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Good evening ladies and gentlemen

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just before we commence just a reminder

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to everyone in the gallery that under

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the governance rules  photographs or

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video of the meeting  cannot be taken

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and people can't have any  placards

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within the room  if u people do try to

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disrupt the  I guess the proceedings

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this evening. You may be asked to 

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exit the chamber. So  for the purpose

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of an orderly conduct  in accordance

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with the governance rules I just 

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remind people of

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Please ask people to switch off their

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phones.

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Yes, please switch off your phones.

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Thank you. We're about to begin.

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So, councilors, council officers,

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members of the public gallery and the

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broader community following the meeting

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via live streaming, welcome to the 21st

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of July, 2026 council meeting.

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So before we begin, we would like to

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acknowledge the passing of Mark Glascodine

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 and I will  invite councelor

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McIntosh  shortly to do this. Um so

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before commencing tonight's business, um

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we will acknowledge Mark, a founding

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member of Bayside City Council's

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Disability Access and Inclusion Advisory

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Committee he's been a member since

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the inception in 2021. So I'd like to

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invite councelor McIntosh to say a few

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words.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Mark Glascodine

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was a passionate advocate for the

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rights, inclusion, and dignity of people

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with disability. Through his years of

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service on the advisory committee, he

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provided invaluable advice, insight, and

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lived experience that helped shaped

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council's approach to accessibility and

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inclusion across our municipality. His

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commitment to ensuring that people of

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all abilities could participate fully in

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community life made a lasting

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contribution to Bayside. Mark generously

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shared his knowledge, challenged us to

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think differently, and helped make our

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community more inclusive and welcoming

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for everyone. On behalf of the Mayor and

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counselors, I extend our sincere

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condolences to Mark's wife Carolyn, his

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extended family, friends, fellow

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committee members, and all those who had

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the privilege of knowing and working

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alongside him. Mark's legacy will

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continue through the work of the

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disability access and inclusion advisory

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committee and the many initiatives he

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helped inspire. At the service

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celebrating Mark's life, he was

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described and will be remembered as

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relentlessly positive. I feel grateful

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to have known and worked with Mark on

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the committee having also known him

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prior to joining council and I know I

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will always remember that light up a

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room smile of his. Thank you.

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Thank you councelor McIntosh. Thank you

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Mark for your contribution to our

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community.

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So we will continue with the

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introduction. So please be advised that

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this meeting is being recorded and

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streamed live on the internet to enhance

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the accessibility of council meetings to

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the broader aside community. The

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recordings are archived and available on

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council's website. All care is taken to

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maintain your privacy. However, as a

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visitor in the public gallery, your

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presence may be recorded in accordance

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with council's governance rules. Um, and

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as mentioned by the CEO, members of the

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community were afforded the 

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opportunity to provide a written

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statement or request to speak in

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relation to allegible agenda items for

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tonight's meetings. A copy of the

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written statements received and

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distributed to all counselors yesterday

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has been published now on the website

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along with the agenda. A reminder also

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to councilor's officers and members of

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the gallery to check that your mobile

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phones are switched off or placed on

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silent during the meeting. So

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counselors, members of the gallery and

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members of the community are following

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via live streaming. I wish to advise we

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are about to read the prayer and

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acknowledgement of country. For anyone

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not wishing to be present in the chamber

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or to follow the live streaming for the

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reading of the prayer and or

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acknowledgement of country, there will

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be approximately 10 seconds for the

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reading of the prayer and 10 for the

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acknowledgement of country. You will be

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advised when this has concluded and in

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addition, a message will appear on the

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screen to indicate when to rejoin the

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meeting. Thank you.

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So if we can now stand please for the

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prayer.

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I'd like to invite the CEO to say the

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prayer.

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O God bless this city Bayside. Give us

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courage, strength and wisdom so that our

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deliberations may be for the good of

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all. Amen.

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Thank you. And onto the acknowledgement

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of country. Please Mr. CEO.

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Bayside City Council proudly

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acknowledges the Bunurong people of the

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Kulin Nation as the traditional owners

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and custodians of this land. We pay our

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respects to their Elders past, present

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and emerging as well as any Aboriginal

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or Torres Strait Islander community members

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with us today.

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Thank you. Please be seated.

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So there are no apologies for this

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evening, but there is one counselor,

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councelor Irlicht, running slightly late.

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So  we expect him to arrive at any

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time. I think he's running late. Still

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doing his surgeries.  any declarations

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of conflict of interest, counselors?

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No. Okay. So, moving on to item five,

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adoption and confirmation of the minutes

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of the previous meetings.  can I

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please have a mover? Move  councelor

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Leigh. Thank you. Second councelor

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Hockley. All those in favor,

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councelor Murray, councelor El Mouallem,

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councelor Leigh, councelor McIntosh,

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councelor Hockley, councelor Taylor

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Haynes, and so it is carried.

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So moving on to item six, public

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question time. So in accordance with

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governance rules, there will be a

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maximum of 15 minutes allocated for

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public question time. The questions and

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responses  read out during this time

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will be published in the minutes. All

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questions, even those not read out in

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the allotted time, will be responded to

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in writing. There's no more than two

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questions with a maximum of two parts

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permitted per individual. The reading of

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each question will be limited to the

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question only. Any associated preamble

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will not be read out unless required for

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clarity. It should also be noted that on

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occasion the CEO or Mayor may determine

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to redact or disallow a question on the

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basis that it does not comply with the

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council's governance rules. So there

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were 15 public questions received. So,

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question one from Miss Susan Fitch 

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regarding the Sandringham golf course

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and Miss Fitch asked, "Does council

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regard an encourse toilet at Sandringham

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golf course as a priority for health and

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safety of golfers?" And part B of the

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question, when will council resolve this

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issue which has been outstanding for

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years? Response from the CEO, six years.

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In response to part A, council

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acknowledges the importance of providing

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appropriate amenities for users of

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public facilities. However, Sandringham

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Links Golf Course operates under a

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commercial lease and is not managed by

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council. Under the terms of the lease,

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the tenant is responsible for the

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day-to-day operation of the golf course,

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including the provision and management

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of facilities and services for patrons.

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There are toilet facilities centrally

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located on the golf course that is

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accessible to all players. In response

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to part B, council does not have a

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policy or require um or requirements to

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construct additional toilet facilities

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on  land leased um to a commercial

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operator and there are no current plans

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for council to fund or deliver an

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encourse toilet at this site.

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Thank you. So question two by Mr. Rob

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Haye regarding activity center planning

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amendments. Mr. Hey asked, why is this

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council wasting our rateayers funds on a

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frivolous, wasteful legal challenge to

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the proposed activity center planning

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amendments?

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Part B, why is council advocating for

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the noisy nimi minority and ignoring the

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majority of residents who want to see

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efficient spending of rateayers funds

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and do not oppose sensible density

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around suburban stations?

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Response

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from the CEO.

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Thank you, madame Mayor. Um, in response

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to part A, the activity center program

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proposes significant change to Bayside.

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The aim of the legal proceedings is to

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seek clarity and transparency on how

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decisions have been made by the state

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government. Council has sought this

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information through letters to the

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Minister for Planning and Freedom of

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Information requests. We are now taking

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the next steps to obtain the documents

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needed to properly inform the community.

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In response to part B, council undertook

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its own engagement with the community

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during the activity cent's program

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consultation period to ensure that

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council's advocacy efforts were aligned

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with the community's views and

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sentiment. Community feedback was used

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to inform council submission and to

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inform advocacy on this issue.

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Question three, Mr. Neils Cass submitted

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a question regarding displaced animals

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at Yalakutm Nature Reserve. He asked,

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"An official Acasia document reports

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multiple instances of native animals

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flee in their nests, while council

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contractors removed eight nest boxes and

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re relocated 25 others at the reserve.

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Given the nest boxes were either moved

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or taken down and the displaced animals

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have not been observed since, what does

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what data does council claim  no harm

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was done to wildlife? Response from the

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CEO.

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As has been communicated to Mr. Cass on

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a number of occasions, three boxes were

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removed from the reserve by council's

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consultants while others were either

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adjusted or relocated elsewhere on the

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site. Several nest boxes  were

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detached from individual trees for

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safety and/or maintenance issues and

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left at the base of the trees as they

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were um too heavy to reinstate safely. A

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nest box was only relocated once it was

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confirmed it was unoccupied during

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works. Consultant  noted that some

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boxes had been removed by third parties

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since the original inspection works.

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Council does not have any further

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information on who may have removed

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these. Um many cavity dependent species

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will naturally rotate between multiple

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nest boxes or hollows. The use of

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multiple hollows in natural environments

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 is a result of um ecological behavior

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adapted over time to ensure animals

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remain um free from potential parasites.

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Um assist in evading predators and

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enabling animals to manage temperature

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 shifts in their environment.

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Question four also by Mr. Neil's CADs 

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regarding the reserve the habitat and

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flora strategy and the relevant EVC

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benchmarks recommend 10 to 20% canopy

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cover for the southern wetlands area of

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the reserve. Bayside Council is

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currently proposing and implementing

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tree planting at a density that would

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result in much more than the recommended

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canopy cover. Will can council urgently

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review this proposal and engage with the

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association to avoid an outcome that

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appears inconsistent with its own

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habitat strategy. Response from the CEO.

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Thank you, Madam May. The southern

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wetland does not comprise um a single EV

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 C, but rather a mix of ecological

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vegetation communities and habitat

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zones. A target of 15% canopy cover has

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been identified for relevant sections of

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the site. The habitat and flora strategy

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was developed um prior to the master

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plan and was used as an important

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reference document in shaping the master

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plan's environmental and landscape

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outcomes. New tree canopy  cover 

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within the wetland is largely limited to

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the habitat island and the south and

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west perimeters of the site. Council

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does not intend to revisit the landscape

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approach at this time.

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Thank you. Question five. Mr. Douglas

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Klene submitted a question regarding

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improving Hyatt Village Green. Mr. Klene

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asked, "Is Bayside committed to any

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council funded remedial action as

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distinct from the shade cloth and

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barbecue to be funded from unspent

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developer funds under the section 173

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agreement? If so, what initiatives and

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in what time frame?" Part B, what

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community consultation is planned and

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when to develop further enhancements

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between now and the opening of the

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adjacent community hub in 2028? Response

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from the CEO.

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In response to part A, council has

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allocated $100,000 in the 2627  budget

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in addition to the $80,000 recently

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received from the developer um for

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additional upgrades  to the Hyatt

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Village Green. As  noted, the 80,000

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is to fund new shade sales and barbecue

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insulation at the site. More broadly,

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council will consult with Hyatt and the

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wider community in August and September

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2026 to understand what future

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enhancements could be made to the open

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space at Hyatt Common.

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Mr. Douglas Klein submitted a second

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question regarding the Hyatt Village

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Green and asked in regard to the poor

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quality grass in adequate drainage and

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dead trees on Hyatt Village Green. Does

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the developer have any legal commitment

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under section 173 agreement to take

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action prior to the defects period

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expiration in May 2027? And part B, what

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is the timeline to address these three

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issues and whether by council or

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developer?

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The section 173 agreement provides for

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rectification of all defects in the

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landscape works within a reasonable time

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of being notified by council. Sunen

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height proprietary limited is

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responsible for all costs assoc

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associated with rectification and a

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further  defect liability period

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applies to replace um to the replace

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defects.

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Question seven, Miss Michelle Bentley.

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 regarding council's proposed aquatic

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center. Council decided at his May

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meeting that a decision would be made

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about the site of the proposed aquatic

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center at its July meeting. This item is

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not on the agenda for the 21st of July.

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Given the cancellation of the warm water

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pool by this council, there is a

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community expectation that council will

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not procrastinate on this larger

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project. Can we please have an update on

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this project and  when will a decision

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be made about its location?

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Thank you, Madame May. The decision

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referred to was in fact made at the 21st

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April 2026 ordinary council meeting and

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whilst officer's recommendation referred

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to a further report being presented to

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the July 2026 council meeting, an

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alternate motion was moved, carried and

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reflected in the minutes um for a report

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to be instead u presented at a future

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council meeting. A report is now

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scheduled to be presented  to the

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September 2026 council meeting for

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consideration of the preferred locations

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for the proposed aquatic center.

