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Good evening, councilors, council

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officers, members of the public gallery,

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and the broader community following the

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meeting via live streaming. Welcome to

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the 16th September 2025 council meeting.

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The Mayor has indicated he will arrive

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late for this meeting. In accordance

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with the Local Government Act 2020, if

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the Mayor is absent, I as Deputy Mayor

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will chair the meeting until the arrival

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of the Mayor. This meeting is being

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recorded and streamed live on the

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internet to enhance the accessibility of

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council meetings to the broader Bayside

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community. The recordings are archived

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and available on council's website.

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All care is taken to maintain your

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privacy. However, as a visitor in the

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public gallery, your presence may be

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recorded. In accordance with governance

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rules, members of the community were

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afforded the opportunity to provide a

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written statement or request to speak in

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relation to allegible agenda items for

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tonight's meeting. A copy of the written

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statements received was distributed to

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all counselors yesterday and has been

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published as an attachment to the agenda

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on the council's website.

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A reminder also to councilors, officers

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and members of the public gallery to

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check that your mobiles are switched off

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or  placed on silent during the

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meeting. Councilors, member of the

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gallery, members of the gallery and

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members of the community following 

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live streaming, I wish to advise we

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about to read the prayer and the

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acknowledgement of country. For anyone

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not wishing to be present in the chamber

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or to follow the live streaming for the

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reading of the prayer and the

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acknowledgement of country, there will

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be approximately 10 seconds for the

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reading of both the prayer and then 10

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seconds for the acknowledgement of

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country. You will be advised when this

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is concluded. In addition, a message

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will appear on the screen to indicate

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when to rejoin the meeting. Thank you

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for your understanding in this matter.

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I would like I would now like to invite

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the CEO, Mr. Crips, to read the prayer.

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Oh God, bless this city Bayside. Give us

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courage, strength, and wisdom so that we

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so that our deliberations may be for the

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good of all. Amen.

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I would also like to invite Mr. Crips to

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read the acknowledgement of country.

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Bayside City Council proudly

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acknowledges the Bunurong people of the

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Kulin Nation as the traditional owners

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and custodians of this land. We pay our

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respects to their Elders, past, present,

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and emerging, as well as any Aboriginal

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or Torres Strait Islander community

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members with us today.

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Officers, please invite any individuals

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to return to the chamber and indicate

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for the live stream that we will now be

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continuing with the business on the

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agenda.  apologies. Are there any

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apologies? There are  just just the

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one for now, a late notice  of the

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Mayor  who has indicated he will be

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arriving  late for the meeting. Are

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there any  declarations of conflict

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of interest councilors?

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No.  moving to item 5.1, confirmation

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of the minutes of Bayside City Council

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meeting held on the 19th of August. Do I

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have a mover, please? Thank you,

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Councelor Hockley. And do I have a

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seconder?

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Thank you, councelor Leigh. All those in

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favor,

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councelor Hockley, Councelor Irlicht,

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Councelor McIntosh, Councelor Leigh,

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Councelor Elli Murray. Thank you. And

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so move, councelor Taylor Haynes. And it

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is carried.

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In accordance with council's governance

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rules, we will move on to public

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question time. We have a maximum of 15

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minutes  allocated for this time.

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The questions and responses read out

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during the time are published in the

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minutes. All questions, even those not

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read out in the allotted time, will be

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responded to in writing.

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No more than two questions with a

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maximum of two parts to each question

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are permitted per individual. The

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reading of each question will be limited

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to the question only. Any associated

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preamble is not read out unless required

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for clarity. On occasion, the CEO or

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Mayor or Deputy Mayor may determine to

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redact or disallow a question on the

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basis that it does not comply with

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council's governance rules. There were

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13 public questions received. The first

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one is from Miss Courtney Desar

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 submitted a question related to the

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high common developments.  the

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question asked was following its

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responses to public questions in May and

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June 2025 meetings, can council now

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please update the community on the

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status of the Middleton Street exit from

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the high common development and the

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developers unapproved widening of this

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road in early May. Response for them the

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CEO please.

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Sorry, a few technical difficulties.

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 the developer of the CSIRO site has

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provided an undertaking to council to

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rectify the entry exit road surface off

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Middleton Street to ensure compliance

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with the planning permit and endorse

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plans by mid October.

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Our

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investigations team will continue to

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monitor  this matter to ensure

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compliance is achieved within the

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required time frames.

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Please bear with us. We've got a few

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technical issues here at the moment. 

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so the second question is from Mr.

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Douglas Klene on behalf of the High

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Progress Association.

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 Mr. Douglas  asked a question

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related to the Highett Common Development.

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The question asked on behalf of the

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Highett Progress Association. I would like

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to ask council part A, can local

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residents be assured that the new open

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space at Highett Common will remain closed

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to the public and access until all

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defects are remeded, including both

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their inadequate

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drainage and poor child safety.

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Given the unfenced playground within

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meters of Graham Road and part B of the

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question, is there a time frame for

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rectification of all defects? I shall

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hand this over.

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Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor in

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response to part A, the new open space

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park on Graham Road in Highett will remain

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fenced until the grass is well

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established across the surface of the

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park. Inadequate drainage was identified

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as a defect and the developer has 

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taken action to rectify including the

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recent installation of additional

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drainage Aggie pipes  aerration and

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receding of the surface. Council expects

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to see a grass cover established well

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within the drainage issue well with

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the drainage issue rectified over the

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spring growing season.

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The scope of the works does not include

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gates  to close the opening of the

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park area along Graham Road. When

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considering fencing around parks,

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council adopts the approach advised by

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Play Australia who do not support the

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provision of fencing around playgrounds

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except where there are particular issues

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concerning access but not as a safety

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barrier. Firstly, because fencing does

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not prevent most children from running

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away if they wish to. And secondly, it

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is the responsibility of parents to

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supervise their children in public open

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space. The extent of works  provided

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by the developer including the extent of

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fencing was agreed in a section 173

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agreement at the planning permit stage.

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In response to part B, the subsoil

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drainage defect has been addressed by

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the developer and council is now waiting

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for the grass to establish over the

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entire surface of the park. It is

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expected that the grass will be

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sufficiently established during the

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spring growing season and council will

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continue to monitor the progress.

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Mr. Douglas Klein submitted a further

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question related to the high grassy

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woodland and the high common. The

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question asked is since council's

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previous response in June 2024 to public

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questions from the highett progress

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association, can council now update part

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A of the question if there has been any

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progress to resolve the previous dispute

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and ensure a public pedestrian access

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from Bay Road to the Highett Grassy

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Woodland. Part B. As construction work

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on Highett Common may be expected to

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extend for another 5 to seven years, if

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not longer, when is it foreseen that the

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community will have access to the high

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grassy woodland, including the

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designated parking spaces from Graham

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Road andor Middleton Street.

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Thank you, Madame Mayor.  Madame Deputy

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Mayor in 2024, council  officers

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engaged directly with representatives of

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the owners corporation of 337 Bay Road,

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Cheltenham. The owners corporation has

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expressed that it strongly opposes any

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attempt from council to secure a linkage

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through the site to the high grassy

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woodland and they are unwilling to

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negotiate outcomes where council may

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purchase or secure access rights to that

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part of the site. In response to part B,

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council officers are in the process of

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implementing the 10-year Highett grassy

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woodland master plan, which aims to

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return the site into an area of grassy

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woodland.

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We are approximately 18 months into the

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action plan into the actions planned

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for year 1 and two. This has involved

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extensive weed control and removal of

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pest animal species and tree

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maintenance. Council is also fencing

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areas of significant vegetation to

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protect  restoration efforts. It is

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anticipated that a preliminary

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pedestrian pathway network will be in

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place by late November 2025.

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Access to the Highett grassy woodland is

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pending works by the developer to safely

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allow public access through the road

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network within the site. Should the

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Middleton Street entrance become

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available, council will be in a position

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to allow some community access to the

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highett grassy woodland. It is understood

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that access to the road network  may

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be from November 2025.

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Thank you, Mr. Crips. Mr. Graeme

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Roberts, question four, submitted a

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question related to the car parking

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spaces on Beach Road opposite the

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Brighton Savoy.

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He asked, "In October 2024, council

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removed 20 car parking spaces on Beach

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Road opposite the Brighton Savoy and

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made them bus only parking 24/7. No

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buses use this bus zone in the

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afternoons, evenings, and early mornings

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and only spasmodically buses park there

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in the A.M.

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When will council change the parking so

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that rate payers and beachgoers can use

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this parking again instead of this bus

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zone just being empty? Response from the

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CEO.

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The interim actions or action to

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allocate bus parking opposite 164

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Eplanade Brighton nearby the Savoy

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Hotel for the next 12 months is in line

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with the Dendy Beach visitor management

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plan which identifies this site as the

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preferred option for bus parking. This

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plan was made in collaboration with the

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Bayside Tourism Network which is

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comprised of Bayside community members.

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This temporary parking allocation is

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currently subject to traffic counts and

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an assessment that  being conducted

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over a minimum period of 12 months to

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accurately assess and manage the impacts

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and understand if this location is most

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suitable as a permanent solution. We

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anticipate that this summer the bus

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parking will be used at capacity during

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the day but are exploring all options

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that can balance residents ease of

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access and tourism promotion. Council

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officers have not made any decision at

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this stage to permanently allocate bus

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parking and zoning at this location and

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a report will be made to the March 2026

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council meeting on the progress of the

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implementation of the plan's actions in

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relation to parking, transport and the

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general upkeep of the area.

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Thank you, Mr. CEO. Question number

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five, Mr. Graeme Roberts submitted a

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question related to the bus zone

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opposite the Savoy Hotel on Beach Road.

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And Mr. Roberts asked further to my

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question to council to take action and

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re-evaluate the bus zone established

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last October opposite the Savoy Hotel

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on Beach Road and give back parking to

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rate payers and beachgoers wanting to

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park due to the lack of the bus use. I

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would also like council to make public

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at the rate payers the initial data and

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factual decisions to install the bus

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zone and also the data collected more

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recently by council counters. Can

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council please make this available for

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the public record and review. Response

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from the CEO.

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Thank you Madame Deputy Mayor. 

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further to the previous response as

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indicated, a report will be made  to

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the March 2026 council meeting on the

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progress and implementation of the

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plan's  actions in relation to

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parking, transport, and the general

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upkeep of the area however, if you

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would like to seek  records of any

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council information, this can be done

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through Freedom of Information request

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um via council's website.

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Thank you. A further eight questions

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were received from Miss Veronica

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Sharman, Miss Rachel Kashmore, Miss

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Laney Stockman, Miss Sil Manard, Miss

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Rahham Mloud, Dr. Amy Mocktov, and Mr.

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Daniel Phillips. All discussing no

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notice of motion 349 on this evening's

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agenda titled recognizing and addressing

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anti-semitism in Bayside and or

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discussing the application of the

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international holocaust remembrance

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alliance working definition of

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anti-semitism

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in accordance with chapter 2 division 8

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section 57

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 of council's governance rules

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questions which are similar in nature

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may be grouped together and a single

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answer provided. The questions in their

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entire entirety have been provided to

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counselors for their information. The

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following response from the CEO is a

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collective response to the questions

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mentioned. Response from the CEO.

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The matters contained in all of those um

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questions  will be duly considered at

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item 11.1 on this evening's agenda.

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Notice of motion 349 recognizing and

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addressing anti-semitism in Bayside.

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Thank you. That concludes public

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question time. The questions and

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responses read out will be published in

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the minutes and be responded to in

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writing.

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So we move on to section seven of the

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agenda agenda petitions to council.

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There were no petitions submitted to

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this meeting.  section 8 minutes of

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the advisory committees. So we have 8.1

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records of meetings held under the

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opices of council. Can I please have a

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mover

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councelor Mintosh? Thank you. And can I

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have a seconder please? Councelor

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Hockley.

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All those in favor. So council councelor

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Hockley, councelor Eri, councelor

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McIntosh, councelor Leigh, councelor

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Murray and councelor Taylor Haynes. So

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the motion is carried. Thank you.

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8.2 minutes of the audit and risk

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committee held  on 25th of AP August

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20125. Can I have a mover please?

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Councelor Leigh. Thank you. Can I have a

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seconder? Councelor Murray. Thank you.

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All those in favor? Councelor Hockley,

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Councelor Eri, Councelor Mintosh,

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Councelor Leigh, and Councelor Murray, and

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councelor Taylor Haynes.

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And it's move. It's carried. Thank you.

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So, moving on to item 8.3, minutes of

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the special audit and risk committee

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meeting held on the 8th of September,

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, 2025. Can I have a mover, please?

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Councelor Leigh. Thank you. Can I have a

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seconder? Councelor Erlict. Thank you.

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All those in favor, councelor Hockley,

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Councelor Erlict, Councelor Mintosh,

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Councelor Leigh, Councelor Murray, and

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Councelor Taylor Haynes. And so carried.

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So moving on to section nine, reports by

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special committees. There were no

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reports. And moving on to item 10,

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urgent business. There were no items of

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urgent business.

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So moving on to the next section of the

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agenda, notices of motion. Item 11.1,

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notice of motion 349, recognizing and

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addressing anti-semitism in Bayside.

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Councelor Erlic, do you wish to move

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your mo not motives of motion? And so so

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moved.  do I have a seconder? Thank

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you, Councelor Hockley. So councelor

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Erlic, um can you please read the

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motion?

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[Music]

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I, Councelor Robert Erlict, hereby give

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notice that I intend to move at the

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council meeting to be held on the 16th

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of September 25 at 6:30 p.m. at the

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council.

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Um, counselor Eric, can you actually

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move the motion? ,

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okay. Okay, just the motion.

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The motion council number one endorses

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the international Holocaust Remembrance

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Alliance definition of anti-semitism.

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Anti-semitism is a certain perception of

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Jews which may be expressed as hatred

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towards Jews. Rhetorical and physical

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manifestations of anti-semitism are

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directed towards Jewish or non-Jewish

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individuals andor their property towards

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Jewish community institutions and

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religious facilities.

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Number two acknowledges the increase of

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anti-semitism within Bayside and it

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affirms its commitment to support

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community cohesion.

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Number three explores a strategy that

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will provide meaningful action

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associated with leadership, planning,

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advocacy, community engagement, public

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education and awareness to support

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social cohesion that addresses but is

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not limited to anti-semitism.

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and four affirms that the safety and

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inclusion of the Jewish community is an

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integral part of Bayside and that

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council will work tirely tirelessly to

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foster social cohesion within the

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municipality free from hatred,

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discrimination and indifference.

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Thank you councelor Erlic. You may now

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debate.

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Thank you madame  deputy Mayor. Fellow

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counselors, Ryan Bachelor, MP,

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Deputy Mayor of Stonington, Councelor

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Tom Humphre,

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and community members in the gallery.

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Thank you for joining us to address this

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urgent issue of anti-semitism.

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Your presence strengths strengthens our

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resolve.

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I campaigned on local issues

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and that's exactly what I'm doing.

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Anti-semitism is a local crisis

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on our streets, in our schools, and

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hitting our residents.

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Despite official numbers indicating a

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dip in reported incidents in Bayside in

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2024, the JCCV and the CSG note a rising

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tide. Anecdotal surges in 2025.

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Under reported harassment, fear gripping

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Bayside families.

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Jewish kids face slurs at the Melbourne

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Museum.

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Abuse echoes at Nepian Highway and

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Hampton Street. The Ripley Synagogue

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firebombing at

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The Ripen Leigh firebombing, which is a

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terrorist act, jolts us all. This is our

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problem here. Now,

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I'm saddened

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with our broader Jewish community that

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this motion is needed in Bayside,

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Victoria,

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our home, which is shadowed by hate,

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forcing us to vi fight for our dignity

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and our very existence.

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This isn't about the Middle East. It's

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not about Israel. This is not about

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Gaza. Conflating anti-semitism with

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geopolitics is in itself anti-semitic

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and it weaponizes Jewish safety. Yet

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some do this, linking our motion to

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Israel,

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disturbing ignorance at best, hatred at

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worst.

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Anti-semitism is a virus, not just

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words, but division, fear, violence.

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It threatens our cohesion, our

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democracy, our future.

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It's the fastest growing and most

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violent hatred today. Synagogues

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torched, homes vandalized,

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rallies chanting hate

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in Bayside.

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With a large Jewish population, silence

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is not an option.

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Social media fuels this, amplifying

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extreme voices, eroding respectful

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discourse.

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Local government is where values meet

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reality.

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Our decisions on our streets, our civic

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spaces, our school gates set the tone.

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Clarity fosters safety. Hesitation lets

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hate prevail.

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Our

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apologies for the technical issues here.

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I think we're working again, right?

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demands that we act. Anti-semitism

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corrods trust, licensing other hatreds.

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Protecting our Jewish residents sets the

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standard for all. We can't outsource

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this to CRA or the local police. Local

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guard.

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Thanks.

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Local guard rails, swift responses, safe

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spaces, and calm messaging make our

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streets and schools thrive. We protect

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free speech, not harassment.

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Over 250 mayers and counselors at the

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Australian May's summit against

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anti-semitism confirmed this hate is

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loud violent and here

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Waverly Council's IRA based model offers

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practical steps stronger police ties

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school education community partnerships

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as Sydney Baker who shopped Vandalized

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said it best. This isn't about Israel.

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It's about Jews. It's anti-semitism.

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The IRA definition adopted by 46

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countries including Australia in 2021

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and reaffirmed in 2025 and backed by the

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United Nations, the European Union, 39

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Australian universities and councils

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like Glenara is the gold standard. It

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defines anti-semitism as hatred towards

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Jews, targeting their persons, property

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or institutions, cutting through

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disguised hate. Mayor move an extension

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of third time.

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Do I have a seconder, please? Councelor

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Murray. So moved.

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A fringe group falsely claims that it

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silences Israel criticism, but rejecting

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this tool is an affront to decency, just

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as dismissing anti-indigenous or

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islamophobia definitions would be.

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Silence, my friends, is complicity.

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Premier David Christopher Leigh warned,

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and I quote, "Anti-semitism is ripping

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our moral fabric, winding the clock back

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a century.

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Even small acts normalize hate, suppress

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free expression, and fuel in

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starts with the Jews but never ends

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there.

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[Music]

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I move that Bayside adopt the IRA

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definition and urgently explore

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Waverly's model. Our Jewish residents

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deserve safety, support, and

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celebration. Our community is stronger

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when we act.

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Courage, my friends, is contagious.

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Counselors, do I have your support? I so

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move. Thank you, Councelor Erlict. Coun,

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[Applause]

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Councelor Hockley.

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, thank you, Madam Deputy May. I won't

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 speak for as long or as eloquently as

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my colleague, but I do want to say a

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couple of things about um the specifics

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and the reason for my support of this

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motion tonight. And that is because it

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is essentially and and and fundamentally

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a local  initiative. Um you can say

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what you like about the  the

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definition of anti-semitism um by the 

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international holocaust. Um

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um yeah, Remembrance Alliance. Thank

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you, councelor. Um the the only thing

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that I need to understand about it is

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that  it was supported by  the Scott

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Morrison government and the Daniel

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Andrews government. And if you're

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anywhere in between those two 

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positions, then it's  it's perfectly

00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:17.736
fine for me. What makes it even more

00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:20.696
appropriate I think is that  it was

00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.856
blocked by for adoption by the

00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.296
organization for security and

00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:27.320
cooperation in Europe by Russia. So

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.440
that's um that has sold me on it. Um I

00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.375
thank

00:28:32.399 --> 00:28:34.296
I thank

00:28:34.320 --> 00:28:35.976
the many people who have taken the

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.375
trouble to email me and phone over the

00:28:38.399 --> 00:28:41.399
last few days. Um I I understand this is

00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:44.296
an issue that engages the passions and

00:28:44.320 --> 00:28:46.535
the emotions and I don't wish to inflame

00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.559
them  any further. But I think  I do

00:28:49.919 --> 00:28:52.296
want to pay tribute to the Jewish

00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:54.456
Community Council of Victoria and it's

00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.535
 and its excellent chair  Philip

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:57.976
Zjac who I've had the privilege of

00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.775
knowing for nearly 30 years. Philip 

00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.096
is a is an excellent leader of the

00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:05.015
community  and he's done a fine job.

00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.976
his words, we're basically whatever we

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.000
can do to help is is not not too much

00:29:12.080 --> 00:29:15.080
trouble for for us. And in Bayside, the

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.176
Jewish community is not only the second

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.200
largest  in Melbourne, it is um

00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.895
Judaism is the fourth largest religion

00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:26.775
 in Bayside, which for me rec you know

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.799
is is sufficient to justify the effort

00:29:30.399 --> 00:29:32.775
of looking at ways in which we can make

00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.336
sure that the community is safe, is

00:29:35.360 --> 00:29:38.360
protected,  and its well-being  and

00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.015
rights are are established in exactly

00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.176
the same way as anybody else's.

00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.496
Um, does that make a special case of the

00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:48.520
Jews of um of Bayside? Well, perhaps.

00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.176
But understand this, in my ward, the

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.200
Grace Heart Church does not have ram

00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.880
proof doors. The St. Agnes Catholic

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.696
Church does not have a special container

00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.856
to render its sacred scriptures

00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.696
fireproof.

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.720
Sandringham High School doesn't tell its

00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:13.080
students to change into plain clothes

00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.255
and out of their school uniforms to

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.279
travel on public transport.

00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.255
For that reason alone, the money that

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.279
Bayside has set aside for public safety,

00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.176
community safety is well spent in my

00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.200
view on measures that ensure that Jews

00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.416
of Bayside are not constantly looking

00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.496
over their shoulder, are not constantly

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:38.056
questioning the decisions of teachers in

00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:40.135
schools about when and when not to

00:30:40.159 --> 00:30:42.856
intervene when there are clearly

00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.816
anti-Semitic behaviors being undertaken.

00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:48.840
 and frankly there is um there is a

00:30:49.120 --> 00:30:52.120
great deal to do as councelor said. Um

00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.456
I'm also going to do something that I

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.375
know a number of my colleagues um won't

00:30:56.399 --> 00:30:58.616
expect me to do but there is a there is

00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.416
a message from our  state member of

00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.895
parliament for Brighton Mr. James

00:31:03.919 --> 00:31:06.919
Newbury, who is in fact not one of my

00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.039
natural um  brethren,

00:31:13.919 --> 00:31:16.456
but  a mitzvah to James because he has

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:17.976
sent this message, and it's my privilege

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.375
to read it. Now is the time for us all

00:31:20.399 --> 00:31:22.135
to stand up and take active steps to

00:31:22.159 --> 00:31:23.736
protect what is good about our community

00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:25.895
and call that what is bad. Never in

00:31:25.919 --> 00:31:27.736
Victoria has there been a more pressing

00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:29.976
need to actively ensure that we maintain

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.135
our way of life and protect our social

00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:35.159
cohesion.

00:31:35.840 --> 00:31:37.655
Councelor Hockley, would you like to

00:31:37.679 --> 00:31:40.456
move requested? Okay. Thank you.

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.176
Do we have a mover?  councelor Erlict

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.416
and councelor Murray as a seconder.

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:45.895
Thank you.

00:31:45.919 --> 00:31:47.255
James doesn't go on for very much longer

00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.495
and I'll finish there. Um, our social

00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:50.936
cohesion is being torn and the Jewish

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.375
community has wrongly been pushed into

00:31:52.399 --> 00:31:54.535
the center of that tear. In our Bayside

00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.216
community in Melbourne, in Victoria, and

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.135
across the country, our Jewish community

00:31:58.159 --> 00:31:59.895
has been the continual victim of hateful

00:31:59.919 --> 00:32:02.375
anti-semitism. It's unfair. It's wrong.

00:32:02.399 --> 00:32:03.976
And we must all speak out collectively

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.495
against that hate. We've seen many

00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.495
examples of hatefulness, but perhaps the

00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:08.856
most disturbing was the firebombing of

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.535
the Adas Israel synagogue just beyond

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.176
the council border by, I might add, the

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.736
agents of a foreign power. I strongly

00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:17.336
support the motion before Bayside

00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:18.775
Council which acknowledges both the real

00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:20.775
threat faced by the Jewish community and

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.456
proactively supports their safety and

00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.535
inclusion. Part of that work requires an

00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.216
accepted definition of anti-semitism

00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.495
which should be done by endorsement of

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.135
the IHRA definition. Now is the time for

00:32:30.159 --> 00:32:31.816
us all to use our collective voices for

00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:33.336
good and actively ensure that every

00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:34.856
person in our community is safe and

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:35.655
included.

00:32:35.679 --> 00:32:37.766
Thank you, Councelor Hockley.

00:32:37.790 --> 00:32:40.790
[Applause]

00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:47.816
Councilors, do we have any further

00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:50.840
speakers to m counselor Macintosh?

00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.480
Sorry, the only microphone.

00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.655
Thank you. Thank you to councelor Erlic

00:33:05.679 --> 00:33:08.616
for raising this issue. It is perhaps a

00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.616
coincidence that we also have council's

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.696
health and inclusion plan on the agenda

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.336
for this evening's meeting. Key elements

00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:17.736
of our health and inclusion plan are

00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:19.736
community health and well-being, social

00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:22.456
connectivity, social cohesion, feeling

00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.480
safe, and feeling included in Bayside.

00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:27.096
We know and acknowledge that

00:33:27.120 --> 00:33:30.120
anti-semitism is on the rise with 552

00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.176
recorded incidents in Victoria last

00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.255
year. And this obviously doesn't count

00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.176
those that have occurred and have not

00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.936
been reported. So it's fair to assume

00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.096
that the actual number is considerably

00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:44.120
higher. Whether anti-semitism occurs in

00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:46.616
Bayside or surrounds, whether it's

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.616
experienced directly by our Bayside

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.936
Jewish residents or is the experience of

00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.495
their friends and relatives elsewhere or

00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.976
other areas that they may visit, work or

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.535
play. council's acknowledgement of this

00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.535
as a community safety and social

00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.696
cohesion issue and to demonstrate

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.856
leadership in addressing this together

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.936
with neighboring councils and together

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.960
with our community is an important step.

00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:12.296
We can't say that council takes

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.320
community safety seriously and then not

00:34:15.359 --> 00:34:17.895
take action on one element of this being

00:34:17.919 --> 00:34:20.375
anti-semitism in this instance because

00:34:20.399 --> 00:34:22.536
it's too hard or because it's too

00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:24.456
controversial.

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.456
Of course, no form of hatred or other

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.456
form of discrimination is acceptable

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.855
either. However, Bayside, like its

00:34:30.879 --> 00:34:33.016
neighboring municipalities, is home to a

00:34:33.040 --> 00:34:35.176
significant Jewish population who

00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:38.200
deserve to feel safe, to feel heard, to

00:34:38.879 --> 00:34:41.655
feel valued, and to feel welcome in our

00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.536
community. I also acknowledge receiving

00:34:44.560 --> 00:34:46.216
a number of messages and emails

00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:48.216
regarding this motion with concern from

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:50.216
some correspondents about the definition

00:34:50.240 --> 00:34:53.240
included here. This motion is not about

00:34:53.520 --> 00:34:56.135
geopolitical conflict elsewhere. It is

00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.159
about safety in our community here and

00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:01.496
now. The IRA definition of

00:35:01.520 --> 00:35:03.496
anti-semitism, as others have already

00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:05.416
stated, has been carefully considered

00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.440
and adopted with bipartisan support by

00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:10.055
both the federal government and the

00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.296
Victorian state government and by our

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.136
neighboring municipality of Glenra,

00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:15.815
which has the highest Jewish population

00:35:15.839 --> 00:35:18.696
of any municipality in Victoria. As

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:21.720
such, I'm supportive of this motion.

00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:26.590
[Applause]

00:35:30.240 --> 00:35:32.376
Thank you, Councelor Mintosh. Councelor

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.095
Murray's

00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.119
got

00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:43.815
Councelor Leigh, can you pass over the

00:35:43.839 --> 00:35:46.839
microphone, please?

00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.280
Give me my microphone back.

00:36:04.420 --> 00:36:06.616
[Music]

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:08.456
Thank you.

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.176
, deputy Mayor. Um, I'm neither

00:36:11.200 --> 00:36:14.200
articulate like councelor Erlic nor have

00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:17.240
the comedic timing of councelor Hockley.

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.896
This notice of motion acknowledges the

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.296
existence and impact of anti-semitism

00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.696
within our Bayside community. It is

00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:26.536
absolutely appropriate that council

00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:29.095
takes a firm position and affirms its

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.536
commitment to support community

00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:32.456
cohesion, not just with respect to

00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.296
anti-semitism, of course, but indeed all

00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.320
forms of racism and social disharmony. I

00:36:37.359 --> 00:36:39.095
acknowledge the not insignificant number

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.335
of emails and phone calls that we as a

00:36:41.359 --> 00:36:43.335
counselor group have received over the

00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:45.416
last week. I acknowledge the serious

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.936
misgivings that have been expressed

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.376
almost all of which relate to the

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.376
definition of anti-semitism outlined in

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.616
paragraph one of this not  this

00:36:52.640 --> 00:36:54.776
motion. I note however that this

00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.696
definition has been adopted as has been

00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:59.016
said um previously tonight by 46

00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:01.256
countries including the US, Canada,

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.416
Germany, the United Kingdom and France

00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.256
by both major parties at the federal

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.335
level, the state level and by Glen Ira

00:37:07.359 --> 00:37:09.575
City Council. This motion is consistent

00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.176
with the federal, state and local

00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:13.896
jurisdictions in this context. Council

00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.736
does not and should not in involve

00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.815
itself in or pass judgment over or

00:37:17.839 --> 00:37:20.055
endorse the geopolitics, laws,

00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:21.896
hostilities or acts of government of

00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.216
other nations, states or peoples. Those

00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:26.296
issues are the remit of other levels of

00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.456
government. This motion is rightly

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.456
focused solely on advancing the

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.176
principles of safety, security, social

00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.095
cohesion, and harmony that we all are

00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.976
entitled to enjoy as Bayside residents.

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.216
I commend this notice of motion and

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:43.240
reiterate my support for it. Thank you.

00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:46.720
[Applause]

00:37:50.240 --> 00:37:51.896
Thank you, Councelor Murray. Councelor

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.920
Leigh, would you like to say a few words?

00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.335
If it if it goes, I can speak a I think

00:37:57.359 --> 00:37:59.815
you can hear me loud enough without it.

00:37:59.839 --> 00:38:02.839
Can I say I'm fortunate um as an

00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:05.976
Australian, my parents came to Australia

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.736
after World War II, my father for

00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.456
nothing, and my mom was a 10 pound palm.

00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.936
And if you watch Stan newspap Stan,

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.456
don't believe the nonsense that's on

00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.936
there about what they said about£10 10B

00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.416
palms. We were all welcome. That's the

00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.416
point. We were about building a country

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.335
for us all. Nobody actually asked us

00:38:23.359 --> 00:38:26.055
whether you were a Catholic, a Jew, a

00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.136
Church of England, which was why I was

00:38:28.160 --> 00:38:29.815
all the changes, all the changes of

00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:32.376
names that we've had. We all we were

00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.256
one. And I think we still are one. And I

00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.815
think when you see examples of um

00:38:37.839 --> 00:38:40.839
synagogues being burnt, bl destroyed,

00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:43.575
their artifacts

00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.335
um and you know that it actually has

00:38:45.359 --> 00:38:47.976
come from well well obviously to the

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.896
credit of the federal government, they

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.920
removed removed a um an ambassador from

00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:56.200
our country for what happened. So there

00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.296
is no tolerance for people being hating

00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.976
other people. whatever your whatever

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.216
your religions are. As far as I'm

00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:03.736
concerned,

00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.760
um I think we are all Australians.

00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.176
That's what we should be. And over the

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.416
last few days, I've had lots of emails.

