12:22.400 --> 02:12:24.456
other side of the night. That hole that

02:12:24.480 --> 02:12:26.376
hole isn't impacting our safety.

02:12:26.400 --> 02:12:28.615
Yeah. So why have you made reference to

02:12:28.639 --> 02:12:31.639
it? Like it it sounds like you're saying

02:12:32.480 --> 02:12:34.695
it's impacting Victoria Golf Club. No,

02:12:34.719 --> 02:12:36.135
the the question that was asked before

02:12:36.159 --> 02:12:38.615
was in relation to what areas are not

02:12:38.639 --> 02:12:40.936
suitable for golf and I'm saying that

02:12:40.960 --> 02:12:43.416
was in response that was my answer.

02:12:43.440 --> 02:12:46.215
Where it is an issue for our boundary is

02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:48.536
the holes around 8 and nine.

02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:50.936
Have they changed those holes at 8 and 9

02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:52.856
in the last 20 years that you've

02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:54.695
coexisted

02:12:54.719 --> 02:12:56.856
on on each other's boundary? What's

02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:59.095
changed? I know technology has come

02:12:59.119 --> 02:13:01.575
along a bit with the clubs but um what's

02:13:01.599 --> 02:13:04.296
changed that it's now suddenly a huge

02:13:04.320 --> 02:13:05.816
issue.

02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:08.776
 there's there's been tree removal

02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:10.215
on which on who side?

02:13:10.239 --> 02:13:11.016
On our side?

02:13:11.040 --> 02:13:12.135
On your side.

02:13:12.159 --> 02:13:14.135
Yeah.

02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:17.159
So just to clarify the trees that were

02:13:17.599 --> 02:13:20.296
removed were due to storm damage

02:13:20.320 --> 02:13:22.215
priMurrayly.

02:13:22.239 --> 02:13:24.215
Okay. Please please we we need to

02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:27.239
continue this item. Um, councelor Murray,

02:13:27.920 --> 02:13:30.920
thank you. Um, so the Victorian um, golf

02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:34.296
club has a proposal or , to take over

02:13:34.320 --> 02:13:36.135
the operation of Chilton Golf Club. Is

02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:37.175
that what you're interested in

02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:39.416
essentially?

02:13:39.440 --> 02:13:41.816
No, we've simply asked for a a process

02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:43.256
where it goes out to tender,

02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:44.776
but your club would be keen

02:13:44.800 --> 02:13:45.816
to respond to that. Yes,

02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:48.776
respond to that. And have you sort of

02:13:48.800 --> 02:13:51.175
drafted any plans in terms of you must

02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:53.816
anticipate um, what you might do with

02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:55.655
that land? Would you We've come up with

02:13:55.679 --> 02:13:57.496
concept that's been presented at

02:13:57.520 --> 02:13:58.536
previous council.

02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:00.776
Yes. And would it reduce essentially the

02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:03.175
playing size or playing area rather

02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:04.695
children? Yes.

02:14:04.719 --> 02:14:06.936
And in percentage wise, can you say how

02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:09.960
much um that

02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:13.256
and um would there be a driving range or

02:14:13.280 --> 02:14:14.055
something similar that

02:14:14.079 --> 02:14:16.296
that was in our proposal?

02:14:16.320 --> 02:14:19.320
Um is that a profitable sort of concern?

02:14:19.599 --> 02:14:22.135
Commercial.

02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:23.816
 what is the joining fee for your

02:14:23.840 --> 02:14:25.336
club?

02:14:25.360 --> 02:14:28.055
 approximately 25,000

02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:29.416
and then there's an annual fee on top of

02:14:29.440 --> 02:14:29.816
that.

02:14:29.840 --> 02:14:30.615
Correct.

02:14:30.639 --> 02:14:32.055
Do you know do you have any idea of what

02:14:32.079 --> 02:14:34.296
the children golf club charges?

02:14:34.320 --> 02:14:36.776
 around 2,800.

02:14:36.800 --> 02:14:37.095
Okay.

02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.016
For a 9hole facility

02:14:39.040 --> 02:14:40.296
and annual fee

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for a 7-day menu.

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That's what's on the website.

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The latest speaker from Chel.

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[Music]

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Thank you.

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Just we'll let councelor Mar finish

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councel and then to you. Thank you. Um,

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any further questions, councelor Murray?

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Just one further question.

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There seem to be some suggestion that

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um, were Victorian Golf Club to take

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over the operation of Cheltenham Golf Club

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that there would be some wider community

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benefit. Um, how

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so we've suggested a couple of things in

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the plan. One is the release of that

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land down near the other sporting clubs

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and the other in the plan was um 

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connecting boarding walking tracks

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through the um through the facility

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and would that be paid for by council or

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so we we'd be looking at funding that

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okay thank you council mar council you

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got a question No.

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Question to the officers.

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A point of order correction.

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No.

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As I understand it, a joining fee of

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25,000 as opposed to a joining fee of

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$450 to $500, not 2,800. That's my

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understanding.

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Thank you, Councelor Eric. Councelor

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Macintosh, you got a question. Just to

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add to councelor Erlic's earlier

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question around safety of  the fifth

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pole of Cheltenham. I understand also

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that there are concerns around the

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safety of the 14th hole of Victoria and

02:16:18.480 --> 02:16:20.615
we're aware not just of Park Road but

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residents along Weatherall Road that

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suffer ball strikes fairly regularly,

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including one resident's roof that did

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need to be replaced as a consequence of

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 damage of golf balls coming from

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Victoria Golf Club a number of years

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ago. Could you comment on the 14th hole

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mitigations around safety with that?

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 you may be referring to the 13th

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hole.

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Yeah.

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 the Yeah, I don't think it'll be the

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14th. It'll be the 13th. But anyway, the

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hole that runs along Weather Road, I

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think maybe we'll describe it as that.

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 we we have the same issue there that

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we have on holes two and three.

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So, we're going through a process to um

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to address the removal of those trees

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and replacement either via rerouting or

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via um netting, commercial netting.

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Thank you. I got a question from you,

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councelor.

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Just just to clarify, Victoria Golf

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Club, is that owned by the members or is

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it the land leased?

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Owned by members.

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It's owned. They own the

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the club. The club does.

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The club owns the entity. Yeah. Thank

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you. Thank you. Okay, councilors, I

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believe that's enough questions for you.

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Mr. Savage, you may take a seat.

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Thank you.

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And  before I continue, I'm advised

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that some of the introduction to this

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item was not picked up on the recording.

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So for the viewers at home, I would

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again like to acknowledge the

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considerable interest in this item,

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including the numerous informal

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statements that have been received via

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council's general inquiries service and

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other channels which have been made

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available to councilors. In addition,

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there were four written statements

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received from Mr. Chris Graham on behalf

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of Cheltenhamham Football Club, Mr. Troy

02:18:12.080 --> 02:18:15.080
Nicholson, Mr. Warel Renie, and Mr.

02:18:15.439 --> 02:18:18.439
Philip Choco. I also understand the

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speakers who are for the recommendation

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wish to vary the order of speakers so

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that Mr. Sam Harg Graves speaks first

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followed by the other remaining listed

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speakers. So thank you. Can I ask for

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Mr. Hargraves please to approach the

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speaker table?

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Thank you.

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And you're ready, Mr. Star Grace.

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Thank you, counselors. There's a big

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difference between a golf course and a

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community golf club, and that's what

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Cheltenham is. It's a community club. It's

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a people's club. A recent day at Cheltenham

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showed me the difference. And this is a

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club that means so much to so many

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people. I arrived as one of the 12

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community groups who used the club to

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meet, was finishing up for the day. As I

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walked out onto the fairway, I asked

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both my playing partners, "What does

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this club mean to you?" They both said,

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"This is home." One of them whose wife

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died 12 years ago said this is the place

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that he feels most at home now. This is

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the only social life that he has. He's

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at the club most days and does a great

02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:23.976
job for it. The other said this is a

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place I always feel like I belong. He's

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a gay man in his 50s. Hasn't always felt

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that sense of belonging in his life, but

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when he came out in the '90s, the

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Cheltenhamham Golf Club wrapped its arms

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around him. Across the fairways, I see

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three groups of four teenagers. They had

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the day off school. Instead of roaming

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the streets, getting into trouble or

02:19:40.240 --> 02:19:41.575
being in front of a screen, they're at

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Cheltenham Golf Club playing in their best

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golf gear, laughing, cheering, repairing

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their divots, fixing up their pitch

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marks as well, taking pride in the

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course. Because for just over 10 bucks a

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week, they can afford to be members of

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the Cheltenham Golf Club, where they

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don't only learn how to play golf, but

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how to be golfers. Etiquette, respect

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for the course, the club, and others all

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go hand in hand. One of these kids might

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end up being the next Matty Griffin, a

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two-time Order of Merit winner. Or they

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may even be the next Jeff Oggovy, one of

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only two golf major winners from

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Victoria. They, along with several other

02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:15.479
pros, started as kids at Cheltenham. I

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then looked at the clubhouse and saw a

02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:19.335
wait taking place for a member who died

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in her 90s. She wanted to say her final

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goodbyes at the club she loved,

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surrounded by the people she loved. That

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was all in one day. I joined Shelton 2

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years ago. No exorbitant membership

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fees, no exorbitant joining fees. I fell

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in love with the place. I moved my

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family to Cheltenham. I raised my two boys

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in Cheltenham. My little boy comes up

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every Friday night to put and practice,

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to run around. All the members know him

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by name. They spoil him with cheezels

02:20:42.240 --> 02:20:44.136
and twisties. We hope we can do that as

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a family for many more years to come.

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There's a perception that golf is just

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for the rich. And without Cheltenham Golf

02:20:49.120 --> 02:20:50.616
Club in this area, that perception

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becomes a reality. Affordability is one

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of the biggest factors in preventing

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people from playing golf. But not at

02:20:56.479 --> 02:20:57.816
Cheltenham. There's a big difference

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between a golf course and a golf club.

02:21:00.640 --> 02:21:03.016
And this at Cheltenham Golf Club in a 95

02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:04.696
year history is a place where people

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come to belong and long should it

02:21:06.800 --> 02:21:09.800
continue. Thank you

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Hopper. You got a question?

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That's a hard act to follow. Sam,

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you almost make me want to play golf.

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Well, you're more than welcome at

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Cheltenham anytime.

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I do go for a stroll across the course

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every now and then. night work around

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the corner. So, , so it is a very nice

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part of the world. But, um, in all

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seriousness, the question that I think,

02:21:36.399 --> 02:21:39.096
, a lot of people here have come to

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try and get some glimpse of the answer

02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:44.760
to is how do we fix this safety issue

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because it's clear that um, Cheltenham

02:21:48.640 --> 02:21:51.576
Football Club um, the Bayside Argonauts,

02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:53.976
the Cheltenham Cricket Club all have

02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:57.000
issues with flying golf balls. put aside

02:21:57.200 --> 02:21:58.455
whatever the issues might be with

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Victoria because that doesn't matter.

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The issue is here whilst tonight is not

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the is not about making the decision to

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renew the lease. It's about going out to

02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:11.496
consult about renewing the lease. There

02:22:11.520 --> 02:22:13.415
needs to be some satisfaction on the

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part of the people who will make that

02:22:14.960 --> 02:22:15.976
decision

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that this issue will be genuinely

02:22:17.760 --> 02:22:19.335
addressed and that you will make the

02:22:19.359 --> 02:22:22.136
sacrifices necessary

02:22:22.160 --> 02:22:24.056
um to deliver for the community. in that

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regard.

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I'm not sure what the question is that

02:22:27.120 --> 02:22:27.896
you're asking me, but I'm

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How you going how you going to

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guarantee?

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Am I going to do it?

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How are you going to get the club going

02:22:31.359 --> 02:22:32.616
to guarantee that that will get done?

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Well, I don't speak on behalf of the

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club. I speak for the club in this

02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:38.375
matter as a member of the club. I'm a

02:22:38.399 --> 02:22:40.056
golf commentator, sports commentator,

02:22:40.080 --> 02:22:41.576
broadcaster. So, I leave the engineering

02:22:41.600 --> 02:22:43.496
stuff to the engineers, but when I ask

02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:45.496
the club, what are we doing to mitigate

02:22:45.520 --> 02:22:47.576
very genuine concerns from the Cheltenham

02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:50.455
football club and cricket club? They're

02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:52.375
telling me that we are undertaking a

02:22:52.399 --> 02:22:54.616
consultation process. We're looking at

02:22:54.640 --> 02:22:56.856
quotes. We're getting  engineering

02:22:56.880 --> 02:22:58.696
reports on what can we do, what are the

02:22:58.720 --> 02:23:00.776
options that we have, whether we lower

02:23:00.800 --> 02:23:03.800
our tea box, is it netting, what is it?

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Well, that's what they're doing at the

02:23:05.600 --> 02:23:06.616
moment. They're trying to find the

02:23:06.640 --> 02:23:08.536
answers to those questions. And that's

02:23:08.560 --> 02:23:09.976
what any good club with any good

02:23:10.000 --> 02:23:11.976
governance does. And we just heard that

02:23:12.000 --> 02:23:13.335
Victoria have got similar issues and

02:23:13.359 --> 02:23:15.896
they're doing similar things. So, um, we

02:23:15.920 --> 02:23:17.736
hope that we can come to an agreement

02:23:17.760 --> 02:23:19.816
sooner rather than later and get that

02:23:19.840 --> 02:23:22.455
fixed up and everybody can coexist in

02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:23.656
perfect harmony.

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Another question, councelor Huckley.

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Yeah, just and just on that, I mean, I

02:23:26.720 --> 02:23:29.720
think the um the issue then becomes how

02:23:30.560 --> 02:23:33.560
do we um how do we as a council make a

02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:36.760
decision um that is u both transparent

02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:40.280
around um what what alternatives we

02:23:40.880 --> 02:23:43.335
considered, but what what guarantees can

02:23:43.359 --> 02:23:45.896
be put in place around getting to the

02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.920
outcome that we need. I mean, I I hear

02:23:49.120 --> 02:23:50.136
what you're saying. I know you're not

02:23:50.160 --> 02:23:52.375
the the necessarily the right person.

02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:54.936
Perhaps it'll be the next speaker. Um

02:23:54.960 --> 02:23:56.536
but these are these are things that we

02:23:56.560 --> 02:23:59.560
need to be very sure about. Um and the

02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:01.415
other I guess the the other part of the

02:24:01.439 --> 02:24:03.176
question is

02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:06.200
why do you need 21 years to do that a 21

02:24:06.479 --> 02:24:08.776
year lease to do that

02:24:08.800 --> 02:24:11.800
to do to get that to get that work done?

02:24:12.000 --> 02:24:13.415
I don't think anyone's saying that it's

02:24:13.439 --> 02:24:15.016
going to take us 21 years to do it. I

02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.016
just think that people want the 95 year

02:24:17.040 --> 02:24:19.176
history of the Cheltenham Golf Club to

02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:21.415
continue. It's a it's a rich golf club.

02:24:21.439 --> 02:24:23.016
It's a it's a club worth celebrating.

02:24:23.040 --> 02:24:25.176
There's models around the world that say

02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:27.656
that the best way to run a golf course,

02:24:27.680 --> 02:24:29.736
especially in areas like Bayside, is a

02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:31.576
combination of private and public. It's

02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:33.576
exactly what Cheltenham offer. And

02:24:33.600 --> 02:24:35.176
there's very few that do it. There's

02:24:35.200 --> 02:24:36.936
land grabs going on all over the state

02:24:36.960 --> 02:24:38.536
at the moment. There are affordable golf

02:24:38.560 --> 02:24:40.936
clubs closing down here, there, and

02:24:40.960 --> 02:24:42.936
everywhere for other people's benefit

02:24:42.960 --> 02:24:44.856
and other people's profit. And where do

02:24:44.880 --> 02:24:47.656
those golfers go? What do they then do?

02:24:47.680 --> 02:24:49.656
As I said before, golf isn't just for

02:24:49.680 --> 02:24:51.415
the rich. It shouldn't just be elite

02:24:51.439 --> 02:24:53.335
exclusive clubs that have their place

02:24:53.359 --> 02:24:56.216
and then only payto-play

02:24:56.240 --> 02:24:58.056
public courses. There has to be an in

02:24:58.080 --> 02:25:00.295
between and that's what the Cheltenham

02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:02.856
Golf Club is. It's the in between.

02:25:02.880 --> 02:25:05.880
Thank you Mr. Hargra.  I'm probably

02:25:06.240 --> 02:25:08.295
going to call on the next speaker and

02:25:08.319 --> 02:25:11.319
that is Mr. Gary Stone on behalf of Bay

02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:14.056
Morris Bay Provice to come forward. You

02:25:14.080 --> 02:25:15.256
may take your seat.