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Detailed site feasibility assessment is

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underway for both Sandringham Leisure um

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center and the Brighton Golf Course

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locations.

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Thank you. Question eight. Mr. Chris

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Sutton submitted a question regarding

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the North Concourse car park along

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Reserve Road, asking why does council

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provide 20 unrestricted parking spaces

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in the North Concourse car park along

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Reserve Road when they are predominantly

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occupied all day by traders vehicles

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rather than providing parking that

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supports the vitality of the Concord

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shops, businesses and cafes by

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introducing a two or threehour time

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limit to these spaces between 9:00 to

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5:00 p.m. to increase parking turnover

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for the benefit of the B Morris

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residents and other visi visitors while

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traders could work to coordinate the

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greater use of the ample parking

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available at the rear of many of their

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premises. Response from the CEO.

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Thank you, Madame Mayor. , car parking

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near activity centers serve many needs,

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including um visitors to the center and

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local traders. Council works with

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community and traders to find a balance

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between um the needs of customers and

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staff.

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Question nine. Mr. Steven Edmunds

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submitted a question regarding the car

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park lighting at the Bow Morris

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Concourse Green asking, "I thank council

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for their work improving the green. I

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greatly appreciate the new toilet block

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is to be built away from the car park.

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It's a much safer spot on the edge of

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the green. I've worked at the concourse

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for 40 years and have seen many close

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incidents over the years involving cars,

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forklifts, and people using and walking

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around the existing toilet block. I have

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used it myself too and have had close

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calls with cars around the toilet block.

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Can you please advise on the sa second

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safety issue being a lack of car park

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lighting? Um, will this also be

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addressed in this approvement

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improvement project? My employees do not

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feel safe leaving accessing their cars

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in winter months when it's so dark.

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Response from the CEO.

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Thank you, Madame May. Um, public

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lighting is a key element of this

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project design. Improved public lighting

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um is proposed to be provided within the

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concourse green and the car park that

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runs between  North Concourse and Mos

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um Mosy Run.  light temperatures 

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will be light temperatures will be 

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warm white to minimize the impact on

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wildlife and preserve the night sky.

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Question 10. There were two further

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public questions received from the

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honorary um professor Jeannie Ree and

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Sally Gibson regarding ownership of

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Yalikut will nature reserve in

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accordance with chapter 2 division 6

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section 5712 of council's governance

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rules. Questions which are similar in

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nature may be grouped together and a

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single answer provided. The questions in

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their entirety have been provided to

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counselors for their information. The

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questions asked are there appear to be

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some debate over who actually owns the

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land which now encompasses the Yalikutm

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Nature Reserve, previously the Stenwick

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GF course. By what gazetted act or

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measure was crown ownership of the

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reserve transferred to council in 1924?

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and part B. It is generally accepted

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that governance all these years was

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guided by a committee of management

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until recently and in accordance with

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crown land management obligations and

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that official state land mapping

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presented in the GHD report of 2019 for

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Bayside Council clearly indicates the

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reserve status as clown crown land.

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Would this not indicate that council and

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the associated invisid committee of

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management are the managers and not the

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owners of the reserve? I will now ask

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the CEO to provide a collective response

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to these questions.

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Thank you madam Mayor. In response to

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part A, the land um records council as

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the joint registered proprietor fee

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simple interest in the park. The

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ownership of Bayside City Council along

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with the Board of Land and Works of

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Melbourne was made possible through a

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crown grant dated 31 December 1881 and

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 the registered title. The land was

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previously reserved um by Gazette  in

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1872, but the title itself um comes from

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the 1881 Crown Grant.

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In relation to part B, the title to the

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park clearly records Bayside City

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Council and the Board of Land and Works

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of Melbourne hold a registered fee

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simple interest in the park subject to

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conditions both um being that both

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registered proprietors continue to be

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illegal to be legal entities and the

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land continues to be used for public

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open space. Accordingly, a committee of

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management arrangement is not required

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as the land is already subject to direct

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ownership and management arrangements by

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the registered proprietors.

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Thank you. Question 11. Miss Louisa

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Damra  submitted a question regarding

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vegetation ecological classes asking the

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council's master plan for the reserve

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refers to four ecological vegetation

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classes by name.  so t sorry marsh

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aquatic herband grassy woodland and

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natural damp grasslands. None of these

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remnant or target EVCs contain coast

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banks and yet they have been planted at

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high densities in the southern wetlands.

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Question um A, what prompted the

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decision to plant coast banksia despite

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this not aligning with the master plan

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and target vegetation communities? Part

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B, does the council refer to the master

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plan when making decisions such as

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species selection? Response from the

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CEO.

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Thank you, Madame Mayor. In response to

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part A, the question incorrectly

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represents the master plan, which

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outlines that three EVC um sees were

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present on site once the old golf course

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was closed and highlights how natural

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damp grasslands could be recreated. A

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master plan is a high level concept that

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influences future design and detailed

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design work. Approximately 19 um or

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1,900 trees are being planted as part of

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council's work to create the southern

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wetland. 1% um will be coastal banks.

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The majority of the coastal banks have

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been planted on the silder street 

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perimeter. In response to part B, yes,

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the master plan outlines high level

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concepts and future intent for the site.

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Detailed design will refine the details

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before any works are undertaken.

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Question 12. Miss Pat Spetler submitted

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a question regarding transparency and

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accountability in relation to the

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reserve asking there have been many 

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recent worries by members of the public

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about the lack of transparency and

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accountability within Bayside Council

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relating to the management of the

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reserve. eg tree removals, nest box rem

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removals, log removals, rock removals.

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As a display of goodwill, are there any

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concerns that council acknowledges um

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and what measures have been taken to

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prevent such future breaches of public

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trust?

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Thank you, Madame Mayor. There are

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extensive answers to many frequent asked

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questions on council's website which

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provide reference to a range of 

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project bulletins. Also, when necessary,

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council has responded to misinformation

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that has been shared by external third

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parties regarding the yellum nature

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reserve via official statements posted

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online.

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Thank you. That concludes public

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question time. The questions and

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responses read out will be published in

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the minutes. All questions, including

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any not read out, will be responded to

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in writing. Thank you.

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So, moving on to section seven,

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petitions to council. We have a number

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of petitions this evening. So, 7.1,

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petition for council to install a pump

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park in Wick Park. , can I have a

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mover, please?

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Happy to m.

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Okay, so councelor

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Lee and seconded councelor Elm Malam. So

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all those in favor, councelor Murray,

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Elmoalam, Lee McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor

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Haynes, and so it is carried.

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 the next two items, petitions concern

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um petitions and joint letter in

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relation to the redevelopment of Bow

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Morris Concourse Green. It should be

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noted that a report will be considered

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later at the agenda to award a contract

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for construction of a toilet shelter and

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park upgrades. Um the petitions referred

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to will also be um answered by the CEO

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um at a later date as well in writing.

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So they've been received and they will

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be regarded. So, , the first petition

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for council to stop building a toilet

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block and concrete paths on the Bow

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Morris concourse green. , can I have a

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mover for this petition to be moved,

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please? Thank you, Councelor McIntosh.

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And a seconder,

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Councelor Murray. All those in favor,

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Councelor Murray, Elma Wall, Lee,

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McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor Haynes. And so

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it is carried.

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7.3 Joint letter of support for the

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redevelopment of the Bo Morris Concourse

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Green.  can I have a mover, please?

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Councelor El Malam. Thank you. And a

00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:01.255
seconder, Councelor McIntosh. All those

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in favor, councelor Murray, Elmoalam,

00:26:04.159 --> 00:26:06.775
Lee McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor Haynes, and

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so it is carried.

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Okay. So, moving on to section 8 and

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nine of the agenda. any minutes of

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advisory committees or reports by

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special committees are noted now within

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the governance report in 10.1.

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 so

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that concludes that section. Um

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councilors given the public interest in

00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:34.456
 in the item it has been proposed to

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move the consideration of the notices of

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.496
motion  forward in the agenda to

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consider them at this time. Is there a

00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.176
motion to reorder the the business?

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Thank you, Councelor McIntosh. And a

00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:50.520
seconder, Councelor Murray. So, all

00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.255
those in favor, councelor Murray, Elmo,

00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.655
Lee, McIntosh,

00:26:55.679 --> 00:26:58.679
Hockley, are you in favor? Thank you.

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And Taylor Haynes. And so it is carried.

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So, , ladies and gentlemen, we will

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move to the notices of motion that's

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currently set for the end of the agenda.

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.960
um to now. So moving on to items section

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13 notices of motion 13.1

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376 Yalit will nature reserve.

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So councelor Hockley do you wish to move

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.255
your notice of motion as printed and

00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.056
displayed on the screen? Yes, madame me.

00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:34.456
Thank you. And is there a seconder?

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Councelor McIntosh. Councelor Hockley, do

00:27:37.760 --> 00:27:39.255
you wish to debate

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briefly?

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, thanks um, Madame Mayor. Look, um,

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this should be a fairly straightforward

00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.056
, matter, but for some reason or

00:27:50.080 --> 00:27:53.080
another um, it it's it's not. , and

00:27:53.760 --> 00:27:56.216
there is a whole lot of misinformation

00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.240
about the nature of what has happened.

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Just by way of background, it's worth

00:28:01.360 --> 00:28:03.416
noting and this may or may not be

00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.440
related um to the issue, but some time

00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.936
ago, and I'm not entirely sure of the

00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:10.856
date, Mr. Verko may be able to clarify

00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.096
this, council sought independent

00:28:13.120 --> 00:28:15.255
professional advice on whether growling

00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.015
grass frogs could be introduced into the

00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.496
nature reserve. The answer at that time

00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:21.336
was that the reserve was not yet

00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:23.416
suitable habitat that it wasn't it

00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.056
didn't have stable and sustainable um

00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:28.456
wetlands and in any case growling grass

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.096
frogs were not a target species in the

00:28:31.120 --> 00:28:33.176
habitat and flora strategy which has

00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.200
been a document of council for some time

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.279
along the way frogs appeared

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 and the the reality is that I'm not

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.535
at liberty

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.496
to talk about the investigation which

00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:53.496
ensued. I've been advised by lawyers

00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:55.655
that it's unwise given that an

00:28:55.679 --> 00:28:57.976
investigation continues

00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.000
 to talk about how we know and what we

00:29:01.760 --> 00:29:04.760
know about the introduction of frogs um

00:29:06.320 --> 00:29:09.320
to  the Yakalot will yell at Willm

00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:11.576
Nature Reserve.

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Despite that, we now have

00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:17.736
a series of responses

00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:20.760
from I presume the leadership  of the

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.440
Elicate Willm Nature Association who

00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.559
dissemble this whole problem

00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:31.080
 and regard it as something of a joke.

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And as a consequence, it's really

00:29:34.159 --> 00:29:36.775
necessary, I believe, to st to put a

00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.696
stake in the ground as council and say

00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.296
we don't regard this as a joke. It's a

00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:41.496
crime.

00:29:41.520 --> 00:29:43.816
the um

00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:46.840
the  flora and fauna

00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:49.976
um

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.000
act which governs the move the the

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.816
movement or the the  the habitat of

00:29:55.840 --> 00:29:57.336
threatened and endangered species and

00:29:57.360 --> 00:29:58.775
growling grass frogs and endangered

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species in Victoria.

00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:04.056
 provides for penalties of up to

00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:05.976
$49,000

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.000
for um the interference with  with

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:11.895
threatened or endangered species, two

00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:14.456
years imprisonment, and what we know is

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.056
that there are two separate offenses

00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:19.080
that have occurred on this occasion.

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Regardless of that, you only have to go

00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:24.600
to Facebook, and I try not to as much as

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.096
I possibly can, but it's so compelling.

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And you you can read  over the course

00:30:30.399 --> 00:30:33.015
of various different posts that the

00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.496
frogs found their own way there. The

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:38.216
frogs are happy. There's no harm done.