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.896
I've had a lot from both sides. I have

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.575
actually rung some of the other side to

00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.976
find out what they said. I do, as I

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.896
said, like I've actually asked a couple

00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.456
of my mates who  I've grown up with

00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:23.896
over the years who have Jewish

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.256
backgrounds and asked them what they

00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.136
thought. and they a couple of them said

00:39:28.160 --> 00:39:30.296
to me that you know they had started to

00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.456
feel like they had to worry about what

00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.335
happened. It's not good enough. So I'm

00:39:35.359 --> 00:39:37.815
as far as I'm concerned. So all I can

00:39:37.839 --> 00:39:40.216
say is you should know that from

00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:42.936
everybody in Bayside Council has the one

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.575
thing that we believe in and that is

00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.815
that everybody in this room is as equal

00:39:47.839 --> 00:39:50.696
as anybody else. That's what Australia

00:39:50.720 --> 00:39:53.720
was when we came here after and I say I

00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.416
was born here so I'm fortunate but when

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.575
my parents came here that's what they

00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.335
believed that's what they understood

00:39:59.359 --> 00:40:01.575
till their passing and I think that's

00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.055
what it should be to today and I think

00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.216
if people want to do horrendous things

00:40:06.240 --> 00:40:08.696
to people then in my opinion um if

00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:11.335
they're not Australian citizens I'm for

00:40:11.359 --> 00:40:13.416
removing them from our country without

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.440
any argument and secondly um I think if

00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:18.936
you go caught doing u things that are

00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.856
damaging ing other people. Well, there

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.335
are prisons to lock people up for doing

00:40:23.359 --> 00:40:25.256
um outrageous things to the people. So,

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.416
as far as I'm concerned, there is only

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.256
one there is only one thing about

00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.656
Bayside Council and that is we all work

00:40:31.680 --> 00:40:33.496
together for one simple purpose is that

00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:35.416
we have a great place to live and we

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.095
want to make sure it continues for not

00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.119
just us, my grandchildren and children.

00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:42.616
So, as far as I'm concerned, there is

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:44.456
nobody in this room that says other than

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one thing that we all work together.

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[Applause]

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Thank you, Councelor Leigh. Um, much has

00:40:57.520 --> 00:41:00.520
been said. If I can add a few words um

00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:03.335
on behalf of myself. So, today councelor

00:41:03.359 --> 00:41:05.815
Erlict is asking us to take a clear

00:41:05.839 --> 00:41:08.456
stand against anti-semitism.

00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.480
When anti-semitism is tolerated, it does

00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.599
not remain isolated. It fuels division,

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.575
fear, and violence against Jewish

00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.599
people. Local council is the closest to

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.256
the community. And it's important that

00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.736
our Jewish residents, indeed all our

00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.536
residents, feel safe, connected, and

00:41:28.560 --> 00:41:31.335
respected. We are not here, it's been

00:41:31.359 --> 00:41:33.335
established, we're not here to debate on

00:41:33.359 --> 00:41:35.656
the Middle East conflict. We are focused

00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:37.976
on the safety and well-being of our

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.000
local Jewish community. My hope in

00:41:41.359 --> 00:41:43.656
passing this motion is that we send a

00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:46.680
simple but powerful message that Bayside

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.936
Council stands firmly on the side of

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.960
respect, dignity, and safety for all.

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Indeed, I hope that every Bayside

00:41:54.319 --> 00:41:56.696
resident, regardless of their faith or

00:41:56.720 --> 00:41:59.496
background, feels like they belong here,

00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:01.815
that they are protected here, and that

00:42:01.839 --> 00:42:04.839
hate has no home here. Can I please put

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.599
for the motion to  all those in favor?

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.440
Councelor Hockley. Councelor, sorry.

00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:15.575
Sorry.

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You get I'm jumping ahead to pass the

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motion here and and get it carried.

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.736
Councelor Erlick, do you have a right of

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.760
reply?

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The data is undeniable.

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In 2024, there were 552 reported

00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.216
incidents of anti-semitism in Victoria

00:42:42.240 --> 00:42:45.240
alone. That number ballooned to 2,000

00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.256
nationally. And these are just the

00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.280
reported incidents.

00:42:50.319 --> 00:42:52.536
We've had local realities. Ripley

00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:55.016
synagogue firebombed,

00:42:55.040 --> 00:42:57.496
children harassed, and abuse on our

00:42:57.520 --> 00:43:00.520
streets. And this demands action. There

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.055
is an adage. It's an old adage, but it

00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.216
stands tall.

00:43:06.240 --> 00:43:08.696
When people remain silent, evil

00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:11.656
prevails, and we will no longer remain

00:43:11.680 --> 00:43:14.680
silent in Bayside.

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I thank the counselors for their support

00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.256
and

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I reiterate what I said before.

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Courage, my friends, is contagious. I

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say move.

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Thank you, Councelor Erlic.

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I sh

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I shall now put councelor Erlick's

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motion to the vote. All those in favor,

00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.976
councelor Hockley, councelor Eri,

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.055
councelor Macintosh, councelor Leigh,

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:49.815
councelor Murray, and councelor Taylor

00:43:49.839 --> 00:43:52.839
Haynes. And so it is carried.

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Councelor,

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[Applause]

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Deputy May, Madam Deputy Mayor, we

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please have a 5m minute break.

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, yes. Do I have a seconder?

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, seconder. Councelor Erlict. Thank

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.376
you. We have a five minute break. Thank

00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.536
you. Oh, sorry. All those in favor, we

00:44:16.560 --> 00:44:17.736
need to go through the procedure.

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Councelor Hockley, councelor Erlic,

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.416
Councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh, Coun

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.016
Councelor Murray, Councelor Taylor

00:44:23.040 --> 00:44:25.176
Haynes. And so it is carried. 5 minutes

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adjourment. Thank you.

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All those in favor, councelor Harkley,

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.016
councelor McIntosh, Councelor Leigh,

00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:37.016
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

00:44:37.040 --> 00:44:40.040
Haynes. So, moving on to  agenda item

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11.2, notice of motion 350, truck access

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in Kingston Street, Hampton. Do I have a

00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.536
mover, please? Councelor Murray. Thank

00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:53.176
you. And a seconder, Councelor McIntosh.

00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.136
Thank you. , councelor Murray, can you

00:44:56.160 --> 00:44:59.160
please read out the motion?

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Shall I read the motion?

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Can you read the motion?

00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.376
I'll read the motion in this instance

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.856
and we'll we'll get it on the go. So,

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that council writes to the Department of

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Transport and Planning to request

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approval to install no truck signs R6

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-10-2

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applying to Kingston Street in Hampton

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between Ludstone Street and South Road.

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Councelor Murray, hopefully you got 

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.800
some microphone, you can begin your

00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:33.575
debate. Thank you.

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Do I need a second?

00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:39.095
Yeah. We've got a second.

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Mintosh was your second death. Thank

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:41.656
you.

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Um, this is a slightly more mundane

00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:46.680
topic than our previous item. Um,

00:45:47.520 --> 00:45:49.656
the residents of Kingston Street Hampton

00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:51.656
are incredibly concerned about the use

00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:53.896
of the street by various heavy vehicles,

00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.216
including construction vehicles, buses,

00:45:56.240 --> 00:45:58.616
and heavy transport trucks. The main

00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:00.536
reason for this appears to be because of

00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:01.976
the intersection at South Road and the

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.656
break in the traffic island just there

00:46:03.680 --> 00:46:05.496
which allows vehicles to turn onto South

00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:07.736
Road and off South Road in both

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.736
directions.  this street is

00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.815
particularly narrow and with cars parked

00:46:11.839 --> 00:46:13.256
on both sides of the street, it is

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effectively reduced to one lane. In

00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.095
addition, there is located on this

00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:18.856
street a kindergarten, a playground and

00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.776
adjacent oval as well as many young

00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.095
families and a medical center. In other

00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:24.936
words, not only is this a very small

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.815
local street um that is very narrow, but

00:46:27.839 --> 00:46:29.256
there are higher than normal numbers of

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.856
children crossing the road and accessing

00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:32.936
parked vehicles etc. both on weekdays

00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.095
and weekends. The danger to life and

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.575
property is obvious. Um this small local

00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.095
street should absolutely be protected

00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.016
from unnecessary through traffic in

00:46:41.040 --> 00:46:43.256
particular heavy vehicles. A simple and

00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.656
lowcost solution um one solution and

00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:47.656
then there are a number being pursued by

00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:50.616
council um officers at the moment. Um it

00:46:50.640 --> 00:46:52.776
is is proposed to discourage unnecessary

00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.335
traffic being a no trucks sign to be

00:46:55.359 --> 00:46:56.936
erected at the entrance to Kingston

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Street. This falls within the

00:46:58.560 --> 00:47:01.416
jurisdiction of the DTP not council and

00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.440
hence um this notice of motion. I seek

00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.055
the support of my fellow councilors on

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this issue. Thank you.

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Thank you councelor Murray. Councelor

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.480
Mintosh.

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This is kind of good because it gives us

00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:21.976
an opportunity to walk around and be a

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bit more active.

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Okay.

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More exercise.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you to councelor Murray for

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raising this motion. Um there are

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:33.176
certainly significant construction works

00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:35.095
happening in our municipality um

00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.696
particularly through Hampton Hampton

00:47:36.720 --> 00:47:38.936
East and Highett and we absolutely need to

00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.256
be mindful of community safety risks and

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.055
residents concerns around construction

00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.776
sites um impacts of traffic and to this

00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.616
end I'm also supportive of seeking

00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:49.815
approval from the department of

00:47:49.839 --> 00:47:52.376
transport and planning to implement a no

00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.400
trucks restriction on Kingston Street.

00:47:58.240 --> 00:48:00.216
Thank you councelor McIntosh. Do we have

00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:03.240
any further speakers?

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Councelor Murray, would you like to say

00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:08.520
a few words? No. Okay. So, I'll put the

00:48:08.640 --> 00:48:10.856
the notice of motion to the vote. All

00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.736
those in favor? Councelor Hockley,

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.656
Councelor Erlict, Councelor Macintosh,

00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:17.416
Councelor Leigh, Councelor Murray, and

00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.256
Councelor Taylor Haynes. And so, it is

00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.280
carried. Thank you.

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So item 11.3 notice of motion removal of

00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.815
an iron bark tree and Charles Street

00:48:31.839 --> 00:48:34.776
Brighton East. Councelor Erlic, do you

00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.656
wish to move your notice of motion? Can

00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:40.680
you please read the motion out?

00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:44.456
Read the motion first.

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.936
Oh, thank you. Thank you. that council

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:48.856
supports the immediate removal of an

00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.496
iron bark tree located on a nature strip

00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:53.256
outside a property in Charles Street,

00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.416
Brighton East and for this to be

00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.575
replaced with an appropriate tree

00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.656
species.

00:48:59.680 --> 00:49:02.680
Do I have a seconder?

00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:09.240
Councelor Leigh. Thank you.

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.456
Thank you, Councelor Leigh.

00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.376
Um,

00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.400
councelor Erlic, you may debate.

00:49:17.520 --> 00:49:20.295
Fellow councilors,

00:49:20.319 --> 00:49:23.095
I rise to move this motion that council

00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.936
direct the immediate removal of the iron

00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.176
bark tree on the nature strip at 43

00:49:27.200 --> 00:49:29.496
Charles Street, Brighton East, and

00:49:29.520 --> 00:49:31.896
replace it with two more two more

00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.896
suitable species that deliver

00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.656
environmental benefits without

00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:38.216
endangering residents.

00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:41.240
For nearly 40 years, Vivian and George,

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.656
residents in our Blesby ward, have ends

00:49:43.680 --> 00:49:45.176
in endsured the impacts of this

00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:47.896
overgrown tree. Its roots roots have

00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.295
damaged pipes and paths while debris,

00:49:50.319 --> 00:49:51.976
gum nuts, and branches have bombarded

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.136
their home and vehicles, including

00:49:54.160 --> 00:49:56.136
including a shattered corolla windshield

00:49:56.160 --> 00:49:59.160
that cost hundreds in repairs. Now, a

00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.176
fruitback colony has turned their

00:50:01.200 --> 00:50:03.335
driveway into a hazardous zone with

00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:06.136
excrement coat coating the ground, bins,

00:50:06.160 --> 00:50:08.295
vehicles, and house.

00:50:08.319 --> 00:50:11.095
This is not a mere inconvenience, Madame

00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.815
um Deputy Mayor. It's a significant

00:50:13.839 --> 00:50:16.839
financial strain. Vivian and George

00:50:17.040 --> 00:50:19.976
spend over $2,000 annually in car washes

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.535
alone, plus another $1,500 for paint

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.256
repairs as bat feces corrods vehicle

00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.216
services. Thousands more have gone into

00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:31.240
ongoing fixes. These are real burdens on

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:33.896
pensioners who have pleaded for relief

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.920
only to be met with weeks of silence.

00:50:38.160 --> 00:50:41.160
Yet consider this inconsistency.

00:50:42.319 --> 00:50:44.216
Our council has no qualms about

00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:47.240
recommending the removal of 170 healthy

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.055
mature trees at Elsenick Park to advance

00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.295
council's agenda. But when it comes to

00:50:52.319 --> 00:50:54.216
this solitary tree, where the physical

00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:55.896
and mental well-being of residents is

00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.376
clearly at risk, council recommends

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.936
against action. How do we reconcile

00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.496
against such a double standard?

00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:05.815
Is this a case of the tail wagging the

00:51:05.839 --> 00:51:07.976
dog where bureaucratic preferences

00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.696
override community needs?

00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:12.936
The health risks from these bats demand

00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.960
our urgent attention. Fruit bats carry

00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.936
Australian batissa virus, a rabiesike

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.696
virus that can cause paralysis and

00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:21.976
death.

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.055
While transmission typically occurs via

00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.936
bites or scratches, daily exposure to

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.416
contaminated surfaces increases the odds

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.656
of accidental infection, especially for

00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:34.680
elder residents.

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.936
Hendra virus is another threat. Bats

00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.776
excrete it through urine and droppings,

00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.535
potentially infecting horses and then

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.559
humans with fatal outcomes.

00:51:44.720 --> 00:51:46.456
Though no direct back to human cases

00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.776
have been recorded yet, urban roosters

00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.095
like this elevate spillover risks amid

00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.256
habitat loss.

00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.136
Add to this hystoplasmosis, a fungal

00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:58.055
lung infection from inhaling spores in

00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.776
bat guano and gastrointestinal illness

00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.335
causing nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

00:52:03.359 --> 00:52:05.736
Vulnerable populations, the elderly and

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.376
imunompromised are hit hardest as

00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.055
documented by authorities like

00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.736
Queensland Health and Wildlife Health

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.216
Australia. These are not abstract

00:52:14.240 --> 00:52:16.376
threats. They are escalating dangers in

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.936
our backyards

00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.176
on liability. We cannot turn it. We

00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:23.976
cannot turn a blind eye. Precedent is

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.216
clear. In Tims and Shaw Haven City

00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:29.240
Council 2004, a council was held

00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.095
negligent when a poorly inspected tree

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.055
fell resulting in a fatality. We've been

00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.616
on notice since August with the issue

00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:39.640
escalated yet no action. I've requested

00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.896
independent legal advice from our CEO,

00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.216
which has been received  very late

00:52:44.240 --> 00:52:46.055
this afternoon.

00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.776
If we ignore this and harm occurs,

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:50.696
Bayside could potentially face

00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:52.616
substantial claims under common law and

00:52:52.640 --> 00:52:55.335
the local government act. It's my view

00:52:55.359 --> 00:52:58.359
that we own the tree, we own the risk.

00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.136
Our health and well-being plan commits

00:53:00.160 --> 00:53:02.216
us to prioritizing residents safety and

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:05.095
quality of life. If we

00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:06.936
 move for a another minute, please.

00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.016
Do I have a second? A mover, councelor

00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:11.896
Leigh, a seconder. All those in favor,

00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.656
raise your hands, please. Thank you.

00:53:13.680 --> 00:53:14.216
Some

00:53:14.240 --> 00:53:17.240
have to talk. Yeah.

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.095
If we are truly serious about that

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.496
commitment, we must place people above

00:53:21.520 --> 00:53:24.520
trees. Trees enhance our community, but

00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.800
not at the expense of health, homes, or

00:53:28.240 --> 00:53:31.240
lives. The solution is straightforward.

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.776
Remove the tree immediately and plant

00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:34.776
two appropriate low-risk species,

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.616
preserving greenery while minimizing

00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:39.496
threats. This is a balanced, practical,

00:53:39.520 --> 00:53:42.456
and resident focused approach to today's

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.016
to those who may oppose. Would you

00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:46.616
accept this batinfested tree

00:53:46.640 --> 00:53:49.575
transplanted to your own nature strip?

00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:51.176
Would you live with the droppings, the

00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:54.055
damage, the daily dread? If not, vote

00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.079
yes. Protect our people. Act now before

00:53:57.200 --> 00:53:59.575
it's too late. I so move.

00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.575
Thank you, councelor Erilet. Councelor

00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.656
Leigh, would you like to say a few words?

00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.055
No. Do we have any other speakers to the

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.079
motion? Councelor Mintosh.

00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:17.256
Thank you. Um, councelor Erlict and

00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.856
thank you for coming this evening to the

00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.216
residence and I'm sorry to hear that

00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:21.976
you've incurred significant costs

00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.936
associated  with the the presence of

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.815
the tree. Um, your question councelor

00:54:27.839 --> 00:54:29.815
that would you want the tree? I would

00:54:29.839 --> 00:54:31.976
actually say yes. And my partner would

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:33.335
say yes because we've got a really

00:54:33.359 --> 00:54:35.176
scruffy looking street tree that my

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:36.856
partner's always complaining about. So,

00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.696
he'd rather have a large mature one.

00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:41.720
Thank you. Um, look, the Iron Back Tree,

00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.815
sorry, on a more serious note, the

00:54:43.839 --> 00:54:45.736
Ironbach tree referenced in this notice

00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.055
of motion is a mature street tree,

00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.295
obviously, and no, it's not on private

00:54:50.319 --> 00:54:52.535
land and noting that street trees are

00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.016
managed by council. That to our

00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:56.936
understanding, the tree is visited by

00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:59.335
protected gay-headed flying foxes at

00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:01.176
times, particularly when the tree, this

00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:03.656
particular tree species, is in blossom.

00:55:03.680 --> 00:55:06.456
the disease risk referred to is really

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.936
very very small in terms of the

00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.256
Australian batissa virus. So in

00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.936
referencing publicly available health

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.176
and surveillance information and data I

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:17.896
I do note the following that ABLV was

00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.920
first identified in 1996. It is

00:55:21.040 --> 00:55:22.936
absolutely serious and indeed a

00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.416
nationally notifiable infectious disease

00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.295
but extremely rare. It may be contracted

00:55:28.319 --> 00:55:30.376
as councelor Erlic noted from a bite

00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.856
from an infected bat or flying fox. And

00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:34.456
so it's not just from the presence of

00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:36.696
the animals or not from the feces of

00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:39.416
infected animals. Surveillance data from

00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.335
the last almost 30 years demonstrate

00:55:41.359 --> 00:55:44.359
that there have been zero cases of ABLV

00:55:44.640 --> 00:55:47.640
in Victoria. Zero. And we also know that

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.760
ABLV is carried by less than 1% of wild

00:55:51.520 --> 00:55:54.136
bats. I would be rather concerned if

00:55:54.160 --> 00:55:55.736
council were to set a precedent in

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.896
chopping down mature street trees based

00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.976
on this assertion. How would we then go

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.136
about managing our other iron bark trees

00:56:02.160 --> 00:56:04.216
or indeed any other trees that might

00:56:04.240 --> 00:56:07.095
offer a food source for our local fauna?

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:08.936
This is not consistent with our

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:10.696
commitment to the community on greening

00:56:10.720 --> 00:56:13.095
bayside via the urban forest strategy or

00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.335
with our commitment to protect our local

00:56:15.359 --> 00:56:17.256
flora and fauna. They're just going to

00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.280
go into someone else's tree as well.

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.136
any concerns that may arise around

00:56:22.160 --> 00:56:24.136
damage to council infrastructure such as

00:56:24.160 --> 00:56:26.055
drainage should be and are managed by

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.535
council as council does for it's around

00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.856
about 70,000 straight trees that we

00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.575
manage as such I I don't support this

00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.295
motion thank you

00:56:36.319 --> 00:56:38.055
thank you councelor Macintosh councelor

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:41.079
Hockley

00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:47.815
we should just get a bunch of roving

00:56:47.839 --> 00:56:50.696
microphones shouldn't we really I

00:56:50.720 --> 00:56:53.095
 I I don't support the motion either.

00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:56.055
Council elect. Um on the one hand I

00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.079
think that um the  the claim of  of

00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.095
this being a disease vector for Lissa

00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.775
virus or Hendravirus is a bit of an

00:57:04.799 --> 00:57:06.936
overreach. As as council Macintosh has

00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.335
said there hasn't been a case of lysirus

00:57:09.359 --> 00:57:12.295
 a recorded case in 30 40 years. And

00:57:12.319 --> 00:57:14.216
hendravirus I'm not aware how many

00:57:14.240 --> 00:57:16.616
horses there are in in East Brighton.

00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:18.216
, and as for the mess on the car,

00:57:18.240 --> 00:57:21.240
look, um, if every Bayside resident came

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.016
to us wanting to chop down a tree that

00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:27.896
soiled their car from birds or bats or

00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.136
psums, we'd be chopping down every

00:57:30.160 --> 00:57:32.136
second tree in Bayside. So, I I fear

00:57:32.160 --> 00:57:34.376
that this sets a really unfortunate

00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.176
precedent, and I understand  only too

00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:39.176
well. I've inspected the tree myself,

00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:41.656
driven past it. Iron barks are a very

00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:43.575
special tree in many ways. They're slow

00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.599
growing. , and one of the fun facts

00:57:47.200 --> 00:57:50.200
about them is that they depend on flying

00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.416
foxes on the greyheaded bats or whatever

00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:54.936
the correct name is. They depend on

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.016
these bats for pollination. So,

00:57:57.040 --> 00:57:59.016
basically the you take one iron bark out

00:57:59.040 --> 00:58:00.856
of the out of the ecosystem and it's

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.535
that much harder for iron barks to

00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.856
reproduce in our suburb. And if there is

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.616
one thing about the city of Bayside that

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:08.696
I love, even though Highett doesn't

00:58:08.720 --> 00:58:11.720
necessarily enjoy this bonus, it is the

00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.535
fact that we are a very leafy, green,

00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.559
well-treated um  set of suburbs. And I

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.696
for one don't support taking out a tree

00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:22.616
because it makes our life a little bit

00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:24.295
harder because in so many other ways

00:58:24.319 --> 00:58:27.319
trees make our lives so much better.

00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.176
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Councelor

00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:34.200
Mari.

00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:48.520
Thank you. Um just before I I um comment

00:58:48.799 --> 00:58:50.456
on the motion my question to the

00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.016
officers would be um just confirming how

00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:55.976
many trees are being removed from Yakut

00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.216
will reserve and do you need a

00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:00.055
microphone to answer that or you can

00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.416
mouth it to me and I can

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.216
 through you chair it is around 170

00:59:04.240 --> 00:59:07.016
we've retained

00:59:07.040 --> 00:59:10.040
my head about

00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.616
2 to 3,000 more

00:59:12.640 --> 00:59:15.095
right so we've removed about 170 but we

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.016
are replanting planting sort of what 10

00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:20.040
times 20 times.

00:59:20.160 --> 00:59:22.376
Yeah. So we're planting replanting 10 or

00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.696
20 times um what we are removing from

00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:27.416
yell. So if we're to follow this logic

00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.416
um we would have to be replanting more

00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.216
than just two.

00:59:32.240 --> 00:59:34.216
Tonight I just want to say with we have

00:59:34.240 --> 00:59:36.136
three separate but related motions that

00:59:36.160 --> 00:59:37.896
require us to vote on the removal of one

00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:39.416
or more trees. This one and council

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.335
property otherwise on common property or

00:59:41.359 --> 00:59:43.896
private. All three motions contain

00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.815
officer recommendations that these trees

00:59:45.839 --> 00:59:47.176
be retained with the support of

00:59:47.200 --> 00:59:49.256
independent and in-house arborists. And

00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:50.376
I just like to make some general

00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:51.896
comments relevant to all three with

00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.656
respect to the principles of integrity,

00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:55.976
transparency, and due process. The

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.136
regulations and by bylaws that regulate

00:59:58.160 --> 01:00:00.216
our municipality apply equally to us

01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:02.136
all. This is part of our democracy and

01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:04.055
underpins the rule of law. The

01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.896
principles of fairness and transparency,

01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.976
due process, integrity and consistency

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.376
are equally interrelated. Our council

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.775
officers should and do apply our bylaws

01:00:12.799 --> 01:00:15.176
in this spirit without fear or favor or

01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:17.176
political interference. And there is no

01:00:17.200 --> 01:00:18.616
suggestion that they have done anything

01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:19.976
differently in these three matters

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.535
before us tonight. And this process

01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.095
ensures that our constituents

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.656
um so just maintain trust in and respect

01:00:27.680 --> 01:00:30.216
for our planning laws. Yes, it's the

01:00:30.240 --> 01:00:31.896
case that matters such as these can be

01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:33.335
referred to us as the ultimate

01:00:33.359 --> 01:00:35.736
accountable elected officials, but that

01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.896
comes with great responsibility. We

01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.656
counselors should only make exceptions

01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:41.416
to the rules when it is blatantly

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.976
obvious, objectively justifiable and

01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:45.976
proper in all the circumstances to do

01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.376
so. Otherwise, in my view, we bring the

01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.535
entire rules-based system into disrepute

01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.416
as well as the council group itself.

01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.335
Trees, they're not rectangular. They

01:00:55.359 --> 01:00:56.856
don't respect property boundaries. Their

01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.696
roots follow water sources. They drop

01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:01.335
stuff. But they're also critical for

01:01:01.359 --> 01:01:03.256
temper temperature regulation of our

01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.496
municipality, air quality, storm water

01:01:05.520 --> 01:01:07.095
management, community aesthetics, and

01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.416
yes, promoting biodiversity.

01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.256
As development continues the pace,

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.256
council land and council trees in

01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.656
particular is key to maintaining our

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:17.736
urban forest. Simply asserting that

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.760
replacement trees will be replanted

01:01:21.680 --> 01:01:23.896
fails to appreciate the decades it takes

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.616
to replace what now exists. Turning to

01:01:26.640 --> 01:01:28.055
the matter at hand, I have of course

01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.216
visited Charles Street and looked at the

01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:31.736
tree in question as well as all the

01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:34.055
surrounding street trees. It is a

01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.815
magnificent specimen. I believe it is

01:01:35.839 --> 01:01:38.535
over 70 years old in rude good health.

01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:40.376
Currently in flower with many native

01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.376
birds feeding on its blossom and even I

01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.856
observed one or two birds nests unless

01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.095
my eyes are going. This tree is one of a

01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.016
number of ironbark trees um on the

01:01:49.040 --> 01:01:50.696
street and presents no differently in my

01:01:50.720 --> 01:01:52.696
view from any of the other trees both as

01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:55.095
to its size, its effect on the adjacent

01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.119
pavement and its blossom cover. Surely

01:01:58.240 --> 01:01:59.815
we can't be advocating that all these

01:01:59.839 --> 01:02:01.815
trees be removed. This would be the only

01:02:01.839 --> 01:02:04.055
logical conclusion if we are to approve

01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.216
this motion. I note that there have been

01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:08.055
no other complaints from local residents

01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:09.736
as to the presence of these trees. And

01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.496
indeed, we have received an email from

01:02:11.520 --> 01:02:12.856
another resident supporting the

01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.095
retention of this tree, including his

01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:16.856
observations that these trees provide

01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.535
for fauna habitat to a number of Tory

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.559
frog mouths and other native bird life.

01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.416
The presence of fruit bats is seasonal,

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.016
not permanent, and there is no threat to

01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:26.775
public safety from the presence of these

01:02:26.799 --> 01:02:29.416
animals. Agriculture Victoria states

01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.256
that contact with bat feces, urine, or

01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.016
blood does not pose a risk of exposure

01:02:33.040 --> 01:02:35.256
to the Lissa virus, nor does living,

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.335
playing, or walking near bat roosting

01:02:37.359 --> 01:02:39.896
areas. Indeed, I understand that the

01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:41.736
greyheaded flying fox is a threatened

01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.496
species, which would actually support

01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:45.416
the retention of this and surrounding

01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.440
ironbark. I also note this tree poses no

01:02:48.640 --> 01:02:50.616
risk to personal or physical property in

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:53.176
terms of falling limbs. To the extent

01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:54.696
that the tree roots interfere with

01:02:54.720 --> 01:02:56.535
essential services such as pipes and the

01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.376
like, council should absolutely make

01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.696
best efforts to ensure that the impacted

01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:02.616
residents um are assisted and ensure

01:03:02.640 --> 01:03:03.896
that they are not out of pocket for

01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.575
expenses incurred. And I acknowledge

01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:07.736
that. Finally, I think there is that

01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.815
important distinction to note between

01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:12.136
this matter which relates to a council

01:03:12.160 --> 01:03:14.775
tree on public property as opposed to a

01:03:14.799 --> 01:03:16.856
tree on private property. This tree

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.335
belongs to the street, the community. It

01:03:19.359 --> 01:03:21.256
benefits more than one household. It

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.015
impacts positively on more than one

01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.176
household and I believe this elevates

01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:27.256
the importance of this matter and the

01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.280
significance of this tree.

01:03:30.799 --> 01:03:33.799
Thank you.

01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.880
Okay.  thank you councelor Murray. 

01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:40.535
if there's no more speakers I'll just if

01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:42.216
you can pass the microphone to Miss

01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:44.136
Coulson please. I've just got a a couple

01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:46.696
of questions. It's um the first time

01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:48.696
I've done a bit of research on bats

01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:51.720
today. Um there there is I've driven up

01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:53.896
and down the street a few times and

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.856
there's not one but I believe three iron

01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.880
barks in the street. My understanding is

01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.335
from my limited um reading up on bats is

01:04:03.359 --> 01:04:05.976
that once they feast on one tree if that

01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.055
tree was removed they would just move to

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.079
the other two trees. So so basically

01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.376
really we're passing the problem on down

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.176
the line to the other neighbors. Um,

01:04:17.200 --> 01:04:19.656
Miss Carlson, is there currently issues

01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:22.376
with the infrastructure damaging the

01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.335
pipes there? Have we got a an

01:04:25.359 --> 01:04:27.656
outstanding issue there with  through

01:04:27.680 --> 01:04:29.176
you, chair? Not according to our

01:04:29.200 --> 01:04:31.416
records. There's no  issue relating to

01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:34.055
pipes. Um there was an issue back in

01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.079
2014  relating to a southeast water

01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.335
pipe. Um but not aware of any current

01:04:39.359 --> 01:04:40.936
issues relating to pipes and we will

01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.575
continue as we always do to monitor tree

01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:45.335
roots and footpaths in the area.

01:04:45.359 --> 01:04:47.176
Okay. And and Miss Carlson, last

01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:49.416
question going back to the bats. Is is

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.575
it the case that they just feast for a

01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:53.416
period a short period of time and then

01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:54.535
they move on?

01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:56.775
 yes, as mentioned  earlier, the

01:04:56.799 --> 01:04:59.799
citroen or iron bark um is flowering. Um

01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:03.720
the greyhead flying fox or the bats are

01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.815
transient species. They will feed on the

01:05:05.839 --> 01:05:07.575
nectar and then move on.

01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.599
Okay. Thank you. Um councelor,

01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:14.280
you have a right of reply.

01:05:18.180 --> 01:05:21.180
[Music]

01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.039
, thank you very much, um, Madame

01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.295
Deputy Mayor. , look, I think I've

01:05:28.319 --> 01:05:31.319
said what I need to say. Um, I do feel

01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:35.095
sorry for George and Vivian, um, of what

01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:38.119
they've had to endure. Um, and the cars

01:05:38.640 --> 01:05:41.640
will lie where they do. Thank you.