02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:17.166
Thank you everyone.

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[Applause]

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor and counselors. My

02:25:27.280 --> 02:25:29.496
name is Gary Strawn and I am president

02:25:29.520 --> 02:25:32.375
of the Bow Morris Bay Provice Club and

02:25:32.399 --> 02:25:34.136
I'm here to support the Cheltenham Golf

02:25:34.160 --> 02:25:37.016
Club's application for a new lease. Our

02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:40.040
club of over 100 members, both women and

02:25:40.080 --> 02:25:42.455
men, currently use the golf club for our

02:25:42.479 --> 02:25:44.455
monthly meetings as well as a number of

02:25:44.479 --> 02:25:47.479
activities extending to approximately 20

02:25:47.680 --> 02:25:50.056
per month. Our club has met at the

02:25:50.080 --> 02:25:53.080
Cheltenham Golf Club for over 24 years.

02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:55.976
We cater for those in the community that

02:25:56.000 --> 02:25:58.455
are either retired or semi-retired and

02:25:58.479 --> 02:26:01.479
ages ranging into the ' 90s. With an

02:26:02.160 --> 02:26:04.216
everinccreasing population living in the

02:26:04.240 --> 02:26:07.240
SH and the fact that they are aging, POS

02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:10.295
clubs provide a continuous involvement

02:26:10.319 --> 02:26:13.319
in the community by older members. They

02:26:13.600 --> 02:26:15.656
the ever diminishing opportunity for

02:26:15.680 --> 02:26:18.536
older residents of the community is also

02:26:18.560 --> 02:26:20.696
a great concern and we as a club

02:26:20.720 --> 02:26:23.415
endeavor to help in some small way to

02:26:23.439 --> 02:26:26.136
fill this void. The majority of our

02:26:26.160 --> 02:26:29.160
members live in the Bayside Shire.

02:26:29.439 --> 02:26:31.415
Jelton Golf Club through its management

02:26:31.439 --> 02:26:33.415
and caring staff have greatly improved

02:26:33.439 --> 02:26:35.335
the enjoyment of those who are members

02:26:35.359 --> 02:26:37.176
of our club, giving them the sense of

02:26:37.200 --> 02:26:38.776
belonging.

02:26:38.800 --> 02:26:40.536
The availability of alternative

02:26:40.560 --> 02:26:42.696
facilities of a similar nature and

02:26:42.720 --> 02:26:45.720
access is almost impossible to find.

02:26:46.160 --> 02:26:48.136
Without this extension and long-term

02:26:48.160 --> 02:26:50.616
benefits, the viability of our club

02:26:50.640 --> 02:26:52.696
could be in jeopardy.

02:26:52.720 --> 02:26:55.176
But this is more than just about a golf

02:26:55.200 --> 02:26:58.200
club or Boris Bay Pro Club. It's about

02:26:58.560 --> 02:27:00.616
preserving the Cheltenham Golf Club of

02:27:00.640 --> 02:27:02.696
nearly a hundred years that serves all

02:27:02.720 --> 02:27:04.536
sections of the community, both young

02:27:04.560 --> 02:27:07.415
and old, and hopefully can do well into

02:27:07.439 --> 02:27:09.976
the future. I urge the counselors to

02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:12.136
support the application.

02:27:12.160 --> 02:27:12.536
Thank you.

02:27:12.560 --> 02:27:15.560
Thank you, Mr. Strong.

02:27:17.040 --> 02:27:19.576
Any questions to the speaker?

02:27:19.600 --> 02:27:21.736
You may take your seat. Thank you. I'm

02:27:21.760 --> 02:27:24.136
calling on Miss Deary Smith, please, to

02:27:24.160 --> 02:27:27.160
come forward.

02:27:38.080 --> 02:27:41.080
Good evening. My name is Dearus Smith.

02:27:41.120 --> 02:27:42.776
I'm a member of the Cheltenham Golf

02:27:42.800 --> 02:27:45.800
Club. The club currently have 164 female

02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:49.736
members, a number that is increasing

02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:52.536
each month. Cheltenham Golf Club is a

02:27:52.560 --> 02:27:55.415
beautifully maintained 9-hole course

02:27:55.439 --> 02:27:57.576
right in the heart of Melbourne's sought

02:27:57.600 --> 02:27:59.896
after sand belt.

02:27:59.920 --> 02:28:02.136
While many nearby private clubs have

02:28:02.160 --> 02:28:04.536
high joining fees, large annual

02:28:04.560 --> 02:28:07.560
subscriptions and long waiting lists,

02:28:07.600 --> 02:28:09.896
Cheltenham offers something different.

02:28:09.920 --> 02:28:11.896
There is no waiting list. The membership

02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:14.375
and joining fees are affordable and the

02:28:14.399 --> 02:28:16.936
casual green fees ensure that golf

02:28:16.960 --> 02:28:19.096
remains accessible to everyone, young

02:28:19.120 --> 02:28:20.856
and old alike.

02:28:20.880 --> 02:28:22.696
The club offers the range of membership

02:28:22.720 --> 02:28:25.720
options to suit all ages and lifestyles.

02:28:26.000 --> 02:28:28.295
Every lady, no matter her level of

02:28:28.319 --> 02:28:30.536
membership, plays an important role in

02:28:30.560 --> 02:28:33.176
this wonderful club. Friendships formed

02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:35.896
here truly last well beyond one's

02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:38.056
golfing years.

02:28:38.080 --> 02:28:40.536
The ladies participate in and ho host

02:28:40.560 --> 02:28:43.560
interclub and penant competitions.

02:28:43.600 --> 02:28:45.656
Visiting players and caddies are often

02:28:45.680 --> 02:28:48.680
amazed by how challenging our course is

02:28:48.720 --> 02:28:51.496
and by its outstanding condition. These

02:28:51.520 --> 02:28:54.375
events showcase what a true hidden gem

02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:56.536
the club is within the golfing

02:28:56.560 --> 02:28:59.560
community. It's not just the golf that

02:29:00.080 --> 02:29:02.536
makes Cheltenham Golf Club special. The

02:29:02.560 --> 02:29:04.776
course is alive with nature. There are

02:29:04.800 --> 02:29:07.335
countless species of birds and for one

02:29:07.359 --> 02:29:09.736
month each year the yellowtailed black

02:29:09.760 --> 02:29:12.216
cockatos visit.

02:29:12.240 --> 02:29:14.216
It's a joy to walk these fairways

02:29:14.240 --> 02:29:16.536
surrounded by birds, flowering native

02:29:16.560 --> 02:29:19.335
shrubs and trees on this rare piece of

02:29:19.359 --> 02:29:22.359
crown land. Cheltenham Golf Club has been

02:29:22.800 --> 02:29:24.696
part of the Bayside community for over

02:29:24.720 --> 02:29:27.576
95 years. It is not just a golf course.

02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:30.455
It is a community asset providing sport,

02:29:30.479 --> 02:29:32.536
recreation, friendship, and natural

02:29:32.560 --> 02:29:35.560
beauty. I urge you to grant the club a

02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:38.600
new 21-year lease so future generations

02:29:38.720 --> 02:29:41.720
can enjoy what so many currently enjoy.

02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:42.616
Thank you.

02:29:42.640 --> 02:29:45.640
Thank you.

02:29:46.550 --> 02:29:49.550
[Applause]

02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:52.920
We don't have any questions to speak.

02:29:54.080 --> 02:29:56.136
Okay, we're moving on to Mr. Matthew

02:29:56.160 --> 02:29:59.160
Griffin, please.

02:30:00.030 --> 02:30:03.030
[Applause]

02:30:06.160 --> 02:30:08.295
Mr. Mayor and counselors, thank you for

02:30:08.319 --> 02:30:10.536
the opportunity to speak tonight. As a

02:30:10.560 --> 02:30:12.295
sport mad kid, I played cricket at

02:30:12.319 --> 02:30:15.096
Cheltenham Cricket Club and footy at Boris

02:30:15.120 --> 02:30:17.096
Football Club. With parents that were

02:30:17.120 --> 02:30:18.856
school teachers, I was lucky that

02:30:18.880 --> 02:30:20.616
Cheltenham Golf Club was an option for me

02:30:20.640 --> 02:30:22.696
to explore my golfing passion in an

02:30:22.720 --> 02:30:25.496
affordable way. From the age of eight,

02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:27.256
we played on school holidays as green

02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:29.576
fee players. And then when I turned 12,

02:30:29.600 --> 02:30:31.415
I was lucky enough to be accepted as a

02:30:31.439 --> 02:30:33.896
member. I would ride my bike to the

02:30:33.920 --> 02:30:36.056
course and play with my friends and

02:30:36.080 --> 02:30:37.976
members of all ages, which taught me

02:30:38.000 --> 02:30:40.536
valuable life lessons.

02:30:40.560 --> 02:30:42.216
Over the last 20 years, I've been

02:30:42.240 --> 02:30:43.816
fortunate to have made a career out of

02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:46.216
golf. And without that access to an

02:30:46.240 --> 02:30:48.616
inclusive venue, I doubt that would have

02:30:48.640 --> 02:30:51.496
occurred. I'm not the only one, too, as

02:30:51.520 --> 02:30:53.335
at the upcoming Australian Open,

02:30:53.359 --> 02:30:55.576
Cheltenham could have up to five former

02:30:55.600 --> 02:30:58.455
and current members participating.

02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:00.776
This is not about elite golf though and

02:31:00.800 --> 02:31:02.616
Cheltenham has been an integral part of

02:31:02.640 --> 02:31:05.335
the Bayside community for close to 100

02:31:05.359 --> 02:31:07.415
years. I doubt there are many other

02:31:07.439 --> 02:31:08.936
community assets where you'll find

02:31:08.960 --> 02:31:11.576
people of all ages interacting together.

02:31:11.600 --> 02:31:13.656
Kids, parents, and grandparents in the

02:31:13.680 --> 02:31:16.455
same group. The biggest issue for golf

02:31:16.479 --> 02:31:18.536
isn't finding spot balls on a driving

02:31:18.560 --> 02:31:20.936
range. It's golf holes for people to

02:31:20.960 --> 02:31:22.136
play.

02:31:22.160 --> 02:31:23.896
Cheltenham Golf Club with its balance of

02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:25.816
members and green fee players at an

02:31:25.840 --> 02:31:28.455
affordable price is a niche part of the

02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:31.016
golfing market in this area of town.

02:31:31.040 --> 02:31:33.256
Unlike many other clubs in the area, the

02:31:33.280 --> 02:31:35.496
only barrier to entry is an interest in

02:31:35.520 --> 02:31:38.136
the game of golf. As a not for-p

02:31:38.160 --> 02:31:40.295
profofit club, Cheltenham has constantly

02:31:40.319 --> 02:31:42.295
improved the land that it is on

02:31:42.319 --> 02:31:45.016
reinvesting any profits into a community

02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:47.335
asset while keeping green fees and

02:31:47.359 --> 02:31:50.216
membership at affordable level.

02:31:50.240 --> 02:31:52.455
I urge the council to extend the lease,

02:31:52.479 --> 02:31:54.536
give Cheltenham the chance to mitigate the

02:31:54.560 --> 02:31:57.176
issues in consultation with the council

02:31:57.200 --> 02:31:59.576
that it currently has and continue a

02:31:59.600 --> 02:32:02.600
legacy well past 100 years.

02:32:03.680 --> 02:32:05.866
Thank you, Mr. Griffin.

02:32:05.890 --> 02:32:08.776
[Applause]

02:32:08.800 --> 02:32:11.496
You have any questions to the speaker?

02:32:11.520 --> 02:32:13.016
There's no questions. You may take your

02:32:13.040 --> 02:32:15.736
seat. And I'm calling on Mr. Phil Parker

02:32:15.760 --> 02:32:18.136
on behalf of Cheltenham Golf Club to come

02:32:18.160 --> 02:32:21.160
forward.

02:32:27.600 --> 02:32:29.656
Mr. Mayor and counselors, San Phil

02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:31.656
Parker, the president of the Cheltenham

02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:34.056
Golf Club, a club that seeks to operate

02:32:34.080 --> 02:32:37.080
with the highest levels of integrity.

02:32:37.359 --> 02:32:39.016
We have been stewards of the crowned

02:32:39.040 --> 02:32:40.936
land that contains our golf course for

02:32:40.960 --> 02:32:42.936
95 years. And we are making an

02:32:42.960 --> 02:32:45.576
application now for the renewal of our

02:32:45.600 --> 02:32:48.295
lease because we seek certainty of

02:32:48.319 --> 02:32:50.856
long-term operations to make major

02:32:50.880 --> 02:32:52.375
financial investments in the coming

02:32:52.399 --> 02:32:55.335
year. Our normal capital expenditure

02:32:55.359 --> 02:32:58.359
runs at around $200,000 a year, whilst

02:32:58.640 --> 02:33:00.216
the course improvements we are

02:33:00.240 --> 02:33:02.776
contemplating, predominantly safety in

02:33:02.800 --> 02:33:05.800
nature, could exceed one a.5 million.

02:33:06.800 --> 02:33:08.536
We have been blessed with increased

02:33:08.560 --> 02:33:10.776
patronage and new memberships

02:33:10.800 --> 02:33:12.536
predominantly from residents in the

02:33:12.560 --> 02:33:15.335
local community who have put the club in

02:33:15.359 --> 02:33:17.896
a strong financial position to enable us

02:33:17.920 --> 02:33:20.920
to invest with confidence. I would also

02:33:21.120 --> 02:33:24.120
note that almost 25% of our plane

02:33:24.720 --> 02:33:27.496
members are now young men under the age

02:33:27.520 --> 02:33:29.896
of 25.

02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:32.920
We are committed to resolve any issues

02:33:33.040 --> 02:33:35.816
relating to our boundaries with the full

02:33:35.840 --> 02:33:38.616
involvement of our neighbors.

02:33:38.640 --> 02:33:40.536
We are also looking to continuously

02:33:40.560 --> 02:33:43.560
improve all our facilities both on and

02:33:44.240 --> 02:33:47.096
off the course for the benefit of the

02:33:47.120 --> 02:33:50.120
entire community.

02:33:50.240 --> 02:33:52.936
By voting to renew our lease, you will

02:33:52.960 --> 02:33:55.960
be ensuring the continued existence of

02:33:56.240 --> 02:33:59.096
the Cheltenhamham Golf Club, a club that

02:33:59.120 --> 02:34:01.656
provides, as you will have heard, more

02:34:01.680 --> 02:34:03.496
than just an excellent golfing

02:34:03.520 --> 02:34:05.096
experience.

02:34:05.120 --> 02:34:07.736
Our clubhouse is a hub for local

02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:10.760
community organizations and a place

02:34:10.800 --> 02:34:13.800
where local residents can socialize and

02:34:14.160 --> 02:34:17.160
celebrate life's milestones.

02:34:17.920 --> 02:34:19.816
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr.

02:34:19.840 --> 02:34:22.295
Partner.

02:34:22.319 --> 02:34:25.016
We got a question. We got a question

02:34:25.040 --> 02:34:28.040
from Councelor Hockley. Please go ahead.

02:34:28.399 --> 02:34:31.399
Phil, thank you. Um, they must do some

02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:33.256
public speaking training down at

02:34:33.280 --> 02:34:35.176
Cheltenham.

02:34:35.200 --> 02:34:36.696
Everybody who's turned up so far

02:34:36.720 --> 02:34:39.016
tonight's done a lovely job. Um, but

02:34:39.040 --> 02:34:40.136
that's not what we're here to talk

02:34:40.160 --> 02:34:42.375
about. You talk about a million half

02:34:42.399 --> 02:34:44.856
dollars in capital expenditure

02:34:44.880 --> 02:34:46.776
over what period?

02:34:46.800 --> 02:34:49.800
Well, if there are options  that we

02:34:50.160 --> 02:34:52.776
are considering  which are safety

02:34:52.800 --> 02:34:55.496
related mainly in connection with the

02:34:55.520 --> 02:34:57.176
fifth hole

02:34:57.200 --> 02:34:59.496
 and one of the options that we're

02:34:59.520 --> 02:35:01.976
looking at would involve a considerable

02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:05.000
amount of expenditure in fencing netting

02:35:05.760 --> 02:35:08.455
um to prevent balls exiting our course

02:35:08.479 --> 02:35:10.776
boundary. Those costs would be well in

02:35:10.800 --> 02:35:12.375
excess of a million dollars. And you can

02:35:12.399 --> 02:35:14.616
appreciate to repay a loan of that

02:35:14.640 --> 02:35:16.216
nature, one would need a considerable

02:35:16.240 --> 02:35:18.696
period of time, which is why we want a

02:35:18.720 --> 02:35:20.136
21-year lease.