00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.296
The law is wrong, outdated, and

00:30:40.320 --> 00:30:43.320
irrelevant. And relocating the frogs is

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.176
illegal and would be trans traumatic and

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.135
injurious to the frogs. I'm intrigued by

00:30:48.159 --> 00:30:50.535
these responses and they they appear to

00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.559
be a consistent theme

00:30:53.600 --> 00:30:56.375
 across the response that we get to

00:30:56.399 --> 00:30:58.936
this issue from the elicate will of

00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:00.775
nature association.

00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.936
 and frankly it's just not good

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.960
enough. What this motion does is ask

00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:09.080
officers for advice on the best way to

00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:12.600
deal with what is um a criminal act

00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:16.360
where we know what happened. We know

00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.856
when it happened, we know where it

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.736
happened. We just don't know who did it.

00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:23.736
Somebody must know and as a consequence

00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:25.576
I I believe a reward needs to be offered

00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:27.736
to encourage people to come forward and

00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:30.456
actually deal with the crime as a crime

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.176
and not a joke.

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:33.895
Thank you.

00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:36.216
Thank you, Councelor Hockley. Councelor

00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.135
McIntosh, just before you debate,

00:31:38.159 --> 00:31:41.096
Councelor McIntosh, I'd like to um

00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:43.096
acknowledge the presence of Councelor

00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:45.495
Irlichtt in the chamber. Thank you,

00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.519
Councelor McIntosh.

00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:51.895
Thank you, Madame Mayor. In the last

00:31:51.919 --> 00:31:53.495
week or so, I've been doing some reading

00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.655
on a project described in the journal

00:31:55.679 --> 00:31:58.679
Ecological Management and Restoration. A

00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.696
really exciting project which involves

00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.535
the reintroduction of growling grass

00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.456
frogs to the Winon wetlands in northern

00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.535
Victoria. No doubt some of you might be

00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.775
aware of this project. Growling grass

00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.696
frogs were last recorded at the site in

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.015
1970, so had been extinct in the area

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.416
for some decades. The reintroduction

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.440
project commenced in about 2017. Just a

00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.216
brief overview of some of what was

00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.375
involved here. an initial feasibility

00:32:22.399 --> 00:32:23.895
study which determined that it was

00:32:23.919 --> 00:32:25.816
theoretically possible to establish a

00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:28.616
new population at Winon wetlands. Next,

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.135
development of the quarantine and

00:32:30.159 --> 00:32:32.616
captive breeding facilities, procedures,

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.535
protocols, and the acquiring of licenses

00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.696
and permits from the relevant regulatory

00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.856
bodies on gaining permits for

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.176
reintroduction. Part of the strong case

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.096
required here to obtain the necessary

00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:45.736
transllocation permit via Victorian

00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:48.696
legislation and the EPBC Act referral

00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.096
included, but was not limited to

00:32:51.120 --> 00:32:53.336
evidence that removing a cohort from a

00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:55.576
source population would not harm that

00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:57.976
population, provision of an appropriate

00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.976
captive breeding and quarantine facility

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.296
on site, as well as evidence of threat

00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:04.616
reduction or mitigation and suitable

00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:06.375
habitat at the target wild release

00:33:06.399 --> 00:33:08.696
sites. Studies were also done on the

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.375
background genetics required for the

00:33:10.399 --> 00:33:12.375
breeding program and then the launch of

00:33:12.399 --> 00:33:14.936
task force Growler, a community-driven

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.775
alliance between members of the public,

00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.775
wetland scientists, and land and water

00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:20.696
managers across the region working

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.255
together in a coordinated effort. In

00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.576
around 2023 24 there was the

00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:27.576
transllocation of the first cohort from

00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:29.096
the source site to the on-site

00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:32.120
quarantine laboratory in March 2023 with

00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.936
that cohort softreleased into an outdoor

00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.960
breeding facility in October 2023 and so

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.535
on. It was considered that the return of

00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.936
the growling grass frog described as a

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.336
large charismatic species would be a

00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:47.495
major step forward towards restoring the

00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.176
ecological function of the wetland

00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.576
ecosystem and noted that its earlier

00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:53.096
loss from the area would likely have

00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.696
contributed to the decline of other

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.696
native species, particularly birds that

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.015
once prayed on them. As such, I

00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.255
absolutely understand the excitement and

00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.176
the love in the community generated by

00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:04.856
the appearance of growling grass frogs

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.176
at Yalikat Willam and the desire to do

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.855
everything possible to care for and

00:34:08.879 --> 00:34:11.016
protect this beautiful and vulnerable

00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:13.976
species at the reserve. There is however

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.895
a stark contrast between the

00:34:15.919 --> 00:34:18.296
meticulously considered, planned and

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.055
monitored works overseen by

00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.655
herpatologists and other relevant

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.135
experts to reintroduce the species to

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.296
the winon wetlands and what has happened

00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.016
at Yalikut will. the investigation into

00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:31.095
the unexpected arrival of growling grass

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.655
frogs at the reserve in 2024, which

00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.895
included a series of surveys confirming

00:34:35.919 --> 00:34:38.536
the presence of around a hundred frogs,

00:34:38.560 --> 00:34:40.615
a quarter of whom exhibited injuries

00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.639
consistent with poor human handling. It

00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:44.936
would appear that the frogs were

00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.335
unlawfully taken by unknown persons from

00:34:47.359 --> 00:34:50.359
wetlands nearby and Caroline Springs. So

00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:53.736
no feasibility studies, no permits, no

00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.895
consideration of the impact of taking a

00:34:55.919 --> 00:34:57.496
significant number of this vulnerable

00:34:57.520 --> 00:35:00.456
species from the source populations.

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.456
What happened here was a crime against

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.856
the state's wildlife act. And while this

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.016
act may not be perfect in protecting

00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:09.256
wildlife from harm, ignoring this law

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.496
should not be condoned. This was not

00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:13.176
simply a case of a couple of frogs

00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:15.656
hitching a ride on aquatic plants or by

00:35:15.680 --> 00:35:18.296
other means as has been speculated by

00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.256
some. I realize that this act was likely

00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.575
committed by persons who had good intent

00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.656
in wanting to see growling grass frogs

00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:28.536
flourish at the reserve frogs, sorry.

00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.616
But this is not okay and know that there

00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.616
are people concerned at what appears to

00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:35.640
be an ill-conceived DIY reing project,

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.616
no matter how ludable the intent was

00:35:38.640 --> 00:35:41.016
here. As such, I do support councelor

00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:42.696
Hockley's motion to look into supporting

00:35:42.720 --> 00:35:45.256
the Crimestoppers investigation. If what

00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.335
has happened here is not taken seriously

00:35:47.359 --> 00:35:49.736
by council, who knows? we may end up

00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.575
seeing other new surprise wildlife

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.416
residents appear at Yalik at Willm.

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.176
Thank you, Madame Mayor.

00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:58.055
Thank you, Councelor McIntosh. Um before

00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.456
we continue with more debate, I'd also

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.616
like to um acknowledge the presence of

00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:05.016
former Mayor  Lawrence Evans in the

00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:07.815
chamber, too. Thank you.  who else

00:36:07.839 --> 00:36:09.256
would like to talk to them?

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:09.896
Question.

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.216
Question. Councelor Lee, please put the

00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:15.240
mic on and stand. Thank you. Um as I

00:36:15.839 --> 00:36:17.496
understand it these the ponds or

00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:18.936
whatever you want to call it call them

00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.496
the wetlands that we have are they are

00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:24.520
are they all weather water or they dry

00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:28.040
at certain times of the year and if so u

00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.416
is that do we know what the answer of

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.256
that is because I think if there's no

00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.095
water there I'm concerned about what

00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.119
happens to the frogs that's all

00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.776
so through the chair the chain of ponds

00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.856
has been constructed to be able to be

00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.536
dried out and full water mimicking the

00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:46.055
the natural seasons is the general

00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.079
intent.

00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.736
Thank you. Any further debate? Councelor

00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.575
McIntosh, can you turn your mic off,

00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.599
please? Councelor Irlichtt.

00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:01.656
Thank you very much, Madame Mayor, and

00:37:01.680 --> 00:37:04.456
thank you to everyone who's come  in

00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.856
relation to this and the next motion.

00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.776
Before I start, I I would like to say

00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.016
hello to my daughter, Chloe,  who's

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:13.335
watching tonight. Um, I got to say she

00:37:13.359 --> 00:37:15.976
heard a lot of talk about  the frogs

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.296
over the last few days and she

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.575
particularly likes frogs and I want to

00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.599
show you she There you go. That's from

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.296
my seven-year-old daughter. So there you

00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.016
go, Chloe who's watching tonight. , in

00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:32.040
any case, um, Madame May, look, I just

00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:34.296
want to say a few words as to why I

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.776
support this particular motion. And I

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.055
think it's important to understand that

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.976
this is not about speculation and we're

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.736
not prejudging the outcome of any

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.496
investigation. That's a really important

00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:45.575
point to make.

00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.176
 look, the alleged illegal

00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:49.016
transllication of the growling grass

00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:50.776
frogs, Madame May, it's it's a matter

00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:51.976
currently being investigated by the

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.055
relevant state authorities. We're not

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.616
actually investigating this ourselves.

00:37:56.640 --> 00:37:58.696
Um, it's been publicly identified as a

00:37:58.720 --> 00:37:59.896
potential criminal offense and

00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:02.536
Crimestoppers itself has appealed for

00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:04.536
information from the community and

00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:07.176
that's mutually exclusive to Bayside

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:09.176
City Council, right? Nothing to do with

00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:11.656
us. Um, I think as a council we've got

00:38:11.680 --> 00:38:13.335
an obligation to support the rule of law

00:38:13.359 --> 00:38:14.856
and to cooperate with the appropriate

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.416
authorities when serious allegations of

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.216
unlawful conduct are under investigation

00:38:20.240 --> 00:38:22.936
by the appropriate authorities.

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.960
Um I think that supporting Crimestoppers

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.536
 and considering a reward is entirely

00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:31.256
consistent with that obligation. Now

00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.176
really important it's not about assuming

00:38:33.200 --> 00:38:35.575
 assigning any blame. It's about

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:36.936
encouraging people with relevant

00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.936
information to come forward  if they

00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.536
want so the facts can be established

00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:41.896
through through the proper legal

00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.136
process. And if no wrongdoing has

00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:46.055
occurred which may well be the case then

00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.376
the investigation will establish that.

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:49.976
And if an offense has been committed,

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.976
then you know those responsible may or

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.736
may not be held accountable. That's up

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.736
to the investigators. And I think that

00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.736
supporting this motion, all it does it

00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.760
it sort of um simply reinforces

00:39:01.839 --> 00:39:04.536
council's commitment to lawful process,

00:39:04.560 --> 00:39:06.216
environmental protection, and the

00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:08.776
integrity of public decision making. And

00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.936
for those reasons, I support this

00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.696
motion. Thank you.

00:39:12.720 --> 00:39:15.335
Thank you, Councelor Irlicht. Any further

00:39:15.359 --> 00:39:18.359
debate? Councelor Lee.