01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:45.095
I'll now put the the motion to the vote.

01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.335
All those in favor,

01:05:47.359 --> 01:05:50.359
Councelor Erlict.

01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.256
All those against, Councelor Hockley,

01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.256
Councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh,

01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.176
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

01:05:57.200 --> 01:06:00.200
Haynes. The motion is lost.

01:06:04.319 --> 01:06:06.216
So, just

01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:09.240
to um just before we continue on  Oh,

01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.535
no. We got one more notice of motion. I

01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:14.376
might just say this anyway. So before we

01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.936
continue, I'd like to  note that the

01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.416
Mayor has since contacted the governance

01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:21.976
officers to advise he will be unable to

01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.736
attend the remainder of the meeting.

01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.055
Could I ask for a mover and a seconder

01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.456
to note the apology of the Mayor?

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.480
Councelor Hockley moved. So moved and

01:06:31.520 --> 01:06:34.376
councelor Mintosh so seconded. All those

01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.400
in favor, councelor Hockley, Councelor

01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.736
Mintosh, Councelor Leigh, Councelor

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.896
Murray, and Councelor Ta Taylor Haynes.

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.775
And so it is carried. Thank you.

01:06:44.799 --> 01:06:47.799
So, moving on to notice of motion 11.4.

01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.256
Compliance officers. Councelor Leigh, do

01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:53.815
you wish to move your notice of motion?

01:06:53.839 --> 01:06:54.936
Yes, I do.

01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.496
Councelor Leigh, can you please read the

01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:58.535
motion out?

01:06:58.559 --> 01:06:59.575
Yes, I will.

01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.599
Thank you.

01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:04.136
Can you hear me?

01:07:04.160 --> 01:07:04.616
Yes.

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:06.216
Right.

01:07:06.240 --> 01:07:09.240
 one one that council officers conduct

01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:10.856
a review of the number of existing

01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.416
compliance officers at Bayside Council

01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.815
employed by council and whether the

01:07:15.839 --> 01:07:17.896
current workforce is sufficient to

01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.055
uphold the city's laws and regulations.

01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:22.535
Two note the review should take no

01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.136
longer than two months and a report

01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:26.856
provided to council at December 25

01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.880
council meeting. The review should in a

01:07:30.240 --> 01:07:32.055
include No, they're going to I got to go

01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:33.656
up.

01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:35.976
Thank you. Um include the number of

01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.376
offices required to ensure that council

01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.295
has reasonable that council can

01:07:40.319 --> 01:07:42.775
reasonably ensure that council laws are

01:07:42.799 --> 01:07:45.095
complied with. B list the cost and

01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:47.256
revenue collected for parking and any

01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.335
other infringements for the financial

01:07:49.359 --> 01:07:52.359
years 2023 24

01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.960
204 to 25. C include the number of

01:07:56.720 --> 01:07:58.775
officers employed for the council listed

01:07:58.799 --> 01:08:01.799
in 2023 24 and 202425

01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:05.496
and D examine whether there are

01:08:05.520 --> 01:08:08.520
opportunities to sub supplent

01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:11.176
the existing workforce with the private

01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:13.496
operators to enable coverage for peak

01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:15.976
periods.

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.896
You councelor Leigh. Do I have a seconder?

01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.135
Thank you councelor Hockley. Councelor

01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:21.655
Leigh you may now debate.

01:08:21.679 --> 01:08:24.616
Thank you. Please be assured, I'm not a

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.616
an agent of the parking officers who

01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.936
want to book more people that the

01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.735
reverse is true. But what I have seen in

01:08:31.759 --> 01:08:34.056
a number of instances around our city,

01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:36.936
good examples of when I believe we are

01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.175
not doing that the right things are not

01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.255
being done. And I'll give you four

01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.255
examples to start with. Greenpoint car

01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:46.056
park regular regularly the car caravans

01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:48.936
on site.  they know at weekends and

01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.175
before between 8 and 5 is when the

01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.135
officers work. So they're there before

01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.159
and after and the locals don't like it.

01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:59.735
So that's the end of South Road. Net the

01:08:59.759 --> 01:09:01.416
net ball courts at Holloway Road

01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:04.215
Sandringham. It's games on Saturdays. 

01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:07.239
mass mass mass numbers of people doing

01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:10.295
it breaking the laws. higher multi-story

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:12.456
developments underway with large trucks

01:09:12.480 --> 01:09:14.775
trucks left overnight in narrow streets

01:09:14.799 --> 01:09:17.255
so they can pick up their vehicles in

01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.279
the morning.  the last one is local

01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.215
shopping centers cars remaining longer

01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:24.695
than 2 hours because it's unlikely the

01:09:24.719 --> 01:09:26.616
number number of parking officers will

01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:29.175
be available to do anything. And if you

01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.735
think it's not a serious issue, it is

01:09:31.759 --> 01:09:34.295
and I've certainly observed it. If you

01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:37.319
take the example last year for example

01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.600
um or this last year there was  50,075

01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.496
park  parking infringements. This year

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.520
there's 47,479.

01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.175
The interesting thing is last year that

01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:54.199
means meant the city collected just over

01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.936
6 million just over $6 million in

01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.960
parking fines. This year we've collected

01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.239
 almost five 5,900

01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.536
almost five 5,900.

01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.336
That works out roughly to per person

01:10:09.360 --> 01:10:11.416
each parking officer because last year

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:14.440
we had we had  10. This year we have

01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.199
12. So last year the cost that well

01:10:19.280 --> 01:10:21.175
let's say the profit if you want to use

01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:24.135
that's a bad word but each path parking

01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.159
officer collected for the year just over

01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.600
$600,000 in in um six $6.5 a million in

01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:36.280
um in fees this year each parking

01:10:36.719 --> 01:10:39.719
officer it's almost $490,000.

01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:42.936
So each parking officer. So, do we have

01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.960
the the ability to have more parking

01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.239
officers to police the police 36 squares

01:10:50.080 --> 01:10:53.080
36 square kilometers of what Bayside is.

01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:55.736
I don't believe we have enough. I've

01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.896
seen it across the city too often. As I

01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.215
said, I'm not in favor of people being

01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.135
booked. I don't like being booked, but

01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:03.896
if you park in the wrong spot and

01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:05.816
disrupt somebody else's life, there's a

01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:07.496
consequence for it. And it should it

01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.056
should be that that is that the council

01:11:10.080 --> 01:11:12.456
can take action against you. So what I'm

01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:15.416
seeking to do is to ensure that this has

01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:18.440
a review that what we do is we seriously

01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:20.296
look at employing some more parking

01:11:20.320 --> 01:11:22.376
officers. I think the figures that the

01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:24.856
officers have given me have demonstrated

01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.096
that the the officers aren't going to

01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:29.816
cost us money. The reverse is true. And

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.215
hopefully, and I know around the net

01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.376
facility particularly, it has been

01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:36.456
horrendous for many of the locals who

01:11:36.480 --> 01:11:39.336
live there that on a weekend when the

01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:42.135
games are on, they're just there in

01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:43.736
their masses. They don't care where they

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.896
park, some of them. The behavior of some

01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.816
people on both sides, I must say, is not

01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.536
very good. My point in all of this is

01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:52.456
that I think it's time we take some

01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:55.256
action. Now, even

01:11:55.280 --> 01:11:57.576
have just another moment.

01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.976
You still got 30 seconds. Councelor Leigh.

01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.776
Um the fact is what people don't know as

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.856
well. I I'm actually including in that

01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:06.695
some money that we collect. There are

01:12:06.719 --> 01:12:09.256
officially there are there are um in

01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:11.175
Church Street there are there are

01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.576
devices in the road that collect well in

01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:15.655
excess of half a million dollars if you

01:12:15.679 --> 01:12:18.679
park over time there. So u my suggestion

01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:20.776
if you're going to go to Church Street

01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:22.695
Brighton, don't park longer than the

01:12:22.719 --> 01:12:24.296
time because it's it's an automatic

01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:26.936
system. My point is it's time we took

01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:28.536
some action to actually get enough

01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.215
parking officers to police the city

01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:30.856
properly.

01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:32.536
Thank you, Councelor Leigh. Councelor

01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:33.816
Hockley, would you like to say some

01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:34.376
words? Um,

01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:36.376
before I um open my remarks, I just have

01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:38.456
a question for I think either Miss

01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:40.936
Goulson or the CEO and that is that if

01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.336
this motion is carried

01:12:43.360 --> 01:12:45.736
um would you regard this as applying to

01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.655
other compliance offices or just

01:12:47.679 --> 01:12:50.215
parking? because if so,

01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.456
 I potentially would like to suggest

01:12:52.480 --> 01:12:55.480
to councelor Leigh that we broaden the

01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.760
scope or the definition of compliance

01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.880
offices to cover um compliance with um

01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:05.496
construction management plans and other

01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:08.520
things if that's acceptable.

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:09.016
Fine

01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:09.576
with me.

01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.256
Yeah.

01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:14.280
So just on your advice, Mr. C. Yeah.

01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.976
screen.

01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.456
Thank you. , councelor Leigh has

01:13:20.480 --> 01:13:22.776
indicated in his not notice of motion um

01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.456
compliance officers. This can include

01:13:24.480 --> 01:13:26.215
local laws officers as well as parking

01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.616
officers. , local laws officers are

01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:30.616
included in the um construction

01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:32.936
management. Um, and we can also if the

01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.175
councelor um wishes to we can include

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:36.856
that in terms of planning compliance

01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:37.896
offices as well.

01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.920
Absolutely.

01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:44.135
You want my mic?

01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.159
Okay. I'll sell it to you.

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.600
Um so I will just add briefly to um to

01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.256
council these remarks. , I think first

01:13:55.280 --> 01:13:56.856
of all it has to be noted that when you

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.880
add um when you add two parking officers

01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:03.416
or or compliance officers to the staff,

01:14:03.440 --> 01:14:05.096
you really only add one

01:14:05.120 --> 01:14:07.816
because  for all for very good reasons

01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:10.840
 our staff  go out on the streets 

01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.936
in pairs for their own safety and and

01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.456
also to make sure that they do the best

01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:17.480
job of um  of safeguarding our streets

01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:19.736
of keeping them clear and and keeping

01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.760
them safe. The reason I added um or

01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.016
sought clarification on the on the

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:26.616
definition of a compliance officer here

01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.096
is because of the specific example that

01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:31.655
council Leigh mentioned which I do want to

01:14:31.679 --> 01:14:33.976
mention tonight as part of my remarks.

01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.215
 the suburb of Hampton East used to be

01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:39.239
Maraban West.  there are currently I

01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:42.280
think over 400 dwellings current under

01:14:42.719 --> 01:14:45.096
construction and as a consequence of

01:14:45.120 --> 01:14:48.120
that there are trucks and tradies  and

01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.536
their vehicles and their building

01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.256
materials  right throughout the

01:14:53.280 --> 01:14:56.280
streets causing utter utter chaos  and

01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.456
catastrophic misery for um a a large

01:15:00.480 --> 01:15:02.936
number of people in Hibbury Avenue, in

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:05.655
King Street, even in South Road  and

01:15:05.679 --> 01:15:06.856
some of those others. So, if they're

01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.416
listening tonight, , hi Rashan, hi

01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:12.440
Phil, , hi Janine. Um, we are, we hear

01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.800
you. , and we do want to make sure

01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.135
that we have sufficient resources. And

01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.215
this re this motion is about making sure

01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:22.776
that there are sufficient resources to

01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:25.496
address the fact that um, building

01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.496
contractors and the large amount of

01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:29.016
building that is now taking place in

01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:32.040
suburbs like Hampton East are a bit of a

01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:34.776
wild west at the moment. There is there

01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.536
is parking on nature strips. There's

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.215
parking across driveways. There are

01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.936
lines and lines of concrete trucks and

01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.776
the little white vans that  that

01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.175
infest the suburbs when fit out starts

01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.655
to happen in these buildings.  and

01:15:47.679 --> 01:15:50.376
it's simply not appropriate. It's not

01:15:50.400 --> 01:15:52.616
good enough.  and we need to make sure

01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.456
that we have appropriate resources to

01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:55.976
deal with it. And I know the officers

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.000
are completely um across this issue and

01:15:59.440 --> 01:16:02.440
simply need the resources um to and and

01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.856
the prioritization to do so. And

01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.496
hopefully this motion does that.

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.816
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Are there

01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.736
other speakers to the motion? Councelor

01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:14.760
Murray.

01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.256
Um thank you. I don't want to add to the

01:16:21.280 --> 01:16:23.576
pylon in terms of what we're covering

01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:26.600
here, but um I note that with our recent

01:16:27.679 --> 01:16:29.655
discussions on damp and dog restrictions

01:16:29.679 --> 01:16:32.456
at the beach, there was um a huge amount

01:16:32.480 --> 01:16:35.480
of support for um greater enforcement of

01:16:35.679 --> 01:16:38.215
those restrictions. Of course, I note

01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:39.416
that, you know, those sorts of

01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:42.056
compliance officers probably don't um

01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:44.695
make back their salary in terms of the

01:16:44.719 --> 01:16:47.016
number of fines that they issue versus

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:49.096
parking enforcement officers. But that I

01:16:49.120 --> 01:16:52.120
assume if we can add those in noting and

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:54.936
I assume that will be part of the the

01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.736
report the expenses that would would

01:16:57.760 --> 01:16:59.416
come flow from that. So I don't know if

01:16:59.440 --> 01:17:00.776
they were intended to be a part of that

01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.056
but I would suggest it might be

01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:04.215
appropriate.

01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.536
Is that a question? Um c can we get an

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.296
answer please from the officers?

01:17:08.320 --> 01:17:09.896
Oops. I think that's a question to the

01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:11.736
officers. Thanks

01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.616
through the chair. we can include um we

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:15.896
can include that in the work that's done

01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.256
and brings is brought back to the

01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:19.336
December meeting if that's the council's

01:17:19.360 --> 01:17:21.416
wish.

01:17:21.440 --> 01:17:23.655
Thank you, Miss Archbold. Um councelor

01:17:23.679 --> 01:17:26.679
Mintosh,

01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:33.416
thank you. Look, just a couple of words

01:17:33.440 --> 01:17:35.336
to add there. I think since being

01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:37.336
elected, I think we've all received

01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:39.096
numerous complaints around parking

01:17:39.120 --> 01:17:41.256
behaviors and at times a perceived lack

01:17:41.280 --> 01:17:43.816
of enforcement by compliance officers,

01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.135
residents experiencing cars parked in a

01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:47.896
manner that either in part or on

01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.616
occasion fully blocking their driveways

01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:52.695
or parking in a way that impedes vision

01:17:52.719 --> 01:17:54.776
and increases safety risks in some of

01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.416
our more narrow  suburban streets. and

01:17:57.440 --> 01:17:59.416
as such I'm happy to support councelor

01:17:59.440 --> 01:18:01.416
Leigh's proposed works to explore

01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:03.175
workforce requirements and opportunities

01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.416
to enhance our response to parking

01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:07.416
issues across the municipality. Thank

01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:07.896
you.

01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.896
Thank you councelor Macintosh. Councelor

01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.920
Erlict, any words?

01:18:13.120 --> 01:18:16.120
Oh, thank you um madame deputy Mayor. I

01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:18.536
don't have a lot more to add other than

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:20.296
I think it's a terrific motion and I

01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:23.320
fully support  councelor Leigh.

01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.600
Thank you councelor Leigh. right of reply.

01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:31.239
Yeah, thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, I

01:18:31.679 --> 01:18:33.496
guess look, I'm glad everybody's going

01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.416
along with this because in my view, as I

01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:37.736
said, I'm not in favor of everybody

01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:39.655
being booked all the time. I just want

01:18:39.679 --> 01:18:42.296
people to comply. I've seen too many

01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:44.936
examples of where I think it's almost

01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.496
got to people having a fight over it

01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:49.816
when someone's I've seen it get quite

01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:52.215
aggressively. I think the only sad bit I

01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.135
I have out of all of this is we still

01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.215
have which is out of our control which

01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.096
is the the foreshore with the state

01:18:59.120 --> 01:19:01.096
government issue. So but that's that's

01:19:01.120 --> 01:19:03.336
out of our control. But my point of view

01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:06.360
is I think  I I hope that our officers

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:08.376
can see that this is in the best

01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:10.456
interest of our city. We've got 36

01:19:10.480 --> 01:19:13.175
square kilometers to police and I don't

01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.496
want to see anybody down at Green Green

01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.456
Point um on a weekend having a lovely

01:19:18.480 --> 01:19:20.616
time in a caravan because there's no

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:23.640
officers around. So I I hope that um the

01:19:24.320 --> 01:19:25.736
officers actually can come back with

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:27.336
something that's constructive.

01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:29.016
Thank you, Councelor Leigh. I put the

01:19:29.040 --> 01:19:31.256
motion to the vote. All those in favor,

01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:32.936
councelor Hockley, Councelor Erlic to

01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:34.536
Councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh,

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:36.296
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:37.816
Haynes. The motion is carried. Thank

01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.376
you.

01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:43.400
Moving on to our final motion  in this

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.920
section. So  motion 11.5

01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:50.280
 3 53 Sandringan Historic Society.

01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:52.616
Councelor Macintosh, do you wish to move

01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:53.976
your motion?

01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:55.736
I do. Yes.

01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.695
 can you please read out the motion?

01:19:58.719 --> 01:20:01.336
I will.  that council officers prepare

01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:03.096
a report that investigates the

01:20:03.120 --> 01:20:04.456
opportunity of maintaining the

01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:06.456
Sandringham and District Historical

01:20:06.480 --> 01:20:09.016
Society at its current location at 15

01:20:09.040 --> 01:20:11.256
Melrose Street, Sandringham or an

01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:12.856
alternate location within the

01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:14.776
Sandringham Activity Center.

01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.416
Do we have a seconder?

01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:20.296
Councelor Hockley. Thank you, Councelor

01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:22.296
Mintosh. You can debate.

01:20:22.320 --> 01:20:24.456
Lovely. Thank you. Um firstly I would

01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:26.616
like to preface this by declaring that I

01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:28.376
am a member and have been for about five

01:20:28.400 --> 01:20:29.816
or six years now I think of the

01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:31.655
Sandringham and District Historical

01:20:31.679 --> 01:20:33.896
Society. Welcome alto also to the

01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:35.736
president of the society Kristen for

01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:37.736
coming along  to this evening's

01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:40.135
meeting. Um now as noted in the agenda

01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.296
papers the society has been around for

01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:45.016
almost 40 years and it has and continues

01:20:45.040 --> 01:20:47.576
to make an important and both a valued

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.896
and valuable contribution to the local

01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.376
Bayside community. Just a couple of

01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:54.296
examples of their work were touched on

01:20:54.320 --> 01:20:56.376
in the papers, including the society's

01:20:56.400 --> 01:20:58.056
president, Kristen, here with us this

01:20:58.080 --> 01:21:00.215
evening, researching and presenting on

01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:01.816
the history of Sandringham Primary

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.695
School at its recent 170th birthday

01:21:04.719 --> 01:21:06.936
celebrations, which the deputy Mayor and

01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:09.960
I attended. You may also be aware that

01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.736
there is a community petition that has

01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.896
been circulating about saving the

01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:16.056
society and advocating that council

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:18.296
acknowledge and support the society by

01:21:18.320 --> 01:21:20.135
leaving them in their current home in

01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.376
Melrose Street, Sandringham. That

01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:24.856
petition as of today has so far garnered

01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:27.880
432 signatures and counting. So I'm

01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.456
putting forward this motion to raise

01:21:30.480 --> 01:21:32.536
awareness of the current position of the

01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.936
society with my fellow counselors who I

01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:37.096
would like to understand if you are not

01:21:37.120 --> 01:21:39.896
already aware that council has albeit

01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:42.056
unintentionally caused this group of

01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:44.215
largely older and very hardworking

01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.135
volunteers some considerable

01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:49.159
inconvenience, anxiety and distress in

01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:51.175
moving them and their collection

01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:54.135
multiple times in recent years away from

01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.135
what was to be their forever home at

01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.135
Sandringham Library. library into

01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.695
multiple short-term locations, including

01:22:00.719 --> 01:22:02.615
during the pandemic when the society's

01:22:02.639 --> 01:22:04.936
collection was moved away for a time and

01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:06.936
housed in an inaccessible site in

01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:08.776
Lavton.

01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.376
While there are already works being

01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:12.456
undertaken by officers to follow up on

01:22:12.480 --> 01:22:14.456
this situation, I'm seeking support

01:22:14.480 --> 01:22:16.856
tonight to publicly call for a report

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:18.536
investigating the opportunity of

01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:20.695
maintaining the society at its current

01:22:20.719 --> 01:22:23.096
location or the alternate location

01:22:23.120 --> 01:22:25.655
within the Sandringham Activity Center.

01:22:25.679 --> 01:22:27.175
And just to add a little bit of a

01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:28.936
personal perspective, as someone with a

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:30.615
family history in the area that dates

01:22:30.639 --> 01:22:33.576
back to the 1940s and yes, as a member,

01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.456
I love learning and hearing about our

01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:38.615
local history and to hear about life as

01:22:38.639 --> 01:22:41.175
it was decades or more ago in our

01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.016
community. And I'd encourage any

01:22:43.040 --> 01:22:44.776
community members to read about the

01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.576
society's work, about their events if

01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:49.496
you have an interest in our local area

01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.336
and our history and come along and

01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.056
listen. Thank you.

01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:56.056
Thank you, Councelor Mintosh. Councelor

01:22:56.080 --> 01:22:59.080
Huckley.

01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.000
Okay. , look, I just want to reiterate

01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.816
the importance of historical societies

01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.840
generally.  and to the point that

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:11.496
councelor McIntosh makes um I think it's

01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.576
it's incredibly important that um

01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:16.056
collections and the people who um manage

01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:18.856
them and curate them  and gather them

01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:21.880
and write about them have a place  in

01:23:22.320 --> 01:23:25.320
our community that is stable um and that

01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.016
enables them to get on with their work

01:23:27.040 --> 01:23:29.096
and not have to simply shuffle boxes

01:23:29.120 --> 01:23:30.776
around as I understand has been the case

01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.416
for for some time now. , and the

01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:35.416
reason why I regard that as important is

01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:38.215
is that simply in the time I've been

01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:39.976
representative of the Highett and Hampton

01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.615
East suburbs, , I've been exposed to

01:23:42.639 --> 01:23:45.639
such an extraordinary wealth of of

01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:47.576
knowledge,

01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:50.600
, that exists only ephemerally, um,

01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:53.816
around our suburbs of so many different

01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.215
events and things and people that

01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:57.736
constitute

01:23:57.760 --> 01:23:59.576
who we are, the journey that we've been

01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:01.896
on to get to where we are, and therefore

01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.920
, have a better understanding of our

01:24:05.120 --> 01:24:07.096
community and what makes it  strong

01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:10.120
and and lively. Um

01:24:10.320 --> 01:24:13.320
148 Wickcham Road um is  is just a

01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.560
house, but it was the place where um

01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.416
 Harry Hawker was born. Um and he's

01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:24.056
he's the bloke who gave more to aviation

01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:27.080
than almost any one individual  in the

01:24:27.360 --> 01:24:29.175
history of aviation. and his name, even

01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:31.175
though he only lived to 32, his name is

01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.016
still attached to the aircraft that the

01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:36.040
company he founded um makes um one of

01:24:36.639 --> 01:24:39.639
the sons of Highett. Um Hampton East um

01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.600
Farmingland Market Gardens, families

01:24:44.719 --> 01:24:47.719
that are still there from the 1860s,

01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:50.376
um who still participate in community

01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:51.896
activities and who still have all of

01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:53.816
these amazing records. We need to

01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.816
protect it. We need to safeguard it.

01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.615
need to house it so that it is there for

01:24:58.639 --> 01:25:00.695
future generations. And I could talk all

01:25:00.719 --> 01:25:02.615
night about some of the the discoveries

01:25:02.639 --> 01:25:04.536
that I've had recently about Hyde and

01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:06.695
Hampton East, but maybe we should have a

01:25:06.719 --> 01:25:09.016
historical society of our own down the

01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:12.040
track. See what I did then?

01:25:13.360 --> 01:25:15.416
Are there other speakers, please, to the

01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:18.440
motion? Councelor Erl.

01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:21.416
, thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Look,

01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:23.655
I I'm a bit of an ideas man at times and

01:25:23.679 --> 01:25:26.376
I've got an idea.

01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:29.096
No, I've got an idea. What about this?

01:25:29.120 --> 01:25:31.816
Rather than a report on, you know,

01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:33.096
report and we'll have a committee and

01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:34.615
we'll have a meeting about a meeting.

01:25:34.639 --> 01:25:36.296
Why don't we just say, "All right, let

01:25:36.320 --> 01:25:38.695
them stay there.

01:25:38.719 --> 01:25:41.175
What's the roadblock?"

01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:44.199
Could I ask any of the officers

01:25:44.480 --> 01:25:46.135
50,000 a year

01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:47.416
or an alternative society?

01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:48.856
So, so that's a question of the

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:49.816
officers. Um,

01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.896
a question. Let them just say it's a

01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:54.695
wonderful society. Okay, the I'll let

01:25:54.719 --> 01:25:57.719
the CEO answer the question. Thank you.

01:25:58.159 --> 01:25:59.976
Sorry that it was not a question on

01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.456
notice.

01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:03.816
Thank you, councelor Eric, and through

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:05.816
you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Um, notice of

01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.296
motions are a

01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:09.976
a mechanism for council to seek

01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:11.896
information. Um, they are not a

01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:14.296
mechanism to allocate funds. Um, that's

01:26:14.320 --> 01:26:15.816
the purpose of the report being brought

01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:17.736
back to council to make an informed

01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.760
decision.

01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:23.096
Thank you.

01:26:23.120 --> 01:26:25.336
Thank you, Mr. CEO. Are there any 

01:26:25.360 --> 01:26:28.360
councelor Leigh, would you like to speak?

01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.096
Just wondering if um as a question, is

01:26:33.120 --> 01:26:35.816
there any alternatives where longer term

01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:38.840
where um the society should go from

01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:40.215
where they are at the moment in

01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:41.816
Sandringham? I know we have a

01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:43.896
magnificent old m mansion somewhere

01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:45.976
called Bella. So, I'm just wondering

01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.135
whether it's a possibility. Is that

01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.456
where they may look at longterm? I'm

01:26:50.480 --> 01:26:52.215
just a question to somebody.

01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:52.615
Yes.

01:26:52.639 --> 01:26:55.016
So,

01:26:55.040 --> 01:26:56.615
um, councelor Leigh, there's a range of

01:26:56.639 --> 01:26:58.135
options um, including the one you

01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.135
mentioned that could be considered and,

01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:02.056
um, officers , will be bringing a

01:27:02.080 --> 01:27:03.496
report back to council with the full

01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:06.520
details for you to think about.

01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:11.175
Okay. , I'll just say a few words ,

01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.199
to to the motion. So I was at the 170th

01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:17.736
birthday with councelor McIntosh and so

01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.736
impressed with the memorabilia that was

01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:22.056
pulled out and the history that I wasn't

01:27:22.080 --> 01:27:24.936
aware of of Gypsy Village and and the

01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.496
school itself. So it's great. I do agree

01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.520
that the um society needs to be housed.

01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.695
I'm not entirely convinced it should be

01:27:32.719 --> 01:27:34.776
in commercial real estate with

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:37.336
commercial rate payers, you know, rents

01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:40.360
for that prime that prime real estate.

01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:43.639
Um, but I'm in principle supportive of

01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.856
the motion to to look at a report and

01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.936
ideally they would be back in either the

01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.816
library or in the mansion basically with

01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:54.840
all that history there. So I would you

01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:58.536
like a right of reply?

01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:00.776
Councelor Macintosh.

01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.695
Oh sorry councelor Murray. Did you want

01:28:02.719 --> 01:28:05.016
to say a few words? Sorry I overlooked

01:28:05.040 --> 01:28:07.576
that. Would you like to say a few words?

01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.600
No. Councelor Mintosh.

01:28:16.400 --> 01:28:18.135
Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Look,

01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.896
not too much to say other than obviously

01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.056
we have had a number of  notices of

01:28:22.080 --> 01:28:24.215
motion moved this evening, but I' I'd

01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.456
like to assure our members who are are

01:28:26.480 --> 01:28:28.056
still here in the gallery, including

01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:29.816
Kristen as president, that we saved the

01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:31.896
best till last and I hope that everyone

01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:33.655
is happy to support the motion. Thank

01:28:33.679 --> 01:28:35.336
you.

01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:36.936
So, I put the motion to the vote. All

01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.096
those in favor, councelor Hogley,

01:28:39.120 --> 01:28:42.120
councelor Erlic, Council,

01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:45.576
I knew your hand would go up. Councelor

01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:47.416
Mintosh, Councelor Leigh, Councelor

01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:49.256
Murray, and Councelor Taylor Hayne. So,

01:28:49.280 --> 01:28:51.736
the motion is carried. , that's the

01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:54.376
end of the notices of motion. There's

01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:57.096
been a request  for a fivem minute

01:28:57.120 --> 01:28:59.496
adjournment. If I can get a mover so we

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.520
can fix the IVs, please. So, moved and

01:29:02.719 --> 01:29:05.719
second. , councelor Councelor Hockley

01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.816
moved and , seconded. Councelor

01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:10.840
McIntosh. All those in favor? Councelor

01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:12.376
Hockley, Councelor Ellit, Councelor

01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:14.215
Mintosh, Councelor Leigh, Councelor

01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.536
Murray, and Councelor Taylor Hayes. Five

01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:19.560
minutes. Thank you.

01:29:19.679 --> 01:29:22.536
Can I please have a mover to resume the

01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.376
meeting? Thank you, Councelor Hockley,

01:29:24.400 --> 01:29:26.856
and a seconder, Councelor Mintosh. All

01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:28.856
those in favor, councelor Hockley,

01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.936
Councelor Mintosh, Councelor Erlict,

01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.096
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

01:29:33.120 --> 01:29:36.120
Haynes. And so it is moved. So moving on

01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:39.096
to the next section 12, reports by

01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:40.695
organization.

01:29:40.719 --> 01:29:42.536
Councilors and members of the gallery.

01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:44.776
There were two formal written statements

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received to items on the agenda for

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tonight's meeting. There were three

01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:51.896
requests to speak received. In

01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:53.655
accordance with council's governance

01:29:53.679 --> 01:29:55.655
rules, the names of those who have

01:29:55.679 --> 01:29:57.655
submitted a written statement will be

01:29:57.679 --> 01:29:59.976
read out at the commencement of each

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item and recorded in the minutes.

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However, statements are not read out in

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to the meeting. We will then hear from

01:30:07.360 --> 01:30:10.296
registered speakers who will each have

01:30:10.320 --> 01:30:12.695
two minutes to give their presentation.

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The time will be electronically

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displayed on the screen above and after

01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:19.496
your speaking time has expired, you will

01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.520
hear this sound.

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I'm grateful that worked. Thank you. A

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reminder also to the speakers to please

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contain your presentation to the subject

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matter. Please also ensure your comments

01:30:33.360 --> 01:30:36.296
are respectful and refrain from making

01:30:36.320 --> 01:30:39.320
any derogatory or defamatory comments of

01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:41.976
any counselor, member of council staff

01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:44.536
or member of the community. Should you

01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:46.376
be in breach of this requirement, your

01:30:46.400 --> 01:30:49.096
presentation will immediately  be

01:30:49.120 --> 01:30:51.016
terminated and you will be asked to

01:30:51.040 --> 01:30:53.496
return to your seat. Should you have any

01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:55.416
documents or any pictures to be

01:30:55.440 --> 01:30:57.736
circulated to counselors as part of your

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presentation, please indicate when you

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approach the speaker table and the

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.536
governance officers will review the

01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:06.215
documents first and assist in

01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:08.936
distributing them to each counselor to

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ensure the best audio experience for the

01:31:11.360 --> 01:31:13.416
gallery and those following the meeting

01:31:13.440 --> 01:31:15.496
online. If speakers, officers, and

01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.816
counselors could also remember to speak

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directly into the microphone.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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So item 12.1 common law property 15

01:31:29.280 --> 01:31:32.215
outer cresant Brighton local law tree

01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:35.239
removal appeal application. We have one

01:31:35.280 --> 01:31:37.896
request to be heard.