02:35:20.160 --> 02:35:23.160
Indeed. Um, as I've asked a couple of

02:35:23.359 --> 02:35:24.936
the other of your colleagues in the

02:35:24.960 --> 02:35:27.096
club, um, what what guarantees do we

02:35:27.120 --> 02:35:29.736
have that that work is going to be done?

02:35:29.760 --> 02:35:32.760
, you have my word.

02:35:33.040 --> 02:35:34.056
Simple as that.

02:35:34.080 --> 02:35:37.080
Okay, good enough to me.

02:35:38.800 --> 02:35:41.800
Thank you. Any further questions?

02:35:42.319 --> 02:35:44.616
I'll I'll probably another question

02:35:44.640 --> 02:35:46.856
following on from councelor Hockley. So

02:35:46.880 --> 02:35:48.216
you're telling me you currently your

02:35:48.240 --> 02:35:51.240
capital expenditure is 200,000 a year

02:35:51.439 --> 02:35:53.656
and you mentioned in your statement that

02:35:53.680 --> 02:35:56.680
it could exceed 1.5 million but in

02:35:56.880 --> 02:35:58.375
answering councelor Hockley you

02:35:58.399 --> 02:36:00.856
mentioned that it can be in excess of 1

02:36:00.880 --> 02:36:02.936
million the capital expenditure.

02:36:02.960 --> 02:36:04.056
Yes because there are a number of

02:36:04.080 --> 02:36:06.056
options. one of the the option that

02:36:06.080 --> 02:36:08.295
we're looking at which  switches the

02:36:08.319 --> 02:36:10.776
holes adjacent to  our neighbors

02:36:10.800 --> 02:36:13.096
Victoria, we've got a pretty good handle

02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:14.696
on how much that's costing, probably

02:36:14.720 --> 02:36:16.936
around $300,000.

02:36:16.960 --> 02:36:19.960
The costs associated with the golf ball

02:36:20.720 --> 02:36:23.720
mitigation on the fifth hole have yet to

02:36:23.840 --> 02:36:26.056
be  done, but we do have some initial

02:36:26.080 --> 02:36:29.016
quotes from providers for golf netting

02:36:29.040 --> 02:36:31.096
if we went down that track which could

02:36:31.120 --> 02:36:33.096
exceed one a half million. But that has

02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:35.256
not been decided yet. And indeed, we

02:36:35.280 --> 02:36:36.696
have a meeting of our golf committee

02:36:36.720 --> 02:36:39.256
tomorrow where we'll be discussing some

02:36:39.280 --> 02:36:41.576
 alternative options that we will need

02:36:41.600 --> 02:36:43.896
to do. But make sure everyone in this

02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:46.295
room understands we will make those

02:36:46.319 --> 02:36:48.295
changes and we will make the fifth hole

02:36:48.319 --> 02:36:49.576
a safer place.

02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:52.600
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Parker.

02:36:54.720 --> 02:36:55.976
You may take a seat.

02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:57.335
Thank you.

02:36:57.359 --> 02:37:00.359
And councilors. Um

02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:03.896
I believe there is an officer's 

02:37:03.920 --> 02:37:05.736
recommendation to the motion which I

02:37:05.760 --> 02:37:08.536
just like to read and that's in point

02:37:08.560 --> 02:37:10.776
five that is note the petition received

02:37:10.800 --> 02:37:13.800
in relation to this matter item 7.2 on

02:37:14.000 --> 02:37:16.136
this agenda and advises the lead

02:37:16.160 --> 02:37:18.136
petitioner of this resolution and of the

02:37:18.160 --> 02:37:20.295
outcome resolved following the community

02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:22.776
engagement process. So with this change

02:37:22.800 --> 02:37:25.800
from the officers I'm in your hands.

02:37:26.080 --> 02:37:29.080
 Mr. Mr. Mayor, I I do I I move 

02:37:29.200 --> 02:37:31.096
that substantive motion with an

02:37:31.120 --> 02:37:31.976
amendment that

02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:33.256
there's another amendment to it.

02:37:33.280 --> 02:37:35.576
There is a further amendment a six

02:37:35.600 --> 02:37:37.415
and a point six. Can we just

02:37:37.439 --> 02:37:39.415
which has been provided to the officers

02:37:39.439 --> 02:37:40.856
and if I may I

02:37:40.880 --> 02:37:42.776
So maybe it is five and then the one we

02:37:42.800 --> 02:37:44.856
have as five become six. Is that okay?

02:37:44.880 --> 02:37:45.896
Yes, that's the one.

02:37:45.920 --> 02:37:47.096
And do you mind reading it please?

02:37:47.120 --> 02:37:49.335
Yes. So the the the motion I'm proposing

02:37:49.359 --> 02:37:52.295
to move is amended um with the addition

02:37:52.319 --> 02:37:55.256
of a um a proviso that the leadership

02:37:55.280 --> 02:37:57.335
team that is the leadership team of

02:37:57.359 --> 02:37:59.415
council their interactions with the

02:37:59.439 --> 02:38:02.439
vtory

02:38:03.040 --> 02:38:04.295
do you mind reading it please? Yeah.

02:38:04.319 --> 02:38:07.319
Yeah. Sure. Um that  that council 

02:38:09.120 --> 02:38:11.096
requests the chief executive officer to

02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:13.335
establish a register of all council and

02:38:13.359 --> 02:38:14.936
executive leadership team interactions

02:38:14.960 --> 02:38:17.096
with the Victoria Golf Club, Cheltenham

02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:18.455
Golf Club, Cheltenhamham Football Net

02:38:18.479 --> 02:38:20.056
Football Club, Cheltenham Park Cricket Club

02:38:20.080 --> 02:38:21.736
and Bayside Argonaut Soccer Club from

02:38:21.760 --> 02:38:23.016
the commencement of the current council

02:38:23.040 --> 02:38:24.776
term. There's a very simple reason for

02:38:24.800 --> 02:38:26.136
that, but I'll speak to that in a

02:38:26.160 --> 02:38:26.455
moment.

02:38:26.479 --> 02:38:28.136
Thank you. So, we just need a second for

02:38:28.160 --> 02:38:31.160
this. Thank you, councelor Erlic. So,

02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:32.136
councelor Hookley.

02:38:32.160 --> 02:38:34.056
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I I just want

02:38:34.080 --> 02:38:37.080
to first of all say um to those present

02:38:37.439 --> 02:38:40.439
here this motion is not um about making

02:38:41.760 --> 02:38:43.496
the decision on the lease tonight. You

02:38:43.520 --> 02:38:45.496
will not go home either with or without

02:38:45.520 --> 02:38:47.896
a lease. You'll go home with a motion

02:38:47.920 --> 02:38:50.920
that says either that is either lost or

02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:55.000
passed in terms of the council will now

02:38:55.280 --> 02:38:58.280
begin the process of of establishing the

02:38:58.560 --> 02:39:01.560
terms of a new lease subject to

02:39:01.840 --> 02:39:03.976
consultation with the community which is

02:39:04.000 --> 02:39:05.736
pretty much what the petition said. In

02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:08.616
any case, this is the standard way that

02:39:08.640 --> 02:39:10.856
um significant contracts like this are

02:39:10.880 --> 02:39:13.736
established and let and in a transparent

02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:16.760
way.  I have sought tonight with the

02:39:17.600 --> 02:39:19.176
support of council colleagues hopefully

02:39:19.200 --> 02:39:22.200
to amend that with the addition of a

02:39:22.560 --> 02:39:24.056
register

02:39:24.080 --> 02:39:26.536
 of all of the interactions that

02:39:26.560 --> 02:39:28.216
councilors have had. councilors and

02:39:28.240 --> 02:39:30.856
executives of  council have had with

02:39:30.880 --> 02:39:33.656
all of the clubs over the last um period

02:39:33.680 --> 02:39:35.415
of well over the period of this current

02:39:35.439 --> 02:39:37.176
council so that there can be both

02:39:37.200 --> 02:39:40.056
transparency and reassurance that this

02:39:40.080 --> 02:39:43.080
process is open  honest  and

02:39:43.280 --> 02:39:46.280
completely um free of  of any  any

02:39:48.240 --> 02:39:49.976
of the sort of concerns that people

02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:51.256
might have that there are side

02:39:51.280 --> 02:39:53.176
conversations or previously done deals

02:39:53.200 --> 02:39:55.736
or anything else like that. I want to

02:39:55.760 --> 02:39:58.760
see a process that is absolutely um

02:39:58.880 --> 02:40:00.936
clean. And I think one of the reasons

02:40:00.960 --> 02:40:03.016
why this is so important to me

02:40:03.040 --> 02:40:06.040
personally is because I want to see 

02:40:06.080 --> 02:40:08.856
whatever happens as a result of this um

02:40:08.880 --> 02:40:11.880
the preservation of  this  amazing

02:40:12.080 --> 02:40:13.896
block of land. People have talked about

02:40:13.920 --> 02:40:16.136
it in the wax lyrical in all sorts of

02:40:16.160 --> 02:40:18.295
ways tonight, but it is an a beautiful

02:40:18.319 --> 02:40:20.776
part of  Melbourne. Um Chelinham. I'm

02:40:20.800 --> 02:40:23.016
lucky to live around the corner and as

02:40:23.040 --> 02:40:24.936
it seems so are many of the members of

02:40:24.960 --> 02:40:27.960
the Cheltenham um club but I have seen

02:40:28.160 --> 02:40:31.160
myself now Kingswood Golf Club, Rossdale

02:40:31.359 --> 02:40:32.936
Golf Club and the Eastern Golf Club in

02:40:32.960 --> 02:40:35.960
in Don Doncaster all go the way um of

02:40:37.280 --> 02:40:39.176
development in one form or another over

02:40:39.200 --> 02:40:40.936
the next couple of rec in recent years

02:40:40.960 --> 02:40:42.936
and over the next couple of years and

02:40:42.960 --> 02:40:45.256
whatever happens um with this lease

02:40:45.280 --> 02:40:48.280
process  I will walk over hot coals um

02:40:48.800 --> 02:40:51.016
to ensure that This beautiful green

02:40:51.040 --> 02:40:53.096
space in Cheltenham is preserved and

02:40:53.120 --> 02:40:55.656
hopefully continues to be the home of

02:40:55.680 --> 02:40:57.816
great golf. But I'm struck by those

02:40:57.840 --> 02:40:59.335
words. It's not a golf course. It's a

02:40:59.359 --> 02:41:01.335
golf club.  and hopefully that club

02:41:01.359 --> 02:41:03.976
will um will prosper on in the years to

02:41:04.000 --> 02:41:05.896
come as a result of whatever decision it

02:41:05.920 --> 02:41:07.576
is that we take tonight. Thank you.

02:41:07.600 --> 02:41:10.600
Thank you. Council

02:41:12.960 --> 02:41:15.176
council, you second it. Would you like

02:41:15.200 --> 02:41:17.415
to say a few words?

02:41:17.439 --> 02:41:18.696
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Look, I don't have

02:41:18.720 --> 02:41:21.720
a lot  more to add. Following on from

02:41:22.399 --> 02:41:24.536
 councelor Hockley that 

02:41:24.560 --> 02:41:26.295
understanding this is not we're not

02:41:26.319 --> 02:41:28.936
awarding a lease to anyone here. This is

02:41:28.960 --> 02:41:31.960
about as you know from I love history

02:41:32.240 --> 02:41:35.176
male Gorbachov from the United the USSR.

02:41:35.200 --> 02:41:36.536
Now I'm not a socialist don't get me

02:41:36.560 --> 02:41:38.375
wrong I'm not a Marxist but he did talk

02:41:38.399 --> 02:41:40.776
about glasnost and peristroka which are

02:41:40.800 --> 02:41:42.616
really quite sort of

02:41:42.640 --> 02:41:45.016
you know defined in terms openness and

02:41:45.040 --> 02:41:46.776
transparency and I think that's what we

02:41:46.800 --> 02:41:49.800
all want here and  councelor Hockley's

02:41:49.920 --> 02:41:51.896
 amendment to the to the motion adding

02:41:51.920 --> 02:41:54.920
in um a clause  really sort of I think

02:41:56.080 --> 02:41:59.080
um defines that and ensures that it will

02:41:59.680 --> 02:42:02.680
be an open and transparent process.

02:42:02.880 --> 02:42:05.880
Thank you councelor. Any further debate?

02:42:07.120 --> 02:42:10.120
Councelor Macintosh.

02:42:10.240 --> 02:42:12.455
Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'm also

02:42:12.479 --> 02:42:15.415
supportive of , Councelor Hockley's

02:42:15.439 --> 02:42:18.439
um, , proposed amendment as well. And

02:42:18.560 --> 02:42:20.056
I'd also like to state there was a

02:42:20.080 --> 02:42:21.576
question early on at the start of the

02:42:21.600 --> 02:42:23.896
meeting that our council is a member of

02:42:23.920 --> 02:42:25.736
Victoria Golf Club. I am not a member of

02:42:25.760 --> 02:42:28.136
Victoria Golf Club or any golf club for

02:42:28.160 --> 02:42:30.776
that matter. Um, I did just want to say,

02:42:30.800 --> 02:42:32.136
um, obviously we we're not going to be

02:42:32.160 --> 02:42:33.816
awarding the lease tonight, but I did

02:42:33.840 --> 02:42:36.136
just want to say, um, thank you to all

02:42:36.160 --> 02:42:38.136
of the speakers present, , here on

02:42:38.160 --> 02:42:40.136
both on behalf of Victoria Golf Club and

02:42:40.160 --> 02:42:42.375
Cheltenham Golf Club as well. And we have

02:42:42.399 --> 02:42:44.455
said in previous meetings that we really

02:42:44.479 --> 02:42:46.455
want more people to come along to our

02:42:46.479 --> 02:42:48.295
meetings so that we can be transparent

02:42:48.319 --> 02:42:49.656
and people could see the way that

02:42:49.680 --> 02:42:51.656
council works. So, I really appreciate

02:42:51.680 --> 02:42:53.496
the community listening to that call and

02:42:53.520 --> 02:42:55.736
coming along tonight. I hope to see such

02:42:55.760 --> 02:42:58.760
large audiences going forward. Um but we

02:42:58.960 --> 02:43:01.016
are really fortunate in Bayside to live

02:43:01.040 --> 02:43:03.256
alongside some absolutely fabulous golf

02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:05.335
courses. Um with Royal Melbourne and

02:43:05.359 --> 02:43:07.576
Victoria Golf Club courses rated as some

02:43:07.600 --> 02:43:10.600
of the best in the world. Um having that

02:43:10.880 --> 02:43:12.696
rich history and tradition, notable

02:43:12.720 --> 02:43:14.696
champions, elite competitions being

02:43:14.720 --> 02:43:17.176
hosted, including Victoria co-hosting

02:43:17.200 --> 02:43:19.816
last year's Australian Open.

02:43:19.840 --> 02:43:22.536
I am a little perplexed, however, at

02:43:22.560 --> 02:43:24.936
reading the petition that was that was

02:43:24.960 --> 02:43:27.096
penned by Victoria Golf Club manager and

02:43:27.120 --> 02:43:29.176
speaker this evening, Mr. Hill Renie,

02:43:29.200 --> 02:43:30.856
calling on council to undertake a

02:43:30.880 --> 02:43:32.536
transparent process here. I think we

02:43:32.560 --> 02:43:34.136
have been very clear that we we are

02:43:34.160 --> 02:43:36.375
actually being transparent. But while as

02:43:36.399 --> 02:43:38.056
several comments to the petition note,

02:43:38.080 --> 02:43:39.816
the author is not being quite

02:43:39.840 --> 02:43:42.375
transparent in disclosing Victoria's

02:43:42.399 --> 02:43:44.536
commercial interest in its neighbors

02:43:44.560 --> 02:43:47.016
land. Um, and that omission might be

02:43:47.040 --> 02:43:49.096
viewed as rather misleading and as a

02:43:49.120 --> 02:43:51.176
consequence does actually detract from

02:43:51.200 --> 02:43:52.696
the weight that the petition might

02:43:52.720 --> 02:43:55.576
otherwise carry. And furthermore, the

02:43:55.600 --> 02:43:57.415
reductive description of the neighboring

02:43:57.439 --> 02:43:59.896
Cheltenham Golf Club as simply the land

02:43:59.920 --> 02:44:01.976
currently leased to Cheltenham Golf Club

02:44:02.000 --> 02:44:04.216
would also seem to dismiss Cheltenham's

02:44:04.240 --> 02:44:06.776
identity, its club traditions, as have

02:44:06.800 --> 02:44:09.255
been elaborated on tonight, and its

02:44:09.279 --> 02:44:11.576
almost 100year history as a community

02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:14.216
club and a much cherished local provider

02:44:14.240 --> 02:44:16.856
of affordable and highly ex and and

02:44:16.880 --> 02:44:19.880
highquality accessible golf.