00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.136
Yes. So, thank you, Madame May. Can I

00:39:20.160 --> 00:39:22.216
say I also support the motion because I

00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:25.240
think we have laws and I don't care

00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:27.896
whether the law is about you driving a

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.376
car somewhere or the protection of

00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.400
wildlife  whatever it may be. And in

00:39:33.520 --> 00:39:36.520
my opinion, when um someone  doesn't

00:39:37.040 --> 00:39:39.815
aby the law, I think it's a really good

00:39:39.839 --> 00:39:41.575
idea that we actually prosecute them if

00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.896
we can find out. And frankly, I also

00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.815
support councelor Hockley's

00:39:45.839 --> 00:39:47.976
recommendation that we actually put a

00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.456
reward out there. And I hope that if we

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.536
find who's responsible that they are

00:39:52.560 --> 00:39:55.095
actually prosecuted as the best we can

00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.976
in the law. I think anybody who's going

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000
to remove animals from one site of an to

00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:03.496
another site without the approval of

00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:06.055
either the state and indeed if they may

00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.536
harm them in some form as it's been

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:11.416
described by councelor Hockley. I think

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.416
that's not being an environmentalist who

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.575
cares about what happens. That's being

00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.656
someone who's been selfish and doesn't

00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:19.896
look towards the interest of the animals

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.776
concerned. So, as I understand it, these

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.800
animals, the the frogs came from two

00:40:26.160 --> 00:40:28.616
places as we've been told. And all I can

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:31.640
say is that um I think anybody who's

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:35.240
been involved in this and a frogs or

00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.335
have been hurt or damaged or whatever 

00:40:39.359 --> 00:40:42.296
I hope someone comes forward and claims

00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.456
the reward and that they're prosecuted

00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.616
to the full extent of the law. And I I

00:40:46.640 --> 00:40:49.016
also would suggest that I I like like to

00:40:49.040 --> 00:40:51.575
think that in the end of this we should

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.256
report this to the federal authorities

00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.896
that are responsible for them. and  I

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.976
hope they get the book thrown at them if

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.216
if someone has actually taken wildlife

00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:03.240
from somewhere else illegally.

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.176
Thank you. Any further debate from the

00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:10.200
floor? Councelor Elma Wallam.

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:12.616
So a few words, Madame Mayor. Um from

00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:14.456
what I understand and my discussion with

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.416
Councelor Hockley, I believe at its core

00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.136
this motion is really not about frogs,

00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:22.776
politics or competing views about

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.856
environmental management.

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.176
It's really much simpler than this. It's

00:41:27.200 --> 00:41:29.976
about the rule of law.

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.896
The conservation regulator is

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.335
investigating, as we heard, the

00:41:33.359 --> 00:41:35.575
suspected illegal capture and relocation

00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.599
of the growing grass frogs. A threatened

00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.856
species protected under the Victorian

00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.496
law. So whether someone believed they

00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:46.295
were helping nature is not the point

00:41:46.319 --> 00:41:49.256
here. None of us get to decide which

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.280
laws apply to us and which do not.

00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:55.575
Environmental outcomes matter.

00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.456
Conservation matters, but so does

00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.376
following the lawful processes that

00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.335
exist to protect wildlife,

00:42:03.359 --> 00:42:06.359
ecosystems, and the broader community.

00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.376
So if individuals can simply take

00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.696
protected species from one location and

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:12.216
move them elsewhere without

00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:14.856
authorization, then we undermine the

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.936
very framework designed to safeguard

00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.176
biodiversity.

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:20.936
The alleged removal of frogs from the

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.960
wetlands in Windham and Maltton may also

00:42:24.160 --> 00:42:26.856
have impacted source populations created

00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.656
biocurity risk and exposed the animals

00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:32.136
themselves to harm.

00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:34.216
These are precisely the reasons why

00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:36.295
wildlife transllocations require

00:42:36.319 --> 00:42:38.856
permits, scientific assessment and

00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.616
oversight.

00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:43.256
This motion sends a clear message that

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.896
no matter how well-intentioned someone

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.776
may claim to be, unlawful activity

00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.800
cannot be ignored simply because it

00:42:51.839 --> 00:42:54.376
occurs in the name of environmental

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.696
activism.

00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:59.095
Supporting Crimestoppers appeal is a

00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.119
practical and responsible step.

00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:04.216
If offenses have occurred, those

00:43:04.240 --> 00:43:06.136
responsible should be identified and

00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:08.696
held accountable through the appropriate

00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:10.856
legal processes.

00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.656
I believe that is fair and it is the

00:43:13.680 --> 00:43:15.656
right of every resident, volunteer,

00:43:15.680 --> 00:43:18.616
organization and government authority to

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:21.016
expect that we all operate within the

00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:23.976
law and the same standard should apply

00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.536
here. As councilors, we have

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:28.376
responsibility to support lawful

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.095
behavior and to protect the integrity of

00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.575
one of Bayside's most significant

00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.216
projects. We should encourage anyone

00:43:36.240 --> 00:43:37.656
with relevant information to come

00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:39.896
forward. I commend Councelor Hockley on

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.456
this motion and for this reason I'm

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.335
supporting it.

00:43:45.359 --> 00:43:48.136
Thank you, Councelor Elma. Any further

00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:51.160
debate? I'll say a few words, too. Um,

00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.440
an unlawful activity has taken place on

00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.800
council land. A cruel activity in my

00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.575
opinion has taken place on council land

00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.599
where 25% of these endangered  frogs

00:44:06.319 --> 00:44:08.776
species have not survived. They have not

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.656
thrived. They are not all doing well. We

00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:14.680
have a responsibility to to council to

00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:17.575
our local community to do the right

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.136
thing here. So yes, I too support this

00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:22.616
motion.  councelor Hockley, you have a

00:44:22.640 --> 00:44:24.536
right of reply.

00:44:24.560 --> 00:44:26.856
 thank you Madame Mayor. I won't take

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.176
up any more time. I think my fellow

00:44:29.200 --> 00:44:32.200
councilors have eloquently put the case

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.776
um in fact better than I could. But I

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.800
think the reality is that if we don't as

00:44:37.839 --> 00:44:39.575
a council

00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.456
take a pause and say

00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.480
the key thing for any of us to

00:44:45.839 --> 00:44:47.335
acknowledge

00:44:47.359 --> 00:44:50.055
 that we are here to do is to ensure

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.536
that we govern there is governance.

00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:55.256
there are rule there is a rule of law

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.280
and that we observe the rules as we do

00:44:58.640 --> 00:45:00.856
as we go about our business because when

00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.736
we don't  we create all sorts of

00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.295
problems for ourselves down the track.

00:45:06.319 --> 00:45:08.616
This was a reckless act, whoever did it.

00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:11.416
And I simply um point out that what

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.335
we're asking or what we what we may be

00:45:13.359 --> 00:45:15.896
deciding to do tonight in supporting

00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.536
this motion is simply to request a

00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:21.560
report from officers to say what do you

00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.976
what in your professional view is the

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.936
best way to provide an incentive

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.960
to try and solve  this crime? Really,

00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.960
it's a shadow that hangs over

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:36.456
the entire

00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.480
reserve in the sense that it was such an

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.616
unnecessary and reckless act. And to

00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:45.256
continue to celebrate it without

00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.016
acknowledging that it was the result of

00:45:47.040 --> 00:45:50.040
an illegal act to me um speaks volumes

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.616
for the leadership of Yorna and their

00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:54.136
fundamental

00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:56.136
 lack of appreciation of the

00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:59.160
importance of governance and laws.

00:46:00.319 --> 00:46:02.536
Thank you, councelor Hockley. Let's put

00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:04.856
this to the vote. All those in favor of

00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.880
the motion. So, councelor Irlicht, Murray,

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.936
Elmo, Lee, McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor,

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.960
Haynes. And so, it is carried.

00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.960
Item 13.2, notice of motion 377, Yalut

00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:22.216
William Nature Association. Councelor

00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:24.136
Hockley, do you wish to move your notice

00:46:24.160 --> 00:46:26.616
of motion as printed and displayed on

00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:28.776
the screen? I do. Madame Mayor,

00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.800
is there a seconder?

00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:35.815
Okay. Thank you. Councelor Murray.

00:46:35.839 --> 00:46:37.896
Councelor Hockley, do you wish to

00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:38.936
debate?

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.960
Thank you, Madame May.

00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:45.560
This is for the volunteers.

00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:48.680
And regardless of um of how you feel

00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.656
about that,

00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:53.416
one of the things that happened this

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.440
week after this motion was um was

00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.960
released with the agenda  is that

00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:04.520
among the many cut and paste emails that

00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:07.095
I received and my fellow council has

00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.256
received, there were a number of very

00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.575
thoughtful messages from people who

00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.599
chose to make to write a personal note

00:47:14.640 --> 00:47:17.640
to me and not slamming me or criticizing

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.736
me or or or saying what a terrible

00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.760
person I was, but simply asking why.

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.256
And what I said to a number of those

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.280
people is what I say tonight.

00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.280
You are not being well led.

00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:39.160
Why it is necessary as an organization

00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:42.936
to question?

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.295
No, you may not.

00:47:44.319 --> 00:47:46.216
There's no debate from the floor. We've

00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:48.136
made that quite clear and you should

00:47:48.160 --> 00:47:50.216
know there as a formal counselor there's

00:47:50.240 --> 00:47:51.815
no debate from the floor. Councelor

00:47:51.839 --> 00:47:53.095
Hockley, please continue.

00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:54.456
Thank you, Madame May. Why it was

00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.095
necessary, why it remains necessary to

00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.119
question the ownership of the land is a

00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:02.856
complete mystery to me. Robert, if we

00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.736
may have on the screen just the CEO read

00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.760
out the details of the title  in the

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.815
question time, but it's a complete

00:48:11.839 --> 00:48:14.456
mystery to me why it is necessary for

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.696
this to be an issue as if somehow or

00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:19.720
other control of the land was the issue.

00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.136
What is it that the leadership of Ya

00:48:22.160 --> 00:48:24.696
actually wants by questioning the

00:48:24.720 --> 00:48:25.976
ownership of the land?

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.295
Collaboration.

00:48:28.319 --> 00:48:30.696
Thank you.

00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:33.720
The second so effectively for whatever

00:48:34.720 --> 00:48:37.656
reason volunteers and thank you for the

00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:39.176
work you do. I'll talk a little bit more

00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.896
about volunteering in a moment.

00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.920
Thank you for the work you do

00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:48.200
but recognize that you are being misled

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.335
at almost every turn.

00:48:51.359 --> 00:48:53.736
Here is the title of the land. It's been

00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.176
in the possession of the city of

00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:57.656
Brighton, now the city of Bayside, since

00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:00.680
1881.

00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:02.295
The second way that you're being misled

00:49:02.319 --> 00:49:04.456
and I I got this.

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:06.616
I got this.

00:49:06.640 --> 00:49:08.856
I got this.

00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.136
So wrong.

00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:12.376
Thank you. No debate from the floor. Can

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.456
we please pause a moment? Councelor Hop,

00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.776
please.

00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:17.896
Good.

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.736
Can you please take your seat or leave

00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.760
the chambers? Yeah. Thank you.

00:49:23.520 --> 00:49:25.496
If anyone else would like to take leave

00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:27.335
right now, here is your opportunity.

00:49:27.359 --> 00:49:30.359
There is to be no debate from the floor.

00:49:30.720 --> 00:49:33.720
Say hello to the frogs for me.

00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:37.160
Please leave the chamber now.

00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:42.696
Leave the chamber now. Otherwise, you

00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:45.720
will be escorted.

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.760
How come you can respond like that?

00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:52.696
So

00:49:52.720 --> 00:49:55.656
madame may the the second area which

00:49:55.680 --> 00:49:57.815
where there is the um where where there

00:49:57.839 --> 00:50:00.839
is a patent and egregious misleading and

00:50:01.359 --> 00:50:03.256
and distortion of the facts is this

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.176
question of mediation.

00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:07.896
So the relationship between your order

00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.496
and council has been better in the past.

00:50:09.520 --> 00:50:10.936
You can draw your own conclusions about

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.496
what's changed now. But mediation was

00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:15.335
first suggested by the city of Bayside

00:50:15.359 --> 00:50:18.216
on the 21st of October 2025. It was

00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:21.240
declined on the 24th of November 2025.

00:50:21.520 --> 00:50:24.055
On the 15th of May, it was again

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.055
declined after we offered our own

00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:27.656
mediator.

00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:30.680
And then on the 18th of June this year,

00:50:32.160 --> 00:50:34.936
Ya was asked to suggest a mediator. They

00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.960
did. The details were provided to us and

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.696
we have proposed

00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:43.656
 or are about to propose to Yorna that

00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:46.616
we will undertake mediation with their

00:50:46.640 --> 00:50:49.496
choice of mediator  as soon as

00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:51.736
practicable.

00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.896
But frankly,

00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.656
if you listen to any of the leadership

00:50:55.680 --> 00:50:57.815
of YA, mediation's never been spoken

00:50:57.839 --> 00:51:00.535
about. Mediation's never been on  on

00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.216
the menu. It's been discussed since

00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:05.240
October last year.