01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.536
So one request to speak. Could Samantha

01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:42.695
Beverage on behalf of the body corporate

01:31:42.719 --> 01:31:45.719
for 15 outer cresant Brighton please

01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.760
approach the speaker table.

01:31:51.440 --> 01:31:52.536
doesn't appear to be here.

01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.496
Doesn't appear to be here.

01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:57.336
This is the second time that this is an

01:31:57.360 --> 01:32:00.360
item has come to um to the meeting. Do

01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.056
do we move ahead? Do I have a mover for

01:32:04.080 --> 01:32:04.456
the

01:32:04.480 --> 01:32:07.336
Yes, I um I move a motion that council

01:32:07.360 --> 01:32:09.175
resolves to refuse to issue a local law

01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:10.776
tree removal permit.

01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.576
Okay. And do we have a seconder?

01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:16.600
Thank you. So, councelor Murray, would

01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:19.736
you like to talk? Is your microphone

01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:20.615
working? Thank you.

01:32:20.639 --> 01:32:22.695
It does work. Um, yes. Look, I I do move

01:32:22.719 --> 01:32:24.215
this motion. I strongly oppose this

01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:25.896
application. I visited this property and

01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:27.816
viewed the two trees in question. I

01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.175
knocked on a couple of doors, but

01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.096
unfortunately was unsuccessful in

01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:33.416
speaking to anybody. I'm grateful to the

01:32:33.440 --> 01:32:34.776
officers who have drafted this

01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:36.376
particular report, and I note that an

01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:38.056
independent arborist has reviewed the

01:32:38.080 --> 01:32:39.655
application and affirmed that there are

01:32:39.679 --> 01:32:41.976
no grounds to support the removal of

01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:44.296
these trees relative to the local law

01:32:44.320 --> 01:32:46.936
guidelines. the attached report and I um

01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:49.816
refer to I believe it's pages 29 and 30

01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:51.256
very clearly works through the

01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:53.096
guidelines that must be met in order to

01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:55.816
satisfy a permit application

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.840
um and indeed it lists very clearly that

01:32:59.040 --> 01:33:02.040
um there is

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.600
okay I've got this one

01:33:11.679 --> 01:33:14.679
sorry I've lost my train of report.

01:33:15.360 --> 01:33:17.976
A particular relevance to this matter is

01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:20.776
the following.  as noted in the

01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:22.215
report, whilst there is evidence

01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:24.135
provided of the damage to the concrete

01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:25.816
which is now actually removed and of

01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:27.416
tree roots in the p pipes, what is

01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:29.336
unknown is the extent of damage to this

01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:31.496
infrastructure. The lifted sections of

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:33.016
the concrete have been replaced by

01:33:33.040 --> 01:33:34.456
crushed concrete and there is no

01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:35.976
evidence that this cannot either

01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:38.456
continue as is or be covered by another

01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:40.856
hard material. These trees have a high

01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:43.816
amenity value and  the repair costs of

01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:45.496
concrete or similar would not be so

01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.816
significant as to warrant the the two

01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:50.840
trees two entire trees being removed. 

01:33:51.199 --> 01:33:52.856
the report notes that the roots in the

01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:54.215
main pipe running along the length of

01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:55.976
the driveway appear to be small and

01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:57.576
possibly could be removed through water

01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.736
jetting. It is also possible that this

01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:01.416
root growth is in fact not from the

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.256
trees but actually from seeds that have

01:34:03.280 --> 01:34:05.655
germinated and grown in the pipes. There

01:34:05.679 --> 01:34:07.256
appears to have been no maintenance of

01:34:07.280 --> 01:34:08.936
the drainage system over the years, and

01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:11.016
the small drainage pit in the driveway

01:34:11.040 --> 01:34:12.615
does not appear to have been maintained

01:34:12.639 --> 01:34:15.096
at all. All owners have a responsibility

01:34:15.120 --> 01:34:16.776
to maintain their properties, and this

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:18.776
failure to care for the common property

01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:20.695
has contributed to the situation they

01:34:20.719 --> 01:34:23.576
now find themselves in. I suggest that

01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:25.016
that also relates to the current

01:34:25.040 --> 01:34:26.856
condition of the driveway itself, which

01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:28.536
does not seem to have been maintained to

01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.175
any particular standard. The evidence of

01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:32.856
the large route from the drainage pit in

01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:34.695
front of dwelling 2 is noted. However,

01:34:34.719 --> 01:34:36.615
it appears to be a localized route and

01:34:36.639 --> 01:34:38.615
no details are provided about the extent

01:34:38.639 --> 01:34:40.936
and location. As concluded by the

01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.416
arborist, quote, and I quote, I do not

01:34:43.440 --> 01:34:44.536
believe that there has been enough

01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.615
evidence provided to prove that there

01:34:46.639 --> 01:34:48.296
are no alternatives to repair the

01:34:48.320 --> 01:34:50.376
drainage pipes. Complete replacement of

01:34:50.400 --> 01:34:51.896
the drainage pipes does not seem

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:53.655
realistic and the cost provided in the

01:34:53.679 --> 01:34:56.615
quotation seem excessively high. In my

01:34:56.639 --> 01:34:58.135
opinion, I do not believe that enough

01:34:58.159 --> 01:34:59.896
evidence or alternative views have been

01:34:59.920 --> 01:35:02.135
provided to address the damage and I do

01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:03.736
not believe that tree removal should be

01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.456
allowed based on the evidence provided.

01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:08.615
Now, apart from that, , apart from the

01:35:08.639 --> 01:35:10.296
above, the proposed removal meets none

01:35:10.320 --> 01:35:12.135
of the considerations for allowing trees

01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.376
to be removed. I note that they are

01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:16.776
apparently over 50 years old. Both trees

01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.135
are classified as moderate to high

01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:20.695
amenity value based on the criteria as

01:35:20.719 --> 01:35:23.719
they are of good health provide um in

01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:25.576
quotation marks significant landscape

01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.816
amenity and are easily viewed from the

01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:30.135
street thus bene benefiting the wider

01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:31.976
community.

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.655
I would suggest that the trees provide a

01:35:33.679 --> 01:35:35.256
high level of amenity to the residents

01:35:35.280 --> 01:35:37.096
themselves as they obscure the fence and

01:35:37.120 --> 01:35:38.536
neighboring building and provide some

01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:40.056
relief and shade from an otherwise

01:35:40.080 --> 01:35:42.536
lengthy strip of bare concrete wall and

01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.175
driveway.

01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:46.536
I'm not sure I need to say anything

01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:47.336
further.

01:35:47.360 --> 01:35:49.416
Thank you, Councelor Murray. Councelor

01:35:49.440 --> 01:35:50.936
Hockley, would you like to say a few

01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:53.960
words?

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.000
Possible.

01:35:57.120 --> 01:35:59.175
Otherwise,

01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.199
thank you. Thanks,

01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:05.096
um, I will relocate myself a few inches

01:36:05.120 --> 01:36:08.120
to the north. Um

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:12.040
I I echo what um what councelor Murray

01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.239
has said um  tonight and I think 

01:36:16.639 --> 01:36:19.639
the um the studied approach to um

01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:22.615
arguing for the retention of these trees

01:36:22.639 --> 01:36:25.416
u contrast with my own  more

01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:28.056
colloquial version which is that um

01:36:28.080 --> 01:36:31.080
peppercorn trees the shinus tree is a a

01:36:31.280 --> 01:36:34.280
magnificent tree. They are quite rare.

01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:36.056
Even though they're not necessarily

01:36:36.080 --> 01:36:39.080
natives um  anywhere else um on any in

01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:42.936
anybody else's front yard or backyard,

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.655
they would be regarded  as a treasure.

01:36:45.679 --> 01:36:48.679
They're slow growing. They're graceful.

01:36:48.719 --> 01:36:51.719
 and  there seems to be no argument

01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:54.536
to remove them. And I I firmly believe

01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.560
that if the chainsaw was was brought

01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:00.376
along to these trees, then the gap that

01:37:00.400 --> 01:37:02.296
they would create would be instantly

01:37:02.320 --> 01:37:04.615
regretted. And therefore, I'm very

01:37:04.639 --> 01:37:07.639
pleased to support  a motion to refuse

01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.840
the removal of these trees. Um  with

01:37:11.360 --> 01:37:13.336
significant experience of my own in

01:37:13.360 --> 01:37:15.896
relation to owners corporations, this

01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:17.655
owners corporation is obliged to have a

01:37:17.679 --> 01:37:19.416
10-year maintenance plan. And the

01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:22.215
maintenance plan needs to and in fact is

01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.615
obliged to by law look at all of the

01:37:24.639 --> 01:37:26.536
issues associated with maintaining its

01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:28.296
plumbing, its storm water, its drainage

01:37:28.320 --> 01:37:31.016
systems.  and I think a failure to do

01:37:31.040 --> 01:37:33.976
so is is part of what we're looking at

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:36.536
 here in in there being an argument to

01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:39.256
remove remove these trees for entirely

01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:42.056
pragmatic reasons. So with any luck

01:37:42.080 --> 01:37:45.080
tonight it'll be trees to chainsaws nil.

01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.056
Thank you, councelor Hockley. Are there

01:37:50.080 --> 01:37:53.080
any other speakers? Councelor Eric.

01:38:01.040 --> 01:38:04.040
Um, just to say that I understand

01:38:05.360 --> 01:38:08.056
in life is very unsettling. So, I think

01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:09.976
you're going to be unsettled.

01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:13.000
I believe in a rulesbased order as was

01:38:13.360 --> 01:38:16.360
described by councelor Murray earlier

01:38:16.639 --> 01:38:19.416
tonight. If we allow this, it does set a

01:38:19.440 --> 01:38:22.440
precedent and that is very dangerous. So

01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:25.496
I said I'd be brief. I'm inclined to

01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.215
agree with councelor Murray and

01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:29.816
councelor Hockley that those trees

01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:32.840
should be returned.

01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:37.239
Okay. Thank you councelor Macintosh.

01:38:42.320 --> 01:38:44.456
Just very briefly, I'd like to concur

01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:46.056
with the comments of my fellow

01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:47.655
councilors. Councelor Murray, councelor

01:38:47.679 --> 01:38:50.135
Hockley, councelor. Thank you.

01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.215
Thank you. Councelor Mintosh. 

01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:55.239
councelor Leigh. No words. Okay. I'll just

01:38:55.280 --> 01:38:58.056
say a few words. I too visited the the

01:38:58.080 --> 01:39:00.456
property and walked up and up and down

01:39:00.480 --> 01:39:03.480
and um it is a hodgepodge of a driveway.

01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:07.480
It's it's very wide. Um I wouldn't be if

01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.215
I were the landlord or the body

01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:11.736
corporate probably not putting down

01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.536
liquid silver. It is expensive to put

01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.296
that back down over the tree roots to

01:39:16.320 --> 01:39:18.456
then lift again. But having said that

01:39:18.480 --> 01:39:21.256
the um the the representative of the

01:39:21.280 --> 01:39:23.256
body corporate isn't here to talk

01:39:23.280 --> 01:39:26.280
tonight. I haven't received any any um

01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.695
push back against the officer's re

01:39:30.719 --> 01:39:33.719
recommendations here. So, um I am in

01:39:34.639 --> 01:39:36.376
support of the officer's recommendation

01:39:36.400 --> 01:39:39.336
for them to remain. Can I please put the

01:39:39.360 --> 01:39:41.816
 item to the vote? All those in favor

01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:43.576
of the officer's recommendation,

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.336
councelor Hockley, councelor Ellit,

01:39:45.360 --> 01:39:47.016
councelor Macintosh, councelor Leigh,

01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:48.776
councelor Murray, and councelor Taylor

01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.800
Haynes. And so it is carried. Thank you.

01:39:53.440 --> 01:39:56.440
So, moving on to 12.2.

01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:58.376


01:39:58.400 --> 01:40:01.400
item 179, TR Tramway Parade. Councelor

01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:02.856
Leigh, I understand you have an

01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.736
alternative motion. Can you please read

01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.215
that motion?

01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:11.239
Council resolve grant amendment.

01:40:18.480 --> 01:40:19.976
Can you stop a moment while we hand down

01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:22.215
a microphone? Thank you.

01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:24.695
We might hear here, but online they may

01:40:24.719 --> 01:40:26.215
not hear so well. Thank

01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.239
Right. Um All right. Okay. that I move

01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:32.215
that the council resolve to grant an

01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:35.239
amend an amendment to a permit  under

01:40:35.280 --> 01:40:37.016
the provisions of the Bayside planning

01:40:37.040 --> 01:40:38.296
scheme in respect of planning

01:40:38.320 --> 01:40:41.320
application five stroke 2024 stroke 63

01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.416
stroke 2 for the land known and

01:40:45.440 --> 01:40:48.376
described as 179 Tramway parade for

01:40:48.400 --> 01:40:50.615
Morris

01:40:50.639 --> 01:40:52.856
you councelor Leigh I've made a big fauxar

01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:55.175
in the chair here we have a request to

01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.576
be heard first so if you can take your

01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:00.600
seat I will ask that hopefully this 

01:41:01.440 --> 01:41:03.655
speaker is in the chambers that Dr.

01:41:03.679 --> 01:41:06.456
Amanda Afield on behalf of Alistister

01:41:06.480 --> 01:41:09.480
and Morin McBth come to the table. Thank

01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.896
you.

01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.536
Actually on behalf of our neighbors.

01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:16.936
Okay. So this is in the in the running

01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.960
this is wrong. So my apologies. Um thank

01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:22.856
you Dr. um Afield. You have two minutes

01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:23.816
to speak. So

01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:25.175
thank you. Thank you for the opportunity

01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:27.496
to speak. We moved to B Morris in

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:29.816
January 2024 for its natural environment

01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.296
and leafy character on our block. We

01:41:32.320 --> 01:41:35.320
currently have five large trees.

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:38.600
Can you can I get some help? Sorry,

01:41:38.719 --> 01:41:41.336
that's fine. Is that okay? Can I just

01:41:41.360 --> 01:41:42.215
Sorry.

01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:42.936
Thank you.

01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.175
Yeah.

01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.496
Sorry.

01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:48.056
Sorry.

01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:49.416
Thank you. Please take your seat. Um

01:41:49.440 --> 01:41:52.440
Hannah, we'll have your partner take

01:41:52.639 --> 01:41:53.256
I'll start.

01:41:53.280 --> 01:41:55.016
Yes. Can we start again? Is that okay?

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:55.896
Thank you

01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.920
once again. Okay.  my family moved to

01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:01.336
Bur Morris in January 2024 for its

01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:03.256
natural environment and leafy character

01:42:03.280 --> 01:42:04.856
on our block. We currently have five

01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:06.536
large trees including the willow merin

01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:08.856
before willow merch before you providing

01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.336
about 30% canopy coverage. We've engaged

01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:13.256
a qualified arburest three times in the

01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:15.095
past 18 months to maintain in the health

01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:17.336
and structural integrity of our trees

01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:18.856
demonstrating our commitment to bayside

01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.256
strategy and responsible stewardship.

01:42:21.280 --> 01:42:22.856
The Willow Myrtle sits just 2 meters

01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:24.376
from our dwelling and 4 meters from the

01:42:24.400 --> 01:42:26.296
neighbor's home, encroaching 40% into

01:42:26.320 --> 01:42:27.816
the tree protection zone. Both our

01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:29.175
independent arborist and council

01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:30.936
arborist have identified basil rot in

01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:32.776
the lower trunk and noted poor

01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:34.936
structure. Should failure occur, the

01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:36.695
likely impact zones of our living area

01:42:36.719 --> 01:42:38.456
and critically our neighbors main

01:42:38.480 --> 01:42:41.095
bedroom. Excuse me. We have already

01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:42.936
undergone an extensive and costly permit

01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:45.576
process to remove a separate high-risisk

01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.496
silky oak. We do not seek removal

01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:48.936
lightly, but in the interest of safety

01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:50.296
and responsible management, our

01:42:50.320 --> 01:42:51.496
immediate neighbors have provided a

01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:52.776
letter of support which has been

01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:54.856
submitted for today's discussion.

01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:56.615
Council has raised canopy as a key

01:42:56.639 --> 01:42:57.736
consideration, and we share that

01:42:57.760 --> 01:42:59.736
priority. Our replanting plan

01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:01.496
compromises native species consistent

01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:03.095
with council's guidelines, including two

01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:04.776
large replacement trees and seven native

01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:07.175
lilyies to maintain overall canopy

01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:09.736
coverage at around 30%. Our proposed

01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:11.816
home removation works are modest and

01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:13.655
within current guidelines. They are a

01:43:13.679 --> 01:43:15.416
necessary update to an aging original

01:43:15.440 --> 01:43:17.816
1960s blonde brick home. Works that will

01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:19.736
retain its character, improve safety and

01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:21.256
efficiency, and ensure this authentic

01:43:21.280 --> 01:43:22.776
mid-century dwelling continues to

01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:23.655
contribute to the history and

01:43:23.679 --> 01:43:25.576
streetscape of Boris rather than

01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.256
deteriorate and replaced by a more

01:43:27.280 --> 01:43:29.655
intrusive build in the future. Of note,

01:43:29.679 --> 01:43:31.256
there were no objections from neighbors

01:43:31.280 --> 01:43:32.776
and conservation groups during the

01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.800
removal permit advertising process.

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.000
Approval will remove a foreseeable risk,

01:43:39.040 --> 01:43:40.456
protect neighboring amenity, and

01:43:40.480 --> 01:43:42.376
preserve an original 1960s home while

01:43:42.400 --> 01:43:44.296
delivering a like-forlike canopy outcome

01:43:44.320 --> 01:43:46.296
aligned with council policy. We

01:43:46.320 --> 01:43:47.896
respectfully ask council to support the

01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:49.175
tree removal. Thanks for your

01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:51.175
consideration.

01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:53.496
Thank you, Mr. Afield. Do we have any

01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:56.520
questions from from counselors?

01:43:58.560 --> 01:43:59.576
Councelor Hockley.

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:02.600
Yeah. How old is the tree?

01:44:02.639 --> 01:44:05.175
 it's not sure the age. is at

01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:07.095
maturity. I think of it.

01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:09.896
And it's it's 11 m tall.

01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:10.456
Yeah.

01:44:10.480 --> 01:44:12.056
Yeah.

01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:14.296
And our arborist has has judged it as

01:44:14.320 --> 01:44:16.456
having a life a future lifespan from

01:44:16.480 --> 01:44:18.776
here of between 10 to 19 years. Is that

01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:20.536
correct?

01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:22.376
Yes, that's correct.

01:44:22.400 --> 01:44:24.376
Sorry, the chair. That is correct.

01:44:24.400 --> 01:44:25.976
I'm pretty familiar with Willow Myrtle

01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:27.976
trees and I'm not I must confess I'm not

01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:30.615
a fan. Um,

01:44:30.639 --> 01:44:32.536
I'm just curious as to why it's got such

01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:35.560
a um a complex base. It looks to have

01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:40.536
been either copested or it's grown. It's

01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.016
it's it's developed shoots and or it's

01:44:43.040 --> 01:44:44.695
been cut off at some stage and developed

01:44:44.719 --> 01:44:46.695
shoots. I'm sure you don't.

01:44:46.719 --> 01:44:48.296
I guess you weren't around, but it's

01:44:48.320 --> 01:44:50.456
just normally these trees have a single

01:44:50.480 --> 01:44:52.376
trunk and this one's been messed around

01:44:52.400 --> 01:44:55.016
with by the looks of it. Can anybody

01:44:55.040 --> 01:44:57.416
shed any light on on whether this is

01:44:57.440 --> 01:44:59.256
actually as good a tree as is as as is

01:44:59.280 --> 01:45:01.336
claimed

01:45:01.360 --> 01:45:02.856
through the chair? The arborist report

01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:04.376
doesn't provide any information around

01:45:04.400 --> 01:45:06.456
the the treatment of the tree previously

01:45:06.480 --> 01:45:08.215
though it has indicated the the lifespan

01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:11.016
of the tree um in this report.

01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:13.816
Thank you.

01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.296
Are there any other questions to Mr.

01:45:16.320 --> 01:45:19.175
Afield? If not, I have a few qu Oh,

01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:21.736
Councelor Leigh, please go ahead.

01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:24.135
No, I'll ask a couple of questions if I

01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:27.159
may. Um, so Mr. Afield, according to the

01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:30.215
reports there, there were there was

01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:32.776
another tree that was removed. Um,

01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:34.856
initially you applied for two trees to

01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:37.416
be removed and it looks like one was

01:45:37.440 --> 01:45:40.440
granted at VCAT. There were a number of

01:45:40.719 --> 01:45:43.719
different arborist reports um by a

01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:45.896
couple by council council's own arborist

01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:47.816
and then independent and then your own

01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:50.615
independent arborist. And as as usual,

01:45:50.639 --> 01:45:53.639
they all stated different things. Um,

01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:56.296
when that tree that was dropping limbs

01:45:56.320 --> 01:45:58.856
that was granted  permission for

01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.880
removal was taken down, which arborist

01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:04.215
report was the correct one in

01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:07.239
 that was our arbor's report.

01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.600
Tree rot  in the um main trunk about

01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:13.896
25 cmters in diameter.

01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.695
Okay. Thank you. And um how much time

01:46:16.719 --> 01:46:19.496
has this process taken so far? I I know

01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.256
you've done what's been asked along the

01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:24.280
way with the the red tape um and and you

01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.215
are here today with you know you've you

01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.615
put in a building application and this

01:46:30.639 --> 01:46:33.256
is a separate permit and so forth but

01:46:33.280 --> 01:46:36.280
from when you you first applied prior to

01:46:36.400 --> 01:46:39.400
the VCAP motion  till now how long has

01:46:39.679 --> 01:46:42.679
the process taken?  almost 18 months.

01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:45.800
Um and initially the the proposal was we

01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:48.695
had an arborist come in. We had six

01:46:48.719 --> 01:46:51.175
trees large trees and we had one which

01:46:51.199 --> 01:46:52.936
was a silky dropping branches and we

01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:55.175
said please conduct a full health check

01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:57.016
on all the trees and his recommendation

01:46:57.040 --> 01:46:59.336
was the silk and the willow myrtle we're

01:46:59.360 --> 01:47:01.016
talking about tonight be removed as they

01:47:01.040 --> 01:47:02.456
both had right at the base.

01:47:02.480 --> 01:47:04.695
Okay. And then only permit was granted

01:47:04.719 --> 01:47:07.496
for one through that VCAP process. Um,

01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:10.215
and and what costs has this come to you

01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:11.576
so far? I haven't

01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:14.600
 just a touch over $18,000. Okay.

01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:18.119
Including  permits um working with

01:47:19.679 --> 01:47:21.896
arborists. Um yeah.

01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:24.920
Okay. Thank you. Um and just I'm going

01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:26.936
back to front here. There was one

01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:28.776
written statement. Thank you. U Mr.

01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:30.456
Afield. You can take your seat if

01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:32.296
there's no further questions. So there

01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:35.016
was to be clear one written statement

01:47:35.040 --> 01:47:38.040
received from  Dr. Amanda Afield and

01:47:38.080 --> 01:47:39.896
that was on behalf of Alistister and

01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.215
Morin McBth and that's in our written

01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.536
statement booklet. So councelor Leigh I

01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:46.615
can now ask you to please come up and 

01:47:46.639 --> 01:47:49.639
read the alternative um motion please.

01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:52.615
Thank you. Okay. That council resolve to

01:47:52.639 --> 01:47:55.256
grant an amendment to a permit under the

01:47:55.280 --> 01:47:57.095
provisions of the Bayside planning

01:47:57.119 --> 01:47:59.175
scheme in respect of planning

01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.199
application five stroke 2024

01:48:02.400 --> 01:48:05.400
stroke 63 stroke 2 for the land known

01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:08.520
and described as 179 tramway parade for

01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:11.576
Morris.

01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:13.655
Thank you. Councelor Leigh, would you like

01:48:13.679 --> 01:48:14.536
to talk to the

01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.095
Yes, I would. Thank you. Okay. From what

01:48:17.119 --> 01:48:19.816
I understand, and this is um that the

01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:21.976
that the applicant seeks,

01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.615
sorry, my um mistake again. Do I have a

01:48:24.639 --> 01:48:26.856
seconder, please? Thank you, councelor

01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.416
Ellit. Councelor Leigh, please continue.

01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:31.256
The application seeks an appropriate

01:48:31.280 --> 01:48:33.175
balance between the trees removal and

01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:35.655
the retention of other existing trees.

01:48:35.679 --> 01:48:38.296
For example, three mature mature trees

01:48:38.320 --> 01:48:40.376
will be retained on on on the rear

01:48:40.400 --> 01:48:42.936
garden. The independent arborist engaged

01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.416
by the permit application noted that the

01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:47.896
potential of the willow myrtle to fail

01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.296
to fail is high and is showing signs of

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:52.936
decline. The the applicant has managed

01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:55.816
to retain a willow myrtle and a sweet

01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:57.816
gum both large trees in the front

01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:00.135
garden. This is commendable and will

01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:02.135
provide an ongoing contribution to the

01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:03.655
vegetation

01:49:03.679 --> 01:49:06.135
the vegetital n nature of the area. Th

01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.536
these are fair and reasonable factors as

01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:10.296
why on balance this particular tree

01:49:10.320 --> 01:49:13.320
should be removed.

01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:15.816
Done.

01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.840
Thank you. Um councelor Erlic, would you

01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:21.880
like to speak?

01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:26.135
I would thank you. Um

01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:28.615
madame deputy Mayor. Um it's interesting

01:49:28.639 --> 01:49:30.936
to to see we've seen this before in this

01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:33.960
chamber. We've had Arush reports

01:49:36.639 --> 01:49:39.256
where we've had  two

01:49:39.280 --> 01:49:41.256
arous reports that have been drafted by

01:49:41.280 --> 01:49:44.056
two independent people that are at odds

01:49:44.080 --> 01:49:46.856
with each other. Um, I cast your mind

01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.816
back to the matter of um Julian  from

01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:52.840
Blesby who was advised by our arborists

01:49:55.119 --> 01:49:57.175
that his trees were fit and healthy but

01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:00.199
3 months later another arborist told

01:50:00.400 --> 01:50:02.056
them the complete opposite. So there's

01:50:02.080 --> 01:50:05.080
real tension there. Um and I don't think

01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:07.175
there's any right or wrong but what I do

01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:09.095
think is that we must go with a worst

01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.175
case scenario such that the tree has got

01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:13.736
rot in it and is a danger. we can't risk

01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:15.976
the consequence of getting that wrong.

01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.000
Um, so that's why I fully support  the

01:50:19.360 --> 01:50:22.360
amendment to this motion.

01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.920
Thank you, Councelor Murray.

01:50:31.679 --> 01:50:34.679
Thank you, Madame Deputy

01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:37.576
Deputy Mayor. Um, I also support this

01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:39.976
motion. I had um the great good fortune

01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.536
of visiting the property today and

01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:44.615
speaking with Mr. Afield and I thank you

01:50:44.639 --> 01:50:47.639
for your time. Um I understand that it

01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.695
has been a long and emotional um and

01:50:50.719 --> 01:50:53.719
expensive journey to today. Um and um I

01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.416
am sorry that that is the case. Um it is

01:50:57.440 --> 01:50:59.256
the case with trees and I have had to

01:50:59.280 --> 01:51:01.496
deal with this myself personally. I

01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:03.175
think this is one of these matters where

01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.199
it is an exception um to the rule so to

01:51:06.400 --> 01:51:09.400
speak. Um clearly there is some sort of

01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:11.256
danger with respect to the limbs. It's

01:51:11.280 --> 01:51:14.280
not a well-formed tree. Um there are a

01:51:14.400 --> 01:51:16.296
number of other significant trees on

01:51:16.320 --> 01:51:18.456
your property. Um there's of course you

01:51:18.480 --> 01:51:21.416
have genuine um genuine efforts to

01:51:21.440 --> 01:51:23.976
retain significant tree coverage and to

01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:26.936
um replant um as required. Um you have

01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.256
the support of your neighbors. Um and so

01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:31.496
I wish you all the very best and I hope

01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:34.520
that um your build goes well.

01:51:37.280 --> 01:51:38.856
Thank you, Councelor Murray. Are there

01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:41.095
any other speakers?

01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:44.119
Okay, Councelor Mintosh. Thank you.

01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:52.856
Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. So, not

01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.095
to add too much more, but I'm also

01:51:55.119 --> 01:51:57.896
supportive of this u motion. And I do um

01:51:57.920 --> 01:51:59.496
note that we've had a number of debates

01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.520
around other trees um this evening, but

01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:05.256
also um note the the lengths with which

01:52:05.280 --> 01:52:07.736
the residents have gone to in terms of

01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.536
trying to um

01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:12.536
ensure appropriate stewardship of the

01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:14.776
trees on their property. Um and that

01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:17.416
this one has  been diagnosed with some

01:52:17.440 --> 01:52:20.215
tree rot in the trunk and not wanting to

01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:22.695
um have any  safety issues in this

01:52:22.719 --> 01:52:24.695
regard. So I'm supportive of this

01:52:24.719 --> 01:52:27.719
motion, too. Thank you.

01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:29.655
There's a few words I'd like to say, but

01:52:29.679 --> 01:52:32.056
before I do, I' I've really messed all

01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:34.615
of this up in the chair. Um, Dr. Afield

01:52:34.639 --> 01:52:36.936
and Mr. Afield, you had some photos and

01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:38.856
slides to show tonight, and we didn't

01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:41.016
know you're okay with that. Okay. Can I

01:52:41.040 --> 01:52:43.736
um I have one photo just for me to say a

01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:46.760
few words, too.

01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:56.360
Oh, is it there? front one.

01:52:56.719 --> 01:52:59.719
Yeah, that one. So, I show this um this

01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:03.800
photo. Not this isn't the tree that's

01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:06.056
going to be removed. This is a beautiful

01:53:06.080 --> 01:53:07.896
tree. But when I first walked here and I

01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:09.655
said to the guys, "Oh my gosh, look at

01:53:09.679 --> 01:53:11.736
the damage firstly to the footpath

01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:13.736
that's obviously been repaired hopefully

01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:16.456
by council." Oh, probably not actually

01:53:16.480 --> 01:53:19.480
if it's a Yes. Okay. I my mistake again.

01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:22.376
And then the retaining wall. And I said,

01:53:22.400 --> 01:53:23.816
"What are you going to do there?" and

01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:26.056
they said, "Well, we need to now move

01:53:26.080 --> 01:53:29.080
the driveway over to accommodate a a new

01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.615
wall." Um, and and the roots, but that's

01:53:32.639 --> 01:53:35.175
fine. We love this tree, and this is why

01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:37.655
we moved to to this house. We we love

01:53:37.679 --> 01:53:40.679
our trees. Um, they bought the house as

01:53:41.360 --> 01:53:44.360
well because of the mid the mid um

01:53:45.440 --> 01:53:48.440
century modern and that that's a home.