02:44:20.000 --> 02:44:21.816
um on the matter of errant golf clubs

02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:24.216
entering and causing some damage  to

02:44:24.240 --> 02:44:26.375
the Cheltenham football net club facilities

02:44:26.399 --> 02:44:28.056
as per that letter from the club and

02:44:28.080 --> 02:44:29.816
speakers here this evening. This is

02:44:29.840 --> 02:44:31.736
clearly a problem and it does need to be

02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:34.216
addressed. Um and council does need to

02:44:34.240 --> 02:44:36.056
ensure that whatever happens with the

02:44:36.080 --> 02:44:37.816
lease that Cheltenham does undertake the

02:44:37.840 --> 02:44:39.736
works required to mitigate this risk on

02:44:39.760 --> 02:44:42.536
the fifth hole in particular. So while

02:44:42.560 --> 02:44:44.696
our local private clubs like Victoria

02:44:44.720 --> 02:44:46.776
are absolutely respected and valued by

02:44:46.800 --> 02:44:49.496
Bayside and the wider golfing community,

02:44:49.520 --> 02:44:52.056
so too are our local community clubs

02:44:52.080 --> 02:44:54.455
like Cheltenham Golf Club and in deciding

02:44:54.479 --> 02:44:57.176
to support the request to progress the

02:44:57.200 --> 02:45:00.200
the new 21 31 the new 21-year lease when

02:45:01.279 --> 02:45:02.776
considering the role of council in

02:45:02.800 --> 02:45:04.375
supporting community health and

02:45:04.399 --> 02:45:06.295
well-being and accessible affordable

02:45:06.319 --> 02:45:08.776
local sporting options. This can't be

02:45:08.800 --> 02:45:10.776
just about a commercial return for

02:45:10.800 --> 02:45:13.255
Bayside. And as such, given Cheltenham's

02:45:13.279 --> 02:45:14.936
commitment to undertaking works to

02:45:14.960 --> 02:45:16.856
mitigate those errant golf balls on the

02:45:16.880 --> 02:45:18.776
fifth hole, I'm supportive of

02:45:18.800 --> 02:45:20.776
progressing the club's request for its

02:45:20.800 --> 02:45:23.800
new 21-year lease.

02:45:27.359 --> 02:45:30.359
Councelor

02:45:32.560 --> 02:45:35.560
Councelor Le

02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:37.976
I I I thought I'd rise just to comment

02:45:38.000 --> 02:45:40.616
on  my colleagues who who's put up the

02:45:40.640 --> 02:45:43.096
amendment. I I agree that it's a good

02:45:43.120 --> 02:45:45.656
idea because I think one thing that too

02:45:45.680 --> 02:45:48.216
often in councils there are and there

02:45:48.240 --> 02:45:50.375
are some good examples around Melbourne

02:45:50.399 --> 02:45:52.536
that there is no transparency in about

02:45:52.560 --> 02:45:54.616
how they operate. The one thing this

02:45:54.640 --> 02:45:56.776
council will do particularly from this

02:45:56.800 --> 02:45:59.800
this this time is to be transparent in

02:46:00.479 --> 02:46:03.479
everything that we do. I think the

02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:05.335
people who live in Bayside have a right

02:46:05.359 --> 02:46:08.216
to look at our books and what we do. Um

02:46:08.240 --> 02:46:11.016
when we actually do something that um in

02:46:11.040 --> 02:46:13.176
in the case of putting something like

02:46:13.200 --> 02:46:16.200
this up to um the ability for people to

02:46:16.800 --> 02:46:18.856
look at it over a handful of weeks when

02:46:18.880 --> 02:46:21.176
the when it when it goes out to to be

02:46:21.200 --> 02:46:23.656
looked at. So my opinion is I think it's

02:46:23.680 --> 02:46:26.216
a a really good amendment on behalf of

02:46:26.240 --> 02:46:29.240
councelor Hockley and I think um it just

02:46:29.439 --> 02:46:31.255
it's just another demonstration about

02:46:31.279 --> 02:46:33.496
the level about integrity about the way

02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:35.496
this council both its officers and its

02:46:35.520 --> 02:46:37.736
counselors should and will continue to

02:46:37.760 --> 02:46:40.760
work. Thank you, Council.

02:46:42.000 --> 02:46:43.656
Councelor The Lines.

02:46:43.680 --> 02:46:45.576
I'll just say a few words. I won't get

02:46:45.600 --> 02:46:47.016
the applause, I don't think, that

02:46:47.040 --> 02:46:50.040
councelor Mintosh just got there. But um

02:46:50.479 --> 02:46:53.335
councelor Hockley, I agree. We're not

02:46:53.359 --> 02:46:55.255
granting the lease here. It's going out

02:46:55.279 --> 02:46:58.056
to um community engagement, community

02:46:58.080 --> 02:47:00.616
consultation, and it's a it's that

02:47:00.640 --> 02:47:03.640
consultation we will listen to. But just

02:47:03.920 --> 02:47:06.920
um I in regards to what I know, my li

02:47:07.040 --> 02:47:09.415
limited knowledge of golf. I took it up

02:47:09.439 --> 02:47:11.896
in recent years. I'm terrible, but I do

02:47:11.920 --> 02:47:13.736
know it's in huge demand. Um

02:47:13.760 --> 02:47:16.375
particularly since co many kids have

02:47:16.399 --> 02:47:19.399
taken up the sport. Um my boys included,

02:47:19.600 --> 02:47:21.496
and it's great to get them away from a

02:47:21.520 --> 02:47:24.136
screen. They cannot afford to join a

02:47:24.160 --> 02:47:26.375
private club. They're only young. Um and

02:47:26.399 --> 02:47:28.776
Sandy Golf Course also offers nine

02:47:28.800 --> 02:47:30.776
holes. I know that. But it's at

02:47:30.800 --> 02:47:32.616
capacity. They say they can never get

02:47:32.640 --> 02:47:34.776
around or if they do it's it's very

02:47:34.800 --> 02:47:37.800
tight with the tea off times. Many women

02:47:38.000 --> 02:47:40.696
have also taken up sport and many unable

02:47:40.720 --> 02:47:43.096
to afford the um you know the huge

02:47:43.120 --> 02:47:46.056
joining fees of the local private clubs

02:47:46.080 --> 02:47:49.080
um let alone at the  annual green fees

02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:51.816
too. And there's long waiting lists but

02:47:51.840 --> 02:47:54.840
um maybe female um applicants will jump

02:47:55.439 --> 02:47:58.216
some of those waiting lists. Um who who

02:47:58.240 --> 02:48:01.240
knows? But um I I can't afford  a

02:48:01.359 --> 02:48:03.816
private local membership. Um many

02:48:03.840 --> 02:48:05.656
retirees frequent and love the

02:48:05.680 --> 02:48:07.976
suitability and affordability of of

02:48:08.000 --> 02:48:09.896
Cheltenham Golf Course for their stage

02:48:09.920 --> 02:48:12.455
in life and find great benefit from the

02:48:12.479 --> 02:48:15.096
social aspect of of the club as we've

02:48:15.120 --> 02:48:18.120
heard. I would think um but again that

02:48:19.840 --> 02:48:22.696
I'm it's just my personal opinion. It's

02:48:22.720 --> 02:48:25.496
not community consultation, but given

02:48:25.520 --> 02:48:28.375
the rounds delivered, the 60,000 rounds

02:48:28.399 --> 02:48:31.399
a year and the closure now of Rosdale 

02:48:31.920 --> 02:48:33.816
public golf course that there's probably

02:48:33.840 --> 02:48:35.976
more of a need for the continuation of a

02:48:36.000 --> 02:48:39.000
public 9-hole course than there is for a

02:48:39.040 --> 02:48:42.040
par three pitch and putt. Um the course

02:48:42.399 --> 02:48:45.399
is open.

02:48:46.560 --> 02:48:49.560
[Applause]

02:48:49.600 --> 02:48:52.295
So, so I have played the course once. I

02:48:52.319 --> 02:48:55.176
did pay. Um, the course is open to the

02:48:55.200 --> 02:48:57.096
public, including walkers, dogs, and

02:48:57.120 --> 02:48:59.415
bike riders. I've spent so much time

02:48:59.439 --> 02:49:02.439
over there walking and um and walking my

02:49:02.960 --> 02:49:05.335
dog to, and I love it. Other than the

02:49:05.359 --> 02:49:07.496
Murrayne sanctuary, that's um that's where

02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:10.375
I often am. Um, and I feel like I'm in

02:49:10.399 --> 02:49:12.295
the bush. It's beautiful. It's public

02:49:12.319 --> 02:49:14.216
access, and that's what I like about

02:49:14.240 --> 02:49:17.096
this. So at the moment, look, in my

02:49:17.120 --> 02:49:19.335
opinion, locking away part of the land

02:49:19.359 --> 02:49:21.736
for private commercialization, even if

02:49:21.760 --> 02:49:24.295
that comes at a bit of a windfall to

02:49:24.319 --> 02:49:27.096
council in income, at the moment, the

02:49:27.120 --> 02:49:28.696
community are saying, it doesn't pass

02:49:28.720 --> 02:49:30.696
the pub test. So, let's hear what they

02:49:30.720 --> 02:49:32.056
come back and tell us with this

02:49:32.080 --> 02:49:34.616
community consultation. Thank you.

02:49:34.640 --> 02:49:37.156
Thank you, Council Adams.

02:49:37.180 --> 02:49:40.180
[Applause]

02:49:40.880 --> 02:49:42.455
Council Murray, would you like to add

02:49:42.479 --> 02:49:44.616
anything? very quickly. It's a long

02:49:44.640 --> 02:49:46.936
night for everybody. Um I wholeheartedly

02:49:46.960 --> 02:49:48.856
concur with my fellow counselors. This

02:49:48.880 --> 02:49:51.335
is about equity, accessibility, about

02:49:51.359 --> 02:49:53.096
anyone who wants to play golf being able

02:49:53.120 --> 02:49:54.776
to play golf. I love the fact that there

02:49:54.800 --> 02:49:56.375
are so many young people getting

02:49:56.399 --> 02:49:58.295
involved. Um I think that's just

02:49:58.319 --> 02:50:00.696
brilliant. It sets them up um on a life

02:50:00.720 --> 02:50:02.936
trajectory where it's about club and

02:50:02.960 --> 02:50:05.960
community um and friends and sport and

02:50:06.960 --> 02:50:09.576
exercise. And um I'm very enthusiastic

02:50:09.600 --> 02:50:11.415
about this. Thank you.

02:50:11.439 --> 02:50:13.196
Thank you guys so much.

02:50:13.220 --> 02:50:15.656
[Applause]

02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:17.496
Councelor Huckley, before I get you to

02:50:17.520 --> 02:50:19.255
close, I just got couple questions and

02:50:19.279 --> 02:50:21.016
then I'll say a couple things and

02:50:21.040 --> 02:50:22.936
believe me, I'm going to be hated and

02:50:22.960 --> 02:50:24.216
you're going to look like a champion

02:50:24.240 --> 02:50:27.240
after it. My first question on page 267,

02:50:27.920 --> 02:50:29.816
we are saying with four years remaining

02:50:29.840 --> 02:50:32.216
on the current lease,

02:50:32.240 --> 02:50:34.375
 my understanding is the current lease

02:50:34.399 --> 02:50:37.016
is not expiring for another 5 years, 3

02:50:37.040 --> 02:50:40.040
months and 9 days. So what's correct?

02:50:41.439 --> 02:50:43.656
Is the report wrong or am I wrong

02:50:43.680 --> 02:50:46.376
calculating?

02:50:46.400 --> 02:50:48.216
[Music]

02:50:48.240 --> 02:50:50.536
 through your chair.  that would

02:50:50.560 --> 02:50:53.560
appear to be my math. Um it um lease

02:50:54.080 --> 02:50:56.776
expires in November 2030.

02:50:56.800 --> 02:50:59.496
So I'm correct. 5 years 3 months and 9

02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:02.520
days. Okay. council is considering that

02:51:03.359 --> 02:51:06.359
 this is clarified now we got 5 years

02:51:06.720 --> 02:51:09.255
and 3 months in a bit and also I've

02:51:09.279 --> 02:51:11.496
heard a lot about equity accessibility

02:51:11.520 --> 02:51:14.375
and the in a previous item I heard about

02:51:14.399 --> 02:51:16.616
the future populations of Bayside I just

02:51:16.640 --> 02:51:19.016
like to put a slightly different

02:51:19.040 --> 02:51:22.040
perspective out there just for balancing

02:51:22.160 --> 02:51:25.160
the views and tonight we are being asked

02:51:25.200 --> 02:51:26.856
to approve the commencement of the

02:51:26.880 --> 02:51:29.880
statutory  procedures to enter into a

02:51:30.240 --> 02:51:33.240
21-year lease with a Cheltenham Golf Club

02:51:33.359 --> 02:51:36.295
and that is 5 years and 3 months and a

02:51:36.319 --> 02:51:38.936
bit before the current lease even

02:51:38.960 --> 02:51:41.960
expires in November 2030.

02:51:42.000 --> 02:51:44.216
If ultimately approved this would lock

02:51:44.240 --> 02:51:47.240
up the public land until 2046.

02:51:47.840 --> 02:51:50.840
By then specifically Hyatt and Pinidal

02:51:51.920 --> 02:51:54.920
will likely have doubled in population

02:51:55.279 --> 02:51:57.176
and that is driven by a number of

02:51:57.200 --> 02:51:58.936
things. Suburban rail loop is one of

02:51:58.960 --> 02:52:01.176
them. the level crossing removal and

02:52:01.200 --> 02:52:04.200
also activity center program and that is

02:52:04.240 --> 02:52:06.216
the future density imposed by state

02:52:06.240 --> 02:52:09.096
government not even council.

02:52:09.120 --> 02:52:11.096
That is why we need to approach this

02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:14.120
with a foresight and strategic mindset.

02:52:14.720 --> 02:52:16.536
We are not deciding for today's

02:52:16.560 --> 02:52:19.560
residents only. We are making choices

02:52:19.600 --> 02:52:22.375
that will directly affect the options

02:52:22.399 --> 02:52:24.455
available for future generations who

02:52:24.479 --> 02:52:27.479
will call Bayside home. Those residents

02:52:28.160 --> 02:52:31.096
will need and deserve open space,

02:52:31.120 --> 02:52:34.120
recreation, even golfing opportunities.

02:52:35.840 --> 02:52:38.616
And that is where timing matters. The

02:52:38.640 --> 02:52:41.415
lease is not due until late 2030, and

02:52:41.439 --> 02:52:43.255
we've been asked to decide 5 years

02:52:43.279 --> 02:52:46.056
early, effectively binding future

02:52:46.080 --> 02:52:47.656
councils.

02:52:47.680 --> 02:52:50.680
This preempts the next council group who

02:52:50.880 --> 02:52:52.936
will be halfway through their term when

02:52:52.960 --> 02:52:55.576
the lease naturally expires.

02:52:55.600 --> 02:52:57.816
To me, and it is my opinion, this risks

02:52:57.840 --> 02:53:00.696
overreach. This council, in my opinion,

02:53:00.720 --> 02:53:03.016
should not lock up a major public asset

02:53:03.040 --> 02:53:05.496
for 21 years when future community needs

02:53:05.520 --> 02:53:07.255
remain unknown.

02:53:07.279 --> 02:53:08.856
This is especially relevant because

02:53:08.880 --> 02:53:10.696
Bayside is currently consulting on its

02:53:10.720 --> 02:53:13.415
open space strategy right now with a

02:53:13.439 --> 02:53:16.136
recreation strategy update to follow.

02:53:16.160 --> 02:53:18.216
The draft open space strategy already

02:53:18.240 --> 02:53:20.616
shows a shortage of open space for hired

02:53:20.640 --> 02:53:22.776
community that is just few hundred

02:53:22.800 --> 02:53:25.415
meters from the precinct. proceeding

02:53:25.439 --> 02:53:25.816
now.

02:53:25.840 --> 02:53:28.536
Point of order, Mr. Mr. Mayor, are you

02:53:28.560 --> 02:53:30.455
on time on this or

02:53:30.479 --> 02:53:33.415
councelor?