00:51:05.680 --> 00:51:08.136
Now as to the volunteers, one of the

00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:11.095
issues that I have with YA is that as

00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:14.119
volunteers, it seems as though there is

00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:17.176
a fundamental difference between the way

00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:20.136
in which you um you see us as a council

00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:21.896
and the way in which the 17 other

00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.376
friends of groups in Bayside work with

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.335
us and have over decades

00:51:27.359 --> 00:51:29.976
to manage and steward the thousands or

00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.000
the hundreds of hectares across.

00:51:33.040 --> 00:51:35.736
Would you like a motion for extension of

00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.295
time? Councelor Hockley, Councelor um

00:51:38.319 --> 00:51:40.295
Erllet. Thank you, Councelor Murray. All

00:51:40.319 --> 00:51:42.456
those in favor, councelor Irlicht, Murray,

00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.416
Elmo, Alam, Lee, McIntosh, Taylor Haynes,

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.440
and so it is carried.

00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:50.535
So, look, I'm I'm happy to wear this

00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.055
appropriate. The reality is I

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.656
fundamentally believe what I'm doing is

00:51:53.680 --> 00:51:55.016
right because there are literally

00:51:55.040 --> 00:51:57.095
hundreds of volunteers

00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.936
 across the city of Bayside who work

00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.936
in the friends of groups and many of

00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.456
them who are looking at this stream

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.480
tonight wondering why it is so necessary

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.760
for this anger for this antipathy for

00:52:09.040 --> 00:52:11.896
this abuse to continue when we are

00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.535
trying to put together a reserve of the

00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:16.456
kind that will last for generations and

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.480
be and and be proud of. I'm at a loss to

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:21.496
understand what it is that we've done

00:52:21.520 --> 00:52:24.520
that is so bad. So at some stage, please

00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.216
explain, but do it with a mediator. We

00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:30.055
are willing to sit down. We have been

00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:33.016
since October last year. Stop with the

00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:36.040
the angst and the antipathy. Really.

00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:37.496
Thank you.

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:40.520
So do we. So do we.

00:52:41.040 --> 00:52:44.040
Your leaders are lying to you.

00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.136
Councelor Murray.

00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:46.776
They are.

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.800
Councelor Murray.

00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.280
Thank you.

00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.880
Thank you um councelor Hockley and I

00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.776
affirm your comments. Could you speak

00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:05.896
up?

00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.920
The William Nature Reserve is a vital

00:53:09.200 --> 00:53:11.575
public asset and as one constituent put

00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.599
it in an email to probably all of us

00:53:14.720 --> 00:53:16.535
counselors and I quote, "One of the

00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.055
greatest strengths of local government

00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:20.376
is the ability for residents to actively

00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:21.976
shape and care for their local

00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.616
environment. Volunteer organizations

00:53:24.640 --> 00:53:26.456
such as Yorna contribute thousands of

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.456
hours local knowledge and genuine

00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.776
passion. The reserve does indeed

00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.696
represent a treasured community asset,

00:53:32.720 --> 00:53:34.535
providing valuable services, bringing

00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.936
people together, and making a profound

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:38.456
contribution to the well-being,

00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.016
inclusion, and connectedness of local

00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:43.335
residents within and far beyond the

00:53:43.359 --> 00:53:46.216
borders of Bayside. And I salute the

00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.616
volunteers who give freely of their time

00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:50.776
and energy to engage with our beautiful

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.176
reserve and who no doubt benefit as much

00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:56.055
from their involvement as a volunteer as

00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:57.896
much as the reserve and the community as

00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.920
a whole benefits from their involvement.

00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.656
As we know, Bayside City Council is the

00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.055
owner and responsible body for Yalakut

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.696
will. So we are bound as council to

00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:11.496
ensure that all users of this space are

00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:13.335
protected and represented in the

00:54:13.359 --> 00:54:16.055
decision-making processes. This land is

00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.055
owned ultimately, it's owned ultimately

00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:21.079
by the community and not by any specific

00:54:21.359 --> 00:54:24.295
community group. environmental works

00:54:24.319 --> 00:54:25.656
undertaken within it should be

00:54:25.680 --> 00:54:28.055
transparent, evidence-based,

00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.295
appropriately authorized and compliant

00:54:30.319 --> 00:54:32.776
with relevant legislative and regulatory

00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.496
frameworks. These principles protect not

00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:37.736
only the ecological integrity of the

00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.575
reserve, but also the volunteers

00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.136
themselves it protects who generously

00:54:42.160 --> 00:54:45.160
contribute their time in good faith.

00:54:45.680 --> 00:54:48.680
This NOM is in part intended to sorry I

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.880
have just lost my place to seek greater

00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:54.776
transparency, governance and oversight

00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.776
of volunteer activities within the

00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.800
reserve and the leadership of Yorna owes

00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:02.920
this to the volunteers. It is fair to

00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.616
say that there has been a breakdown in

00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:06.696
the relationship between council and the

00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:09.720
yorn leadership team and I understand

00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.656
that there is a mediator I believe

00:55:11.680 --> 00:55:13.656
mutually acceptable who has been

00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:16.376
identified and we must swiftly move to

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.856
mediation and resolution of all

00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.656
outstanding issues. It is only then that

00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:24.216
we can move forward and implement a

00:55:24.240 --> 00:55:26.936
workable action plan. We all need to be

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.960
held to account. Council leadership and

00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.400
the leadership of Horna.

00:55:34.319 --> 00:55:37.319
Thank you, Councelor Murray.

00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.216
Any further debate from the floor?

00:55:40.240 --> 00:55:43.240
Councelor McIntosh.

00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.776
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Firstly, I

00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.376
would like to state again for the

00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.856
record, as I have raised in previous

00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:52.456
chamber meetings, my views on the

00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.616
volunteer community around the reserve.

00:55:54.640 --> 00:55:57.016
Volunteers have contributed many

00:55:57.040 --> 00:55:59.575
thousands of hours of work at Yalikit

00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.575
Willm over the years, doing valuable and

00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:03.815
sometimes backbreaking work, weeding,

00:56:03.839 --> 00:56:05.815
planting, surveying bird and insect

00:56:05.839 --> 00:56:08.136
life, monitoring water quality and water

00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:09.815
health, and teaching and engaging with

00:56:09.839 --> 00:56:11.976
locals in and outside of Bayside with

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.736
the intention of nurturing and improving

00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.896
the reserve to continue on a path to

00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.815
become an outstanding example of an

00:56:17.839 --> 00:56:20.696
urban biodiverse nature reserve for all

00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:23.335
in the community to enjoy. and Yoner.

00:56:23.359 --> 00:56:25.496
The association has been instrumental in

00:56:25.520 --> 00:56:28.136
those efforts and continues to do so.

00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:29.896
However, obviously, it has become

00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.815
abundantly clear that the relationship

00:56:31.839 --> 00:56:33.736
between council and Yoner is strained

00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.136
for a variety of reasons um and is

00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:38.616
currently in a very difficult place. As

00:56:38.640 --> 00:56:40.456
has also previously been discussed,

00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:41.976
there has been agreement to draft a

00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.736
terms of reference for a new advisory

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.736
committee for the reserve, which I still

00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.575
believe to be a good and important step

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.896
forward. At this point, simply holding

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.335
meetings between officers and

00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:53.575
association leads is unlikely to lead to

00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:56.136
a resolution of this, and mediation does

00:56:56.160 --> 00:56:58.376
seem to offer the most constructive path

00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.535
forward. So, I'm supportive of of doing

00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.095
this. Um, I would note that this NOM

00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.976
does not propose to shut down YER. Um,

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.216
activities in and around Ya's least shed

00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:10.295
and plant lab area are not referred to

00:57:10.319 --> 00:57:13.256
or affected by this to my understanding.

00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.976
Um I do note interestingly just

00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.136
understanding and acknowledging in

00:57:18.160 --> 00:57:21.160
Bayside our um our appreciation of

00:57:22.240 --> 00:57:24.456
volunteer activities across a range of

00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.016
areas and would refer to another item on

00:57:27.040 --> 00:57:28.696
tonight's agenda and that is the draft

00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:31.335
health and inclusion p plan strategic

00:57:31.359 --> 00:57:33.656
outcome 1.1 increase and strengthen

00:57:33.680 --> 00:57:35.176
participation opportunities for

00:57:35.200 --> 00:57:36.696
community connections and social

00:57:36.720 --> 00:57:38.775
networks and that opportunities like

00:57:38.799 --> 00:57:40.696
this on the reserve continue to be

00:57:40.720 --> 00:57:43.656
important for our community. However,

00:57:43.680 --> 00:57:45.416
transparency and accountability

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.815
governance of all of the associations of

00:57:47.839 --> 00:57:50.839
all of the properties  and um

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.896
buildings leased by council to various

00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.055
associations. We do require

00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:58.696
accountability  from all of those

00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:01.416
associations. I am supportive of that. I

00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.295
do have some concerns around particular

00:58:04.319 --> 00:58:07.319
 items in the NOM for example part A

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.216
which talks about  the purpose of the

00:58:10.240 --> 00:58:12.616
association being revised. I don't have

00:58:12.640 --> 00:58:14.376
a problem with that being reviewed but I

00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.055
do understand from feedback that there

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.696
is a a timing concern here in that that

00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:20.376
would take some time to convene a

00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.400
meeting and to to reook at that. Um so

00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.216
would prefer that that be taken into

00:58:26.240 --> 00:58:29.240
account. Um, I'll leave my deliberations

00:58:30.240 --> 00:58:32.696
there, but do  wish to see that

00:58:32.720 --> 00:58:35.256
relations would um be addressed through

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.280
the mediation process and that YAR and

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.335
council have the best opportunity to

00:58:41.359 --> 00:58:44.295
continue with this amazing project for

00:58:44.319 --> 00:58:46.376
the best outcomes for our community now

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.616
and into the future. Thank you.

00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:51.256
Thank you, Councelor McIntosh. Councelor

00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:52.696
Irlichtt.

00:58:52.720 --> 00:58:54.696
, thank you, Madame Mayor. Look, ,

00:58:54.720 --> 00:58:55.656
first thing I'd like to do is

00:58:55.680 --> 00:58:58.136
acknowledge everyone here, , and the

00:58:58.160 --> 00:58:59.896
many, many volunteers associated with

00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:02.920
Yorna. Um, and I think it's important to

00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:04.775
understand that whatever your individual

00:59:04.799 --> 00:59:07.416
views are on recent events, there's no

00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.656
doubt that many people, many here

00:59:09.680 --> 00:59:11.256
tonight have devoted countless hours to

00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:13.335
restoring and caring for this really

00:59:13.359 --> 00:59:15.095
important environmental asset. And we

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.016
must not forget that. And I think that

00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:19.176
commitment deserves recognition and

00:59:19.200 --> 00:59:22.200
respect. Um,

00:59:23.520 --> 00:59:26.055
I also welcome the fact  in relation

00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.376
to this motion that it expressly states

00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.095
that council intention is to continue

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.736
working constructively with Yorna to

00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:35.575
establish a revised terms of reference

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.535
in an annual action plan. Um, I think

00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:39.896
that look, it's really important that

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:41.416
our objective should not be to create

00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.575
division. Um it should be to rebuild

00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:45.976
confidence, strengthen governance and

00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.216
establish a clear framework that

00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:50.136
establish that allows our volunteers and

00:59:50.160 --> 00:59:53.160
council to work together collaboratively

00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.280
with mutual trust and accountability.