01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:50.296
They they've outgrown that. They just

01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:51.976
want to do a small renovation at the

01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:54.135
back. they've got young children. Um,

01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:56.536
and it the tree in question would have

01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:58.776
been a great idea at the time for

01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:00.936
whoever planted it, but it did. It's got

01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:03.336
these six trunks and and now it's

01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:05.896
failing. And they're being very very

01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:08.856
reasonable. The the previous tree that

01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:10.936
had was dropping limbs and was granted

01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:13.175
permission. They're now going to plant

01:54:13.199 --> 01:54:15.896
two significant trees. So, not 100%

01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:18.920
canopy, but 200% canopy. And the slides

01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:21.256
that they didn't get to show you shows

01:54:21.280 --> 01:54:23.736
you the landscaping and all the lily

01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:25.736
pillies and additional plants that they

01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:27.896
will put in place. They really want to

01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:30.376
stay in the home. I suggested if if if

01:54:30.400 --> 01:54:32.776
you can't extend, if this isn't granted,

01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:34.536
will you just take the house down and

01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:36.776
build um you know, twotory? They said,

01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.496
"No, we love this house and we just need

01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:41.256
a little bit more room out the back and

01:54:41.280 --> 01:54:44.056
we love our trees, but this tree um is

01:54:44.080 --> 01:54:47.080
failing and doesn't impede our  our um

01:54:47.679 --> 01:54:50.536
our plans." So, I ask count it seems

01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:52.456
like we've got the approval, but I just

01:54:52.480 --> 01:54:55.336
wanted to say my few words. So, um I

01:54:55.360 --> 01:54:57.336
will go back to Mr. Leigh. Do you you have

01:54:57.360 --> 01:55:00.215
a right of reply? Councelor Leigh, there I

01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:03.175
go again. I must be tired. Councelor

01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:04.856
Leigh, would you like to say a few words?

01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:07.655
I have to say having seen that having um

01:55:07.679 --> 01:55:10.215
heard the debate I'd like to concur with

01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.695
what you've said and um I support what

01:55:12.719 --> 01:55:15.575
you were saying um from that perspective

01:55:15.599 --> 01:55:18.135
you without any further ado I put the

01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:21.016
vote to the um to the yes thank you the

01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:22.936
item to the vote so councelor Huckley

01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:24.936
councel early it's councelor Macintosh

01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:26.856
councelor Leigh councelor Murray councelor

01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:29.095
Taylor Haynes and so it is passed thank

01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.119
you.

01:55:32.719 --> 01:55:35.719
No thanks.

01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:39.080
So, moving on to item 12.3, Holay Beach

01:55:39.679 --> 01:55:42.615
proposed alcohol ban community um

01:55:42.639 --> 01:55:45.416
engagement summary report. Can I have

01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:47.736
There were no requests to be heard. Can

01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:49.655
I please have a mover, Councelor

01:55:49.679 --> 01:55:51.736
Hockley, and a seconder, Councelor

01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:53.736
Murray. Councelor Hockley, would you

01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:56.760
like to speak to the item

01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:58.856
possible? Yes.

01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:01.880
just keeping

01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:05.016
it.

01:56:05.040 --> 01:56:07.016
I think this is the loosest  meeting

01:56:07.040 --> 01:56:10.040
we've had so far. Um look um I'm only

01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:13.016
going to speak very very quickly. Holay

01:56:13.040 --> 01:56:16.040
Beach  is um it's beautiful beach.

01:56:17.679 --> 01:56:19.095
I've had the privilege of speaking to

01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:22.119
some of the people who um  run the 

01:56:22.719 --> 01:56:25.719
run the scout group down there. Um

01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.095
there are various issues when events

01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:32.119
happen um down on the beach, no more

01:56:32.400 --> 01:56:35.400
than you would experience at  at other

01:56:35.440 --> 01:56:38.440
beaches. Um I think if we if we start

01:56:39.440 --> 01:56:42.440
becoming draconian about

01:56:42.719 --> 01:56:45.719
the  the way in which people enjoy 

01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:49.159
our marine playgrounds, then I think um

01:56:49.440 --> 01:56:51.416
we just run the risk of being seen as a

01:56:51.440 --> 01:56:54.135
bunch of um fatty daddies.  the

01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:57.159
community is not um overly concerned by

01:56:58.400 --> 01:57:01.400
this issue.  and I think we should

01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:04.296
ensure that  people  young, old and

01:57:04.320 --> 01:57:05.976
in between can enjoy our beaches in

01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:07.655
various different ways as long as they

01:57:07.679 --> 01:57:10.679
are safe  look after our um our marine

01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:14.376
and forshore environments  and do the

01:57:14.400 --> 01:57:17.400
right thing in terms of  cleaning up

01:57:17.440 --> 01:57:20.376
 and um and safeguarding

01:57:20.400 --> 01:57:22.536
the environment that we have. And that's

01:57:22.560 --> 01:57:24.215
all I have to say on the matter.

01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:26.056
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Councelor

01:57:26.080 --> 01:57:27.976
Murray, would you like to speak to the

01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.056
item?

01:57:30.080 --> 01:57:31.736
Thank you. Any other speakers to the

01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.655
item?

01:57:33.679 --> 01:57:36.679
I'll just say a few words. Um, so I just

01:57:37.040 --> 01:57:39.256
think given the strong response from the

01:57:39.280 --> 01:57:42.056
community with 63% opposed to the

01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:44.376
proposal and that the police are also of

01:57:44.400 --> 01:57:46.456
the belief that the existing laws are

01:57:46.480 --> 01:57:49.416
sufficient as the area is historically

01:57:49.440 --> 01:57:52.056
not an area of concern. I'm h happy to

01:57:52.080 --> 01:57:54.615
follow the officer's recommendation on

01:57:54.639 --> 01:57:57.496
this matter. So, we'll put the item to

01:57:57.520 --> 01:57:59.575
the vote. All those in favor? Thank you,

01:57:59.599 --> 01:58:01.256
Councelor Hockley, Councelor Erlet,

01:58:01.280 --> 01:58:02.936
Councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh,

01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:04.695
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

01:58:04.719 --> 01:58:07.575
Haynes. And so, it is carried.

01:58:07.599 --> 01:58:10.296
Moving on to item

01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:13.320
12.4, Four councilor officer um council

01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:17.159
officer submission SRLA proposed open

01:58:17.280 --> 01:58:19.736
space offset for suburban rail loop

01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:22.760
Chelenham station. Um is there a mover

01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:25.800
please?

01:58:26.400 --> 01:58:28.695
Councelor Leigh. Thank you councilors. Is

01:58:28.719 --> 01:58:31.016
there a seconder?

01:58:31.040 --> 01:58:33.416
Thank you councelor Murray. Councelor

01:58:33.440 --> 01:58:36.440
Leigh would you like to debate?

01:58:38.639 --> 01:58:39.016
Yes.

01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:42.040
Um thank you. Part of the reason why I I

01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:44.615
stand about stand up about this is that

01:58:44.639 --> 01:58:47.639
um I hope firstly that um that council

01:58:48.719 --> 01:58:50.776
that the state government actually

01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:53.496
ensure that the name of um the station

01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.896
remains the same because um Sir William

01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:58.456
Fry was known as known to me as Bill Fry

01:58:58.480 --> 01:59:00.615
and he was one of my mentors that

01:59:00.639 --> 01:59:03.016
actually drove me to becoming involved

01:59:03.040 --> 01:59:05.095
in politics. He was a old school

01:59:05.119 --> 01:59:08.056
teacher. Um I have to say his

01:59:08.080 --> 01:59:11.080
contribution in life um over many many

01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:14.840
years into his very later life was um he

01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:17.496
was a good example to follow as a as a

01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.296
human being of what his answer was how

01:59:20.320 --> 01:59:22.135
he behaved and he in fact once said to

01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:24.296
me Jeffrey whenever you're going to

01:59:24.320 --> 01:59:26.135
drink alcohol if it's at a public

01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:29.159
meeting make sure it's in a coffee cup

01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:31.256
and he he was one of those sort of

01:59:31.280 --> 01:59:34.280
people who always had

01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:37.736
it's it's It's the station. I'm about

01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:40.056
the station. Firstly, that's where we're

01:59:40.080 --> 01:59:42.056
starting from. So, just relax. The point

01:59:42.080 --> 01:59:44.376
of the my point of all of this is

01:59:44.400 --> 01:59:46.215
firstly, I do hope they do keep the name

01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:48.536
of the station because it's of the

01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:50.695
reasons that I'm saying, but and I know

01:59:50.719 --> 01:59:52.536
what Labour will do, anybody with a

01:59:52.560 --> 01:59:53.896
nighthood on as the first thing they

01:59:53.920 --> 01:59:56.456
want to get rid of. But can I say my

01:59:56.480 --> 01:59:58.615
observation of what's being proposed

01:59:58.639 --> 02:00:00.776
with open space and the like is that you

02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:03.256
cannot trust them within a mile from

02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:05.976
what they've shown so far. um anytime

02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:07.736
they can build anything on anything,

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:09.816
they will. Whether they will stand up

02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:12.840
for their um the the processes they've

02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:15.736
put in place, they've demonstrated time

02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.376
after time as an administration going

02:00:18.400 --> 02:00:21.400
back to when this whole SRL started,

02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:24.936
they will put as many pieces of of real

02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:27.416
estate on every piece of open space they

02:00:27.440 --> 02:00:29.816
can if it gets them out of the financial

02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:32.135
mess that they're in. So, it's my my

02:00:32.159 --> 02:00:34.376
point of view. I certainly support the

02:00:34.400 --> 02:00:37.400
offices officer's views, but my I have

02:00:38.400 --> 02:00:40.695
the cynicism to believe that nothing

02:00:40.719 --> 02:00:42.776
anybody does with this state government,

02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:44.615
you can actually be guaranteed that

02:00:44.639 --> 02:00:46.456
they're actually going to honor it. So,

02:00:46.480 --> 02:00:48.135
while I support the officers

02:00:48.159 --> 02:00:50.615
recommendations of what they're doing,

02:00:50.639 --> 02:00:53.095
um I worry as to what will really happen

02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:55.655
out of this whole mess given that there

02:00:55.679 --> 02:00:57.575
is still no money to do what's going on.

02:00:57.599 --> 02:00:59.575
So while I support the officer's

02:00:59.599 --> 02:01:01.896
recommendation, I have great cynicism of

02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:03.736
the operations of what's going on by the

02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:04.936
state government.

02:01:04.960 --> 02:01:06.776
Thank you, Council Leigh. Councelor

02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:08.215
Murray, would you like to say a few

02:01:08.239 --> 02:01:11.239
words? This is on. Um, firstly, I'd just

02:01:12.480 --> 02:01:13.976
like to acknowledge the huge amount of

02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:15.496
work that the officers are having to put

02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:18.520
in um to these um you know, drafting

02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:20.776
these submissions and to reading all the

02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:22.135
submissions that are coming out. It's

02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:24.376
just unbelievable how much time, energy,

02:01:24.400 --> 02:01:27.016
and expense this must be putting us to.

02:01:27.040 --> 02:01:29.575
Um I can't imagine even reading it is

02:01:29.599 --> 02:01:31.416
exhausting me, let alone having to write

02:01:31.440 --> 02:01:34.135
it.  what I'm particularly outraged

02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:36.135
by, I think everyone is, is this um

02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:38.776
shared user pathway being categorized as

02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:40.856
a form of open space. I'd love to test

02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:43.880
that proposition in court actually. um

02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:46.695
that um 4,246

02:01:46.719 --> 02:01:49.175
square meters um of shared user pathway

02:01:49.199 --> 02:01:52.135
is somehow um of great benefit to um the

02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:54.536
public in terms of public open space.

02:01:54.560 --> 02:01:57.560
Bubbles the mind. Um but anyway, I won't

02:01:58.320 --> 02:02:01.016
um blather on further. Um I support this

02:02:01.040 --> 02:02:02.215
motion. Thank you.

02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:03.736
Are there any other speakers to the

02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:06.760
item? Councelor Hockley.

02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:10.135
 thanks Deputy May. Just  very

02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:11.655
quickly

02:02:11.679 --> 02:02:14.679
um whilst I support  the notion of the

02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:17.960
motion, I'll be curious um  to see 

02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:21.095
how councelor Leigh um responds when the

02:02:21.119 --> 02:02:23.496
Commonwealth comes up with some dough um

02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:26.456
when um if and when Brad Batton if and

02:02:26.480 --> 02:02:28.856
when Brad Batton is the um is the

02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:31.175
premier of Victoria and and does as he's

02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.016
committed to do to continue on with the

02:02:33.040 --> 02:02:36.040
suburban rail  loop um project as he

02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:39.560
um as he's undertaken. And the um the

02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:43.256
the main reason I've gotten up to  to

02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:46.280
to talk about this very briefly is 

02:02:46.960 --> 02:02:49.960
furthering from  councelor Murray's

02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:53.560
concern and that is that the SUP um

02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.496
pathway being counted as open space 

02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.215
is potentially um not even counted

02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:03.175
correctly  until we know where the

02:03:03.199 --> 02:03:06.199
center line of the railway track is in

02:03:06.480 --> 02:03:08.456
the location that the SUP

02:03:08.480 --> 02:03:11.480
um has been placed on the map because we

02:03:11.599 --> 02:03:13.976
don't in fact know if that will be under

02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:17.000
an elevated rail  on a ground level 

02:03:17.920 --> 02:03:20.920
track at level track u and depending on

02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:24.456
 whe what the answer to that question

02:03:24.480 --> 02:03:27.095
is will will determine the actual area

02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:30.119
of open space such as it is SU  SU

02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:33.575
allocation as councelor Murray says will

02:03:33.599 --> 02:03:35.095
that will determine the actual amount of

02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:36.695
space and the difference between what's

02:03:36.719 --> 02:03:39.336
what's been promised by SRL is in the

02:03:39.360 --> 02:03:41.655
thousands of square meters. And the

02:03:41.679 --> 02:03:43.816
reason why this is important is because

02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:46.296
it points to another serious concern

02:03:46.320 --> 02:03:48.615
that I have about SRL's um current plans

02:03:48.639 --> 02:03:49.896
and that is that they don't seem to

02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:52.920
incorporate either any knowledge of or

02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:56.199
familiarity with or even any collegial

02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.760
 collegial operation um with the level

02:04:01.119 --> 02:04:02.695
crossing removal authority. Now I know

02:04:02.719 --> 02:04:03.816
that the level crossing removal

02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.296
authority haven't yet moved into Highett

02:04:06.320 --> 02:04:09.256
to develop their formal plans. Um but

02:04:09.280 --> 02:04:11.655
until and unless the level crossing

02:04:11.679 --> 02:04:14.615
removal authority Highett  and the

02:04:14.639 --> 02:04:17.639
suburban rail loop um frankly get their

02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:21.159
stuff together and actually work  a an

02:04:21.920 --> 02:04:24.920
integrated solid package for how this

02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:27.416
whole area is going to be dealt with.

02:04:27.440 --> 02:04:30.135
All of this is moot.  and whilst our

02:04:30.159 --> 02:04:32.056
submission um is appropriate under the

02:04:32.080 --> 02:04:33.575
circumstances,

02:04:33.599 --> 02:04:36.599
 I um whilst   there is  there

02:04:37.599 --> 02:04:39.736
are some things that  council Leigh and

02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:41.816
I disagree on specifically with with

02:04:41.840 --> 02:04:43.496
relation to the suburban rail loop in a

02:04:43.520 --> 02:04:46.056
in a larger sense,  it's concerning to

02:04:46.080 --> 02:04:49.080
me that right now the SRL A and LXRP

02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:52.296
simply don't speak to each other and

02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:54.695
that has to change.

02:04:54.719 --> 02:04:56.695
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Do we have

02:04:56.719 --> 02:04:59.719
any other speakers? Councelor Macintosh.

02:05:03.440 --> 02:05:05.175
Thank you. Thank you, Madame Deputy

02:05:05.199 --> 02:05:07.095
Mayor. Um, I'd also like to acknowledge

02:05:07.119 --> 02:05:08.936
the good work of the officers on

02:05:08.960 --> 02:05:10.695
preparing this and many other

02:05:10.719 --> 02:05:13.719
submissions in relation to um the SRL

02:05:14.080 --> 02:05:16.456
and activity centers and so on. Um, I

02:05:16.480 --> 02:05:17.976
would note it's the first term I've

02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:19.976
heard or read the term activity lawn,

02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:21.575
which a lawn, which I thought was

02:05:21.599 --> 02:05:24.296
interesting. Um but I believe given the

02:05:24.320 --> 02:05:26.856
already very limited open space that we

02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:29.496
have in Chelenham, in Highett and

02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:31.416
surrounds that it is important that we

02:05:31.440 --> 02:05:33.416
do continue to strongly advocate for the

02:05:33.440 --> 02:05:36.440
best possible outcome of usable open

02:05:36.719 --> 02:05:38.695
space here and concur with concerns

02:05:38.719 --> 02:05:40.695
around the reporting of that shared user

02:05:40.719 --> 02:05:43.719
pathway as  open space. Um I would

02:05:44.400 --> 02:05:46.376
also concur with councelor Hockley's

02:05:46.400 --> 02:05:48.776
comments that are hoping that the SRL

02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:51.655
and also the um level crossing removal

02:05:51.679 --> 02:05:53.655
authority do talk to one another and

02:05:53.679 --> 02:05:55.655
note that we have some cyclists in the

02:05:55.679 --> 02:05:58.135
gallery tonight who are pretty keen to

02:05:58.159 --> 02:06:00.536
ensure that that you that shared user

02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:03.175
pathway including four um cyclists and

02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:05.976
pedestrians actually  is completed

02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:09.000
throughout that whole precinct um in a

02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:11.175
manner that that we would expect to

02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:13.416
happen. Not that it is just stops at a

02:06:13.440 --> 02:06:15.736
particular point. Thank you.

02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:17.496
Thank you, Councelor Macintosh. Are

02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:20.376
there any other speakers? Councelor Leigh,

02:06:20.400 --> 02:06:23.400
you have a right of reply.

02:06:24.480 --> 02:06:26.376
Um, look, what's being said by the

02:06:26.400 --> 02:06:27.816
others? The mere fact that two

02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.215
government instrumentalities don't even

02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:32.376
bother to talk to each other, that tells

02:06:32.400 --> 02:06:34.135
you everything about what I'm saying,

02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:37.095
why I why I look at what goes on with

02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:39.575
this. I mean, you know, this is the this

02:06:39.599 --> 02:06:41.175
is one section of it. Then the next

02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:42.856
section is going to be over my side of

02:06:42.880 --> 02:06:45.880
the the bay road. And frank frankly, if

02:06:46.400 --> 02:06:49.400
you've got how dysfunction is it that

02:06:49.679 --> 02:06:51.736
two government agencies responsible for

02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:54.135
doing something and you wonder why I

02:06:54.159 --> 02:06:56.456
have the cynicism about what's going on?

02:06:56.480 --> 02:06:58.615
I've been around politics for an awful

02:06:58.639 --> 02:07:01.095
long time and I've seen good government

02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:02.936
on my side. I've seen good government on

02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:05.655
Labour's side. I've seen really bad

02:07:05.679 --> 02:07:08.376
government  not too I've seen one on

02:07:08.400 --> 02:07:10.296
my side not do well. And I've seen one

02:07:10.320 --> 02:07:11.896
that's currently going on which is an

02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:14.456
extension of the former premier is

02:07:14.480 --> 02:07:17.480
frankly this is this is a dream that now

02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:19.496
that they think that they can somehow

02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:21.896
pull off and myth mythically all the

02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:23.575
money is going to come from somewhere

02:07:23.599 --> 02:07:25.655
people are going to want to build here.

02:07:25.679 --> 02:07:28.376
There are literally when when an

02:07:28.400 --> 02:07:31.400
agencies won't talk to each other what

02:07:31.440 --> 02:07:33.976
chance do our officers have of of their

02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:37.000
recommended

02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:47.575
on behalf of all of us in our area.

02:07:47.599 --> 02:07:49.896
Thank you. Um let's put the officer's

02:07:49.920 --> 02:07:51.976
recommendation to the vote. All those in

02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:54.215
favor, councelor Harkley, councelor Eri,

02:07:54.239 --> 02:07:55.896
councelor Macintosh, councelor Leigh,

02:07:55.920 --> 02:07:57.575
councelor Murray, and councelor Taylor

02:07:57.599 --> 02:08:00.456
Haynes. And the item is carried. Thank

02:08:00.480 --> 02:08:03.336
you.

02:08:03.360 --> 02:08:06.360
Moving on to item 12.5, submission to

02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:08.936
draft local heritage guidelines. There

02:08:08.960 --> 02:08:11.655
is a request to be heard.  oh, sorry.

02:08:11.679 --> 02:08:13.496
There was one written statement received

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.215
from Miss Monica Kurlin on behalf of the

02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:19.239
Bayside Heritage Group.  there's no

02:08:19.760 --> 02:08:21.256
requirement to read that written

02:08:21.280 --> 02:08:24.135
statement. Can I please have a mover for

02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:27.159
the item?

02:08:28.400 --> 02:08:30.215
Councelor Mintosh. And do I have a

02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:33.239
seconder? Councelor Murray. Thank you,

02:08:33.280 --> 02:08:35.496
Councelor Mintosh. Would you like to

02:08:35.520 --> 02:08:38.520
talk to the motion or to the item?

02:08:38.560 --> 02:08:40.456
Um thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Yes,

02:08:40.480 --> 02:08:42.376
I'm happy to support this submission and

02:08:42.400 --> 02:08:44.296
again thank the officers for their work

02:08:44.320 --> 02:08:47.320
in preparing this. Um the work does

02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:50.456
however highlight the importance of 

02:08:50.480 --> 02:08:52.215
getting on with the work of revisiting

02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:54.296
and updating Bayside's thematic

02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:56.615
environmental history which we actually

02:08:56.639 --> 02:08:59.175
voted on and supported in our March

02:08:59.199 --> 02:09:01.496
meeting. So really keen to see this

02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:04.520
particular um piece of work proceed um

02:09:04.719 --> 02:09:07.719
and noting the inconsistencies and the

02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:10.135
challenges that have been raised by the

02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:12.856
office's submission. Thank you.

02:09:12.880 --> 02:09:14.936
You councelor Mintosh. Um, councelor

02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:16.615
Murray, would you like to say a few

02:09:16.639 --> 02:09:18.296
words?

02:09:18.320 --> 02:09:21.175
Yes. Simply that I fully support um the

02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:22.856
submissions as drafted by the the

02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:25.816
officers. Um, I believe that um, local

02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:28.055
heritage is a very important issue as we

02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:30.296
go forward. Um, and it is to many people

02:09:30.320 --> 02:09:32.936
in our community. Thank you.

02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:34.776
Thank you, councelor Murray. Are there

02:09:34.800 --> 02:09:37.800
any other requests to speak?

02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:41.736
Thank you, councilors. Then I will put

02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:44.376
the um item to the vote. All those in

02:09:44.400 --> 02:09:46.376
favor, councelor Hockley, councelor

02:09:46.400 --> 02:09:48.135
Ellit, councelor Macintosh, councelor

02:09:48.159 --> 02:09:49.896
Leigh, councelor Murray, and councelor

02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:52.055
Taylor Haynes, and the item is carried.

02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:55.079
Thank you.

02:09:55.280 --> 02:09:58.280
12.6 naming proposal for Highett Village

02:09:58.480 --> 02:10:01.016
Green. , there were no requests to be

02:10:01.040 --> 02:10:03.655
heard. Do we have a mover? Councelor

02:10:03.679 --> 02:10:05.416
Hockley. Thank you. And a second,

02:10:05.440 --> 02:10:07.896
Councelor Murray. Councelor Hockley,

02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:10.376
would you like to speak?

02:10:10.400 --> 02:10:13.400
Of course I would.  deputy the um

02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:16.936
noting that we have the  chair of the

02:10:16.960 --> 02:10:19.960
high progress association  in tonight

02:10:20.159 --> 02:10:22.615
and  I do pay tribute to the work of

02:10:22.639 --> 02:10:25.639
the higher progress association  in um

02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:29.000
in looking after the interests   of

02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:33.000
Highett and  and Hampton East. Um we

02:10:33.599 --> 02:10:36.599
have a proposal to name the lawn which

02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:40.840
is  10,000 mters  in  in area um

02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:46.920
fronting onto um Graham Roading its way

02:10:48.400 --> 02:10:50.936
around towers

02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:53.256
um

02:10:53.280 --> 02:10:56.135
one and two I think 1 A and 2 A. I never

02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:57.896
quite know because there are 15 of the

02:10:57.920 --> 02:11:00.695
blighters eventually. And this um this

02:11:00.719 --> 02:11:03.256
is this is the bit of open space that

02:11:03.280 --> 02:11:06.055
makes um the height common tolerable.

02:11:06.079 --> 02:11:08.695
Now there were a number of names that 

02:11:08.719 --> 02:11:11.256
that could have been um could have been

02:11:11.280 --> 02:11:13.816
selected of course because it's Iverson

02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:16.840
Ward Iverson  reserve was one of them.

02:11:17.280 --> 02:11:19.575
Ruby May Iver Iverson is over on the

02:11:19.599 --> 02:11:21.496
wall there amongst all of the dead white

02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:24.376
males. Um but she was a Sandringham

02:11:24.400 --> 02:11:26.936
person and has really no connection. ,

02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:29.256
I would have liked to have considered 

02:11:29.280 --> 02:11:32.280
um that we that we have um that we might

02:11:34.480 --> 02:11:36.376
have considered Harry Hawker who lived

02:11:36.400 --> 02:11:39.400
at 100 who was born at 148 Wickham Road

02:11:39.840 --> 02:11:42.296
 Hampton East  given his

02:11:42.320 --> 02:11:44.776
extraordinary contributions to aviation,

02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:46.456
but something will come along at some

02:11:46.480 --> 02:11:49.480
stage that will carry his name.

02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:52.520
 and the Graham Road reserve whilst

02:11:52.560 --> 02:11:55.560
prosaic um  and  serviceable simply

02:11:57.040 --> 02:11:59.016
wasn't  exciting enough. The Village

02:11:59.040 --> 02:12:02.040
Green I think will be a place of um

02:12:03.520 --> 02:12:06.520
 events  of gatherings um and

02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:10.199
essentially of open space that is that

02:12:10.239 --> 02:12:13.239
relieves the um

02:12:13.679 --> 02:12:16.679
 the enormous um bulk and mass of the

02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:19.175
buildings that are to come.  it's a

02:12:19.199 --> 02:12:20.776
necessary thing, but I think the village

02:12:20.800 --> 02:12:23.496
green is is a perfectly fine name. The

02:12:23.520 --> 02:12:25.256
only thing I'd say is  that we want it

02:12:25.280 --> 02:12:28.280
to be remembered for  the the quality

02:12:29.440 --> 02:12:32.440
 of the lawn and the playgrounds and

02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:35.816
the plantings.  and there is the small

02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:37.256
matter of the slide that doesn't have a

02:12:37.280 --> 02:12:38.856
ladder.  I just couldn't resist

02:12:38.880 --> 02:12:41.016
getting that one in. Um but if we could

02:12:41.040 --> 02:12:42.776
look at that um before we open the

02:12:42.800 --> 02:12:44.055
village green and have a formal

02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:47.079
ceremony, that would be great.

02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:49.736
Thank you, Councelor Hogley. Councelor

02:12:49.760 --> 02:12:52.456
Murray, would you like to say any words?

02:12:52.480 --> 02:12:55.336
Oh, I'll just say a few. I'm English. We

02:12:55.360 --> 02:12:57.736
love a village green, , Christmas

02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:00.760
carols in the snow, , mold wine, and a

02:13:01.440 --> 02:13:04.440
jig around the maple at May time. So,

02:13:04.480 --> 02:13:06.456
um,

02:13:06.480 --> 02:13:09.480
um, anyway, , let's put the, , it

02:13:10.079 --> 02:13:13.079
Oh, councelor Erik. Yes, sorry.

02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.416
Thank you, councelor Elix. Councelor

02:13:25.440 --> 02:13:27.336
Hockley, would you you do have a right

02:13:27.360 --> 02:13:30.360
of reply? No. So, all those in

02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:33.496
all all

02:13:33.520 --> 02:13:35.976
those in favor of the item. Thank you.

02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:37.896
Councelor Hockley, Councelor Erilet,

02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:39.655
Councelor Mintosh, Councelor Leigh,

02:13:39.679 --> 02:13:41.976
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

02:13:42.000 --> 02:13:44.936
Haynes. And so it is carried.

02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.960
Moving on to item 12.7, Bay Trail

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duplication.

02:13:51.520 --> 02:13:54.520
There were no requests to be heard. Um

02:13:55.440 --> 02:13:58.440
do we have a mover or an alternative

02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:01.560
motion by any councelor?

02:14:03.599 --> 02:14:06.599
Councelor Murray.

02:14:06.639 --> 02:14:09.336
I'm happy to move the recommendation

02:14:09.360 --> 02:14:09.976
as as

02:14:10.000 --> 02:14:12.456
Thank you. Councelor Murray. Do we have

02:14:12.480 --> 02:14:15.480
a second? A second. Councelor McIntosh.

02:14:17.119 --> 02:14:18.776
Thank you.

02:14:18.800 --> 02:14:21.800
Murray, you can debate.

02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:28.776
 what I understand this is is not

02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:31.736
actually of course approving um the

02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:34.760
final build. It is um merely progressing

02:14:35.040 --> 02:14:38.040
to detailed design what um may be

02:14:38.320 --> 02:14:39.976
proposed here or the bay trial

02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:41.496
duplication.

02:14:41.520 --> 02:14:43.816
um when we can then obtain a quantity

02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:45.655
surveyor report and get a very clear

02:14:45.679 --> 02:14:47.896
idea of what we can build and how much

02:14:47.920 --> 02:14:50.920
it will cost. Um I think it's fair to

02:14:51.040 --> 02:14:53.336
say though that we have been presented

02:14:53.360 --> 02:14:55.175
with information that suggests there is

02:14:55.199 --> 02:14:57.896
an unacceptable risk um to the users of

02:14:57.920 --> 02:15:00.920
the shared pathway at this time and

02:15:01.040 --> 02:15:04.040
council has um very little option but to

02:15:04.079 --> 02:15:07.079
proceed in some way in some form um with

02:15:08.320 --> 02:15:10.376
a project such as this. The cost is

02:15:10.400 --> 02:15:12.695
though very significant. I think we we

02:15:12.719 --> 02:15:15.496
know it will be um not knowing the final

02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:18.055
figures, but at the very least $16

02:15:18.079 --> 02:15:21.079
million. Um I I fair to say this serves

02:15:22.320 --> 02:15:24.055
as a timely reminder that although we

02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.135
have an impressive cash reserve,

02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:27.816
something we hear about incessantly. Not

02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:29.175
only do we have a very large capital

02:15:29.199 --> 02:15:31.896
works project in the time line, but we

02:15:31.920 --> 02:15:33.896
will also be confronted with unexpected

02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:35.976
and prohibitively expensive projects

02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:38.695
like these, such as these. Um, as to the

02:15:38.719 --> 02:15:41.416
preferred design, um, I look forward to

02:15:41.440 --> 02:15:42.856
to hearing what the experts

02:15:42.880 --> 02:15:45.175
recommendation um, and simply note that

02:15:45.199 --> 02:15:47.575
I will be looking at cheaper that rather

02:15:47.599 --> 02:15:49.655
than more expensive,

02:15:49.679 --> 02:15:52.055
um, options.

02:15:52.079 --> 02:15:53.655
I don't think I'll say anything further

02:15:53.679 --> 02:15:55.496
at this time. Thank you.

02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:57.336
Thank you, Councelor Murray. Councelor

02:15:57.360 --> 02:15:59.655
Mintosh.