02:53:33.439 --> 02:53:35.576
We are given time to say things. The

02:53:35.600 --> 02:53:36.696
clock's not on you,

02:53:36.720 --> 02:53:38.295
councelor. The governors didn't ring me

02:53:38.319 --> 02:53:41.319
yet. So, if you let me finish

02:53:44.960 --> 02:53:47.960
now, this is debate.

02:53:48.720 --> 02:53:51.720
Okay.

02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:54.616
So I just like to repeat we are

02:53:54.640 --> 02:53:56.295
currently consulting on open space

02:53:56.319 --> 02:53:58.136
strategy and recreation strategy in

02:53:58.160 --> 02:54:00.295
Bayside and the draft open space

02:54:00.319 --> 02:54:02.136
strategy show a shortage of open space

02:54:02.160 --> 02:54:03.816
and hide community few hundred meters

02:54:03.840 --> 02:54:06.840
away. The report points to safety works

02:54:06.960 --> 02:54:08.856
on the fifth and hall as justification

02:54:08.880 --> 02:54:10.856
but let's be honest we don't have a

02:54:10.880 --> 02:54:13.415
fully scoped and costed plan before us.

02:54:13.439 --> 02:54:15.976
What we have are ranges, estimates and

02:54:16.000 --> 02:54:19.000
broad figures up to 1.5 million. And

02:54:19.040 --> 02:54:20.696
from my experience with other bas

02:54:20.720 --> 02:54:23.096
leases, promised capital expenditure

02:54:23.120 --> 02:54:26.056
rarely materialize in full.

02:54:26.080 --> 02:54:28.056
So if we are discussing a shorter

02:54:28.080 --> 02:54:30.295
10-year extension to allow depreciation

02:54:30.319 --> 02:54:33.016
of works to staged upgrades, my debate

02:54:33.040 --> 02:54:34.936
would be different. Councilors, my

02:54:34.960 --> 02:54:37.496
concern is with a 21-year lease.

02:54:37.520 --> 02:54:39.976
Finally, we must consider and to be

02:54:40.000 --> 02:54:41.896
clear that it is not about opposing

02:54:41.920 --> 02:54:44.216
Gulf. It's about the foresight, timing,

02:54:44.240 --> 02:54:46.536
and fairness. It's about ensuring that

02:54:46.560 --> 02:54:48.776
future residents in Bayside, especially

02:54:48.800 --> 02:54:51.800
in Hayatt and Penidal, have choices.

02:54:51.920 --> 02:54:53.816
Councelor Eric, Councelor Harkley, back

02:54:53.840 --> 02:54:55.656
to you to close.

02:54:55.680 --> 02:54:57.656
, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I wish that

02:54:57.680 --> 02:55:00.680
that um that  approach to  prudent

02:55:03.279 --> 02:55:06.279
 allocation of resources over um over

02:55:06.399 --> 02:55:08.136
shorter windows of time had applied to

02:55:08.160 --> 02:55:09.335
so many of the contracts that were

02:55:09.359 --> 02:55:11.415
awarded in the last council in

02:55:11.439 --> 02:55:14.439
particular. Um we have  we have our

02:55:14.800 --> 02:55:17.736
own issues in height with open space. Um

02:55:17.760 --> 02:55:20.760
I'm I'm unclear how  Shelton Golf

02:55:20.960 --> 02:55:23.176
Course addresses those in any way other

02:55:23.200 --> 02:55:25.896
than that I can tell you I have um many

02:55:25.920 --> 02:55:28.536
dozens of Hyatt residents who have

02:55:28.560 --> 02:55:31.496
reached out to me via email  or on the

02:55:31.520 --> 02:55:34.216
phone or at high wies

02:55:34.240 --> 02:55:36.776
um to say you got to save our golf

02:55:36.800 --> 02:55:39.800
course. But this is the  this is the

02:55:40.319 --> 02:55:42.536
thing. We're not here to save a golf

02:55:42.560 --> 02:55:45.335
course tonight. We're here to u embark

02:55:45.359 --> 02:55:48.359
on a process that is transparent  and

02:55:48.640 --> 02:55:51.016
open and clear in what it is trying to

02:55:51.040 --> 02:55:53.016
do. If you want to look at it in in

02:55:53.040 --> 02:55:54.936
another way, what we're what we're doing

02:55:54.960 --> 02:55:57.656
by going 5 years early is taking 5 years

02:55:57.680 --> 02:55:59.576
away from you that could have given you

02:55:59.600 --> 02:56:02.295
26 years um over the over the period of

02:56:02.319 --> 02:56:04.136
time. So there's always different ways

02:56:04.160 --> 02:56:05.976
to look at it. I do want to say though

02:56:06.000 --> 02:56:09.000
to the two Chrises from  the Chelman

02:56:09.279 --> 02:56:11.255
football net club and the Bayside

02:56:11.279 --> 02:56:14.279
Argonauts um there is  there is every

02:56:14.640 --> 02:56:17.335
reason for you to believe that um the

02:56:17.359 --> 02:56:19.335
well-being  of your players of your

02:56:19.359 --> 02:56:22.359
clubs  will be um secured  and

02:56:23.120 --> 02:56:26.120
protected by  simply um advocating 

02:56:26.720 --> 02:56:29.016
in your own right  to your local

02:56:29.040 --> 02:56:32.040
council to your local counselors. um 

02:56:32.319 --> 02:56:35.319
and that we will pursue um whatever

02:56:35.520 --> 02:56:38.455
objectives  are going to improve and

02:56:38.479 --> 02:56:40.936
increase the participation of of players

02:56:40.960 --> 02:56:43.016
in your respective sports, particularly

02:56:43.040 --> 02:56:45.656
girls. So on that note, I would just

02:56:45.680 --> 02:56:48.056
reinforce this this notion that the

02:56:48.080 --> 02:56:50.696
process begins now. We we look to make

02:56:50.720 --> 02:56:52.455
it as transparent and as open as we

02:56:52.479 --> 02:56:54.776
possibly can with the view to ensuring

02:56:54.800 --> 02:56:57.016
that the city of Bayside continues that

02:56:57.040 --> 02:57:00.040
unique um and amazing green space that

02:57:00.319 --> 02:57:02.616
you can see from space.

02:57:02.640 --> 02:57:04.375
Thank you council. I'll put it to a

02:57:04.399 --> 02:57:05.016
vote.

02:57:05.040 --> 02:57:07.096
Oh point of clarification, can I just

02:57:07.120 --> 02:57:09.496
ask the officers with our open space

02:57:09.520 --> 02:57:11.496
strategy consultation that's currently

02:57:11.520 --> 02:57:12.776
happening? When does that come to

02:57:12.800 --> 02:57:15.576
council and when do we propose this

02:57:15.600 --> 02:57:18.600
feedback for um the extension of the

02:57:18.720 --> 02:57:19.415
lease consultation?

02:57:19.439 --> 02:57:20.776
Thank you. Good question.

02:57:20.800 --> 02:57:22.936
Thank you. through through you chair.

02:57:22.960 --> 02:57:25.576
The consultation process for the open

02:57:25.600 --> 02:57:28.295
space closes in a couple of weeks time

02:57:28.319 --> 02:57:30.375
and we'll be bringing it back to a yeah

02:57:30.399 --> 02:57:33.255
bringing it back to a briefing probably

02:57:33.279 --> 02:57:35.415
four or five weeks after that.

02:57:35.439 --> 02:57:37.096
And through you chair this will actually

02:57:37.120 --> 02:57:38.696
come back to the council chambers in

02:57:38.720 --> 02:57:40.536
November.

02:57:40.560 --> 02:57:42.536
Thank you. I'll put it to a vote all

02:57:42.560 --> 02:57:45.415
those in favor. Councelor Tyler Hans,

02:57:45.439 --> 02:57:47.096
councelor Elliot, Council Mintosh,

02:57:47.120 --> 02:57:49.335
Council Lee, Councelor Murray, Councelor

02:57:49.359 --> 02:57:52.359
Hockley against, and Council Mim. And it

02:57:52.399 --> 02:57:54.266
is carried.

02:57:54.290 --> 02:57:57.290
[Applause]

02:58:01.920 --> 02:58:04.216
Can I have a motion to allow a 5m minute

02:58:04.240 --> 02:58:06.856
break to let the chamber vacate

02:58:06.880 --> 02:58:08.776
and have a second? Councelor Macintosh.

02:58:08.800 --> 02:58:11.415
All in favor? Councelor Taylor Hans

02:58:11.439 --> 02:58:14.439
Mintosh Murray Alma limit is carried.

02:58:18.240 --> 02:58:20.136
Councilors I need a motion to resume the

02:58:20.160 --> 02:58:22.216
meeting. I got a mover. Councelor

02:58:22.240 --> 02:58:25.240
Hockley second that to resume. Councelor

02:58:25.680 --> 02:58:28.680
Tyler Haynes. All those in favor

02:58:28.720 --> 02:58:30.216
councelor Tyler Hayes, councelor

02:58:30.240 --> 02:58:31.896
Macintosh, Councelor Hockley, Councelor

02:58:31.920 --> 02:58:34.295
Murray, Councelor Malam. It is carried.

02:58:34.319 --> 02:58:36.856
Mr. Mayor, can I just make a raise a

02:58:36.880 --> 02:58:39.576
It's somewhere between a point of order

02:58:39.600 --> 02:58:42.216
 and um an urgency matter. I just want

02:58:42.240 --> 02:58:44.295
to draw attention to my fellow

02:58:44.319 --> 02:58:47.319
councilors that as we go into the

02:58:47.359 --> 02:58:49.255
process of award of considering this

02:58:49.279 --> 02:58:51.896
lease that the Winky Pop decision

02:58:51.920 --> 02:58:54.216
applies to this apprehended bias applies

02:58:54.240 --> 02:58:56.295
to the awarding of contracts like this

02:58:56.319 --> 02:58:58.455
and I hope councelor Alex can hear me as

02:58:58.479 --> 02:59:01.255
well. I would just warn you as a and I

02:59:01.279 --> 02:59:02.616
guess it is a point of order for all

02:59:02.640 --> 02:59:05.415
intents and purposes and that is that

02:59:05.439 --> 02:59:07.736
whatever we think about the process that

02:59:07.760 --> 02:59:08.936
we're going through whatever we think

02:59:08.960 --> 02:59:10.295
about what we've just heard from the

02:59:10.319 --> 02:59:13.319
various clubs apprehended by supplies in

02:59:13.439 --> 02:59:15.255
this case and could invalidate any

02:59:15.279 --> 02:59:17.176
decision that we make if we indicate to

02:59:17.200 --> 02:59:19.016
anybody

02:59:19.040 --> 02:59:20.856
what our intention what our voting

02:59:20.880 --> 02:59:22.616
intention might be in relation to one of

02:59:22.640 --> 02:59:24.616
to to this lease or others.

02:59:24.640 --> 02:59:27.640
Thank you councly. We resume item 12.4

02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:29.976
four that is response to notice of

02:59:30.000 --> 02:59:33.000
motion 338 security of major activity

02:59:33.439 --> 02:59:35.176
centers and there were no requests to be

02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:37.736
heard councilors I believe I have a

02:59:37.760 --> 02:59:40.216
proposed motion here in front of me do I

02:59:40.240 --> 02:59:42.536
have a mover for the current motion or

02:59:42.560 --> 02:59:45.560
alternate

02:59:45.840 --> 02:59:47.335
councelor Eric would you like to move

02:59:47.359 --> 02:59:48.936
the alternate motion do you mind reading

02:59:48.960 --> 02:59:50.936
it to us please we can have it on the

02:59:50.960 --> 02:59:53.960
screen for you if you want give us a

03:00:01.439 --> 03:00:04.439
Council Eric, that's on the screen now.

03:00:05.600 --> 03:00:08.216
All right. The recommendation for the

03:00:08.240 --> 03:00:10.856
alternate motion is that it notes the

03:00:10.880 --> 03:00:12.856
report. The council notes this report.

03:00:12.880 --> 03:00:15.176
Number two receives a report at or

03:00:15.200 --> 03:00:17.816
before the December 25 council meeting

03:00:17.840 --> 03:00:19.816
that investigates and reports on a range

03:00:19.840 --> 03:00:22.455
of safety and security options that

03:00:22.479 --> 03:00:25.479
include residential areas and major

03:00:25.840 --> 03:00:28.455
activity centers including associated

03:00:28.479 --> 03:00:30.936
costings. Number three undertakes

03:00:30.960 --> 03:00:33.176
benchmarking of safety and security

03:00:33.200 --> 03:00:35.496
initiatives that demonstrate evidence of

03:00:35.520 --> 03:00:38.136
having a positive impact on real and

03:00:38.160 --> 03:00:41.160
perceived safety concerns. Number four,

03:00:41.279 --> 03:00:43.576
provides findings and recommendations

03:00:43.600 --> 03:00:45.656
from the crimerevention through

03:00:45.680 --> 03:00:48.375
environmental design audit undertaken of

03:00:48.399 --> 03:00:51.016
major activity centers. Number five,

03:00:51.040 --> 03:00:53.255
continues to work with Victoria Police

03:00:53.279 --> 03:00:56.279
to seek patrols that target identified

03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:59.255
hotspots. and number six continues to

03:00:59.279 --> 03:01:01.656
advocate to the state government for a

03:01:01.680 --> 03:01:03.335
additional police resourcing within

03:01:03.359 --> 03:01:06.359
Bayside given community concerns with

03:01:06.479 --> 03:01:08.856
crime and safety and the limited visible

03:01:08.880 --> 03:01:11.880
presence in our municipality

03:01:12.080 --> 03:01:14.295
and B funding to support the delivery of

03:01:14.319 --> 03:01:16.136
community safety initiatives.

03:01:16.160 --> 03:01:17.896
Thank you councelor Eric. Do I have a

03:01:17.920 --> 03:01:19.656
seconder?

03:01:19.680 --> 03:01:22.056
I have a second council Hockley. Thank

03:01:22.080 --> 03:01:24.375
you councelor Hockley. Council, you can

03:01:24.399 --> 03:01:27.399
debate. Thank you.

03:01:29.439 --> 03:01:31.576
I rise to speak in support of this

03:01:31.600 --> 03:01:33.976
motion number 338 addressing the urgent

03:01:34.000 --> 03:01:36.295
need to enhance safety and security

03:01:36.319 --> 03:01:38.616
across our municipality.

03:01:38.640 --> 03:01:41.640
Crime particular particularly aggravated

03:01:41.680 --> 03:01:44.295
home invasions and car thefts has shaken

03:01:44.319 --> 03:01:46.295
the sense of safety in many of many in

03:01:46.319 --> 03:01:47.816
Bayside.

03:01:47.840 --> 03:01:50.696
Families and women in particular feel

03:01:50.720 --> 03:01:53.656
unsafe in their own homes after dark.

03:01:53.680 --> 03:01:55.415
That's a situation that is simply

03:01:55.439 --> 03:01:58.056
unacceptable.

03:01:58.080 --> 03:01:59.976
As the first line of government, we have

03:02:00.000 --> 03:02:02.616
a duty to act decisively when state

03:02:02.640 --> 03:02:05.640
level responses fall short.

03:02:06.399 --> 03:02:08.616
This motion proposes a comprehensive

03:02:08.640 --> 03:02:10.136
approach.

03:02:10.160 --> 03:02:12.536
investigating safety options,

03:02:12.560 --> 03:02:15.560
benchmarking effective initiatives,

03:02:15.600 --> 03:02:18.600
reviewing our CPTED audit findings,

03:02:19.279 --> 03:02:21.736
collaborating with Victoria Police, and

03:02:21.760 --> 03:02:24.616
advocating for state support.

03:02:24.640 --> 03:02:26.375
Most critically, it calls for a report

03:02:26.399 --> 03:02:29.399
by December 25 to explore solutions,

03:02:29.600 --> 03:02:31.335
including the temporary use of private

03:02:31.359 --> 03:02:33.576
security patrols from Dustel Dawn, as

03:02:33.600 --> 03:02:35.736
championed by Mr. Andrew Shim from

03:02:35.760 --> 03:02:38.056
Hampton.

03:02:38.080 --> 03:02:39.736
Mr. Shiman's initiative in Hampton

03:02:39.760 --> 03:02:42.136
provides compelling evidence for this

03:02:42.160 --> 03:02:45.160
approach. By funding private patrols,

03:02:45.200 --> 03:02:47.496
his community saw an immediate reduction

03:02:47.520 --> 03:02:50.455
in nightly crimes, demonstrating the

03:02:50.479 --> 03:02:53.479
power of visible deterrence. Thank you.