00:59:56.319 --> 00:59:57.656
 Madame Mayor, I just want to make a

00:59:57.680 --> 00:59:59.815
point that when I came to council, look,

00:59:59.839 --> 01:00:02.456
over the last almost two years, my

01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.856
entire focus and framework has shifted

01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:06.775
thanks to the good governance of our

01:00:06.799 --> 01:00:08.295
executive leadership team, to our chief

01:00:08.319 --> 01:00:10.055
executive officer in particular, and to

01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:11.656
our head of corporate governance in that

01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:13.416
they're quite solutions focused and I

01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.416
really appreciate that. And I think that

01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.736
we need to sort of adopt that solutions

01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.760
focused um  um model  to come up

01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.335
with a good outcome. And people talk

01:00:23.359 --> 01:00:25.335
about mediation, whatever it takes. I

01:00:25.359 --> 01:00:27.256
think we just need to sit down. All

01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.496
right. People have arguments. They have

01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:32.520
tiffs. That's okay. As long as we see a

01:00:32.640 --> 01:00:34.535
path forward where we can all be

01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.696
winners. And I think that's entirely not

01:00:36.720 --> 01:00:38.856
only possible that but that that's going

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.616
to happen. We need to be solutions

01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:43.335
focused. So in a way I guess you could

01:00:43.359 --> 01:00:45.416
reframe this as a silver lining this

01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.016
particular motion because it's probably

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:48.775
brought everything to a head so that we

01:00:48.799 --> 01:00:51.335
can actually take stock and think what

01:00:51.359 --> 01:00:52.936
do we need to do? we need to resolve

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.016
this to move forward together and but

01:00:55.040 --> 01:00:57.256
for this motion we'd probably still be

01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.216
grumbling along. Um so I think it's sort

01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:01.896
of um and it's great to see everyone

01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.616
here. What I would really like to see is

01:01:04.640 --> 01:01:06.856
um all of us sit down or you know the

01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.176
leadership team on both sides sit down

01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:11.016
and come up with a really really good

01:01:11.040 --> 01:01:13.575
solution whereby everybody is a winner

01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.256
and there's no reason that that can't be

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:18.280
the case. I'll leave it at that.

01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:21.656
Thank you, C. Sorry, no questions from

01:01:21.680 --> 01:01:24.680
the floor. Councelor Lee.

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.280
Thanks, Madame May. Look, um,

01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:33.880
when you get  lot very extensive, um,

01:01:34.799 --> 01:01:37.095
motions, sometimes you have a close look

01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.335
at them and you decide what's right and

01:01:39.359 --> 01:01:42.359
what's wrong. I think sitting here

01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.480
during this debate  has made me let's

01:01:46.240 --> 01:01:48.456
say alter my view a little bit because

01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.095
initially I wasn't sure about supporting

01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.736
this particular one. I think I will and

01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.815
the reason for that is and I agree with

01:01:55.839 --> 01:01:58.616
what councelor Erica is saying that I

01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:01.640
think um sound sound minds and sound

01:02:02.799 --> 01:02:05.416
head and sound heads should actually sit

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.136
down at this point and have a really

01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:09.976
serious discussion about what should

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.616
happen and what shouldn't happen. And I

01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:14.936
think um there are many people sitting

01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.960
here today um tonight who obviously have

01:02:18.640 --> 01:02:20.295
nothing but the good intentions of what

01:02:20.319 --> 01:02:22.376
happens in that park. There have been

01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.456
some people who have for whatever

01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.016
reasons thought that they had a better

01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:28.856
solution by running around and doing

01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.856
things differently.

01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.016
I I wasn't happy this mo this morning

01:02:33.040 --> 01:02:35.736
when I was told that um someone had

01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.976
referred to me from an issue that I had

01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:39.896
nothing to do with and I put an email

01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:41.815
back to them suggesting they pull it

01:02:41.839 --> 01:02:44.055
down because um if you want to defame me

01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.696
you'll find out what happens which you

01:02:46.720 --> 01:02:48.616
turn in the courts. So unfortunately the

01:02:48.640 --> 01:02:51.640
person pulled it down and  I take no

01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:54.295
further action but  I've decided I

01:02:54.319 --> 01:02:56.376
think I'm going to support it and I hope

01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.400
the motion and I hope the leadership of

01:02:59.520 --> 01:03:02.216
some of you sitting here tonight that

01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:04.535
you sit down with council the only thing

01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.256
we want and let's get this right. The

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.216
only thing we want is to make sure this

01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:13.240
facility actually is there for a long

01:03:13.359 --> 01:03:15.736
time in the future. I'm 73 and the one

01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.760
thing I have noticed over over my life

01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:21.095
there's two couple of things happen once

01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.335
something gets built over it never gets

01:03:23.359 --> 01:03:26.216
replaced. Secondly, when you see

01:03:26.240 --> 01:03:28.856
environmental things and I as a state MP

01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.736
was was  one of the handful of MPs

01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.656
that convinced Jeff Kennet to wipe out

01:03:33.680 --> 01:03:35.335
the scolop dredging in the bay because

01:03:35.359 --> 01:03:37.896
they were destroying the bay and to then

01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.920
that premier's um  well credit he

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:43.896
actually wiped it out. A following

01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.496
Liberal government tried to reinstitute

01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:47.095
it and I wasn't a member of parliament.

01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.095
I actually was one of the ones who felt

01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:50.696
blocked doing it from my own side of

01:03:50.720 --> 01:03:52.696
politics because I think I have

01:03:52.720 --> 01:03:54.456
grandchildren. I have children and you

01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.480
know what I have a responsibility to try

01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.599
and see the world being left by me

01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.496
better than I found it. I have always

01:04:03.520 --> 01:04:06.295
had the view I've said it like this on

01:04:06.319 --> 01:04:08.616
this planet I have a square meter of

01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:11.640
earth that I have responsible for. It's

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.376
my job to see that one square meter of

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.400
earth found better than I found it. So I

01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:20.535
think I hope everybody here in this

01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:22.856
room, both council and the people

01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:25.880
sitting here, you all, most of us have

01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.920
the same objective in place to create

01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.736
something that in 50 or 60 years when

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.416
we're all gone, people will look at it

01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.440
and think, "My god, whoever did that,

01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:38.456
they were really great. They were great.

01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.376
That we won't be remembered who did it.

01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.376
It doesn't matter. It's not the point of

01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.535
having a plaque somewhere. The point of

01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.015
this is is that we've had $10 million

01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.856
from the state government to clean clean

01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.775
up some of the waste water that would go

01:04:50.799 --> 01:04:53.575
to the bay. We have a great opportunity

01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.136
here to actually do it together. And I

01:04:56.160 --> 01:04:57.736
hope what happens out of councelor

01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.535
Hockley's motion that the head that that

01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.095
the those people in here who have one

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.416
objective and that is to let's get on

01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.575
with it and fix it properly so it works

01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:09.256
in the interest of the whole of the city

01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.176
of Bayside so it's a thing that's

01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:14.200
remembered in the future long past us.

01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.880
Thank you councelor Lee Councelor Elma.

01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:20.295
Madame Mayor I do have a number of

01:05:20.319 --> 01:05:22.295
questions and um I'll say a few words

01:05:22.319 --> 01:05:25.319
after it.  council asked a question

01:05:25.359 --> 01:05:27.575
about the chain of ponds and I think the

01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.976
response was that they were designed to

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.295
be dry in some seasons and then to

01:05:32.319 --> 01:05:34.856
contain water in other seasons. So 

01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.696
can I get confirmation if that is the

01:05:36.720 --> 01:05:38.535
case? Is it feasible for a growling

01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.559
grass frog to survive if these ponds dry

01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:44.680
out in certain seasons

01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:50.456
through the chair? So council is in the

01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:51.896
process of developing a grow and grass

01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:53.496
frog management plan at present that

01:05:53.520 --> 01:05:55.496
will  confirm exactly what are the

01:05:55.520 --> 01:05:57.256
management actions that are required to

01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.575
both dry out and ensure that there is

01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:01.496
sufficient water within the ponds to

01:06:01.520 --> 01:06:03.335
ensure the the viability of the

01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:06.359
population at the site.

01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:08.055
I I'll come back to this maybe towards

01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:09.815
the end before I debate. The second

01:06:09.839 --> 01:06:11.896
question is I believe we do have around

01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.920
17 friends off and volunteer groups that

01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.256
work on reserves and other areas in

01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.976
Bayside. Have we over the last I don't

01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.535
know 10 I've been on council 6 years I

01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.775
don't recall any mediation happening

01:06:24.799 --> 01:06:27.799
between us but was there at any stage a

01:06:27.839 --> 01:06:30.839
need to do mediation and  you know go

01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.216
through what we're going through tonight

01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:35.736
through you chair certainly not in the

01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:37.256
last six or seven years that I'm aware

01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:38.055
of.

01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.936
Okay.

01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.960
 how do we  how are we supposed to

01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:48.200
fill up these ponds and from what water

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.616
are we supposed to fill up the ponds if

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:52.136
we need to fill them up? What's what's

01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:55.160
the process there?

01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:58.696
So through the chair the chain of ponds

01:06:58.720 --> 01:06:59.976
has been designed that we're able to

01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.616
pump water from creek up into the chain

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:04.696
of ponds so that we can  provide

01:07:04.720 --> 01:07:07.095
sufficient water in that way. In the

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.015
past when there's been interruption or

01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:10.216
whilst we've been having plant

01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.456
establishment, there has been  potable

01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.376
water used to top up the chain of ponds

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.775
where there's been an issue with the

01:07:16.799 --> 01:07:18.936
pump system or or access to the creek

01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.376
essentially.

01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.696
So follow-up question, if we do not end

01:07:22.720 --> 01:07:24.696
up topping these chains of ponds,

01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:26.216
filling them up with water to a certain

01:07:26.240 --> 01:07:28.775
level, is there a risk of us losing some

01:07:28.799 --> 01:07:31.799
of these native plants that's been, you

01:07:31.839 --> 01:07:33.976
know, worked on with a volunteer group,

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.815
put lots of hours into them? Is there a

01:07:35.839 --> 01:07:38.775
chance we're going to lose them?

01:07:38.799 --> 01:07:40.535
 through the chair, I would I'd be

01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:42.136
cautious to say there is no risk.

01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:43.256
However, I would just make the

01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:44.696
observation that the chain of ponds is

01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:47.015
largely  in an established phase. So,

01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.496
we're not as reliant on water to keep

01:07:49.520 --> 01:07:52.520
many of the plants, you know, surviving.

01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:57.656
Madame Mayor, I'm still not sure where I

01:07:57.680 --> 01:08:00.216
sit on this motion and I I tried to have

01:08:00.240 --> 01:08:02.616
a chat with councelor Hockley because u

01:08:02.640 --> 01:08:04.936
to be honest, it's very extensive notice

01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.960
of motion. It's two pages plus rationale

01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:11.240
and  there is some wording in it which

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:13.736
reads strict adherence rigorous

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.760
management at all times um all these

01:08:18.080 --> 01:08:19.735
commitments which is scares me because

01:08:19.759 --> 01:08:21.655
I'm not sure if any other volunteer

01:08:21.679 --> 01:08:24.679
group in Bayside can adhere to what's in

01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:27.976
this notice of motion but at the same

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.655
time I do understand where councelor

01:08:29.679 --> 01:08:32.376
Hockley is coming from and 

01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:34.135
considering I've been on council now for

01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.159
six years I believe If I can pinpoint

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.255
that point where the relationship

01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.976
started to sour probably and in my

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.000
opinion it is um at a stage when these

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.896
growling grass frogs got introduced

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.215
because all of a sudden the reserve

01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.056
needed to operate in a different way in

01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:55.080
my opinion.  I've been I was lucky

01:08:55.120 --> 01:08:57.576
enough to be on the  nature reserve

01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.416
committee of management I believe some

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:01.976
years ago and there was extensive

01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.000
extensive debate and ecological advice

01:09:05.679 --> 01:09:07.735
 from professionals about why we

01:09:07.759 --> 01:09:10.295
cannot introduce species to that

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.319
reserve.  now it happened the frogs

01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.096
made their way. I heard you know some of

01:09:17.120 --> 01:09:19.655
them came in aquatic plants. I heard 

01:09:19.679 --> 01:09:21.096
someone saying you know someone probably

01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:23.416
let a frog from their house in there. I

01:09:23.440 --> 01:09:24.856
heard one that's you know probably one

01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:26.856
hitchhike on a bird or so you hear

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.295
different stories but the frogs are

01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:29.976
there now the reality is though my

01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.376
opinion is I don't believe the reserve

01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:34.856
was designed to cater for growling grass

01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.735
frogs and then it happens we also had a

01:09:37.759 --> 01:09:40.759
change in the  leadership I personally

01:09:40.799 --> 01:09:42.616
had an amazing and I still do have a

01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.096
really great relationship with Jonah but

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.175
I believe the previous president Natalie

01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.199
Davyy and ourself and myself we we had a

01:09:50.480 --> 01:09:52.295
really an amazing relationship there was

01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:53.496
absolutely

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.056
So it tells me now there is an

01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:58.936
expectation from the new leadership that

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:00.936
we need to do something to accommodate

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.896
these growling rice frogs. The reality

01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.816
is the master plan and what we've

01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:07.416
designed and what we've built is not

01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:09.655
catered and we received ecological

01:10:09.679 --> 01:10:11.816
advice to say we cannot introduce a

01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.215
species like this. And then there is the

01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.616
other point I get residents in Brighton

01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.640
calling me to say counselor um we

01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.016
noticed someone was working very late at

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:25.576
night while it's raining. We spoke to

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:27.096
them and they said they are from

01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:28.695
council.