02:15:59.679 --> 02:16:02.296
Thank you. , look, we often speak with

02:16:02.320 --> 02:16:04.695
great pride about our 17 kilometers of

02:16:04.719 --> 02:16:07.016
coastline and beaches in Bayside. So,

02:16:07.040 --> 02:16:08.856
some of the activities most enjoyed by

02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:10.695
residents of all ages and abilities

02:16:10.719 --> 02:16:13.336
include walking and cycling along parts

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:16.360
or all of that 17 kilometers along our

02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:18.536
wellestablished paths that link up with

02:16:18.560 --> 02:16:20.856
those of our neighboring Kingston and

02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:23.336
Port Phillip municipalities. The section

02:16:23.360 --> 02:16:25.336
in the Bay Trail proposed for upgrading

02:16:25.360 --> 02:16:26.856
here from Middle Brighton Baths to

02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:29.016
Greenpoint is that last piece in the

02:16:29.040 --> 02:16:31.175
puzzle so to speak to be completed by

02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.415
council. I understand that the this has

02:16:33.439 --> 02:16:36.056
been long recognized as a possible risk

02:16:36.080 --> 02:16:38.216
given how narrow the existing path is

02:16:38.240 --> 02:16:40.776
here and noting that we do have  of

02:16:40.800 --> 02:16:42.535
course an everinccreasing population

02:16:42.559 --> 02:16:44.136
which will no doubt be accompanied by

02:16:44.160 --> 02:16:46.615
more traffic on Beach Road and therefore

02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:48.776
there is likely to be an increasing risk

02:16:48.800 --> 02:16:50.695
of traffic safety incidents with

02:16:50.719 --> 02:16:53.719
pedestrians and or cyclists. Um, I also

02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:55.655
understand that officers have been

02:16:55.679 --> 02:16:57.575
undertaking significant preparatory

02:16:57.599 --> 02:16:59.415
works on this section for a few years

02:16:59.439 --> 02:17:01.495
now, including seeking legal advice

02:17:01.519 --> 02:17:03.655
regarding council's obligations in

02:17:03.679 --> 02:17:06.679
addressing this as a potential risk. I

02:17:06.880 --> 02:17:08.856
am dismayed at the loss of vegetation

02:17:08.880 --> 02:17:10.455
that is proposed to accompany these

02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:12.216
works. Although given the limitations

02:17:12.240 --> 02:17:14.056
working around Beach Road and our lack

02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:16.455
of space to do otherwise, unless we

02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:19.479
create unless we create Sky Trail, um

02:17:19.599 --> 02:17:21.655
I'm not quite sure how we would get

02:17:21.679 --> 02:17:23.976
around this issue entirely. However, the

02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:25.736
longer we leave it, it seems the more

02:17:25.760 --> 02:17:28.136
expensive this project becomes. So, at

02:17:28.160 --> 02:17:29.896
this stage, I I do think we need to get

02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:32.375
on with it. Um but I absolutely agree

02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:34.936
that we need to explore opportunities to

02:17:34.960 --> 02:17:37.960
seek funding  from the state andor

02:17:38.319 --> 02:17:39.736
federal governments to help complete

02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:41.816
this project. Thank you.

02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:43.736
Thank you councelor Mintosh. 

02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:46.056
councelor Erlic.

02:17:46.080 --> 02:17:47.816
Yeah, thank you for that. Look, I I

02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:49.575
understand that it is a risk probably a

02:17:49.599 --> 02:17:51.176
greater risk than contracting Hendra

02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:54.200
virus. Um but that jeez but that said um

02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:56.615
if I can all draw your attention to page

02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:59.639
97.  there's a map here that shows

02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:02.936
Beach Road. That's Holay Beach. And

02:18:02.960 --> 02:18:05.016
there's this we it's been mentioned

02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:07.976
before there's a trail for a car that go

02:18:08.000 --> 02:18:10.856
runs parallel almost to Beach Road and

02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:13.575
go straight to the Scout Hall. And I

02:18:13.599 --> 02:18:16.599
wonder if that could be investigated as

02:18:17.040 --> 02:18:19.256
a potential alternative and you could

02:18:19.280 --> 02:18:21.575
maybe cut through and come back onto

02:18:21.599 --> 02:18:23.976
Beach Road potentially for a bike track.

02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:26.695
And I understand there's some um what do

02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:28.375
they call the pittens?

02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:31.399
Um mittens mittens or the you indigenous

02:18:32.000 --> 02:18:35.000
um mittens that could be perhaps you

02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.840
know a a feature. Are you proposing an

02:18:38.960 --> 02:18:41.495
alternative or because the preferred

02:18:41.519 --> 02:18:43.495
design solution

02:18:43.519 --> 02:18:45.655
it's about endorsement for this

02:18:45.679 --> 02:18:46.056
recommendation?

02:18:46.080 --> 02:18:47.335
I'm proposing that look this would be a

02:18:47.359 --> 02:18:48.535
lot cheaper that we at least just

02:18:48.559 --> 02:18:50.936
consider this first. I'm not saying that

02:18:50.960 --> 02:18:53.415
this will work but why not consider it

02:18:53.439 --> 02:18:55.176
would be a lot cheaper. You'd have no

02:18:55.200 --> 02:18:58.200
need for can lever maintenance.

02:19:00.719 --> 02:19:02.856
We can we please put councelor Erik's

02:19:02.880 --> 02:19:05.880
question to to Miss Coulson. Thank you.

02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:08.375
 through you chair. Um this option

02:19:08.399 --> 02:19:10.136
actually was considered at an earlier

02:19:10.160 --> 02:19:11.655
stage in the project because it is you

02:19:11.679 --> 02:19:13.335
know on the face of it quite a good good

02:19:13.359 --> 02:19:16.359
option. Um  unfortunately

02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:19.415
 the advice we've received from um a

02:19:19.439 --> 02:19:21.176
number of different sources is around if

02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:24.200
we separate the two paths too much um it

02:19:24.479 --> 02:19:27.335
will actually not mitigate the risks. Um

02:19:27.359 --> 02:19:29.096
and also there were some sort of safety

02:19:29.120 --> 02:19:31.575
issues associated with um pulling people

02:19:31.599 --> 02:19:33.256
through what is quite a sort of densely

02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:35.816
vegetated path. um and so it doesn't

02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:38.136
sort of comply from a sep. So at that

02:19:38.160 --> 02:19:40.375
stage earlier on it was discounted for

02:19:40.399 --> 02:19:43.399
those reasons.

02:19:43.599 --> 02:19:45.335
Thank you Miss Coulson. Would you like

02:19:45.359 --> 02:19:46.936
to continue Mr.

02:19:46.960 --> 02:19:48.295
The other thing council?

02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:51.256
Well no. Okay. Look if I can draw your

02:19:51.280 --> 02:19:54.280
attention to page 222.

02:19:55.439 --> 02:19:58.439
There's a picture. Look at this. That's

02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:01.479
the road. And look at the the beach

02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:03.176
boxes.

02:20:03.200 --> 02:20:04.536
Can you see the beach boxes there?

02:20:04.560 --> 02:20:06.375
Is this a question or are you continuing

02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:09.096
to Okay, thank you. Question of

02:20:09.120 --> 02:20:12.056
apologies. It's a question to an

02:20:12.080 --> 02:20:13.496
idea and I've discussed it with one of

02:20:13.520 --> 02:20:16.056
these peripheral beach box owners who

02:20:16.080 --> 02:20:18.056
thought it was a good idea to perhaps

02:20:18.080 --> 02:20:19.656
construct some more beach boxes. There's

02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:22.536
lots of spare land there to help fund

02:20:22.560 --> 02:20:25.560
this.

02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:29.399
Has that been considered, Miss Coulson?

02:20:30.160 --> 02:20:31.496
You can come back to me on that another

02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:32.696
time, but it's just a thought. It was

02:20:32.720 --> 02:20:33.576
just just a thought.

02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:35.335
 through chair, we can c we can

02:20:35.359 --> 02:20:36.856
certainly consider that as a funding

02:20:36.880 --> 02:20:38.936
option. I do know that there are, you

02:20:38.960 --> 02:20:40.536
know, potentially some sort of erosion

02:20:40.560 --> 02:20:42.216
issues associated with beach boxes in

02:20:42.240 --> 02:20:43.335
that issue, but we'll certainly take

02:20:43.359 --> 02:20:44.616
that on board.

02:20:44.640 --> 02:20:46.216
Councelor here.

02:20:46.240 --> 02:20:48.455
Thank you.

02:20:48.479 --> 02:20:48.856
Okay.

02:20:48.880 --> 02:20:49.335
Thank you.

02:20:49.359 --> 02:20:51.736
Do we have any other speakers to the

02:20:51.760 --> 02:20:54.760
item? Councelor Hogley.

02:20:59.760 --> 02:21:02.760
U yeah look I um

02:21:04.160 --> 02:21:05.736
well I have reservations about a number

02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:07.976
of things. One is um the cost

02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:10.696
potentially of doing this.  as it's

02:21:10.720 --> 02:21:12.776
pointed out the cheapest time to do it

02:21:12.800 --> 02:21:14.616
is now.

02:21:14.640 --> 02:21:17.256
Um but the the best outcome is not

02:21:17.280 --> 02:21:20.280
necessarily  the one that we are um

02:21:21.359 --> 02:21:24.359
looking at if we um if we don't consider

02:21:25.280 --> 02:21:28.280
some of the other um  issues and I'm

02:21:29.600 --> 02:21:32.600
curious to understand that if we have

02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:36.280
discounted one of the alternatives which

02:21:36.399 --> 02:21:38.936
may or may not be cheaper

02:21:38.960 --> 02:21:40.856
 on the basis of our own judgment but

02:21:40.880 --> 02:21:42.936
not put it out to the community that we

02:21:42.960 --> 02:21:45.256
may be missing an opportunity to come up

02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:47.335
with a better outcome that separates

02:21:47.359 --> 02:21:49.976
completely um bicycle traffic from foot

02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:53.000
traffic at an area where we acknowledge

02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:56.280
there is currently an issue. Um so I

02:21:56.800 --> 02:21:59.016
wonder if there might be support among

02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:02.040
fellow councilors for at the very least

02:22:02.240 --> 02:22:04.776
um through the process

02:22:04.800 --> 02:22:07.800
um of  costing the design solution and

02:22:08.640 --> 02:22:11.576
doing the work that we are um talking

02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:14.600
about um that we ensure that we 

02:22:15.920 --> 02:22:18.696
consider some of the other alternatives

02:22:18.720 --> 02:22:21.256
um or or talk about some of the other

02:22:21.280 --> 02:22:24.280
alternatives when we go out um in the in

02:22:24.720 --> 02:22:26.696
a project communic communication um

02:22:26.720 --> 02:22:29.096
space. Now um I'm thinking aloud

02:22:29.120 --> 02:22:31.016
obviously, but I'm just concerned that

02:22:31.040 --> 02:22:33.415
we're at a at a juncture where we're

02:22:33.439 --> 02:22:35.976
being asked to make a significant amount

02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:38.295
a significant decision about a very very

02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:41.096
significant piece of investment.

02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:44.120
Um where I frankly have to  advise you

02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:48.375
that there is no prospect of any of the

02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:50.455
current state or federal governments

02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:52.536
coming up with money.  it's possible

02:22:52.560 --> 02:22:54.536
that a future government um might, but

02:22:54.560 --> 02:22:57.415
we're on our own here.  and in the

02:22:57.439 --> 02:23:00.439
absence of any other source of funding,

02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:04.280
the um the reality is we've um we've got

02:23:04.560 --> 02:23:06.856
a design that as councelor Eric just

02:23:06.880 --> 02:23:09.096
indicated to me before is relatively

02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:11.176
expensive, is an engineered solution,

02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:13.016
will have significant maintenance costs

02:23:13.040 --> 02:23:16.040
down the track,  and is being favored

02:23:17.359 --> 02:23:20.359
against um alternatives that we are

02:23:20.880 --> 02:23:23.880
dismissing on the basis of maybe one or

02:23:24.240 --> 02:23:27.240
two um  experts in um 

02:23:32.319 --> 02:23:34.936
engine traffic engineering or pathway

02:23:34.960 --> 02:23:37.960
design that are not necessarily um

02:23:39.359 --> 02:23:41.816
either peer-reviewed, our favorite term

02:23:41.840 --> 02:23:44.840
of the of the year um or um or assessed

02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:49.319
against um  other

02:23:50.240 --> 02:23:53.240
 sorry or or um or validated by second

02:23:53.359 --> 02:23:55.335
or third opinions. So, I'm just a little

02:23:55.359 --> 02:23:58.359
bit concerned that this is a um

02:23:58.399 --> 02:24:01.256
this has been treated as a as a final um

02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:02.856
outcome and that we're marching towards

02:24:02.880 --> 02:24:04.696
a solution that is going to be wildly

02:24:04.720 --> 02:24:07.720
expensive and not necessarily the best.

02:24:08.640 --> 02:24:10.295
Thank you, Councelor Huckley. Councelor

02:24:10.319 --> 02:24:12.936
Leigh.

02:24:12.960 --> 02:24:15.960
Yes, I I too have some concerns.

02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:18.455
Firstly, you know, I'm I'm always amazed

02:24:18.479 --> 02:24:20.776
that it's easy for council to chop down

02:24:20.800 --> 02:24:23.335
150 trees, but when you're a resident

02:24:23.359 --> 02:24:25.736
trying to get a tree chopped down, um

02:24:25.760 --> 02:24:28.760
it's like World War World War to get it

02:24:28.800 --> 02:24:30.856
get it down or to get the off officers

02:24:30.880 --> 02:24:33.816
to um to actually be on sight of it.

02:24:33.840 --> 02:24:36.295
I've seen examples in this place where

02:24:36.319 --> 02:24:38.295
we've had officers reports about pulling

02:24:38.319 --> 02:24:41.319
trees down and them saying no in weird

02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:44.455
positions in someone's backyard that

02:24:44.479 --> 02:24:46.216
deserve to be pulled down as much as it

02:24:46.240 --> 02:24:48.455
might have been a good tree. So I I'm

02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:50.776
I'm not convinced that we should a be

02:24:50.800 --> 02:24:53.800
pulling down 150 trees. Secondly, I am

02:24:53.920 --> 02:24:56.920
totally opposed to the the ultimately to

02:24:57.439 --> 02:25:00.439
the  16 the 16 almost $17 million um

02:25:02.800 --> 02:25:05.576
prospect of this. I mean, and on top of

02:25:05.600 --> 02:25:08.600
that, if there's a dangerous section,

02:25:08.880 --> 02:25:11.016
let's fix the dangerous section where it

02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:14.040
is. And I agree with councelor Hockley.

02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:16.056
We've got Buckley's getting any money

02:25:16.080 --> 02:25:17.576
out of the federal or state government

02:25:17.600 --> 02:25:20.600
because they got the feds have got other

02:25:20.720 --> 02:25:22.295
more interested in submarines or god

02:25:22.319 --> 02:25:23.976
knows whatever else and the state is

02:25:24.000 --> 02:25:26.856
actually bankrupt and so we won't get

02:25:26.880 --> 02:25:29.176
any money out of them. So in my view,

02:25:29.200 --> 02:25:30.536
we've got to look for what is the

02:25:30.560 --> 02:25:33.560
safest. I understand the safest section

02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:36.375
that we have to do to actually make it

02:25:36.399 --> 02:25:39.399
safe for someone between a cyclist and

02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:42.216
the motorists and be done with it. I

02:25:42.240 --> 02:25:45.016
mean, I have to say and I'm, you know, I

02:25:45.040 --> 02:25:46.696
when I walk around door knockocking,

02:25:46.720 --> 02:25:48.136
people say to me, you know, why is it

02:25:48.160 --> 02:25:50.455
when I go up to Brighton, I see the

02:25:50.479 --> 02:25:53.016
streets as paved with gold compared to

02:25:53.040 --> 02:25:55.176
what goes on in Black Rock or some of

02:25:55.200 --> 02:25:57.016
the other places? So, I'm over some of

02:25:57.040 --> 02:25:59.256
this stuff. of the extensions and you

02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:01.335
know if you want one of the classic

02:26:01.359 --> 02:26:04.216
examples at the moment is you know they

02:26:04.240 --> 02:26:07.240
spent $30 million on a life-saving club

02:26:08.000 --> 02:26:10.696
 that had to include $4 million worth

02:26:10.720 --> 02:26:13.016
of pulling up soil because nobody look

02:26:13.040 --> 02:26:14.856
did it properly. So we are being asked

02:26:14.880 --> 02:26:16.776
to make judgments of these things. I

02:26:16.800 --> 02:26:18.056
know some of these things weren't the

02:26:18.080 --> 02:26:20.455
other weren't the existing offices, but

02:26:20.479 --> 02:26:22.536
you know, when you get a $9 million

02:26:22.560 --> 02:26:24.696
life-saving club in Black Rock and you

02:26:24.720 --> 02:26:27.720
get a $30 million one in in um in

02:26:27.760 --> 02:26:30.216
Brighton paid with gold almost from what

02:26:30.240 --> 02:26:32.136
I can see.

02:26:32.160 --> 02:26:33.976
Hey,

02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:36.216
but you're in land, so it's no problem.

02:26:36.240 --> 02:26:37.415
Don't worry about it. We'll give you

02:26:37.439 --> 02:26:40.136
some trees. But I guess my point in all

02:26:40.160 --> 02:26:42.856
of this is I I I understand we've got to

02:26:42.880 --> 02:26:44.616
do something where there's a section

02:26:44.640 --> 02:26:47.256
that is actually a risk to people when

02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:48.696
they're between a motorist and a

02:26:48.720 --> 02:26:50.856
cyclist. And I think we should do that.

02:26:50.880 --> 02:26:52.856
And I think we should be satisfied with

02:26:52.880 --> 02:26:55.496
doing that and that's what I will agree

02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:57.335
to. And as I said, I'd like to learn a

02:26:57.359 --> 02:26:59.976
lot more about why we need to pull down

02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:02.856
150 150 trees.

02:27:02.880 --> 02:27:05.880
Thank you, Councelor Leigh. Um, councelor

02:27:06.000 --> 02:27:07.896
Murray, just before you go to your right

02:27:07.920 --> 02:27:10.696
of reply, can I just um ask a couple?

02:27:10.720 --> 02:27:12.056
Sorry, it wasn't sort of a right of

02:27:12.080 --> 02:27:13.176
reply so much as

02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:15.256
a question

02:27:15.280 --> 02:27:18.280
response to or a proposal to perhaps

02:27:18.399 --> 02:27:21.176
amend the notice of motion, but I'm

02:27:21.200 --> 02:27:22.136
happy to speak.

02:27:22.160 --> 02:27:25.160
Okay. How do we appropriate?

02:27:31.200 --> 02:27:34.200
Would you like to propose um the the

02:27:34.560 --> 02:27:37.176
words the amendment to this?

02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:39.656
I'm not entirely sure what should we

02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:42.295
should um propose. I just feel that we

02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:44.455
need some forward momentum here to cover

02:27:44.479 --> 02:27:46.856
ourselves in terms of risk which I think

02:27:46.880 --> 02:27:49.880
is critical. Um I'm more than happy to

02:27:51.359 --> 02:27:54.359
not um express a preferred design. um

02:27:56.800 --> 02:27:59.800
whether we move to um putting this off

02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:01.976
to I don't know further briefings

02:28:02.000 --> 02:28:05.000
whether we can be briefed by some of

02:28:05.120 --> 02:28:07.576
these experts that have um already

02:28:07.600 --> 02:28:09.736
obviously liazed with council or advised

02:28:09.760 --> 02:28:12.760
council about specific um plans whether

02:28:12.800 --> 02:28:15.800
we can be ourselves briefed as to why um

02:28:16.080 --> 02:28:18.936
we haven't gone for these alternatives

02:28:18.960 --> 02:28:21.960
um is that a possibility or appropriate

02:28:28.160 --> 02:28:29.736
response.

02:28:29.760 --> 02:28:32.056
Um, it's either a deferral or seek a

02:28:32.080 --> 02:28:34.455
response from officers. Can I just ask

02:28:34.479 --> 02:28:37.415
be before we continue the discussion

02:28:37.439 --> 02:28:40.439
just of the officers when is the soil

02:28:40.880 --> 02:28:43.335
testing done? Councelor Leigh's raised an

02:28:43.359 --> 02:28:46.295
important point there.

02:28:46.319 --> 02:28:48.696
At what stage is that done?

02:28:48.720 --> 02:28:49.976
, through your chair, there's already

02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:52.136
been some preliminary soil testing done

02:28:52.160 --> 02:28:55.096
along the site. Um, as I understand it,

02:28:55.120 --> 02:28:56.455
, I couldn't tell you what the results

02:28:56.479 --> 02:28:58.375
are, but there'll be more to come. But

02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:00.455
we do that as part of our preliminary

02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:01.976
process. It doesn't matter, of course.

02:29:02.000 --> 02:29:04.375
Okay. Thank you. I'll just seek um some

02:29:04.399 --> 02:29:07.399
guidance as to how we

02:29:16.960 --> 02:29:18.455
Madame Deputy Mayor, perhaps we could

02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:20.616
just have a five minute recess to

02:29:20.640 --> 02:29:21.335
discuss these.

02:29:21.359 --> 02:29:23.096
Yes. Um, do I have a mover for

02:29:23.120 --> 02:29:25.335
adjournment? So, councelor Hockley and a

02:29:25.359 --> 02:29:28.136
seconder, Councelor Erlict. Um, all

02:29:28.160 --> 02:29:29.976
those in favor, councelor Hockley,

02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:31.736
councelor Eric, councelor Macintosh,

02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:33.576
councelor Leigh, and councelor Murray and

02:29:33.600 --> 02:29:35.816
councelor Taylor Haynes. And so moved. 5

02:29:35.840 --> 02:29:38.295
minutes adjournment.

02:29:38.319 --> 02:29:40.696
I need a mover to reconvene, please, in

02:29:40.720 --> 02:29:43.496
a second. Move councelor Hockley, second

02:29:43.520 --> 02:29:45.415
councelor Erlic. All those in favor,

02:29:45.439 --> 02:29:47.415
councelor Hockley, councelor Eri,

02:29:47.439 --> 02:29:49.096
councelor Macintosh, councelor Leigh,

02:29:49.120 --> 02:29:51.016
councelor Murray, and councelor Taylor

02:29:51.040 --> 02:29:53.736
Haynes. And so it is carried.  my

02:29:53.760 --> 02:29:56.455
understanding is we now have appetite to

02:29:56.479 --> 02:29:58.856
defer this item.

02:29:58.880 --> 02:30:01.880
Um thank you um madame deputy Mayor. Um

02:30:02.240 --> 02:30:04.616
I seek to withdraw um the notice of

02:30:04.640 --> 02:30:05.256
motion.

02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:07.656
Okay. Um do we need a seconder?

02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:09.496
Just confirm.

02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:12.216
The seconder is councelor McIntosh. of

02:30:12.240 --> 02:30:14.056
just confirming that you're happy with

02:30:14.080 --> 02:30:16.936
that. Okay, I'm all those in favor.

02:30:16.960 --> 02:30:18.696
Councelor Hogley can No, we don't we

02:30:18.720 --> 02:30:19.096
don't need

02:30:19.120 --> 02:30:21.576
Okay, don't need to do it.

02:30:21.600 --> 02:30:23.096
Is there a motion for deferral?

02:30:23.120 --> 02:30:26.120
Madam Deputy Mayor, I um I move that we

02:30:26.319 --> 02:30:29.256
defer this  item to a future  for

02:30:29.280 --> 02:30:30.776
consideration at a future meeting.

02:30:30.800 --> 02:30:33.736
Thank you. Is there a second? Councelor

02:30:33.760 --> 02:30:36.375
Macintosh. All those in favor, councelor

02:30:36.399 --> 02:30:38.056
Hockley, councelor Elliot, councelor

02:30:38.080 --> 02:30:39.415
Macintosh.

02:30:39.439 --> 02:30:41.335
Oh, councelor Macintosh, you can't vote.

02:30:41.359 --> 02:30:43.256
and councelor Leigh and councelor Taylor

02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:46.280
H needther other than councelor Murray

02:30:47.120 --> 02:30:48.056
or councel

02:30:48.080 --> 02:30:51.080
okay start again okay

02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:54.840
let's start again councelor

02:30:55.040 --> 02:30:55.576
gentlemen

02:30:55.600 --> 02:30:58.375
okay councelor Hockley we have you as

02:30:58.399 --> 02:31:01.399
moving and councelor Erlict is second in

02:31:03.680 --> 02:31:06.680
yeah to defer and now who can vote so we

02:31:09.439 --> 02:31:11.335
put it to the vote thank you um

02:31:11.359 --> 02:31:13.976
councelor Hockley, councelor, councelor

02:31:14.000 --> 02:31:17.000
Macintosh, councelor

02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:19.976
Leigh and councelor Murray and councelor

02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:22.136
Taylor Haynes and so it is deferred.

02:31:22.160 --> 02:31:24.536
Thank you. Carried to the for deferral.

02:31:24.560 --> 02:31:27.560
Thank you.

02:31:30.720 --> 02:31:33.335
Item 12.8 arts culture and library

02:31:33.359 --> 02:31:36.359
strategy  2023 to 27 year 2 progress

02:31:37.760 --> 02:31:39.976
report. There were no requests to be

02:31:40.000 --> 02:31:42.216
heard. Can I have a mover, please?

02:31:42.240 --> 02:31:43.976
Councelor Hockley, can I have a

02:31:44.000 --> 02:31:47.000
seconder? Councelor Mintosh. Councelor

02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:50.280
Hockley, would you like to debate?

02:31:50.479 --> 02:31:51.496
I don't think there's anything to

02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:53.736
debate. , Madam Deputy Mayor, I think

02:31:53.760 --> 02:31:56.536
um the arts  arts, culture, and

02:31:56.560 --> 02:31:59.016
libraries  team do a wonderful job in

02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:00.536
Bayside. We have some of the best

02:32:00.560 --> 02:32:03.560
libraries  in the state. as attested

02:32:04.080 --> 02:32:07.080
to my um my VCE student daughter who um

02:32:08.479 --> 02:32:10.136
I think was probably even downstairs

02:32:10.160 --> 02:32:12.455
tonight um using the wonderful

02:32:12.479 --> 02:32:15.479
facilities um I can't wait personally

02:32:15.520 --> 02:32:16.936
until there is another one of our

02:32:16.960 --> 02:32:19.256
libraries in the suburb of Highett but

02:32:19.280 --> 02:32:22.280
apart from that um we have managed as an

02:32:22.640 --> 02:32:25.496
organization as a council to deliver

02:32:25.520 --> 02:32:27.256
programs to an extraordinary number of

02:32:27.280 --> 02:32:30.136
people  of of fantastic quality and it

02:32:30.160 --> 02:32:33.160
is a credit to  our teams that those

02:32:33.520 --> 02:32:36.295
programs are inclusive, appropriate, um

02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:38.136
very well regarded and I think an

02:32:38.160 --> 02:32:40.616
example for others to follow. So, 

02:32:40.640 --> 02:32:43.256
well done and I commend the um the

02:32:43.280 --> 02:32:45.736
progress report to council.

02:32:45.760 --> 02:32:47.816
Thank you, Councelor Mintosh. Would you

02:32:47.840 --> 02:32:50.840
like to say a few words?

02:32:50.880 --> 02:32:53.496
 just a couple of words. Thank you, 

02:32:53.520 --> 02:32:55.656
councelor Hockley as well. Um I would

02:32:55.680 --> 02:32:57.976
also like to commend the team on the

02:32:58.000 --> 02:32:59.415
activities and the accomplishments

02:32:59.439 --> 02:33:02.056
outlined in the year 2 progress report.

02:33:02.080 --> 02:33:04.455
Um I absolutely love and use really well

02:33:04.479 --> 02:33:06.936
our library facilities in Bayside. Um

02:33:06.960 --> 02:33:09.256
having always been a member and I've

02:33:09.280 --> 02:33:11.096
enjoyed the art installations through

02:33:11.120 --> 02:33:12.696
the year too among other things

02:33:12.720 --> 02:33:15.335
including the recent neon nights.  and

02:33:15.359 --> 02:33:17.976
also having attended the Balilla Corral

02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:21.000
um  event late last year at Balilla

02:33:21.280 --> 02:33:23.415
Mansion in Brighton. Um this was an

02:33:23.439 --> 02:33:25.496
absolute joy for the community to see

02:33:25.520 --> 02:33:27.896
everyone's smiling faces there. So many

02:33:27.920 --> 02:33:30.136
residents. It was a fabulous event and

02:33:30.160 --> 02:33:32.136
wish to congratulate the team on their

02:33:32.160 --> 02:33:33.096
work. Thank you.

02:33:33.120 --> 02:33:35.656
Thank you, Councelor Mintosh. Any other

02:33:35.680 --> 02:33:37.096
counselors to speak to the item?

02:33:37.120 --> 02:33:38.936
Councelor Murray. Thank you.

02:33:38.960 --> 02:33:41.256
Just very briefly, I would just like to

02:33:41.280 --> 02:33:43.016
state that the council team involved

02:33:43.040 --> 02:33:44.536
deserve recognition and praise for the

02:33:44.560 --> 02:33:46.455
impressive work that um is being done in

02:33:46.479 --> 02:33:48.856
this space. Um I was a little

02:33:48.880 --> 02:33:51.816
disappointed to note um that Hampton

02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:53.576
Library is closed on Sundays and

02:33:53.600 --> 02:33:55.335
Wednesdays and only open three hours on

02:33:55.359 --> 02:33:57.976
a Saturday. And um I look forward to

02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:00.936
this situation being um improved if not

02:34:00.960 --> 02:34:02.696
rectified either through the creation of

02:34:02.720 --> 02:34:04.536
the Hampton Hub or a renovation of the

02:34:04.560 --> 02:34:07.176
library because our local community so

02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:08.856
desperately needs and deserves this

02:34:08.880 --> 02:34:11.415
service. It is more than just a physical

02:34:11.439 --> 02:34:12.616
building where you go in and borrow

02:34:12.640 --> 02:34:15.640
books. It is so much more. Um and I

02:34:15.760 --> 02:34:17.176
think that is well recognized and

02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:19.656
appreciated. Thank you.

02:34:19.680 --> 02:34:21.576
Thank you. Are there any other requests

02:34:21.600 --> 02:34:24.136
to speak? Councelor Erlect. Oh, thank

02:34:24.160 --> 02:34:27.096
you. Um, Madame Deputy Mayor, look, I

02:34:27.120 --> 02:34:28.536
just like to concur with everything

02:34:28.560 --> 02:34:30.216
that's been said. I think it's it's been

02:34:30.240 --> 02:34:31.656
terrific work that's gone into it. I

02:34:31.680 --> 02:34:33.016
just have to tell you a story. So, this

02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:35.736
person went into went into one of the

02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:37.736
local libraries recently and  went to

02:34:37.760 --> 02:34:39.976
the librarian's desk and said, "Oh, hi

02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:41.335
ma'am. Could I have a pie and coke?

02:34:41.359 --> 02:34:43.335
Thanks." Librarian looked at her and

02:34:43.359 --> 02:34:45.415
said, "Ma'am, you're in a library. It's

02:34:45.439 --> 02:34:47.576
a library." She said, "Sorry, could I

02:34:47.600 --> 02:34:49.736
have a pie and coke?" That's all.

02:34:49.760 --> 02:34:52.455
Very ghost counselors.

02:34:52.479 --> 02:34:55.415
, are there any other requests to

02:34:55.439 --> 02:34:57.335
speak?

02:34:57.359 --> 02:34:59.576
, councelor Hockley, would you like to

02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:02.295
exercise your right of reply by way of a

02:35:02.319 --> 02:35:03.736
joke?

02:35:03.760 --> 02:35:05.736
No. No, I would not. Thank you.

02:35:05.760 --> 02:35:06.216
Okay.

02:35:06.240 --> 02:35:07.736
Thank you.

02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:09.415
Can I put the recommendation to the

02:35:09.439 --> 02:35:11.736
vote? All those in favor, councelor

02:35:11.760 --> 02:35:13.415
Hockley, councelor Ellit, councelor

02:35:13.439 --> 02:35:15.096
Macintosh, councelor Leigh, councelor

02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:16.856
Murray, councelor Taylor Haynes. And so

02:35:16.880 --> 02:35:19.176
it is carried.