03:02:53.920 --> 03:02:55.415
Thank you, Councelor Early. Councelor

03:02:55.439 --> 03:02:57.335
Hockley.

03:02:57.359 --> 03:02:58.936
 thank you, Mr. Mayor. I look, I

03:02:58.960 --> 03:03:00.536
support this motion simply on the basis

03:03:00.560 --> 03:03:01.816
that I think it's the right way to

03:03:01.840 --> 03:03:04.840
approach this issue. Um I um well it's a

03:03:05.279 --> 03:03:07.255
matter of record now that  I moved a

03:03:07.279 --> 03:03:09.255
motion or moved an amendment to our

03:03:09.279 --> 03:03:11.176
budget earlier this year to allow for

03:03:11.200 --> 03:03:13.736
the amount of $400,000 to be allocated

03:03:13.760 --> 03:03:16.696
to security and safety and crime

03:03:16.720 --> 03:03:18.856
response um issues and obviously that

03:03:18.880 --> 03:03:20.375
money is still there over the course of

03:03:20.399 --> 03:03:22.936
the next year to to allocate to things.

03:03:22.960 --> 03:03:24.696
I remain convinced obviously that one of

03:03:24.720 --> 03:03:27.255
the ways, pardon me, one of the best

03:03:27.279 --> 03:03:29.415
ways that we can allocate those funds

03:03:29.439 --> 03:03:31.096
and that we can address the issue of

03:03:31.120 --> 03:03:32.536
safety and security is by working

03:03:32.560 --> 03:03:35.415
closely with Victoria Police um even to

03:03:35.439 --> 03:03:38.439
the point of I I imagine um seeking

03:03:38.800 --> 03:03:41.176
their advice and input and  consulting

03:03:41.200 --> 03:03:43.016
them on on how best to allocate some of

03:03:43.040 --> 03:03:45.576
these resources. Um as councelor Ell

03:03:45.600 --> 03:03:46.776
said, there are a number of different

03:03:46.800 --> 03:03:49.800
ways that this can be achieved. We've

03:03:50.000 --> 03:03:51.896
already had discussions  within

03:03:51.920 --> 03:03:53.576
council and with officers about the

03:03:53.600 --> 03:03:55.096
importance of street lighting, about the

03:03:55.120 --> 03:03:56.776
importance of ensuring that public

03:03:56.800 --> 03:03:59.496
spaces are well lit, that there is

03:03:59.520 --> 03:04:01.976
passive security in place,  and that

03:04:02.000 --> 03:04:03.576
our shopping centers and that our car

03:04:03.600 --> 03:04:06.600
parks and that our  our foreshores and

03:04:06.800 --> 03:04:09.255
our our public spaces, our open spaces

03:04:09.279 --> 03:04:12.279
are well lit, safe um places um to be 

03:04:13.200 --> 03:04:16.200
at night, at dusk, during the day 

03:04:16.479 --> 03:04:18.696
even. Um and speaking as a Hyatt

03:04:18.720 --> 03:04:21.720
resident, um it is a regular occurrence

03:04:22.399 --> 03:04:25.399
that there are um  there are invasions

03:04:26.000 --> 03:04:29.000
of people who um lift lift door handles

03:04:29.680 --> 03:04:31.656
 who steal number plates, who do all

03:04:31.680 --> 03:04:33.255
of the various different things that we

03:04:33.279 --> 03:04:36.279
know are a feature of the current um 

03:04:36.880 --> 03:04:38.616
the current situation we find ourselves

03:04:38.640 --> 03:04:41.640
in. Um but I would also um make sure

03:04:43.520 --> 03:04:45.816
that in talking about security of major

03:04:45.840 --> 03:04:47.576
activity centers that we involve groups

03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:50.295
like the Jewish community like older

03:04:50.319 --> 03:04:53.096
people  like um older people's groups

03:04:53.120 --> 03:04:54.856
so that all of the various different

03:04:54.880 --> 03:04:57.255
groups within um Bayside who are feeling

03:04:57.279 --> 03:05:00.279
unsafe  actually feel as though we are

03:05:01.120 --> 03:05:03.415
doing something concrete and not just

03:05:03.439 --> 03:05:04.696
talking about it.

03:05:04.720 --> 03:05:06.455
Thank you councelor Hockley. Any further

03:05:06.479 --> 03:05:08.936
debate? You got a question, councelor?

03:05:08.960 --> 03:05:11.176
No, not a question. I'd like to add

03:05:11.200 --> 03:05:13.335
something if I could, if you'll indulge

03:05:13.359 --> 03:05:13.736
me.

03:05:13.760 --> 03:05:14.936
We're going to give you a right off

03:05:14.960 --> 03:05:17.656
reply later on if if that's okay.

03:05:17.680 --> 03:05:19.415
So, we'll ask the other counselors if

03:05:19.439 --> 03:05:21.896
they got anything to add and then

03:05:21.920 --> 03:05:23.415
councelor Tahens.

03:05:23.439 --> 03:05:26.439
So, a few words um I think it's a great

03:05:26.560 --> 03:05:29.560
update really councelor l well done um

03:05:29.840 --> 03:05:32.455
to a a motion that was raised back in

03:05:32.479 --> 03:05:34.776
August last year. So, in in my view,

03:05:34.800 --> 03:05:37.335
it's a bit outdated. we've come along a

03:05:37.359 --> 03:05:38.936
fair bit with crime since then,

03:05:38.960 --> 03:05:41.576
particularly aggravated burglaries. So,

03:05:41.600 --> 03:05:43.335
um it has my support because I think

03:05:43.359 --> 03:05:45.096
it's more rounded and it doesn't just

03:05:45.120 --> 03:05:48.120
focus on a certain part of crime

03:05:48.479 --> 03:05:51.415
happening in the mun in Bayside. So,

03:05:51.439 --> 03:05:54.439
well done and yes, it has my support.

03:05:54.479 --> 03:05:57.479
 councelor Macintosh,

03:05:58.080 --> 03:05:59.976
thank you. I'm also supportive of

03:06:00.000 --> 03:06:03.000
councelor Erlic's motion. Um also

03:06:03.200 --> 03:06:05.415
conscious that  community safety

03:06:05.439 --> 03:06:08.439
continues to be um a real concern um

03:06:08.800 --> 03:06:11.800
within Bayside and beyond. Um I'm happy

03:06:12.399 --> 03:06:15.335
with the the motion as worded here in

03:06:15.359 --> 03:06:17.976
particular looking through um and at

03:06:18.000 --> 03:06:19.736
following up on the crimerevention

03:06:19.760 --> 03:06:21.896
through environmental design audit

03:06:21.920 --> 03:06:24.295
undertaken and interested in seeing the

03:06:24.319 --> 03:06:26.696
the followup to that. Um, I would be

03:06:26.720 --> 03:06:29.016
cautious about council not wanting to

03:06:29.040 --> 03:06:31.576
take on the role of police, rather to

03:06:31.600 --> 03:06:33.816
continue to work together with our

03:06:33.840 --> 03:06:36.295
police as we currently do and to

03:06:36.319 --> 03:06:39.016
advocate for improvements  from

03:06:39.040 --> 03:06:41.736
Victoria Police in terms of their role.

03:06:41.760 --> 03:06:44.696
Um, being able to and authorized to and

03:06:44.720 --> 03:06:46.856
trained to actually undertake policing

03:06:46.880 --> 03:06:48.455
activities as opposed to private

03:06:48.479 --> 03:06:50.295
security for firms, which I'm a little

03:06:50.319 --> 03:06:52.776
bit cautious about. Um, council going

03:06:52.800 --> 03:06:55.016
down that that road. Thank you.

03:06:55.040 --> 03:06:58.040
Thank you. Councelor Lee.

03:06:58.240 --> 03:07:01.176
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, look, I also

03:07:01.200 --> 03:07:02.616
support the motion. I think one of the

03:07:02.640 --> 03:07:04.616
things that we've done in Ado Street,

03:07:04.640 --> 03:07:07.016
we've had a few breakins recently and

03:07:07.040 --> 03:07:09.816
we've actually started a WhatsApp so

03:07:09.840 --> 03:07:11.656
that if anything happens in one of the

03:07:11.680 --> 03:07:14.536
houses, everybody almost the whole of

03:07:14.560 --> 03:07:17.560
the streets now have got are on the same

03:07:17.600 --> 03:07:20.056
WhatsApp which is just called Ardoin

03:07:20.080 --> 03:07:22.136
Street. Right. So I think there are

03:07:22.160 --> 03:07:24.216
things other things other than what's

03:07:24.240 --> 03:07:26.776
being proposed that we can do locally. I

03:07:26.800 --> 03:07:28.776
am concerned also though that some

03:07:28.800 --> 03:07:30.455
councils have decided to get further

03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:32.936
into it where they almost be want to

03:07:32.960 --> 03:07:35.656
become you know the the part-time police

03:07:35.680 --> 03:07:37.816
officers and all the rest of it. I think

03:07:37.840 --> 03:07:39.496
certainly from the way these crims

03:07:39.520 --> 03:07:42.520
appear to work is if you've got let's

03:07:42.560 --> 03:07:44.936
say cameras set up somewhere they know

03:07:44.960 --> 03:07:46.295
where the cameras are so they go

03:07:46.319 --> 03:07:48.375
somewhere else and then when you put the

03:07:48.399 --> 03:07:49.896
cameras there we'll wind up spending

03:07:49.920 --> 03:07:52.056
millions if we do if we go down that way

03:07:52.080 --> 03:07:54.295
and I don't think it's appropriate. So I

03:07:54.319 --> 03:07:56.216
think with what what's being proposed is

03:07:56.240 --> 03:07:59.240
a good idea but as I said I think um we

03:07:59.359 --> 03:08:01.255
should actually be advocating to other

03:08:01.279 --> 03:08:03.096
thing other other examples of things

03:08:03.120 --> 03:08:05.096
that we can do like the WhatsApp but I

03:08:05.120 --> 03:08:07.255
must say in our street when it h if if

03:08:07.279 --> 03:08:10.056
if a h if a horn goes off late at night

03:08:10.080 --> 03:08:12.616
or something you'll see six guys come

03:08:12.640 --> 03:08:14.776
out out the drive seriously

03:08:14.800 --> 03:08:15.496
pick handles

03:08:15.520 --> 03:08:15.896
eh

03:08:15.920 --> 03:08:17.016
with pig handles

03:08:17.040 --> 03:08:20.040
no I I carry an axe

03:08:20.479 --> 03:08:23.479
well but so in my in my opinion And

03:08:24.880 --> 03:08:27.656
sadly, no, and I noticed it yesterday.

03:08:27.680 --> 03:08:29.656
One of the four of the crims that they

03:08:29.680 --> 03:08:31.255
picked up over, young guys that they

03:08:31.279 --> 03:08:33.255
picked up, the three of them, three of

03:08:33.279 --> 03:08:36.056
them they kept under under they they

03:08:36.080 --> 03:08:38.536
remanded them, the m the leader of them,

03:08:38.560 --> 03:08:41.496
they let him go on bail. So, I mean,

03:08:41.520 --> 03:08:43.016
part of our problem in all of this is

03:08:43.040 --> 03:08:44.455
the justice system isn't working

03:08:44.479 --> 03:08:46.776
properly or whoever it is. So, Robert,

03:08:46.800 --> 03:08:48.295
it's a great idea.

03:08:48.319 --> 03:08:51.319
And um we we can put it in my bayside,

03:08:52.160 --> 03:08:53.896
our area first, and then followed by

03:08:53.920 --> 03:08:56.375
Debbie's, followed by Andrews, followed

03:08:56.399 --> 03:08:58.136
by And you get it last because you'll

03:08:58.160 --> 03:09:01.160
get it longer for last. Okay.

03:09:01.359 --> 03:09:03.896
Thank you, Council Lee. Um any further

03:09:03.920 --> 03:09:06.616
debate from the floor? I'll just say a

03:09:06.640 --> 03:09:08.056
couple words and then I'll get you to

03:09:08.080 --> 03:09:09.976
close. Council Eric, first I'd like to

03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:13.000
thank you for the alternate motion. I

03:09:13.680 --> 03:09:16.375
wholeheartedly support your amendment

03:09:16.399 --> 03:09:19.399
specifically because I see at item 12.4

03:09:19.760 --> 03:09:22.375
we were just limited to the activity

03:09:22.399 --> 03:09:25.255
centers. Unfortunately  community

03:09:25.279 --> 03:09:28.056
safety  it is the top priority for

03:09:28.080 --> 03:09:30.536
Bayside and unfortunately we are seeing

03:09:30.560 --> 03:09:32.616
more and more incidents in Bayside

03:09:32.640 --> 03:09:35.096
specifically over the last year since

03:09:35.120 --> 03:09:37.496
this motion came in place. So it is time

03:09:37.520 --> 03:09:40.056
to reook into it and the proposed

03:09:40.080 --> 03:09:42.696
amendment include residential areas and

03:09:42.720 --> 03:09:45.720
major activity centers and also it is

03:09:45.760 --> 03:09:48.295
doing a benchmarking exercise. There is

03:09:48.319 --> 03:09:50.536
advocacy. We're looking into the septed

03:09:50.560 --> 03:09:53.560
design and audits. It is a well-rounded

03:09:54.160 --> 03:09:57.160
alternative that I'll fully support and

03:09:57.680 --> 03:09:59.896
 councilors I'm looking forward to

03:09:59.920 --> 03:10:02.295
December or earlier if we can to see the

03:10:02.319 --> 03:10:05.319
results of this and um I would fully

03:10:06.319 --> 03:10:08.216
encourage the community to reach out to

03:10:08.240 --> 03:10:11.240
us because we do have like u Mr. Shiman,

03:10:12.319 --> 03:10:14.536
I believe you mentioned there are also

03:10:14.560 --> 03:10:16.375
other community members who are involved

03:10:16.399 --> 03:10:19.399
in  security and  one of them

03:10:19.680 --> 03:10:22.536
mentioned to me that AI is playing a

03:10:22.560 --> 03:10:25.560
massive role now and  targeting 

03:10:26.560 --> 03:10:29.176
stolen number plates and alerting. So

03:10:29.200 --> 03:10:31.415
there would be  prompt sent when a

03:10:31.439 --> 03:10:34.136
stolen number plate enters bayside. So

03:10:34.160 --> 03:10:36.295
all this need to be investigated and

03:10:36.319 --> 03:10:38.536
that's what I believe this motion is

03:10:38.560 --> 03:10:40.776
targeting and I'll be in full support.

03:10:40.800 --> 03:10:43.800
So, back to you to close.

03:10:44.000 --> 03:10:46.375
Thank you all for your support. Um, just

03:10:46.399 --> 03:10:48.375
on closing, I'd just like to acknowledge

03:10:48.399 --> 03:10:51.399
Joan's tireless work in this area.

03:10:52.000 --> 03:10:54.056
Um, it's very much valued and

03:10:54.080 --> 03:10:55.255
appreciated.

03:10:55.279 --> 03:10:57.816
Um, if I could also just suggest that,

03:10:57.840 --> 03:10:59.255
you know, we hear a lot about working

03:10:59.279 --> 03:11:01.736
with Victoria Police. I suggest we

03:11:01.760 --> 03:11:03.255
extend that and work with a private

03:11:03.279 --> 03:11:05.335
security company. To suggest that

03:11:05.359 --> 03:11:08.359
Victoria Police has all the answers is

03:11:08.399 --> 03:11:10.536
absolutely naive. We've just heard from

03:11:10.560 --> 03:11:12.616
councelor Hockley about the

03:11:12.640 --> 03:11:14.216
vulnerability of certain communities

03:11:14.240 --> 03:11:16.295
like the Jewish community. Now I'm not

03:11:16.319 --> 03:11:17.976
sure how many people here are aware of

03:11:18.000 --> 03:11:20.136
what's happened late last week in

03:11:20.160 --> 03:11:21.896
Patterson Road which is just over the

03:11:21.920 --> 03:11:24.920
boundary of Bayside where a hair salon

03:11:25.760 --> 03:11:27.816
has ejected Jewish patrons said they're

03:11:27.840 --> 03:11:30.136
not welcome. All right, this is Germany

03:11:30.160 --> 03:11:32.616
1930 where we have stores saying they're

03:11:32.640 --> 03:11:34.776
not welcome. What was the response from

03:11:34.800 --> 03:11:37.800
Victoria Police to put up a mobile CCTV

03:11:38.560 --> 03:11:40.776
camera unit which is there as we speak

03:11:40.800 --> 03:11:43.016
outside that salon? From who? From the

03:11:43.040 --> 03:11:46.040
victims, from the Jews.