01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:30.776
I get on to council they say no we don't

01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:32.536
have anyone working late when it's

01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:34.936
raining using equipment you know

01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.096
chainsaws and whatever. So someone is

01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:39.096
there doing work

01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:41.175
 after hours and probably dark at

01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.536
night which I don't believe it's the

01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:44.776
safest thing to do. And then there is

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:47.096
this I get residents calling me to say

01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:49.576
counselor why don't we have a picnic

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.655
table or a bench seat in this area. So I

01:10:51.679 --> 01:10:53.256
would go to the reserve I walk with them

01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:55.336
on oh yeah that's a great spot here next

01:10:55.360 --> 01:10:58.360
to this pond and then um we I'll talk to

01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:00.695
the officers. They say yeah we can do

01:11:00.719 --> 01:11:03.496
that. And then  couple weeks later you

01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.520
have a um a few logs and bricks and

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:10.280
rocks showing up and that same spot

01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:12.456
where the resident asked me to put a

01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:15.480
picnic table for example. Now we got

01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.256
into a stage where we cannot move them

01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:19.096
because we got told that oh that became

01:11:19.120 --> 01:11:22.120
a habitat and that's where the problem

01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.215
is.

01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:25.896
You know as much as we love our

01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:27.816
volunteers everyone here love our

01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.616
volunteers in Bayside their job is not

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.576
to design and build you know when I see

01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.600
them you know planting removing weeds

01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:40.215
you know I really um I get so proud of

01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:42.695
what they are doing but at the same time

01:11:42.719 --> 01:11:45.719
when I see trucks rocking up reversing

01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:49.080
into a reserve with logs and rocks I

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:51.816
question if that's what they should be

01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.135
doing without authorization from

01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.159
council. That is where the problem lies.

01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:59.736
So, councelor Hockley, I I salute you

01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.760
for this. I'm I'm actually I you got

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.576
guts to do it.  I'm not sure, however,

01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.536
because it's so big if I can support it.

01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:10.215
Thank you.

01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:13.239
Thank you, Councelor Elmo. Um I'll say a

01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.256
few words before I hand back to

01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:17.416
councelor Hopley for a right of reply.

01:12:17.440 --> 01:12:20.135
So, to be clear, it's not a motion to

01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.856
shut down the reserves volunteers. It's

01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.576
far from it and  my fellow counselors

01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.896
have have alluded to that and discussed

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.695
that in great deal detail. It's a motion

01:12:30.719 --> 01:12:33.719
to bring the association the committee

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.760
into compliance accepting that Bayside

01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:39.976
City Council is ultimately accountable

01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.456
for the reserve for the delivery of

01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:44.536
works determined under the federal

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.256
grants agreement and for the public's

01:12:47.280 --> 01:12:50.280
safety and the liability of the reserve

01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:54.135
as the responsible authority works

01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.296
within the reserve must be authorized

01:12:56.320 --> 01:12:58.616
and must comply with occupational health

01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.640
and safety standard. ers. To date, YA

01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.336
has not acknowledged that BCC has

01:13:05.360 --> 01:13:07.655
authority over the reserve, denying

01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:10.679
existence of an existing memorandum of

01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.175
understanding. You alluded to this,

01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:14.936
councelor Elma Wallen. This was signed

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.960
in 2023 with the  previous president.

01:13:19.679 --> 01:13:21.976
It talks to core commitments and one of

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.000
those commitments is to follow a rule of

01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:28.360
law, adhereing to council decisions when

01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.016
undertaking activities within a public

01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:34.040
space, to work at making sure volunteers

01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:37.239
safety and all parties well-being are at

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:40.440
the forefront of everybody's mind.

01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:46.296
Instead, unauthorized works take place

01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:48.776
such as the erection of nest boxes at

01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.336
heights not per permitted under Vic and

01:13:51.360 --> 01:13:54.360
Australian OS laws unless mandatory fall

01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:56.856
prevention controls are in place. They

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.880
are not in place. Yula has been told a

01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:01.655
number of times to cease these

01:14:01.679 --> 01:14:04.679
activities  July 24, July 25, March

01:14:05.679 --> 01:14:08.679
26, all of which were ignored. I come

01:14:09.120 --> 01:14:11.416
from a business background where legal

01:14:11.440 --> 01:14:13.736
responsibility between a workplace, a

01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.456
contractor, a subcontractor to that

01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:19.256
contractor is complicated. Everybody

01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:21.736
needs to know where they stand. This is

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.976
put in black and white in writing and

01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.456
you all agree to it. As a contractor on

01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:28.695
that work site, if you do not abide by

01:14:28.719 --> 01:14:31.719
that work site on ONS standards, you are

01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:33.816
gone. You're marched out the door and

01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:35.896
the next contractor is in. That's the

01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.655
rules of business. they will not take

01:14:37.679 --> 01:14:40.679
risk. That's where we are today. So when

01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.496
the proverbial S hits the van, which

01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.056
which it does and I have seen the

01:14:46.080 --> 01:14:48.296
responsibility, the accountability lays

01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.536
with the host entity managing that

01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.560
workplace. That's it. And that entity

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:55.896
here is Bayside City Council. The

01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.376
responsibility accountability

01:14:58.400 --> 01:15:00.936
finishes with us, ends with us. So this

01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.496
is  assumed  that the authority

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:05.416
program of works are called into the

01:15:05.440 --> 01:15:08.440
master plan without council's or for um

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.576
authorization. This simply has to stop.

01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.736
The master plan is a guide and not a

01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.760
detailed design or operational procedure

01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.816
plan. Governance, accountability and

01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.695
transparency is paramount in ongoing

01:15:22.719 --> 01:15:24.856
management of this reserve. Best

01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.776
practice environmental and safety

01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.016
standards must be adeared to for the

01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:31.336
protection of both the reserve, the

01:15:31.360 --> 01:15:33.896
volunteers and the general public who

01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.920
frequent it. So I too support this

01:15:37.280 --> 01:15:39.576
motion currently. Councelor Hockley, you

01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:41.576
have a right of reply.

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.215
Thanks madam. There are three things

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:46.456
that I want to acknowledge  in winding

01:15:46.480 --> 01:15:48.456
this up. First of all, Yera has already

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:49.816
responded to some of the things that are

01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.215
in this motion. So, we've received

01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.239
correspondence in quite some detail

01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.376
 and um it in part addresses some of

01:15:58.400 --> 01:15:59.576
the things that we asked for in this

01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.600
motion. So, I thank you all for that.

01:16:03.679 --> 01:16:06.679
Um this is not in any way a criticism of

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.096
volunteers.

01:16:09.120 --> 01:16:12.120
Um you are the lifeblood. Volunteers are

01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:15.960
the lifeblood of the natural heritage of

01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:18.695
this municipality and we are one of the

01:16:18.719 --> 01:16:20.456
best municipalities at protecting our

01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:22.376
natural heritage.

01:16:22.400 --> 01:16:24.616
The third thing is that mediation is

01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.016
likely to start this week whether your

01:16:27.040 --> 01:16:29.496
leadership says so or not because that

01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:32.376
that um process has already been started

01:16:32.400 --> 01:16:35.400
and has been underway.  and as I said

01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:37.576
earlier it began or the first

01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:39.896
conversations about mediation began

01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.056
nearly a year ago.

01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:44.456
Now, to prove to you that I'm not a

01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:47.016
completely terrible bastard, I want to

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:49.096
read to you a statement from my very

01:16:49.120 --> 01:16:51.976
good friend and colleague Josh Burns,

01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:55.000
the member for  McNamara, who are who

01:16:55.120 --> 01:16:56.776
couldn't be here tonight, but who asked

01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.800
me to read this statement to you.

01:17:00.400 --> 01:17:02.456
Over seven years ago, I remember walking

01:17:02.480 --> 01:17:04.936
through the old Stenwick golf course and

01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:06.616
hearing about the vision of what a

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.496
wetlands and nature reserve could be.

01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:11.096
Weeks ago, as I walked through the chain

01:17:11.120 --> 01:17:12.776
of ponds, I witnessed a place more

01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.616
spectacular and impressive than anything

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.376
I could have imagined. I helped him

01:17:16.400 --> 01:17:17.896
write that bit. May I have some more

01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:19.016
time?

01:17:19.040 --> 01:17:20.616
Can we have a mover, please? Councelor

01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:21.816
Irlichtt.

01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:23.736
It's only got 30 seconds. Then

01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.256
it's understandable that when creating

01:17:25.280 --> 01:17:26.776
something so detailed with so much

01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.616
effort and emotion that there will be

01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:30.056
conflict from time to time because

01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:31.736
everybody wants this project to be

01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.296
everything it can be. But conflict

01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:35.976
cannot distract us from the bigger task

01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.215
at hand. When I recently visited the

01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.056
site of the new wetlands with the Mayor,

01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:41.816
deputy Mayor and council officers, we

01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.175
agreed on a pathway forward that

01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.175
involved monthly meetings that gave the

01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:47.175
council more transparency.

01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:48.856
No extension of time. I've been told

01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.096
you've had it in the the first debate.

01:17:51.120 --> 01:17:52.856
That's a shame. Josh will be very upset.

01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:55.016
Yes. Sorry. He can maybe publish it on

01:17:55.040 --> 01:17:58.040
his website. Um, Madame Mayor,

01:17:58.400 --> 01:18:01.400
if I may, , given the sentiment of

01:18:01.679 --> 01:18:04.679
this mo of, um,

01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:08.120
Josh Burns's statement, , and the the

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.960
reality that this motion is not about

01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.336
volunteers and all of the things that

01:18:15.360 --> 01:18:17.576
we've heard about volunteers, I seek

01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.600
leave of council to withdraw the motion

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:22.695
tonight.

01:18:22.719 --> 01:18:24.616
Okay. Um, I would need councelor

01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:26.536
Murray's approval as a seconder for

01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.175
that. Okay. Um, just one minute.

01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.199
Councelor,

01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:34.695
it's a good statement. It's a shame you

01:18:34.719 --> 01:18:37.719
missed half of it.

01:18:52.719 --> 01:18:54.296
Sorry, I'm just conferring with the

01:18:54.320 --> 01:18:56.536
governance rules around this. Thank you.

01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.560
So, we do this properly.

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:01.016
I could keep talking.

01:19:01.040 --> 01:19:02.776
We'll go to the vote first for the

01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.256
withdrawals. So, all those in favor,

01:19:05.280 --> 01:19:08.280
councelor Irlicht,

01:19:16.719 --> 01:19:18.456
there's a bit of debate up here as to

01:19:18.480 --> 01:19:20.776
the governance rules too. So we will go

01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.496
to the vote I believe first. Okay.

01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:25.256
You've complicated things councelor

01:19:25.280 --> 01:19:27.576
Hockley. So all those in favor of the

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.600
withdrawal councelor Irlicht Murray Elmo

01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.576
Lee McIntosh Hoppley Taylor Haynes and so

01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.600
that is carried

01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:48.776
and  is there anyone who wishes to

01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.800
move an alternate at this stage? No.