02:35:19.200 --> 02:35:22.056
Item 12.9, Health and Inclusion Plan

02:35:22.080 --> 02:35:25.080
2025 to 29. There were no requests to be

02:35:25.680 --> 02:35:28.680
heard. Can I please have a mover?

02:35:29.120 --> 02:35:31.736
Councelor Mintosh and a seconder,

02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:34.375
please.

02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:37.399
Councilor's Councelor Murray.

02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:39.496
Councelor Mintosh, would you like to

02:35:39.520 --> 02:35:42.375
speak to the motion?

02:35:42.399 --> 02:35:44.136
Thank you, Madame Deputy Mayor. Look,

02:35:44.160 --> 02:35:46.936
not so much really to  debate as to

02:35:46.960 --> 02:35:49.415
acknowledge this is an enormous piece of

02:35:49.439 --> 02:35:51.976
work. Council's um municipality health

02:35:52.000 --> 02:35:53.976
and inclusion plan for the next four

02:35:54.000 --> 02:35:56.136
years. This is a really significant and

02:35:56.160 --> 02:35:58.375
broad-reaching piece of work and noting

02:35:58.399 --> 02:36:00.455
that the plan now includes works that

02:36:00.479 --> 02:36:02.136
were formally included in separate

02:36:02.160 --> 02:36:04.375
reports in terms of disability access

02:36:04.399 --> 02:36:06.375
and inclusion and also the

02:36:06.399 --> 02:36:09.256
reconciliation action plans. Um, as

02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:10.936
someone who's worked in health over many

02:36:10.960 --> 02:36:12.696
years, I'm really pleased to see the

02:36:12.720 --> 02:36:14.776
effort and the detailed consultation and

02:36:14.800 --> 02:36:17.736
data that has gone into this. Um, just a

02:36:17.760 --> 02:36:20.760
couple of items that um, I'm keen to to

02:36:21.439 --> 02:36:24.136
pull out in this. Um, so firstly, I I

02:36:24.160 --> 02:36:26.295
would add that with my hat as chair of

02:36:26.319 --> 02:36:27.896
the disability access and inclusion

02:36:27.920 --> 02:36:29.976
advisory committee, um, the committee

02:36:30.000 --> 02:36:32.056
members have expressed their support for

02:36:32.080 --> 02:36:34.375
council's work , in the disability

02:36:34.399 --> 02:36:36.616
access area and applauded progress in a

02:36:36.640 --> 02:36:38.216
number of areas. Although there does

02:36:38.240 --> 02:36:40.696
remain of course much to be done in that

02:36:40.720 --> 02:36:43.096
regard. I do note that we still see that

02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:44.536
there are poorer outcomes and

02:36:44.560 --> 02:36:46.936
experiences with respect to inclusion

02:36:46.960 --> 02:36:48.936
and social isolation for those in the

02:36:48.960 --> 02:36:50.696
community with a disability. It is

02:36:50.720 --> 02:36:52.776
imperative that we continue to improve

02:36:52.800 --> 02:36:54.375
on this, including through more

02:36:54.399 --> 02:36:56.856
accessible and inclusive public open

02:36:56.880 --> 02:36:59.335
spaces, our built environment, our

02:36:59.359 --> 02:37:01.576
public toilet facilities, and also work

02:37:01.600 --> 02:37:03.176
with local businesses to improve

02:37:03.200 --> 02:37:05.256
accessibility, including through uptake

02:37:05.280 --> 02:37:07.096
of council's new grants program for

02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:08.776
local businesses to improve

02:37:08.800 --> 02:37:11.576
accessibility. Um, we do read again here

02:37:11.600 --> 02:37:13.576
of our older demographic of residents

02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:15.176
and the need to support their health and

02:37:15.200 --> 02:37:17.176
well-being. I'm guess second guessing

02:37:17.200 --> 02:37:19.016
that our Bayside Seniors Action Group

02:37:19.040 --> 02:37:21.016
would want to include a note on how

02:37:21.040 --> 02:37:23.096
welcome a warm water pool would be to

02:37:23.120 --> 02:37:25.096
support this work and that we we haven't

02:37:25.120 --> 02:37:27.576
forgotten we haven't forgotten this. ,

02:37:27.600 --> 02:37:29.415
one of the other items that I'd like to

02:37:29.439 --> 02:37:32.375
just briefly touch on in terms of those

02:37:32.399 --> 02:37:34.136
10 priority areas that come from the

02:37:34.160 --> 02:37:36.216
Victorian health and well-being plan,

02:37:36.240 --> 02:37:37.656
including the climate and health

02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:40.295
impacts, , noting the impacts of

02:37:40.319 --> 02:37:42.616
increasing heat health risks and other

02:37:42.640 --> 02:37:44.616
extreme weather risks, infectious

02:37:44.640 --> 02:37:46.536
disease risks, including vectorbor

02:37:46.560 --> 02:37:48.455
diseases like Ross River virus, Japanese

02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:51.335
eneitis, and more. And one other item

02:37:51.359 --> 02:37:53.016
just to touch on too is that lo

02:37:53.040 --> 02:37:54.936
council's local health survey found

02:37:54.960 --> 02:37:57.176
again significant asthma rates in

02:37:57.200 --> 02:37:58.936
Bayside and this is consistent with what

02:37:58.960 --> 02:38:00.856
we actually see across the country where

02:38:00.880 --> 02:38:02.936
one in nine people suffer from asthma

02:38:02.960 --> 02:38:05.016
which is one of the highest rates in the

02:38:05.040 --> 02:38:07.496
world. Air pollution from various

02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:09.415
sources including vehicle tailpipe

02:38:09.439 --> 02:38:11.576
emissions and through the wintertime the

02:38:11.600 --> 02:38:13.656
use of wood burning heaters and fire

02:38:13.680 --> 02:38:16.216
pits contributes to exacerbating this

02:38:16.240 --> 02:38:18.056
condition and at times quite

02:38:18.080 --> 02:38:20.776
significantly for some residents. We

02:38:20.800 --> 02:38:22.936
cannot continue to look away from this

02:38:22.960 --> 02:38:25.016
public health risk noting from

02:38:25.040 --> 02:38:27.016
specialist respiratory physicians that

02:38:27.040 --> 02:38:30.040
there is no safe level of air pollution.

02:38:30.240 --> 02:38:31.896
So we really need to look seriously at

02:38:31.920 --> 02:38:34.136
how we curb this as an issue and there

02:38:34.160 --> 02:38:35.736
has been work from the state in this

02:38:35.760 --> 02:38:37.736
regard. So just noting the state

02:38:37.760 --> 02:38:39.736
government's inquiry of a few years ago

02:38:39.760 --> 02:38:41.576
now looking at the impact of air

02:38:41.600 --> 02:38:43.576
pollution on human health. So I look

02:38:43.600 --> 02:38:46.056
forward to seeing  the outcomes or

02:38:46.080 --> 02:38:47.976
response to that inquiry from both the

02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:50.056
state government and what we can do to

02:38:50.080 --> 02:38:51.976
support that work to reduce air

02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:53.816
pollution in Bayside and its impact on

02:38:53.840 --> 02:38:55.736
our local residents. Thank you. I'm

02:38:55.760 --> 02:38:57.496
happy to endorse council's plan and I

02:38:57.520 --> 02:38:58.616
really look forward to seeing the

02:38:58.640 --> 02:39:00.136
progress. Thank you.

02:39:00.160 --> 02:39:02.375
Thank you. Councelor Murray, would you

02:39:02.399 --> 02:39:04.375
like to speak?

02:39:04.399 --> 02:39:06.856
I think um with all the the um remarks

02:39:06.880 --> 02:39:08.856
that have just been made, um a huge

02:39:08.880 --> 02:39:10.136
amount of work has gone into the

02:39:10.160 --> 02:39:11.976
formulation of this plan and I commend

02:39:12.000 --> 02:39:14.295
the officers on this. Um there is such

02:39:14.319 --> 02:39:16.936
serious need in our um community. 

02:39:16.960 --> 02:39:18.136
there's such serious need in our

02:39:18.160 --> 02:39:20.136
community. Um and council can and should

02:39:20.160 --> 02:39:21.976
stand as a leader in this area,

02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:23.976
partnering of course with all our local

02:39:24.000 --> 02:39:25.816
um community organizations and other

02:39:25.840 --> 02:39:27.496
partners in delivering the services that

02:39:27.520 --> 02:39:30.520
we do. um these five goals and five

02:39:30.560 --> 02:39:33.096
strategic objectives that are outlined

02:39:33.120 --> 02:39:36.120
um here um are commendable and um are so

02:39:36.479 --> 02:39:39.016
important to um the Bayside community.

02:39:39.040 --> 02:39:40.856
Thank you.

02:39:40.880 --> 02:39:43.736
Thank you, Councelor Hockley.

02:39:43.760 --> 02:39:45.176
Thanks, Madam Deputy Mayor. There are

02:39:45.200 --> 02:39:48.200
two um two areas that I just want to um

02:39:48.960 --> 02:39:51.960
draw attention to, council colleagues 

02:39:52.240 --> 02:39:54.616
and others um and officers in particular

02:39:54.640 --> 02:39:56.776
to in in the report. and I think the the

02:39:56.800 --> 02:39:59.800
the concrete real world issues that we

02:39:59.920 --> 02:40:02.216
will be dealing with throughout the

02:40:02.240 --> 02:40:03.736
course of  the remainder of this

02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:06.760
council term and beyond. Um the first of

02:40:07.680 --> 02:40:10.680
those is social housing. Um

02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:13.656
it is  it is odd to say this but in

02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:15.656
fact the city of Bayside has more than

02:40:15.680 --> 02:40:17.976
twice almost twice as much social

02:40:18.000 --> 02:40:19.496
housing as the city of Kingston next

02:40:19.520 --> 02:40:21.896
door whereas I'm sure the perception

02:40:21.920 --> 02:40:23.656
among many people would be quite the

02:40:23.680 --> 02:40:26.375
opposite. In fact, east of Bluff Road,

02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:29.399
the proportion of social housing um 

02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:32.920
is around  is in excess of 10% of all

02:40:33.359 --> 02:40:35.256
dwellings are social house housing

02:40:35.280 --> 02:40:38.280
dwellings in Hampton East and Highett and

02:40:38.800 --> 02:40:41.800
with um I think around 6 or 700

02:40:43.200 --> 02:40:45.176
additional social housing dwellings

02:40:45.200 --> 02:40:47.176
currently under construction nearing

02:40:47.200 --> 02:40:50.056
completion  in Hampton East particular

02:40:50.080 --> 02:40:52.696
in particular that proportion

02:40:52.720 --> 02:40:55.256
east of Bluff road  will climb to

02:40:55.280 --> 02:40:58.280
almost 20% of all dwellings  in  the

02:40:59.520 --> 02:41:02.056
eastern side of the city of Bayside east

02:41:02.080 --> 02:41:04.856
of Bluff Road. That comes with all sorts

02:41:04.880 --> 02:41:07.880
of challenges for the community

02:41:08.800 --> 02:41:11.256
um the tenants themselves for Homes

02:41:11.280 --> 02:41:13.096
Victoria and the community housing

02:41:13.120 --> 02:41:16.120
providers who will be dealing with um

02:41:16.800 --> 02:41:19.800
very large scale um tenency 

02:41:20.080 --> 02:41:23.080
management issues as well as um the

02:41:23.200 --> 02:41:25.176
wraparound services that are required in

02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:27.576
any successful social housing context

02:41:27.600 --> 02:41:29.736
whether it be community housing provided

02:41:29.760 --> 02:41:32.760
or homes Victoria delivered.  so I

02:41:32.800 --> 02:41:34.216
just want to flag that as part of this

02:41:34.240 --> 02:41:37.240
policy, as part of this plan,  we

02:41:37.600 --> 02:41:40.600
would be remiss to not um make sure that

02:41:41.040 --> 02:41:42.696
there was an appropriate emphasis on the

02:41:42.720 --> 02:41:45.256
responsibilities that sit with council

02:41:45.280 --> 02:41:47.096
and to a to a certain degree the

02:41:47.120 --> 02:41:48.536
responsibilities that are dumped on

02:41:48.560 --> 02:41:51.560
council um for ensuring the health,

02:41:51.840 --> 02:41:54.840
well-being, safety, security  and

02:41:55.439 --> 02:41:58.375
livability of our suburbs.  as the

02:41:58.399 --> 02:42:00.936
proportion of social housing dwellings

02:42:00.960 --> 02:42:03.960
um climbs beyond um I think any

02:42:04.240 --> 02:42:05.976
expectation that most of  the

02:42:06.000 --> 02:42:08.295
residents in my area um have. They know

02:42:08.319 --> 02:42:09.896
that the Fox Dunley estate is there.

02:42:09.920 --> 02:42:11.656
They know that Bluff Road is there. What

02:42:11.680 --> 02:42:13.335
they don't realize is that in fact there

02:42:13.359 --> 02:42:16.056
are salt and pepper

02:42:16.080 --> 02:42:18.776
outposts of social housing um all

02:42:18.800 --> 02:42:20.856
through Hampton East and height in

02:42:20.880 --> 02:42:21.896
addition to the big ones that are

02:42:21.920 --> 02:42:23.496
currently under construction. The second

02:42:23.520 --> 02:42:24.936
thing I just want to point out, of

02:42:24.960 --> 02:42:27.016
course, is that in this year's budget,

02:42:27.040 --> 02:42:29.976
we allocated a million half dollars to

02:42:30.000 --> 02:42:31.656
um basis

02:42:31.680 --> 02:42:34.216
um as a as a gesture by council to

02:42:34.240 --> 02:42:36.536
provide them with the incentive

02:42:36.560 --> 02:42:39.560
 and the motivation to develop a plan

02:42:40.560 --> 02:42:43.415
for  potentially relocation, but

02:42:43.439 --> 02:42:45.816
certainly for being able to have a set

02:42:45.840 --> 02:42:48.536
of premises that was fit for purpose for

02:42:48.560 --> 02:42:51.176
the enormous scale

02:42:51.200 --> 02:42:53.176
 of services that they render. to the

02:42:53.200 --> 02:42:56.200
community as the only  emergency food

02:42:56.479 --> 02:42:58.936
emergency services, emergency counseling

02:42:58.960 --> 02:43:00.616
provider  in the whole city of

02:43:00.640 --> 02:43:02.375
Bayside. They're a wraparound service in

02:43:02.399 --> 02:43:04.455
their own right. They do an amazing job

02:43:04.479 --> 02:43:07.479
and as part of the delivery of services

02:43:08.080 --> 02:43:11.080
within the context of this health and um

02:43:11.120 --> 02:43:14.120
health and inclusion plan form um  an

02:43:14.880 --> 02:43:17.880
incredibly important um foundational um

02:43:18.880 --> 02:43:21.335
support  and service provider within

02:43:21.359 --> 02:43:23.176
the context of this council and and I'd

02:43:23.200 --> 02:43:24.375
like to make sure that they are not

02:43:24.399 --> 02:43:26.856
forgotten um by the officers which I

02:43:26.880 --> 02:43:28.696
know they're not but also by councilors

02:43:28.720 --> 02:43:31.016
and members of the public who  for

02:43:31.040 --> 02:43:33.256
whom the term basis is often

02:43:33.280 --> 02:43:35.736
a bit of a mystery. , and in fact, I

02:43:35.760 --> 02:43:37.016
know there are counselors sitting around

02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:38.295
this table here who haven't even been

02:43:38.319 --> 02:43:40.056
there yet. We we'll seek to rectify that

02:43:40.080 --> 02:43:43.080
in the coming weeks and months. Thanks.

02:43:43.760 --> 02:43:46.295
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Um, are

02:43:46.319 --> 02:43:49.319
there any other speakers to the item?

02:43:50.240 --> 02:43:51.656
Councelor Erlict.

02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:53.096
Look, just very briefly, I'd really like

02:43:53.120 --> 02:43:54.696
to acknowledge the hard work from the

02:43:54.720 --> 02:43:56.375
officers that has gone into this report.

02:43:56.399 --> 02:43:59.399
It's just fabulous. And thank you.

02:44:00.319 --> 02:44:02.936
Thank you, Councelor Eric. I I also

02:44:02.960 --> 02:44:05.816
concur. An immense amount of work's gone

02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:08.840
into into this  strategic plan. 

02:44:10.319 --> 02:44:12.936
well done officers and  councelor

02:44:12.960 --> 02:44:15.656
Hockley. I am due to go out to bases in

02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:18.455
a few weeks time so I can let other

02:44:18.479 --> 02:44:20.216
counselors know what that date and time

02:44:20.240 --> 02:44:22.776
is and you're welcome to join as well.

02:44:22.800 --> 02:44:25.496
Um councelor Macintosh, you have a right

02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:27.976
of reply, would you? Okay. So let's put

02:44:28.000 --> 02:44:29.656
the motion to the vote. All those in

02:44:29.680 --> 02:44:31.656
favor, councelor Hockley, councelor

02:44:31.680 --> 02:44:33.576
Erilet, councelor McIntosh, councelor

02:44:33.600 --> 02:44:35.496
Leigh, councelor Murray, and councelor

02:44:35.520 --> 02:44:38.520
Taylor Haynes. And so it is carried.

02:44:40.479 --> 02:44:43.479
Item 12.10, councelor expenses,

02:44:43.760 --> 02:44:45.176
reimbursement, support, and

02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:47.656
accountability policy. There were no

02:44:47.680 --> 02:44:50.136
requests to be heard. , can I have a

02:44:50.160 --> 02:44:52.536
mover, please? Councelor Hockley. And a

02:44:52.560 --> 02:44:55.176
second, Councelor Mintosh. Councelor

02:44:55.200 --> 02:44:57.816
Hockley, would you like to talk to the

02:44:57.840 --> 02:44:59.255
debate?

02:44:59.279 --> 02:45:01.896
Okay. Thank you, Councelor Mintosh. No.

02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:04.136
Any other counselors like to talk to the

02:45:04.160 --> 02:45:07.160
item?

02:45:07.439 --> 02:45:09.816
Let's put the motion to to the vote. All

02:45:09.840 --> 02:45:12.216
those in favor? Councelor Hockley,

02:45:12.240 --> 02:45:15.240
Councelor Ell,

02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:18.616
Councelor Mintosh, Councelor Leigh,

02:45:18.640 --> 02:45:20.375
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

02:45:20.399 --> 02:45:23.399
Haynes. And the motion is carried.

02:45:24.399 --> 02:45:27.399
Moving on to item 12.11, extension to

02:45:27.600 --> 02:45:30.216
term of appointment to council advisory

02:45:30.240 --> 02:45:32.216
committees. There were no requests to be

02:45:32.240 --> 02:45:34.056
heard. Can I have a mover? Councelor

02:45:34.080 --> 02:45:36.616
Hockley. Thank you. Very busy tonight.

02:45:36.640 --> 02:45:39.096
Um can I have a seconder, please?

02:45:39.120 --> 02:45:41.896
Councelor Mintosh. Councelor Hockley,

02:45:41.920 --> 02:45:44.696
would you like to debate?  I say very

02:45:44.720 --> 02:45:46.295
quickly and it never is but um very

02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:48.696
quickly um as the chair of the

02:45:48.720 --> 02:45:51.176
reconciliation um committee I just want

02:45:51.200 --> 02:45:53.576
to I just want to pay tribute to um a

02:45:53.600 --> 02:45:55.255
group of people who I've only just

02:45:55.279 --> 02:45:58.279
recently met  who are amazing as

02:45:59.520 --> 02:46:02.375
representatives of the um Aboriginal and

02:46:02.399 --> 02:46:05.399
toristra islander community. Um and it's

02:46:05.600 --> 02:46:07.096
with great pride that I can say that

02:46:07.120 --> 02:46:10.120
they are u making a pragmatic considered

02:46:11.120 --> 02:46:14.056
 and in highly engaged contribution to

02:46:14.080 --> 02:46:17.080
um to  the to the proceedings and I do

02:46:17.760 --> 02:46:19.656
look forward to working with them  in

02:46:19.680 --> 02:46:22.056
the months ahead and I think only simply

02:46:22.080 --> 02:46:24.455
because we um we lost a year there

02:46:24.479 --> 02:46:27.016
somewhere I think it's  it's

02:46:27.040 --> 02:46:30.040
imperative that we  extend for um for

02:46:31.200 --> 02:46:32.936
the recommended period so that we get

02:46:32.960 --> 02:46:35.176
the maximum value out of these  out of

02:46:35.200 --> 02:46:37.016
these folks.

02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:38.616
Thank you, Councelor Hopley. Councelor

02:46:38.640 --> 02:46:40.295
Mintosh.

02:46:40.319 --> 02:46:42.776
Um I concur and fully support the

02:46:42.800 --> 02:46:44.856
recommendations contained within this

02:46:44.880 --> 02:46:46.936
motion, noting that there has been that

02:46:46.960 --> 02:46:49.896
lengthy break between meetings of the

02:46:49.920 --> 02:46:52.216
the various advisory committees between

02:46:52.240 --> 02:46:54.375
the middle of last year and so far as

02:46:54.399 --> 02:46:56.136
the chair of the disability access and

02:46:56.160 --> 02:46:58.936
advisory committee, um I've only been to

02:46:58.960 --> 02:47:00.696
one meeting. The second one is next

02:47:00.720 --> 02:47:02.136
week, so I'm really looking forward to

02:47:02.160 --> 02:47:04.616
that. I I absolutely loved meeting with

02:47:04.640 --> 02:47:06.856
members of the the committee and hearing

02:47:06.880 --> 02:47:08.936
how meaningful this work is to them.

02:47:08.960 --> 02:47:10.936
They do not consider this work as just

02:47:10.960 --> 02:47:13.335
tokenistic. They do they have found it

02:47:13.359 --> 02:47:15.576
very um fulfilling and are genuinely

02:47:15.600 --> 02:47:17.255
committed and passionate about the

02:47:17.279 --> 02:47:19.976
opportunity um to have input to this

02:47:20.000 --> 02:47:21.176
issue. Thank you.

02:47:21.200 --> 02:47:23.335
Thank you councelor Mintosh. Councelor

02:47:23.359 --> 02:47:24.375
Murray.

02:47:24.399 --> 02:47:26.136
I'll just very quickly say as chair of

02:47:26.160 --> 02:47:27.816
the Bayard Arts and Gallery Advisory

02:47:27.840 --> 02:47:29.335
Committee, we have our second meeting

02:47:29.359 --> 02:47:31.496
tomorrow night. So, um I am glad that we

02:47:31.520 --> 02:47:33.816
have our terms extended so I can spend

02:47:33.840 --> 02:47:35.736
um more time with this wonderful group

02:47:35.760 --> 02:47:37.896
of people. Thank you.

02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:40.056
Counselors, would any other counselors

02:47:40.080 --> 02:47:42.776
like to speak to the motion? Okay, I'll

02:47:42.800 --> 02:47:44.696
put it to the vote. All those in favor,

02:47:44.720 --> 02:47:46.455
councelor Hockley, councelor Ellit,

02:47:46.479 --> 02:47:48.056
councelor Macintosh, councelor Leigh,

02:47:48.080 --> 02:47:49.656
councelor Murray, councelor Taylor

02:47:49.680 --> 02:47:52.680
Haynes, and it is carried.

02:47:54.960 --> 02:47:57.960
Okay. So, moving to 12.12

02:47:59.920 --> 02:48:02.920
 June 20125 quarterly financial

02:48:03.439 --> 02:48:06.439
report. We have one request to speak

02:48:06.479 --> 02:48:08.856
received from Mr. George Reynolds. Could

02:48:08.880 --> 02:48:11.176
Mr. Reynolds please approach the speaker

02:48:11.200 --> 02:48:13.896
table?

02:48:13.920 --> 02:48:15.896
Not here. Okay. Not here. It's been a

02:48:15.920 --> 02:48:18.856
long night. Okay. Um can I have a mover,

02:48:18.880 --> 02:48:21.880
please?

02:48:22.000 --> 02:48:24.375
Councelor Leigh. Thank you. And can I have

02:48:24.399 --> 02:48:27.399
a seconder? Councelor Erlic. Councelor

02:48:27.680 --> 02:48:30.680
Leigh, would you like to talk to the

02:48:31.120 --> 02:48:34.120
to the motion?

02:48:35.680 --> 02:48:38.136
Turn your microphone on, please.

02:48:38.160 --> 02:48:39.816
Councelor.

02:48:39.840 --> 02:48:42.295
Um, look, I have I have no issues with

02:48:42.319 --> 02:48:43.896
what obviously being in the audit

02:48:43.920 --> 02:48:45.576
committee as well, how you look at

02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:47.016
things a little differently. I have no

02:48:47.040 --> 02:48:49.976
issues with what's been been um 

02:48:50.000 --> 02:48:52.936
supplied to us in the current issue. My

02:48:52.960 --> 02:48:55.016
issues that I think are coming up are we

02:48:55.040 --> 02:48:57.736
don't know certain things. For example,

02:48:57.760 --> 02:49:00.136
we didn't know about the $4.1 million

02:49:00.160 --> 02:49:02.375
that was required to actually do to

02:49:02.399 --> 02:49:04.455
clean up the contamination. Um and it's

02:49:04.479 --> 02:49:06.375
not the officer's faults that involved

02:49:06.399 --> 02:49:07.976
in this. It's things that coming from

02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:11.000
the side from the past. And I think I

02:49:11.279 --> 02:49:12.696
still think there's some other things

02:49:12.720 --> 02:49:15.720
coming from the past to us. For example,

02:49:15.760 --> 02:49:18.056
the basketball courts have some other

02:49:18.080 --> 02:49:20.136
more serious issues from my looking at

02:49:20.160 --> 02:49:22.056
them. So, it's certainly not I'm not

02:49:22.080 --> 02:49:23.656
criticizing anything that the officers

02:49:23.680 --> 02:49:26.455
are doing. I'm I'm concerned that I

02:49:26.479 --> 02:49:28.056
think we have a few things coming that

02:49:28.080 --> 02:49:30.375
we aren't aware of particularly on the

02:49:30.399 --> 02:49:32.375
construction side that what's gone on.

02:49:32.399 --> 02:49:34.536
And in my view, I don't think we should

02:49:34.560 --> 02:49:37.176
be doing any major constructions at all

02:49:37.200 --> 02:49:39.176
until we get some outside help that can

02:49:39.200 --> 02:49:41.415
give us a better idea of what happens.

02:49:41.439 --> 02:49:44.136
The example of the contamination soil at

02:49:44.160 --> 02:49:47.016
the Brighton Life Saving Club, that's

02:49:47.040 --> 02:49:48.776
the sort of project, and I don't blame

02:49:48.800 --> 02:49:50.696
the officers for this, but that's the

02:49:50.720 --> 02:49:51.736
sort of thing that should have been

02:49:51.760 --> 02:49:54.136
found in the beginning, not in the end,

02:49:54.160 --> 02:49:56.455
added to it. So when you think you have

02:49:56.479 --> 02:49:58.616
$30 million for a life-saving club with

02:49:58.640 --> 02:50:00.455
everything to finish it and it's we

02:50:00.479 --> 02:50:01.736
still have other issues there because

02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:03.415
there's some really big sections of the

02:50:03.439 --> 02:50:05.096
building that are not actually even

02:50:05.120 --> 02:50:07.656
being used from what I be honestly. It's

02:50:07.680 --> 02:50:09.976
not my territory. So I commend the

02:50:10.000 --> 02:50:11.415
office's report. They've done a really

02:50:11.439 --> 02:50:14.295
good job. I just I'm just cautious about

02:50:14.319 --> 02:50:15.896
a few things that I think might be

02:50:15.920 --> 02:50:18.920
coming in the future. That's all.

02:50:19.760 --> 02:50:21.976
Thank you councelor Leigh. Councelor Erik,

02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:24.696
would you like to say any words? Other

02:50:24.720 --> 02:50:27.720
counselors, any words? Thank you. I will

02:50:27.760 --> 02:50:29.656
choose to speak to the next item rather

02:50:29.680 --> 02:50:31.736
than this one. So, shall we put the

02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:34.136
motion to the vote? All those in favor?

02:50:34.160 --> 02:50:35.656
Councelor Hockley, councelor Ellit,

02:50:35.680 --> 02:50:37.335
councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh,

02:50:37.359 --> 02:50:38.936
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

02:50:38.960 --> 02:50:41.816
Haynes. And so, it is carried.

02:50:41.840 --> 02:50:44.840
Moving on to item 12.13, draft annual

02:50:46.080 --> 02:50:48.455
financial statements for the year ended

02:50:48.479 --> 02:50:51.479
30 June 2025. There were no requests to

02:50:51.680 --> 02:50:54.536
be heard. Can I have a mover, please?

02:50:54.560 --> 02:50:56.536
Councelor Hockley, can I have a

02:50:56.560 --> 02:50:59.560
seconder? Councelor Erlict.

02:50:59.680 --> 02:51:02.056
Coun Councelor Hockley, would you like

02:51:02.080 --> 02:51:04.616
to debate?

02:51:04.640 --> 02:51:07.640
, thanks. Um, Madam Deputy May,

02:51:08.479 --> 02:51:11.479
I I just want to um note

02:51:11.760 --> 02:51:14.760
that um what looks like

02:51:14.880 --> 02:51:17.880
um an exceptionally healthy set of 

02:51:18.080 --> 02:51:21.080
books  is in fact so um compared to

02:51:22.319 --> 02:51:25.319
other councils that  I have um I have

02:51:26.319 --> 02:51:29.255
looked at.  the city of Bayside is

02:51:29.279 --> 02:51:32.279
indeed um fortunate to have managed um

02:51:33.359 --> 02:51:36.359
its finances in the way that it has. Um

02:51:38.240 --> 02:51:40.216
but I think it needs to be noted that

02:51:40.240 --> 02:51:42.776
there are a number of reasons why we

02:51:42.800 --> 02:51:45.800
have or we appear to be so flush with

02:51:46.560 --> 02:51:49.560
cash  when in fact we are looking up a

02:51:52.319 --> 02:51:55.255
very steep uphill journey in the near

02:51:55.279 --> 02:51:57.016
future.

02:51:57.040 --> 02:51:59.816
One of those is the fact that we are our

02:51:59.840 --> 02:52:02.295
our available cash is inflated by the

02:52:02.319 --> 02:52:04.295
fact that we simply don't deliver

02:52:04.319 --> 02:52:05.976
capital projects that we allocate

02:52:06.000 --> 02:52:08.536
funding to in a timely way and as a

02:52:08.560 --> 02:52:11.560
consequence carry over tens of millions

02:52:11.600 --> 02:52:14.455
of dollars um into the into the next

02:52:14.479 --> 02:52:16.936
year's accounts which make it look as

02:52:16.960 --> 02:52:19.960
though we've turned a healthy profit. Um

02:52:20.800 --> 02:52:23.800
we have  we are a wash with open space

02:52:25.120 --> 02:52:28.120
um contributions from developers

02:52:28.319 --> 02:52:31.255
and it is absolutely imperative that

02:52:31.279 --> 02:52:34.279
over the next 12 months to two years we

02:52:34.319 --> 02:52:37.319
spend some of that money in suburbs like

02:52:37.520 --> 02:52:40.520
Hampton East  like Hampton  because

02:52:41.439 --> 02:52:44.136
if we don't developers will simply turn

02:52:44.160 --> 02:52:47.160
those suburbs into Hong Kong.  we need

02:52:47.840 --> 02:52:50.375
open space.  we need land around us.