03:11:46.640 --> 03:11:48.216
So to say that we're just going to get

03:11:48.240 --> 03:11:50.056
advice from Victoria Police, I have no

03:11:50.080 --> 03:11:52.616
confidence in that. That is absolutely

03:11:52.640 --> 03:11:54.216
misguided.

03:11:54.240 --> 03:11:56.136
We must be engaging with private

03:11:56.160 --> 03:11:58.136
security companies. We can see what's

03:11:58.160 --> 03:11:59.976
happening there. And that flies in the

03:12:00.000 --> 03:12:02.056
face of some in this hoot chamber who

03:12:02.080 --> 03:12:04.616
would argue that we don't have a problem

03:12:04.640 --> 03:12:07.016
in Bayside with anti-semitism and with

03:12:07.040 --> 03:12:08.616
vulnerable groups like the Jewish

03:12:08.640 --> 03:12:11.496
community. I'll leave it at that.

03:12:11.520 --> 03:12:13.255
Thank you councel. I'll put it to vote

03:12:13.279 --> 03:12:15.576
those in favor. Councelor Taylor Haynes,

03:12:15.600 --> 03:12:17.096
councelor Ellit, councelor McIntosh,

03:12:17.120 --> 03:12:19.096
councelor Lee, councelor Murray, councelor

03:12:19.120 --> 03:12:21.096
Hockley, councelor Malm against none and

03:12:21.120 --> 03:12:24.120
it is carried. We are moving to 12.5

03:12:24.880 --> 03:12:27.736
and that's advocacy policy

03:12:27.760 --> 03:12:30.760
and advocacy plan and councilors. 

03:12:31.840 --> 03:12:33.576
there were no requests to be heard and

03:12:33.600 --> 03:12:35.896
I'm in your hands. Thank you councelor

03:12:35.920 --> 03:12:38.616
Hockley and seconded by councelor

03:12:38.640 --> 03:12:40.056
Murray. Councelor Hockley would you like

03:12:40.080 --> 03:12:42.616
to say a few words?

03:12:42.640 --> 03:12:45.640
Just very briefly Mr. Yeah, we um

03:12:47.040 --> 03:12:48.616
we kind of have a problem with advocacy

03:12:48.640 --> 03:12:50.536
in Bayside

03:12:50.560 --> 03:12:51.656
because we're almost a bit

03:12:51.680 --> 03:12:54.680
counteryclical at the moment. Um and as

03:12:54.800 --> 03:12:57.255
a as a consequence of having a federal

03:12:57.279 --> 03:13:00.279
MP that covers all of the electorate, um

03:13:00.960 --> 03:13:03.415
our advocacy efforts are limited to

03:13:03.439 --> 03:13:05.736
perhaps  megaphone diplomacy in in

03:13:05.760 --> 03:13:08.760
most cases. Um we have    we have

03:13:10.000 --> 03:13:13.000
opposition state  MPs who could well

03:13:13.200 --> 03:13:16.136
be um government MPs, treasurers and

03:13:16.160 --> 03:13:19.160
ministers  come November next year. No

03:13:19.520 --> 03:13:22.520
guarantee of that. One of the really

03:13:22.880 --> 03:13:25.880
important  features of an advocacy

03:13:25.920 --> 03:13:28.920
policy must therefore be that as well as

03:13:31.040 --> 03:13:33.816
 cuddling up to members of parliament

03:13:33.840 --> 03:13:36.840
of or or candidates of  all political

03:13:37.120 --> 03:13:40.120
stripes that we follow up as well. Um

03:13:40.640 --> 03:13:41.976
through the last the course of the last

03:13:42.000 --> 03:13:45.000
federal campaign um a um a welter of

03:13:46.160 --> 03:13:49.160
cash was promised to us but not a single

03:13:49.760 --> 03:13:52.760
um dollar came our way simply because um

03:13:53.200 --> 03:13:56.200
we a didn't chase it up. There was

03:13:56.319 --> 03:13:58.856
government money there to be had but

03:13:58.880 --> 03:14:01.016
also that we we simply weren't strategic

03:14:01.040 --> 03:14:03.255
in the way that we  managed our

03:14:03.279 --> 03:14:06.279
relationships with other parts of  of

03:14:06.479 --> 03:14:08.696
government. So it's a great advocacy

03:14:08.720 --> 03:14:11.720
policy. It's very logical.  I would

03:14:12.080 --> 03:14:15.080
council  officers to ensure that as

03:14:15.439 --> 03:14:18.439
part of the process of um

03:14:20.000 --> 03:14:21.976
operating that policy over the course of

03:14:22.000 --> 03:14:24.536
the next period, the state budget, the

03:14:24.560 --> 03:14:26.536
Commonwealth budget, the state election

03:14:26.560 --> 03:14:29.560
and subsequent budgets in 2027.

03:14:30.319 --> 03:14:32.455
um that we are very clear about what we

03:14:32.479 --> 03:14:33.816
want to try and achieve and hold

03:14:33.840 --> 03:14:35.816
ourselves to at least some of the

03:14:35.840 --> 03:14:38.696
ambitions that we have for government

03:14:38.720 --> 03:14:41.720
funding of which we get very little.

03:14:42.160 --> 03:14:44.696
Thank you. Councelor Councel Murray,

03:14:44.720 --> 03:14:46.056
you got a question?

03:14:46.080 --> 03:14:49.080
Yes. Um on page 285 where it lists the

03:14:50.399 --> 03:14:53.176
priorities. Um given we've actually

03:14:53.200 --> 03:14:55.176
passed a motion in this in this chamber

03:14:55.200 --> 03:14:57.576
where the suburban rail loop and the

03:14:57.600 --> 03:15:00.536
activity centers were locked into what

03:15:00.560 --> 03:15:02.856
we are going to investigate from that

03:15:02.880 --> 03:15:05.496
and yet we put the flagship has got the

03:15:05.520 --> 03:15:07.415
suburban rail rail loop and yet

03:15:07.439 --> 03:15:10.439
opportunistic is down as um in the third

03:15:11.760 --> 03:15:14.056
in the third column. Now, in my opin my

03:15:14.080 --> 03:15:16.375
opinion, the activity centers what

03:15:16.399 --> 03:15:19.399
they're they're planning to put on us

03:15:19.680 --> 03:15:22.680
are almost as significant as what the

03:15:23.200 --> 03:15:25.255
suburban rail loop is. And in my

03:15:25.279 --> 03:15:28.279
opinion, that I'd like to see that that

03:15:29.760 --> 03:15:32.455
that section of the activity center

03:15:32.479 --> 03:15:35.016
restatement. I think it should be up in

03:15:35.040 --> 03:15:36.776
the flagship underneath underneath

03:15:36.800 --> 03:15:38.136
because if you're going to be consistent

03:15:38.160 --> 03:15:40.056
about it, we have a consistent motion

03:15:40.080 --> 03:15:43.080
that says about those the suburban rail

03:15:43.359 --> 03:15:45.176
loop and the activity centers.

03:15:45.200 --> 03:15:48.200
So So are you foreshadowing an alternate

03:15:48.319 --> 03:15:49.736
 councelor Lee because of

03:15:49.760 --> 03:15:51.736
Well, I'd like Yes. If necessary

03:15:51.760 --> 03:15:52.776
foreshadowing, not

03:15:52.800 --> 03:15:54.856
I'd like to foreshadow that you move

03:15:54.880 --> 03:15:57.880
from that from opportunistic to putting

03:15:58.160 --> 03:15:59.976
to putting it underneath the suburban

03:16:00.000 --> 03:16:01.415
rail loop because it's just as

03:16:01.439 --> 03:16:04.439
important.

03:16:07.279 --> 03:16:10.279
activity center.

03:16:13.040 --> 03:16:16.040
So into we just um I believe Sally

03:16:16.880 --> 03:16:18.936
thank you through you chair. So the

03:16:18.960 --> 03:16:20.936
planning reform does cover the activity

03:16:20.960 --> 03:16:23.960
center.

03:16:24.160 --> 03:16:25.896
Yes. But we're still faced with what

03:16:25.920 --> 03:16:28.295
they're going to do to us and we we've

03:16:28.319 --> 03:16:30.136
almost we're almost saying

03:16:30.160 --> 03:16:31.335
basically saying it's there

03:16:31.359 --> 03:16:33.896
the planning reforms councelor Lee is is

03:16:33.920 --> 03:16:35.816
up there and that covers

03:16:35.840 --> 03:16:37.896
covers the activities and we got it on

03:16:37.920 --> 03:16:40.920
record. We got it on record now.

03:16:43.279 --> 03:16:43.976
Yeah,

03:16:44.000 --> 03:16:44.536
just that.

03:16:44.560 --> 03:16:46.375
So councelor Mar would you like to say a

03:16:46.399 --> 03:16:48.536
few words?

03:16:48.560 --> 03:16:51.560
Any further debate from the floor?

03:16:52.160 --> 03:16:55.160
, councelor Hockley, I'll get it back

03:16:55.200 --> 03:16:56.616
to you. So, I'll put it to vote. All

03:16:56.640 --> 03:16:59.016
those in favor, councelor Taylor Hans,

03:16:59.040 --> 03:17:00.616
councelor McIntosh, councelor Early,

03:17:00.640 --> 03:17:02.136
councelor Lee, councelor Murray,

03:17:02.160 --> 03:17:04.056
councelor Hockley, councelor Mal against

03:17:04.080 --> 03:17:06.616
none and it is carried

03:17:06.640 --> 03:17:09.640
and council is covered. Yes. 12.6 annual

03:17:10.399 --> 03:17:13.255
community grants allocation 202526 and

03:17:13.279 --> 03:17:15.096
there were no requests to be heard. I'm

03:17:15.120 --> 03:17:16.696
in your hands, councilors. So, I need a

03:17:16.720 --> 03:17:18.696
mover. Thank you, councelor Hockley. And

03:17:18.720 --> 03:17:21.255
a second, councelor Taylor Haynes.

03:17:21.279 --> 03:17:23.736
Council Hockley.

03:17:23.760 --> 03:17:26.215
Um, thank you. Um,

03:17:26.239 --> 03:17:28.856
thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just very quickly,

03:17:28.880 --> 03:17:30.936
um, we we have a confidential list of

03:17:30.960 --> 03:17:33.960
grantees as well as those applicants who

03:17:34.160 --> 03:17:36.936
weren't successful. Um, all I would say

03:17:36.960 --> 03:17:39.960
is, um, , it is an very important

03:17:40.319 --> 03:17:43.319
process or a very important, um, ,

03:17:43.359 --> 03:17:45.656
job, very important thing that council

03:17:45.680 --> 03:17:48.616
does to allocate small amounts of money

03:17:48.640 --> 03:17:51.640
to many of these groups.  to allow

03:17:52.319 --> 03:17:54.056
them to do the things that need to be

03:17:54.080 --> 03:17:55.656
done that they wouldn't otherwise be

03:17:55.680 --> 03:17:57.976
able to do through local fundraising or

03:17:58.000 --> 03:18:00.136
anything else.  I do note that there

03:18:00.160 --> 03:18:03.160
are a number of organizations in Hyatt

03:18:03.200 --> 03:18:05.656
that will receive money. Um I'm not sure

03:18:05.680 --> 03:18:07.176
exactly when we can announce these or

03:18:07.200 --> 03:18:08.776
when they will be announced. So I won't

03:18:08.800 --> 03:18:10.536
disclose anything, won't divulge

03:18:10.560 --> 03:18:11.976
anything in this in our confidential

03:18:12.000 --> 03:18:14.136
briefing, but I'm very pleased to move

03:18:14.160 --> 03:18:17.160
the motion  and ensure that even a

03:18:18.479 --> 03:18:20.696
small amount of money goes to some very

03:18:20.720 --> 03:18:22.616
worthy organizations to continue some of

03:18:22.640 --> 03:18:24.616
the great work that  that gets done in

03:18:24.640 --> 03:18:26.455
our community at a local level.

03:18:26.479 --> 03:18:27.896
Thank you, Council Hugley. Councelor

03:18:27.920 --> 03:18:30.455
Taylor Hines,

03:18:30.479 --> 03:18:33.479
just happy to trust the officers um

03:18:34.080 --> 03:18:36.295
recommendations on the granting of these

03:18:36.319 --> 03:18:38.375
 community wards. It's yeah it's

03:18:38.399 --> 03:18:40.136
wonderful and yeah I think we need to

03:18:40.160 --> 03:18:42.696
stay far removed from them and I I did

03:18:42.720 --> 03:18:45.576
check it over initially but  yeah

03:18:45.600 --> 03:18:47.415
really happy to go with the guidance

03:18:47.439 --> 03:18:49.096
there. That's wonderful. Thank you.

03:18:49.120 --> 03:18:50.536
Thank you councelor Taylor Hayes. Any

03:18:50.560 --> 03:18:52.455
further debate? Councelor Lee.

03:18:52.479 --> 03:18:55.479
Um almost as brief as coun as as coun

03:18:57.359 --> 03:19:00.215
the deputy Mayor. Can I say I've had

03:19:00.239 --> 03:19:02.856
long experience of looking at um little

03:19:02.880 --> 03:19:05.096
grants and little grants are what get

03:19:05.120 --> 03:19:07.096
you into trouble. So I hope from the

03:19:07.120 --> 03:19:09.176
from the little grants will always get

03:19:09.200 --> 03:19:11.816
you the front page of the age compared

03:19:11.840 --> 03:19:13.496
to a big grant with a lot of money in

03:19:13.520 --> 03:19:16.520
it. So I hope that um the officers

03:19:16.880 --> 03:19:19.880
scrutinize it well and that hopefully

03:19:20.080 --> 03:19:21.896
that the audit committee can have a look

03:19:21.920 --> 03:19:23.255
at some of the things or I certainly

03:19:23.279 --> 03:19:25.736
will be very interested to see when the

03:19:25.760 --> 03:19:28.136
reports come back and I'd certainly love

03:19:28.160 --> 03:19:29.736
to see them but other than that I have

03:19:29.760 --> 03:19:32.696
no objection to being being um passed.

03:19:32.720 --> 03:19:33.976
Thank you councelor Lee. Councelor

03:19:34.000 --> 03:19:36.136
Mintosh.

03:19:36.160 --> 03:19:38.215
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Also supportive to

03:19:38.239 --> 03:19:40.295
be well distanced from the process, but

03:19:40.319 --> 03:19:42.616
also very exciting to read through the

03:19:42.640 --> 03:19:45.335
list of um community groups to be

03:19:45.359 --> 03:19:47.176
receiving the grants. And I just think

03:19:47.200 --> 03:19:50.200
it's such a lovely agenda item to

03:19:50.239 --> 03:19:52.136
actually read through and to see what

03:19:52.160 --> 03:19:53.816
comes out of these grants and what has

03:19:53.840 --> 03:19:55.656
come out of these grants and the way

03:19:55.680 --> 03:19:57.496
they have been used in the past. They

03:19:57.520 --> 03:20:00.136
make a real difference. Our community is

03:20:00.160 --> 03:20:02.215
built on the work of volunteers and this

03:20:02.239 --> 03:20:04.696
helps to really extend and strengthen

03:20:04.720 --> 03:20:06.936
the work of those  volunteers and

03:20:06.960 --> 03:20:08.776
community groups. So absolutely

03:20:08.800 --> 03:20:10.295
delighted to support this.

03:20:10.319 --> 03:20:11.896
Thank you councelor McIntosh. Any

03:20:11.920 --> 03:20:14.056
further debate?  back to you councelor

03:20:14.080 --> 03:20:16.616
Hockley to close.

03:20:16.640 --> 03:20:18.936
 no I would just reinforce everything

03:20:18.960 --> 03:20:21.335
that council colleagues have said and

03:20:21.359 --> 03:20:23.016
look forward to seeing um what these

03:20:23.040 --> 03:20:25.016
grants deliver from the many 

03:20:25.040 --> 03:20:26.856
recipients that we've that the officers

03:20:26.880 --> 03:20:27.656
have recommend.

03:20:27.680 --> 03:20:29.096
Thank you. Councelor Hley, I put it to

03:20:29.120 --> 03:20:30.936
vote. All those in favor, councelor

03:20:30.960 --> 03:20:32.696
Taylor Haynes, councelor Eric, councelor

03:20:32.720 --> 03:20:35.016
Mintosh, councelor Lee, councelor Murray,

03:20:35.040 --> 03:20:36.455
councelor Hockley, councelor Mimm

03:20:36.479 --> 03:20:39.479
against none and it is carried.