02:52:50.399 --> 02:52:53.176
We need places for kids to play, for

02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:56.200
dogs to walk, for old people to sit. Um

02:52:56.479 --> 02:52:59.479
for space to relieve the tyranny of six,

02:53:00.880 --> 02:53:03.096
seven, and eight story buildings such as

02:53:03.120 --> 02:53:04.776
we are already seeing being built in

02:53:04.800 --> 02:53:07.800
Hampton East.  unless we think that um

02:53:08.720 --> 02:53:11.335
 that the situation that we find

02:53:11.359 --> 02:53:14.359
ourselves in beyond that is um is

02:53:14.640 --> 02:53:17.415
healthy. Let's let me just remind you

02:53:17.439 --> 02:53:20.216
that over the course of the next um 3 to

02:53:20.240 --> 02:53:22.056
5 years

02:53:22.080 --> 02:53:24.375
or potentially at least within the term

02:53:24.399 --> 02:53:26.136
of the long-term financial plan that we

02:53:26.160 --> 02:53:29.160
are obliged to submit to government,

02:53:30.000 --> 02:53:32.696
we have to address um our aquatic

02:53:32.720 --> 02:53:35.096
strategy. Um it's no secret that the

02:53:35.120 --> 02:53:38.120
Tulip Street pool  has a limited life.

02:53:39.120 --> 02:53:41.576
We have kindergartens across Spayside

02:53:41.600 --> 02:53:44.056
that are not fit for purpose and a

02:53:44.080 --> 02:53:45.896
population particularly east of Bluff

02:53:45.920 --> 02:53:47.816
Road that is growing like Topppsy and if

02:53:47.840 --> 02:53:50.696
we don't um invest in kindergartens in

02:53:50.720 --> 02:53:53.720
the next couple of years um we will be

02:53:53.920 --> 02:53:55.976
even if um even if we do get some

02:53:56.000 --> 02:53:57.736
contribution from from a Victorian

02:53:57.760 --> 02:53:58.936
government of the future towards

02:53:58.960 --> 02:54:01.656
kindergarten infrastructure  it's not

02:54:01.680 --> 02:54:03.176
going to cover what we will need to

02:54:03.200 --> 02:54:05.415
cover. We heard tonight that the Bay

02:54:05.439 --> 02:54:07.976
Trail um could cost us an extra $10

02:54:08.000 --> 02:54:09.656
million over and above what we are

02:54:09.680 --> 02:54:11.976
planning what we were planning to spend.

02:54:12.000 --> 02:54:14.375
Um our buildings

02:54:14.399 --> 02:54:16.856
um the dozens and dozens of them that we

02:54:16.880 --> 02:54:19.880
have across the city of Bayside are in

02:54:19.920 --> 02:54:22.136
something of a maintenance um dilemma

02:54:22.160 --> 02:54:24.536
and the the cost of  of getting some

02:54:24.560 --> 02:54:26.295
of the existing buildings that we have

02:54:26.319 --> 02:54:29.319
up to  up to scratch  is in the tens

02:54:30.000 --> 02:54:31.415
of millions of dollars. We have a lot of

02:54:31.439 --> 02:54:34.439
money to spend. We have a lot of money.

02:54:35.279 --> 02:54:37.096
Um, but let's not go giving any of it

02:54:37.120 --> 02:54:39.736
away anytime soon. Let's focus on

02:54:39.760 --> 02:54:42.295
delivering an organization that is

02:54:42.319 --> 02:54:44.616
capable. I'm looking at Mr. Crips. He

02:54:44.640 --> 02:54:46.295
knows that this is my strong view. We

02:54:46.319 --> 02:54:48.936
need an organization that is capable of

02:54:48.960 --> 02:54:51.576
deciding what to spend its money on and

02:54:51.600 --> 02:54:53.896
then actually delivering on the things

02:54:53.920 --> 02:54:56.216
that we say we're going to do.

02:54:56.240 --> 02:54:59.240
So well done to the officers,

02:54:59.439 --> 02:55:01.415
Bill in particular for a steady hand on

02:55:01.439 --> 02:55:04.056
the wheel. Um but this is really just

02:55:04.080 --> 02:55:06.136
the start of another phase in the

02:55:06.160 --> 02:55:08.536
history of Bayside.

02:55:08.560 --> 02:55:11.335
Thank you councelor um Hockley.

02:55:11.359 --> 02:55:13.976
Councelor Ers, would you like to talk to

02:55:14.000 --> 02:55:17.000
the item?

02:55:17.040 --> 02:55:18.696
Oh, nothing other than to say I think

02:55:18.720 --> 02:55:20.616
they're very healthy books thanks to a

02:55:20.640 --> 02:55:23.576
wonderful CFO. Well done. Thank you,

02:55:23.600 --> 02:55:26.375
Councelor Murray.

02:55:26.399 --> 02:55:28.056
Well, I concur with councelor elect and

02:55:28.080 --> 02:55:29.976
and all the sentiments expressed by

02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:32.696
councelor Hockley. Um indeed we have an

02:55:32.720 --> 02:55:35.720
excellent um you know excellent set of

02:55:36.000 --> 02:55:38.536
books um but we have a huge um amount to

02:55:38.560 --> 02:55:41.560
do and a lot of money to spend um which

02:55:41.600 --> 02:55:44.600
is exciting and fun um and Mr. Crips

02:55:46.240 --> 02:55:49.176
will be busy to exactly

02:55:49.200 --> 02:55:51.736
Mr. Crips will be um will be charged

02:55:51.760 --> 02:55:54.760
with um big big delivery. Um that's all

02:55:55.439 --> 02:55:58.439
I need to say. Thanks,

02:55:59.760 --> 02:56:02.760
Councelor Leigh.

02:56:04.000 --> 02:56:05.896
Look, what I'd really like to add in

02:56:05.920 --> 02:56:08.920
this is I think there needs to be a

02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:11.096
change in the philosophy of what we're

02:56:11.120 --> 02:56:12.936
doing and how we're doing it. Because at

02:56:12.960 --> 02:56:14.616
the moment if you look at all the jobs

02:56:14.640 --> 02:56:16.136
that we have built the buildings that

02:56:16.160 --> 02:56:18.696
have been done and I sort of had a look

02:56:18.720 --> 02:56:21.335
back at the last few in the last handful

02:56:21.359 --> 02:56:24.136
of years with and I think this is under

02:56:24.160 --> 02:56:26.776
the under the amounts is I can see at

02:56:26.800 --> 02:56:29.800
least $65 million worth of of buildings

02:56:30.240 --> 02:56:32.056
that have been done whether it's the net

02:56:32.080 --> 02:56:34.776
ball courts at 14 million or 9 million

02:56:34.800 --> 02:56:37.255
there or whatever whatever all of this

02:56:37.279 --> 02:56:39.656
has been money up money from the council

02:56:39.680 --> 02:56:42.056
and there is there's a philosophy change

02:56:42.080 --> 02:56:44.696
that has to happen and that is that

02:56:44.720 --> 02:56:47.255
everybody today is paying for what is

02:56:47.279 --> 02:56:49.496
going going to be built. But when you're

02:56:49.520 --> 02:56:51.415
building something like the um the

02:56:51.439 --> 02:56:53.016
Sandringham Leisure Center, that's going

02:56:53.040 --> 02:56:55.335
to be there for the next 25 years. And

02:56:55.359 --> 02:56:56.856
in my view, when it's a building, it's a

02:56:56.880 --> 02:56:58.776
hund00 million if that's what it's going

02:56:58.800 --> 02:57:00.056
to be or whatever it is. And I

02:57:00.080 --> 02:57:02.696
understand the one in um the Morty Alak

02:57:02.720 --> 02:57:04.616
one is at least 80 million now from what

02:57:04.640 --> 02:57:07.096
I hear from u someone who told me from

02:57:07.120 --> 02:57:09.096
that side is this is actually a change

02:57:09.120 --> 02:57:11.255
of philosophy where there is money that

02:57:11.279 --> 02:57:13.736
we put in and we actually look at having

02:57:13.760 --> 02:57:15.976
to borrow some that is going to be paid

02:57:16.000 --> 02:57:18.536
back over the years. We one do we

02:57:18.560 --> 02:57:20.536
actually ex ext extend what we can do

02:57:20.560 --> 02:57:23.255
across the system a ac across all our

02:57:23.279 --> 02:57:25.656
wards wisely and we got to make sure

02:57:25.680 --> 02:57:28.455
that we don't do it irresponsibly

02:57:28.479 --> 02:57:31.016
and I think we also need some outside

02:57:31.040 --> 02:57:33.335
help before we do any of these things

02:57:33.359 --> 02:57:35.496
I'm of the view that if you're going to

02:57:35.520 --> 02:57:38.520
build buildings um then like like the

02:57:38.800 --> 02:57:40.455
Sandreham Leisure Center one of the

02:57:40.479 --> 02:57:42.856
things it has to be is you hire someone

02:57:42.880 --> 02:57:44.856
from outside who's the project manager

02:57:44.880 --> 02:57:46.936
of the thing and you contract him for

02:57:46.960 --> 02:57:49.960
the life of the site and it's his role

02:57:50.080 --> 02:57:52.056
to actually work with the officers to do

02:57:52.080 --> 02:57:55.080
it. I think the way I saw the example of

02:57:55.279 --> 02:57:57.896
the leisure pool, the um the warm water

02:57:57.920 --> 02:58:00.136
pool when it went from 12 million or

02:58:00.160 --> 02:58:02.856
whatever is it to 29 million, there was

02:58:02.880 --> 02:58:05.576
no now whether that was the off, this is

02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:08.600
just my observation, so I may well be

02:58:08.640 --> 02:58:11.415
totally wrong, but it looked like if I

02:58:11.439 --> 02:58:13.576
if I had if I was a counselor and it was

02:58:13.600 --> 02:58:16.136
at 12 million and then and then I found

02:58:16.160 --> 02:58:18.936
out that it was 29 million, I'd be

02:58:18.960 --> 02:58:21.960
absolutely in shock. Now, it's I suspect

02:58:22.880 --> 02:58:24.696
in the case of what happened, they all

02:58:24.720 --> 02:58:26.216
knew what was going on and they were

02:58:26.240 --> 02:58:27.656
quite happy to tick it off and tick it

02:58:27.680 --> 02:58:29.496
off and tick it off from what I've seen

02:58:29.520 --> 02:58:30.856
of some of the stuff that's been going

02:58:30.880 --> 02:58:33.736
on. And I think that until you can

02:58:33.760 --> 02:58:35.976
actually have the right people that are

02:58:36.000 --> 02:58:38.616
helping you um that are that know the

02:58:38.640 --> 02:58:41.335
game. I mean I know with for example 

02:58:41.359 --> 02:58:43.496
one of your sites that you did I can

02:58:43.520 --> 02:58:45.176
tell you from one of my sons went down

02:58:45.200 --> 02:58:47.016
there is in the building industry he

02:58:47.040 --> 02:58:49.335
reckoned the the developer the builders

02:58:49.359 --> 02:58:52.136
of it made about 1.8 8 million on it and

02:58:52.160 --> 02:58:53.896
that's one of the life-saving clubs that

02:58:53.920 --> 02:58:56.696
you did, right? So, um, which is a

02:58:56.720 --> 02:58:58.056
pretty good profit when you're a

02:58:58.080 --> 02:58:59.976
council. That's the other thing in this

02:59:00.000 --> 02:59:02.375
is that if you're paying these people

02:59:02.399 --> 02:59:04.776
when you're doing these jobs and you

02:59:04.800 --> 02:59:07.016
they know that every quarter they're

02:59:07.040 --> 02:59:08.776
going to get paid. I know we have to put

02:59:08.800 --> 02:59:11.016
it out to tender, but one of the things

02:59:11.040 --> 02:59:13.736
we we're a payer that they know that

02:59:13.760 --> 02:59:15.736
it's going to get ticked every month,

02:59:15.760 --> 02:59:18.136
every every quarter or whatever it is.

02:59:18.160 --> 02:59:20.776
that makes you a much better customer

02:59:20.800 --> 02:59:22.936
than someone where you out there in the

02:59:22.960 --> 02:59:24.856
market and I think you've got to get

02:59:24.880 --> 02:59:27.880
value for money and in things like the

02:59:28.240 --> 02:59:30.216
um Sandreham Leisure Center it's

02:59:30.240 --> 02:59:32.856
whatever what else you can add to it in

02:59:32.880 --> 02:59:35.255
my view I think it's got the potential

02:59:35.279 --> 02:59:37.335
to go up above that we can actually sell

02:59:37.359 --> 02:59:40.056
that's just my philosophy of it that

02:59:40.080 --> 02:59:41.736
actually gains us some funds but I think

02:59:41.760 --> 02:59:43.976
there's a philosophical change that's

02:59:44.000 --> 02:59:46.295
we've got to adopt adopt in this and if

02:59:46.319 --> 02:59:48.936
we don't if we do it means we extend the

02:59:48.960 --> 02:59:51.176
funds that we're using much more wisely

02:59:51.200 --> 02:59:53.576
and people in the future paying and I

02:59:53.600 --> 02:59:56.136
think this the last thing I'd say it

02:59:56.160 --> 02:59:58.616
makes us a more accountable process I

02:59:58.640 --> 03:00:00.216
think when you're borrowing money than

03:00:00.240 --> 03:00:01.576
when you're just shoveling it in from

03:00:01.600 --> 03:00:03.496
what I've seen going on in the past and

03:00:03.520 --> 03:00:05.176
it's not a criticism of the officers

03:00:05.200 --> 03:00:08.200
because I know what went on.

03:00:08.720 --> 03:00:11.656
Thank you councelor Leigh

03:00:11.680 --> 03:00:14.680
Councelor Macintosh.

03:00:15.200 --> 03:00:17.255
Thank you. Just a really couple of quick

03:00:17.279 --> 03:00:19.656
words to add that um like my fellow

03:00:19.680 --> 03:00:21.415
councils really pleased to see that our

03:00:21.439 --> 03:00:23.096
books look fairly healthy but also

03:00:23.120 --> 03:00:24.936
noting that there are some significant

03:00:24.960 --> 03:00:27.335
big ticket items down the track. Um

03:00:27.359 --> 03:00:28.455
thinking in particular the

03:00:28.479 --> 03:00:30.295
reinvigoration of Hampton through the

03:00:30.319 --> 03:00:32.536
Hampton Community Hub which just doesn't

03:00:32.560 --> 03:00:35.176
sit in that longerterm financial plan at

03:00:35.200 --> 03:00:37.496
the moment. Um and also really looking

03:00:37.520 --> 03:00:39.736
forward to our aquatic strategy and how

03:00:39.760 --> 03:00:42.760
we go about  transition pool or

03:00:42.880 --> 03:00:45.255
temporary warm water pool to meet that

03:00:45.279 --> 03:00:47.496
commitment to our community and also the

03:00:47.520 --> 03:00:49.335
longerterm replacement of the Sandingham

03:00:49.359 --> 03:00:51.096
Leisure Center. Thank you.

03:00:51.120 --> 03:00:54.120
Thank you, Councelor Mintosh.  I I'll

03:00:54.399 --> 03:00:56.136
say a few words. It would be remiss of

03:00:56.160 --> 03:00:58.536
me not to as a member of the audit and

03:00:58.560 --> 03:01:01.560
risk committee. So um the CFO, Mr.

03:01:02.240 --> 03:01:05.096
Shanahan, well done on a exceedingly

03:01:05.120 --> 03:01:08.120
strong set of books there. Um there were

03:01:08.319 --> 03:01:11.255
no surprises, no surprises at all other

03:01:11.279 --> 03:01:14.056
than obviously the sole contamination.

03:01:14.080 --> 03:01:16.616
Um that was a write off. That was it. I

03:01:16.640 --> 03:01:19.176
think um revenue was up on the prior

03:01:19.200 --> 03:01:22.200
year by 12% 10% and expenses by the 12%

03:01:23.840 --> 03:01:26.616
but that was primarily due to the um

03:01:26.640 --> 03:01:29.640
takeover of Glenra um home care and aged

03:01:30.080 --> 03:01:33.080
care. Um, and I just echo what my fellow

03:01:34.080 --> 03:01:35.736
counselors have said. We've got a really

03:01:35.760 --> 03:01:37.816
strong set of books here, strong balance

03:01:37.840 --> 03:01:39.736
sheet, and we've got to be very smart

03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:42.455
now as to how we invest in the future of

03:01:42.479 --> 03:01:45.176
Bayside to ensure that infrastructure is

03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:46.696
there, the open space, the

03:01:46.720 --> 03:01:48.936
kindergartens, the Hampton Harbor,

03:01:48.960 --> 03:01:51.960
aquatic strategy, warm waterpool. How do

03:01:52.000 --> 03:01:54.776
we deliver this um and set those plans

03:01:54.800 --> 03:01:57.800
in motion? So, I would  suggest we put

03:01:59.840 --> 03:02:02.056
the motion to the vote. All those in

03:02:02.080 --> 03:02:04.216
favor. Councelor Hockley, Councelor

03:02:04.240 --> 03:02:06.696
Elliot, C. Oh, sorry. Right of reply.

03:02:06.720 --> 03:02:09.720
Councelor um Hockley, would you like

03:02:10.479 --> 03:02:13.479
Okay, thank you.  so, councelor

03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:16.520
Hockley, Councelor Eri, are you? Yes.

03:02:16.640 --> 03:02:18.295
Councelor Mintosh, Councelor Leigh,

03:02:18.319 --> 03:02:19.896
Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

03:02:19.920 --> 03:02:22.696
Haynes. And so, the emotion is carried.

03:02:22.720 --> 03:02:25.656
Thank you. Moving on to 12.14

03:02:25.680 --> 03:02:28.680
performance statement for year ending 30

03:02:28.720 --> 03:02:31.335
June 2025. There were no requests to be

03:02:31.359 --> 03:02:33.496
heard. Can I have a mover please?

03:02:33.520 --> 03:02:36.520
Councelor Leigh and a seconder.

03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:39.255
Councelor Murray. Thank you. Councelor

03:02:39.279 --> 03:02:42.279
Leigh, would you like to say a few words?

03:02:42.720 --> 03:02:45.176
I think I I think I I think I've said

03:02:45.200 --> 03:02:47.335
mostly if I want to say, but I the only

03:02:47.359 --> 03:02:49.176
thing I'd say the good thing that's

03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:50.936
happening to the audit the audit

03:02:50.960 --> 03:02:52.375
committee is that we've got a new member

03:02:52.399 --> 03:02:54.696
turning up which I think will will she

03:02:54.720 --> 03:02:56.455
will actually seriously add to helping

03:02:56.479 --> 03:02:59.479
us in these sorts of things.

03:03:00.160 --> 03:03:02.375
Thank you, Councelor Leigh. Um councelor

03:03:02.399 --> 03:03:05.399
Murray. Okay. Are there any other

03:03:06.080 --> 03:03:09.080
speakers to the item?

03:03:09.279 --> 03:03:11.736
Let's put it through to the vote. All

03:03:11.760 --> 03:03:14.216
those in favor, councelor Huckley,

03:03:14.240 --> 03:03:15.976
councelor Ellit, councelor McIntosh,

03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:17.816
councelor Leigh, and councelor Murray, and

03:03:17.840 --> 03:03:19.415
councelor Taylor Haynes. And so it is

03:03:19.439 --> 03:03:21.335
carried.

03:03:21.359 --> 03:03:24.359
Item 1215

03:03:24.399 --> 03:03:27.399
 S 11A, instrument of appointment to

03:03:28.240 --> 03:03:30.216
authorize officers under the planning

03:03:30.240 --> 03:03:31.896
and environment

03:03:31.920 --> 03:03:34.536
 act 1987.

03:03:34.560 --> 03:03:37.560
There were no requests to be heard. 

03:03:38.800 --> 03:03:40.776
okay. Gosh, that's fast. Councelor

03:03:40.800 --> 03:03:43.800
Hockley and  to move and councelor

03:03:43.920 --> 03:03:46.295
Mintosh to second. Councelor Hockley,

03:03:46.319 --> 03:03:49.319
would you like to say a few words?

03:03:50.319 --> 03:03:52.216
Okay. Are there any other speakers to

03:03:52.240 --> 03:03:55.240
the item?  I shall move the  motion

03:03:55.600 --> 03:03:58.295
for the vote. Councelor Hockley. All

03:03:58.319 --> 03:03:59.736
those in favor, councelor Hockley,

03:03:59.760 --> 03:04:01.576
councelor Ellit, Councelor Mintosh,

03:04:01.600 --> 03:04:04.136
Councelor Leigh, Councelor Murray, and

03:04:04.160 --> 03:04:05.976
Councelor Taylor Haynes. And so it is

03:04:06.000 --> 03:04:08.375
carried.

03:04:08.399 --> 03:04:11.399
12.17 council action wait a waiting

03:04:11.520 --> 03:04:13.096
report there were no requests to be

03:04:13.120 --> 03:04:15.896
heard can I have a mover please

03:04:15.920 --> 03:04:17.656
councelor Murray thank you and a

03:04:17.680 --> 03:04:20.680
seconder councelor McIntosh

03:04:24.080 --> 03:04:27.080
1216 council action awaiting report um

03:04:27.840 --> 03:04:29.896
councelor Murray would you like to talk

03:04:29.920 --> 03:04:32.920
to the report

03:04:34.960 --> 03:04:36.616
no I wouldn't accept to say that I have

03:04:36.640 --> 03:04:38.696
had a number I'm just Looking at item

03:04:38.720 --> 03:04:41.720
10.5 on page 475. I have had some

03:04:42.080 --> 03:04:44.536
queries into the use of glyphosate

03:04:44.560 --> 03:04:46.375
products for weed and invasive plant

03:04:46.399 --> 03:04:48.936
control in Bayside. So I look forward to

03:04:48.960 --> 03:04:51.960
receiving that report at some stage.

03:04:55.359 --> 03:04:57.896
Okay. And councelor Macintosh, would you

03:04:57.920 --> 03:04:59.896
like to say a few words? Any other

03:04:59.920 --> 03:05:02.056
counselors would you like to speak to

03:05:02.080 --> 03:05:05.080
the item? No. Um I suggest we put it to

03:05:05.760 --> 03:05:08.760
the  vote. All those in favor,

03:05:08.800 --> 03:05:10.776
councelor Hopley, councelor Ellit,

03:05:10.800 --> 03:05:12.856
councelor Mintosh, councelor Leigh, and

03:05:12.880 --> 03:05:15.255
councelor Murray, can councelor Taylor

03:05:15.279 --> 03:05:18.279
Haynes. And so it is carried.

03:05:18.399 --> 03:05:21.399
Item 13, reports by delegates. I

03:05:22.080 --> 03:05:25.080
understand we have no reports  for

03:05:25.359 --> 03:05:27.255
number one, Association of Bayside

03:05:27.279 --> 03:05:28.776
Municipalities.

03:05:28.800 --> 03:05:29.496
Correct.

03:05:29.520 --> 03:05:31.016
That's correct, Madam Chair.

03:05:31.040 --> 03:05:34.040
Thank you, Miss Coulson.  I um to

03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:38.040
Metropolitan Transport Forum Councelor

03:05:38.560 --> 03:05:41.560
Leigh. Do we have a report?

03:05:46.319 --> 03:05:48.295
Um

03:05:48.319 --> 03:05:49.736
the the meeting was from 3rd of

03:05:49.760 --> 03:05:52.216
September. The fir  the first item was

03:05:52.240 --> 03:05:53.976
a reflection on last night's last

03:05:54.000 --> 03:05:56.136
month's presentation by the minister

03:05:56.160 --> 03:05:59.160
minister  Williams  with particular

03:05:59.200 --> 03:06:01.496
focus on how obligations to comply with

03:06:01.520 --> 03:06:04.520
the disability discrimination act

03:06:05.600 --> 03:06:08.295
um um and would and what it would

03:06:08.319 --> 03:06:09.816
achieve through different transport

03:06:09.840 --> 03:06:12.840
programs um and forgive me Dr. Lucha P

03:06:14.560 --> 03:06:17.560
Lucha Padilla I think transport plan at

03:06:17.840 --> 03:06:20.295
the city of Bellerat gave a presentation

03:06:20.319 --> 03:06:22.455
of the trial of escoopers in Bellerat

03:06:22.479 --> 03:06:25.479
between 2021 to 2025 that showed um that

03:06:27.279 --> 03:06:29.896
there was wide use wide usage of the of

03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:32.920
them and  new a newly developed area

03:06:33.120 --> 03:06:35.176
and complemented the bus service but

03:06:35.200 --> 03:06:36.776
there was a challenge in managing the

03:06:36.800 --> 03:06:38.536
behavioral issues between the scooters

03:06:38.560 --> 03:06:40.936
and pedestrians and vehicles. The trial

03:06:40.960 --> 03:06:43.960
was was was positive and was um will be

03:06:44.000 --> 03:06:46.936
expanded count the council was also they

03:06:46.960 --> 03:06:49.960
also shared it with um  Milton me Mary

03:06:50.560 --> 03:06:53.560
Beck and Monty Mon Valley and NIMBIC.

03:06:54.880 --> 03:06:57.255
Can I just add to that if you haven't

03:06:57.279 --> 03:06:59.576
heard the  scooters have got

03:06:59.600 --> 03:07:00.936
themselves into a lot of trouble.

03:07:00.960 --> 03:07:03.496
There's um the business end of um

03:07:03.520 --> 03:07:05.496
selling scoopers scooters seems to have

03:07:05.520 --> 03:07:07.976
collapsed. So, but I don't know what

03:07:08.000 --> 03:07:09.896
government agencies think about these

03:07:09.920 --> 03:07:12.295
sorts of things when  the markets is

03:07:12.319 --> 03:07:13.816
actually showing them it's actually

03:07:13.840 --> 03:07:16.056
collapsed and I think there's some

03:07:16.080 --> 03:07:17.736
really serious issues and that's my

03:07:17.760 --> 03:07:19.656
thought of it was some really serious

03:07:19.680 --> 03:07:21.335
issues with accidents that are going on

03:07:21.359 --> 03:07:24.359
them. There is actually a very high um

03:07:24.640 --> 03:07:26.536
accident rate with the people on these

03:07:26.560 --> 03:07:28.295
SC scooters with many of them not even

03:07:28.319 --> 03:07:29.656
wearing helmets when they're running

03:07:29.680 --> 03:07:31.576
around from what I've been able to pick

03:07:31.600 --> 03:07:33.816
up and obviously that's the other is but

03:07:33.840 --> 03:07:35.255
that's what happened at that particular

03:07:35.279 --> 03:07:36.776
council meeting.

03:07:36.800 --> 03:07:38.856
Thank you councelor Leigh for that report.

03:07:38.880 --> 03:07:41.880
Um report three municipal association of

03:07:42.399 --> 03:07:45.399
Victoria will ask  the CEO in absence

03:07:45.439 --> 03:07:48.439
of the Mayor to speak to this item. Um

03:07:49.040 --> 03:07:51.736
so through you madame deputy Mayor um

03:07:51.760 --> 03:07:54.616
there's been no MAV um association

03:07:54.640 --> 03:07:57.176
meeting um at this point. I believe

03:07:57.200 --> 03:07:58.616
there is one being held in the coming

03:07:58.640 --> 03:07:59.656
week or two.

03:07:59.680 --> 03:08:02.680
Thank you. And  the next item in South

03:08:03.680 --> 03:08:06.455
Metropolitan May's forum if you could

03:08:06.479 --> 03:08:08.375
also speak to the item please in absence

03:08:08.399 --> 03:08:09.415
of the Mayor.

03:08:09.439 --> 03:08:11.335
Again  through you madam chair. 

03:08:11.359 --> 03:08:13.415
there's been no meeting in the the last

03:08:13.439 --> 03:08:14.375
month.

03:08:14.399 --> 03:08:17.399
Thank you Mr. CEO. Um item five, report

03:08:17.439 --> 03:08:19.656
five, Southeast Council's Climate Change

03:08:19.680 --> 03:08:21.736
Alliance,  alliance, councelor

03:08:21.760 --> 03:08:23.255
Macintosh.

03:08:23.279 --> 03:08:25.976
 thank you. Yes, I attended a SECA may

03:08:26.000 --> 03:08:28.216
forum last week on Thursday the 11th of

03:08:28.240 --> 03:08:30.536
September in the city of Casey.  the

03:08:30.560 --> 03:08:32.536
presentation at last week's forum was

03:08:32.560 --> 03:08:34.375
from Sarah Barker, who is the managing

03:08:34.399 --> 03:08:37.096
director of firm Pollination Law and one

03:08:37.120 --> 03:08:38.856
of the world's foremost experts on

03:08:38.880 --> 03:08:41.016
climate change governance, finance, and

03:08:41.040 --> 03:08:43.415
liability risks. The takeaway message

03:08:43.439 --> 03:08:45.335
from this presentation was that climate

03:08:45.359 --> 03:08:47.576
change is not a political debate. It's a

03:08:47.600 --> 03:08:49.896
core financial risk and also an

03:08:49.920 --> 03:08:52.216
opportunity for local government. Couple

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of points of particular note. Of course,

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in Victoria, we're already seeing hotter

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days, more droughts and bushfires and

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heavier extreme rainfall. Climate change

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impacts every council responsibility.

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Roads rate rubbish and beyond. A whole

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of council response is essential.

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Councils have a legal duty to consider

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future climate risks as the past is no

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longer a reliable indicator. And the

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timing of this presentation couldn't be

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more relevant. Yesterday, the Australian

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government released its national climate

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risk assessment, which warns the costs

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from natural disasters will rise to more

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than $40 billion a year, while hundreds

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of billions of dollars could be knocked

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off property values by 2050. Coastal

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communities, including ours, are at

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heightened risk with up to 18 times more

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coastal flooding than average under a

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threederee scenario. Seka's region

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represents over 1 million Victorians and

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a third of Victoria's coastline. From

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the cliffs of Cape Patterson, the

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Morningington Peninsula to the sandy

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shores of Brighton and South Melbourne.

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As Sarah's presentation highlighted,

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this is about taking the urgent

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practical action necessary to reduce

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emissions, to future proof our

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communities and protect public

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infrastructure. I look forward to seeing

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council continue its work on preparing

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our municipality and joining with others

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in preparing our region for the

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challenges and the opportunities ahead.

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Thank you,

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Councelor Mintosh. Can I have a mover

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for the reports, please? Councelor

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Hockley. Sorry, Madame Deputy May.

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Before we go to the motion, I just had a

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question for Mr. Crips,

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in relation to the MAV um report. You

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said there was an an upcoming meeting. I

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understand that's the MAV state council.

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Are we sending a representative?

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 through the chair. Um both the Mayor

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and the deputy Mayor, I believe, are

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delegates, so they will be informed of

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the meeting um and um expect to have

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attendance.

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Thank you. Can I have a mover for the

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reports, please, by delegates? Councelor

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Mintosh. Thank you. And a seconder,

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Councelor Murray. All those in favor,

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councelor Hockley, Councelor Ellit,

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Councelor Macintosh, Councelor Leigh,

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Councelor Murray, and Councelor Taylor

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Haynes. So, it is carried. , so

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confidential business, item 14.

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Councilors, may I have a motion that the

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remainder of the meeting be dealt with

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in camera? Thank you, Councelor Hockley.

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Given the following item relates to the

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confidential matter in accordance with

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section 66.

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Do we have a second? Councelor

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Macintosh. Thank you.

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Okay.

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Yes. Councelor um Hockley moved and

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councelor Macintosh to second.  given

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the following item relates to a

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confidential matter in accordance with

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section 662A

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of the local government act 2020 and

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pursuant to section 31G of this act as

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the matter concerns private commercial

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information being information provided

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by a business commercial or financial

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undertaking that one relates to trade

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secrets or two if released would

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unreasonably expose the business

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commercial or financial undertaking to

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disadvantage. Do can we please vote now?

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All those in favor, councelor

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Hockley, councelor Ellit, councelor

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Macintosh, councelor Leigh, councelor

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Murray, and councelor Taylor Haynes.

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Thank you.

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Okay. So, council has resolved to close

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the meeting to the public at this stage

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to deal with a matter of confidential

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nature. Thank you to those following the

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meeting, council meeting tonight. Good

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evening and officers, please switch off

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the webcasting.

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Thank you.