03:20:40.000 --> 03:20:42.936
We are moving to 12.7. That's integrated

03:20:42.960 --> 03:20:45.496
transport strategy implementation update

03:20:45.520 --> 03:20:47.096
and there were no requests to be heard.

03:20:47.120 --> 03:20:50.120
Councilors, I need a mover.

03:20:51.520 --> 03:20:54.455
mover for 12.7

03:20:54.479 --> 03:20:57.479
integrated transport strategy.

03:20:58.640 --> 03:21:01.640
Um, and thank you councelor Hockley. And

03:21:02.239 --> 03:21:04.696
I need a seconder.

03:21:04.720 --> 03:21:06.536
Thank you, councelor Erlic. And

03:21:06.560 --> 03:21:07.976
councelor Hockley, would you like to say

03:21:08.000 --> 03:21:10.215
a few words?

03:21:10.239 --> 03:21:11.736
Councelor Eric, would you like to say a

03:21:11.760 --> 03:21:13.736
few words?

03:21:13.760 --> 03:21:15.096
Only that I agree with councelor

03:21:15.120 --> 03:21:16.455
Hockley.

03:21:16.479 --> 03:21:19.335
Thank you. Any further debate from the

03:21:19.359 --> 03:21:22.056
floor? I'm going to put it to a vote.

03:21:22.080 --> 03:21:24.056
All those in favor, councelor Taylor

03:21:24.080 --> 03:21:25.415
Haynes, councelor Elliot, councelor

03:21:25.439 --> 03:21:27.816
Mintosh, councelor Lee, councelor Murray,

03:21:27.840 --> 03:21:30.136
councelor Hockley, councelor against

03:21:30.160 --> 03:21:32.696
none entities carried.

03:21:32.720 --> 03:21:35.656
Moving to 12.8 proposed discontinuence

03:21:35.680 --> 03:21:37.976
of part of road adjoining gelatulum

03:21:38.000 --> 03:21:39.736
nature reserve and there were no

03:21:39.760 --> 03:21:41.496
requests to be heard. Councilors, I'm in

03:21:41.520 --> 03:21:43.976
your hands. I need a move. Council moved

03:21:44.000 --> 03:21:46.136
and councelor Mintosh seconded.

03:21:46.160 --> 03:21:47.656
Councelor Erlic, would you like to say a

03:21:47.680 --> 03:21:49.176
few words on this? I would like to say

03:21:49.200 --> 03:21:51.896
something about this  um item. Given

03:21:51.920 --> 03:21:53.576
that it's an administrative item, I

03:21:53.600 --> 03:21:55.736
suggest that we just  leave this to

03:21:55.760 --> 03:21:58.375
the officers and  approve it.

03:21:58.399 --> 03:21:59.816
Thank you very much. Councelor Eric,

03:21:59.840 --> 03:22:02.375
councelor Mintosh. Any debate from the

03:22:02.399 --> 03:22:05.255
floor? I'll put it to vote. All those in

03:22:05.279 --> 03:22:07.016
favor, councelor Taylor Hans, councelor

03:22:07.040 --> 03:22:09.096
Elliot, councelor Mintosh, Councelor

03:22:09.120 --> 03:22:10.776
Lee, councelor Murray, councelor Huckley,

03:22:10.800 --> 03:22:13.255
councelor Almim against none and it is

03:22:13.279 --> 03:22:15.576
carried.

03:22:15.600 --> 03:22:18.600
We are moving to 12.9 S11A instrument of

03:22:19.279 --> 03:22:21.335
appointment of authorized officers under

03:22:21.359 --> 03:22:24.359
the planning and environmental act 1987

03:22:24.479 --> 03:22:26.455
and there were no requests to be heard.

03:22:26.479 --> 03:22:28.936
I need a mover. Thank you councelor

03:22:28.960 --> 03:22:31.096
Huckley and moved seconded by councelor

03:22:31.120 --> 03:22:34.120
Macintosh. Councelor Hockley

03:22:35.279 --> 03:22:38.279
all fine people councelor Macintosh.

03:22:39.600 --> 03:22:42.600
Okay. Any further debate from the floor?

03:22:42.640 --> 03:22:44.455
I'll put it to a vote. All those in

03:22:44.479 --> 03:22:46.856
favor, councelor Taylor Hans, councelor

03:22:46.880 --> 03:22:48.776
Ellie, councelor Mintosh, councelor Lee,

03:22:48.800 --> 03:22:50.696
councelor Murray, councelor Hockley,

03:22:50.720 --> 03:22:53.176
councelor Malm against none and it is

03:22:53.200 --> 03:22:55.335
carried.

03:22:55.359 --> 03:22:58.359
That puts us at 12.10 variation to

03:22:58.479 --> 03:23:01.479
contract C/24158

03:23:02.800 --> 03:23:04.696
family leisure center rectification

03:23:04.720 --> 03:23:06.776
works and there were no requests to be

03:23:06.800 --> 03:23:08.776
heard and I need a mover councilors.

03:23:08.800 --> 03:23:11.016
Councelor Eric hands came first and

03:23:11.040 --> 03:23:14.040
seconded by councelor Murray

03:23:14.399 --> 03:23:16.136
and councelor Eric. Would you like to

03:23:16.160 --> 03:23:17.736
say a few words on this?

03:23:17.760 --> 03:23:19.816
Let them repair.

03:23:19.840 --> 03:23:21.816
Thank you councelor Eric and councelor

03:23:21.840 --> 03:23:23.736
Murray.

03:23:23.760 --> 03:23:26.760
I have to agree. I'm sure Mr.

03:23:27.439 --> 03:23:29.736
Justin to your microphone please.

03:23:29.760 --> 03:23:31.576
I'm sure Mr. Crips will make very

03:23:31.600 --> 03:23:34.295
responsible decisions with the 1.5 mil.

03:23:34.319 --> 03:23:36.136
Thank you councelor Mar. Councelor Lee

03:23:36.160 --> 03:23:37.976
please go ahead.

03:23:38.000 --> 03:23:41.000
Yes. Um, obviously it's in in my ward,

03:23:41.120 --> 03:23:44.120
but there are so many people around

03:23:44.800 --> 03:23:47.255
throughout  Bayside that actually use

03:23:47.279 --> 03:23:50.279
that facility. It is huge. And in fact,

03:23:50.640 --> 03:23:52.696
um, about 6 months ago, I took my

03:23:52.720 --> 03:23:54.536
31year-old son there and he hadn't been

03:23:54.560 --> 03:23:57.016
there since he was 14 and he said, "Dad,

03:23:57.040 --> 03:23:59.656
this hasn't changed at all." Right? So,

03:23:59.680 --> 03:24:01.576
which was from someone who'd not been

03:24:01.600 --> 03:24:03.335
there, it was interesting. So in my in

03:24:03.359 --> 03:24:06.359
my in my view um this is increasingly

03:24:07.040 --> 03:24:09.816
becoming a very old set of buildings and

03:24:09.840 --> 03:24:11.656
that it's going to actually make the

03:24:11.680 --> 03:24:13.576
have the council to have a serious look

03:24:13.600 --> 03:24:16.600
at what we do as how it goes. I think

03:24:17.600 --> 03:24:19.656
one of the most important things of that

03:24:19.680 --> 03:24:21.736
particular site because we actually own

03:24:21.760 --> 03:24:24.375
the land. Anything we do anywhere else

03:24:24.399 --> 03:24:26.295
where we have to buy it is in the

03:24:26.319 --> 03:24:27.896
millions of dollars before you start

03:24:27.920 --> 03:24:29.896
where you own the land is very

03:24:29.920 --> 03:24:32.920
important. But my my um certainly the

03:24:33.279 --> 03:24:35.176
soon as we can open the facility the

03:24:35.200 --> 03:24:38.200
better. I think it's um  between that

03:24:38.640 --> 03:24:40.616
whole series of the combination of the

03:24:40.640 --> 03:24:43.415
basketball talk courts and the lot are

03:24:43.439 --> 03:24:46.056
um very valuable to our community there.

03:24:46.080 --> 03:24:48.536
It's certainly um something we've got to

03:24:48.560 --> 03:24:50.616
get it done as quick as properly as

03:24:50.640 --> 03:24:52.936
possible but make sure that we actually

03:24:52.960 --> 03:24:55.255
open it when we can open it, not give

03:24:55.279 --> 03:24:57.816
false hope before it does. So, I'd

03:24:57.840 --> 03:25:00.295
rather you take longer to get it right.

03:25:00.319 --> 03:25:02.056
So, you will have no argument for me

03:25:02.080 --> 03:25:03.896
about getting it right if it takes

03:25:03.920 --> 03:25:04.936
longer.

03:25:04.960 --> 03:25:07.960
Thank you, Council Lee. Council Mintosh.

03:25:08.399 --> 03:25:10.136
Just stating that I I do have an

03:25:10.160 --> 03:25:11.656
interest in this one. I'm a member as

03:25:11.680 --> 03:25:13.176
well and I'd really like to see it back

03:25:13.200 --> 03:25:14.856
online. So, happy to see the works

03:25:14.880 --> 03:25:15.976
proceed. Thank you.

03:25:16.000 --> 03:25:17.576
Thank you, Councelor Macintosh. Any

03:25:17.600 --> 03:25:20.056
further debate?

03:25:20.080 --> 03:25:23.080
, Council A. have seen as councelor

03:25:23.439 --> 03:25:25.896
Macintosh has declared she's a member. I

03:25:25.920 --> 03:25:27.736
I've been a member on and off for

03:25:27.760 --> 03:25:29.736
donkeys years but have only recently

03:25:29.760 --> 03:25:31.496
joined again. So maybe I should declare

03:25:31.520 --> 03:25:34.295
that and just when you go about works of

03:25:34.319 --> 03:25:36.295
this magnitude I mean it's great I think

03:25:36.319 --> 03:25:38.536
that council is doing these works to

03:25:38.560 --> 03:25:41.496
prolong the life of the pool for another

03:25:41.520 --> 03:25:43.736
you know 5 years or so. It's always

03:25:43.760 --> 03:25:45.896
going to be a Pandora's box when you do

03:25:45.920 --> 03:25:48.056
something like this. So, , it seems at

03:25:48.080 --> 03:25:50.375
the moment that it's a slight variation

03:25:50.399 --> 03:25:52.295
and and hopefully we're back on track

03:25:52.319 --> 03:25:54.616
and we got people in the pool again, um,

03:25:54.640 --> 03:25:57.496
from November, December onwards. So, it

03:25:57.520 --> 03:25:59.335
has my approval.

03:25:59.359 --> 03:26:02.359
Thank you, Councelor Taylor Haynes. Um,

03:26:03.120 --> 03:26:06.120
Councelor Eric, would you like to close?

03:26:10.080 --> 03:26:11.335
Let's put it to the vote.

03:26:11.359 --> 03:26:12.936
Thank you. I'll put it to a vote. Those

03:26:12.960 --> 03:26:14.776
in favor, councelor Tyler Haynes,

03:26:14.800 --> 03:26:16.295
councelor Elliot, councelor Mintosh,

03:26:16.319 --> 03:26:18.215
councelor Lee, councelor Murray, councelor

03:26:18.239 --> 03:26:20.696
Hockley, councelor Malm against none and

03:26:20.720 --> 03:26:23.720
it is carried. We are moving to 12.11

03:26:25.200 --> 03:26:27.656
that is council action awaiting report

03:26:27.680 --> 03:26:29.176
and there were no requests to be heard

03:26:29.200 --> 03:26:31.816
and I need a mover councelor Hockley and

03:26:31.840 --> 03:26:34.536
a second over councelor Lee. Any debate

03:26:34.560 --> 03:26:37.335
from the floor on this? I I just  do

03:26:37.359 --> 03:26:38.856
want to speak on this motion and you

03:26:38.880 --> 03:26:40.536
will find this very hard to believe but

03:26:40.560 --> 03:26:42.696
um  there is a particular reason for

03:26:42.720 --> 03:26:44.215
this.  I'm not actually even going to

03:26:44.239 --> 03:26:45.656
speak about the council actual action

03:26:45.680 --> 03:26:47.656
awaiting. I do want to pay tribute to a

03:26:47.680 --> 03:26:50.680
very special  person  who is a

03:26:50.720 --> 03:26:53.496
Bayside  resident  and she will hate

03:26:53.520 --> 03:26:54.776
me for doing this but I just want to

03:26:54.800 --> 03:26:56.375
draw attention to the fact that one of

03:26:56.399 --> 03:26:58.375
the one of these this municipality's

03:26:58.399 --> 03:27:01.096
most outstanding volunteers remains in

03:27:01.120 --> 03:27:03.976
the gallery tonight. Janina Witzbuki is

03:27:04.000 --> 03:27:06.776
a Hyatt resident  who sits through

03:27:06.800 --> 03:27:09.800
council s council meetings takes a lot

03:27:10.000 --> 03:27:12.696
of notes is very active in and a a

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plethora of local community

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organizations and is one of the people

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who I think we spoke about earlier who

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holds this community together so I'm

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sorry for embarrassing you Janina but I

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saw you there

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 you are a star you're a volunteer at

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the community nursery the high progress

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association and a multitude of other

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organizations and I thank Thank you for

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your service.

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Thank you councelor Hley.  further

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debate.

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I'll put it to a vote. All those in

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favor. Councelor Taylor H. Councelor

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Eric Council Mto Council Lee Council

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Murray Council Hockley Council Mim.

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Against none and it is carried. We are

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moving to item 13 reports by delegates

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association of Bayside Municipalities.

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Jill is there anything to report on this

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one?

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Nothing to report Mr. May

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and Metropolitan Transport Forum.

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Councelor Lee.

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Yes, Mr. Mayor. Um, their August

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meeting, um, 6th of August, Professor

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Jgo Dodson from the RMIT provided an

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insight into the oil price vulnerability

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and vulnerability and how increasing in

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fuel prices coupled with a lack of

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access to public transport can risk

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isolating community members. The  M

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MTF has arranged for a briefing on the

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state state budget from the honorable

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member Gabriel Williams, Minister for

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Transport Infrastructure, public act

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public and active transport deal. That's

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a one name in itself.  topic will

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include investment into the bus bus

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reform, increasing activity transport

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use and delivering DDA access

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improvement across the tram network

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amongst other topics.

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 council representative was shared by

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the Hume and the city of Melbourne. I'd

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also like to add um that not the not the

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last meeting, the one before basically

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it was just the entire meeting was just

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a PR exercise for the state government

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about all the train the bus services

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they were going to put across the

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western suburbs. It was  a monotonous,

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incredible waste of time because to be

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perfectly blunt in my opinion, it was

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all spin, spin, spin. And I I it's look,

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I remember the guy's face because he

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kept staying in the whole thing the

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whole time. But it just shows you what

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goes on on that place. And I can tell

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you what, I'd love to actually change

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committees compared to this one. Trust

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me, this is one that um has occasionally

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good speakers, but it's just become a PR

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exercise at the moment.

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H.

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What?

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Oh,

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thank you.

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Thank you, Council Lee.

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 municipal association of Victoria

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there was  no meetings but I

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understand the next state council

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meeting is in

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October

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in October so we will have an update

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then in a sales metropolitan may forum

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this seemed to be just sitting idle

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there but I'm hearing some whispers that

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 Bora would like to restart this forum

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possibly Glenara sorry apologies so

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maybe we might have an update with the

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you may on this item. Southeast

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Council's Climate Change Alliance,

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Councelor Mintosh.

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 just noting that there is a

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leadership forum being planned for

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November. Nothing else new.

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Thank you, Councelor McIntosh. And now

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that I have a move and second for this,

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Councelor Hockley and seconded Councelor

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Mintosh. Put it to a vote. Those are in

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favor. Councelor Taylor Haynes,

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councelor Er, councelor McIntosh,

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councelor Lee, councelor Murray, ,

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councelor Hockley and councelor Alm and

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none

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is against and it is carried.

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Now we are moving to confidential

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business. Councilors, may I have a

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motion that the remainder of the meeting

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be dealt with in camera given the

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following items relate to confidential

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matter in accordance with section 66

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part two part A of the local government

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act 2020 and pursuant to section 3 part

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one part F of this act as a matter

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concerns personal information. I need a

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mover. Councelor Murray moved and the

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seconder councelor Mintosh and all those

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in favor council councelor Taylor

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Haynes. All those in favor councelor

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Taylor Haynes councelor Ellie councelor

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Mintosh council Lee councelor Murray

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councelor Hockley councelor Alim against

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none and it is carried. Council has

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resolved to close the meeting to the

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public at this stage to deal with a

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matter of a confidential nature. Thank

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you to those following the council

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meeting tonight. Good evening officers.

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