01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:55.640
Councelor Elmo Alam

01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:58.856
alternative that mediation start as soon

01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.175
as practical and that's before end of

01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:04.199
next week with the Yona  management

01:20:04.719 --> 01:20:07.719
and also if possible um maybe with

01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:10.760
ecological um experts involved in it

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.296
madame sorry I don't mean to debate it

01:20:16.320 --> 01:20:19.320
but I think what officers advise are

01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.336
advising us as of today is that

01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:23.256
mediation is being offered

01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:25.736
and it's in Yer's court as to whether or

01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.896
not that's accepted through the use of

01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.776
the mediator they recommended.

01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.695
Okay. So maybe I put it to the floor. Is

01:20:32.719 --> 01:20:34.376
there a seconder for what's been

01:20:34.400 --> 01:20:37.400
proposed? If not, we it's

01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:41.576
I think that's that's part of

01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:43.256
Madame May. Perhaps for the for the

01:20:43.280 --> 01:20:44.536
gallery, it would be worthwhile

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.560
explaining what just happened.

01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:50.215
I can see some confused faces and still

01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:51.736
some angry faces. So, I'm hoping they're

01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.760
not as angry as they were before.

01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:32.056
Okay. Um to to everyone present,

01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:34.536
counselors, members of the gallery and

01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.416
online. So in absence of an alternate

01:21:37.440 --> 01:21:40.440
motion that was seconded, the  current

01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.640
motion has now been withdraw withdrawn

01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:46.920
which um which I suppose is is good. It

01:21:47.120 --> 01:21:50.120
will move forward to mediation um with

01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:52.695
the officers.

01:21:52.719 --> 01:21:54.536
Okay, perhaps we call for an

01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:56.135
adjournment, please. I need the

01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.936
bathroom.

01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:01.016
, councelor McIntosh. Thank you. I need

01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:04.040
a seconder. Councelor Elmo. All those in

01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.239
favor. Councelor Irlichtt, Murray, Elmo,

01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.520
Lee, McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor Haynes.

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:14.600
We'll adjourn for 10 minutes. Thank you.

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:19.655
Councilors, can I please have a mover to

01:22:19.679 --> 01:22:22.679
resume the meetings? Councelor McIntosh.

01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.016
Councelor Murray is the seconder. All

01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:27.655
those in favor. So councelor Irlichtt,

01:22:27.679 --> 01:22:30.679
Murray, Elmoalam, McIntosh, Taylor

01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.800
Haynes. And so it is carried.

01:22:34.320 --> 01:22:36.695
Absence of councelor Lee at the moment.

01:22:36.719 --> 01:22:39.719
We will move back to item. 10 and leave

01:22:40.480 --> 01:22:43.480
the last nom for  the correct timing.

01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:45.976
So

01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.655
you need a mover and second you

01:22:47.679 --> 01:22:48.615
do that.

01:22:48.639 --> 01:22:49.976
Reorder the agenda.

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:53.000
Okay.

01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:07.816
Can I please have a mover to reorder the

01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.840
agenda to move to section 10? Um, thank

01:23:11.679 --> 01:23:13.816
you councelor Murray and second

01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.776
councelor McIntosh. All those in favor,

01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:19.800
councelor Murray, Elma Walam, Councelor

01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:22.376
Irlichtt, are you in favor? Councelor

01:23:22.400 --> 01:23:24.695
Erllet, Councelor McIntosh, Councelor

01:23:24.719 --> 01:23:27.719
Taylor Haynes, and so it is carried.

01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.920
So reports by the organization,

01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:33.256
councilors and members of the gallery,

01:23:33.280 --> 01:23:35.736
there was one written statement 

01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:37.736
received to items on the agenda for

01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.296
tonight's meeting and there were three

01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:43.320
requests to speak um received in

01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:45.736
accordance to with council's governance

01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:47.736
rules. The names of those who had

01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.736
submitted a written statement will be

01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.056
read out at the commencement of each

01:23:52.080 --> 01:23:54.456
item and recorded in the minutes.

01:23:54.480 --> 01:23:56.695
However, statements are not read out to

01:23:56.719 --> 01:23:59.096
the meeting. We will then hear from

01:23:59.120 --> 01:24:01.736
registered speakers who will each have

01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.615
two minutes to give their presentation.

01:24:04.639 --> 01:24:07.175
The time will be electronically

01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:09.336
displayed on the screen above. And after

01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:12.296
you hear your speaking time um has

01:24:12.320 --> 01:24:15.320
expired, you will hear this sound.

01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:18.776
A reminder also to the speakers to

01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.416
please contain your presentation to the

01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:24.135
subject matter. Please also ensure your

01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:26.776
comments are respectful and refrain from

01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:29.336
making any derogatory or defamatory

01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:31.416
comments of any counselor, member of

01:24:31.440 --> 01:24:33.416
council staff or member of the

01:24:33.440 --> 01:24:35.816
community. Should you be in breach of

01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:37.896
this requirement, your presentation will

01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:39.816
be immediately terminated and you will

01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:41.976
be asked to return to your seat. Should

01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:44.456
you have any documents or pictures to be

01:24:44.480 --> 01:24:47.336
circulated  to the counselors as part

01:24:47.360 --> 01:24:49.576
of your presentation, please indicate

01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:51.816
when you approach the speaker's table

01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:54.376
and the governance officers will review

01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:56.376
the documents first and assist in

01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:59.400
distributing them to each counselor to

01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.896
ensure the best audio experience for the

01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:03.736
gallery and those following the meeting

01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.135
online. If speakers, officers, and

01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:08.695
counselors could also remember to speak

01:25:08.719 --> 01:25:11.719
directly into the microphone. Thank you.

01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:16.199
So item 10.1, governance report. There

01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:19.496
were no requests to be heard to this.

01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:20.936
Can I have a mover, please, for the

01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:23.416
governance report? Councelor Hopley.

01:25:23.440 --> 01:25:26.440
Thank you. Second councelor McIntosh. 

01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.816
just noting that for the majority of

01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:32.840
these um meetings there, we are noting

01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:36.376
them. We're not um to vote on any

01:25:36.400 --> 01:25:38.536
recommendation. Noting that a

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.496
recommendation was made by the Bayside

01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:43.896
Council Art and Heritage Collecting for

01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:45.816
an acquisition, but that's under

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.816
delegation. So, we don't need to

01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:49.976
authorize that or debate or vote on

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.000
that. So, um do um do we want to just

01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.016
put this to the vote or does anyone

01:25:57.040 --> 01:26:00.040
Okay. All those in favor councelor Irlicht

01:26:00.639 --> 01:26:03.639
Murray Elmoalam Lee McIntosh Hockley

01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:07.400
Taylor Haynes and so it is carried.

01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:10.520
Moving on to 10.26 two 126 to 128

01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.615
Reserve Road, B Morris. Support the

01:26:14.639 --> 01:26:17.336
grant of a permit planning application

01:26:17.360 --> 01:26:20.360
2025 43 1/1

01:26:21.679 --> 01:26:24.679
 in the Becket Ward. Um there was one

01:26:25.679 --> 01:26:28.135
written statement which councilors you

01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.159
have in your um reading material and

01:26:31.440 --> 01:26:33.976
there were three requests to speak.

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.776
Would Mr. Robert Harwood please approach

01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.800
the speaker's table?

01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:43.239
I have some um some images which I trust

01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:45.655
on the screen.

01:26:45.679 --> 01:26:48.679
Just one moment while we get those up.

01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.576
And you'd like to hand something out to

01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:52.936
the same.

01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:53.976
Okay.

01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:57.000
It's on the screen.

01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.840
I think it's on the screen.

01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:19.175
So, Mr. Harwood, are you ready?

01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:20.376
I'm just waiting for the

01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:21.256
Okay, come.

01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:24.280
Here we go.

01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.175
That's That's

01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:33.016
Yeah, that's that's the right one. So

01:27:33.040 --> 01:27:34.856
just tell me when you want to change.

01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.776
They're in the same thing. Can't move

01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:37.896
between screens.

01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:39.096
You don't you don't need to go back to

01:27:39.120 --> 01:27:40.456
the other document. It's just there's

01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:42.135
like 10 slides on this document.

01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:44.135
Yeah. So just call slide when you want

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.296
to move along, please.

01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:49.320
All right.

01:27:57.520 --> 01:27:58.776
Okay.

01:27:58.800 --> 01:27:59.336
Thank you.

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:00.456
All right. Thank you. Good evening

01:28:00.480 --> 01:28:03.256
everyone. Slide one. We have owned our

01:28:03.280 --> 01:28:05.336
home for 9 years, living peacefully

01:28:05.360 --> 01:28:07.256
alongside the existing Telster Exchange

01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:09.576
building next door to us. Their use

01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:11.816
generates very few vehicle movements and

01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.736
employee attendances. It's a very

01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:15.655
passive use fully compatible with the

01:28:15.679 --> 01:28:18.679
neighborhood we live in. This proposal

01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.736
before you represents in contrast a high

01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:23.655
intensive use completely inconsistent

01:28:23.679 --> 01:28:24.936
with the planning requirements of a

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.175
neighborhood residential zone. Next

01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.496
slide. There is no strategic need for

01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:31.336
this with eight existing childcare

01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:33.096
centers provided providing options

01:28:33.120 --> 01:28:35.256
nearby. Two of them are within a very

01:28:35.280 --> 01:28:37.336
very short walk.

01:28:37.360 --> 01:28:39.896
SL slide three. Council strategy

01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:41.976
document shows zero demand in B Morris

01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:45.000
until 2029. Existing centers are below

01:28:45.120 --> 01:28:47.016
capacity and struggling to fill places

01:28:47.040 --> 01:28:49.976
as it is. Next slide. Under the planning

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.536
scheme, this is a discretionary use not

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.016
as of right for as for this zone. To be

01:28:55.040 --> 01:28:56.936
approved, they must demonstrate minimal

01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.016
impact and no loss of neighborhoods

01:28:59.040 --> 01:29:01.576
neighbors amenity. As they are the agent

01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:04.135
of change, they must manage their impact

01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.135
and not require residents to change our

01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.456
lifestyles to accommodate them. Next

01:29:08.480 --> 01:29:10.615
slide. We work from home and are

01:29:10.639 --> 01:29:12.936
approaching retirement with no plans to

01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:14.776
move as we love our house and our son

01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.016
studies at home for university. Next

01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:19.496
slide. This proposed use will interfere

01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:21.416
with our quiet enjoyment. We will no

01:29:21.440 --> 01:29:23.175
longer be able to open doors and windows

01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.016
for passive air flow, be outside

01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:26.615
gardening or chatting without fear of

01:29:26.639 --> 01:29:28.376
sudden noise interruption. This will be

01:29:28.400 --> 01:29:30.695
incredibly stressful. Next slide. With

01:29:30.719 --> 01:29:33.719
an overdevelopment brief of 100 children

01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.536
center on a midb block site, it squeezes

01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:38.456
car parking and play areas right against

01:29:38.480 --> 01:29:39.816
side boundaries to residential

01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.215
neighbors. Next slide. The design result

01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.536
delivers the worst possible outcome of a

01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.776
large firstf flooror open air play area

01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.776
the size of a basketball court that

01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:50.296
overlooks multiple residential

01:29:50.320 --> 01:29:52.296
properties and will broadcast intrusive

01:29:52.320 --> 01:29:53.816
noise right through the area. Next

01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:56.840
slide. We are highly skeptical skeptical

01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:58.135
whether their theoretical

01:29:58.159 --> 01:29:59.976
preconstruction acoustic modeling

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.655
modeling actually works for real world

01:30:01.679 --> 01:30:04.056
conditions. Children gather near fences

01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:07.080
scream cry music plays over PA. There's

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.736
no Australian standards for this type of

01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:11.736
this type of development and the and

01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.536
their their own report is just virtually

01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:16.376
making it up about this as being

01:30:16.400 --> 01:30:19.336
appropriate. So therefore I urge council

01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:21.416
to refuse this application opposed at

01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:23.256
the VCAT hearing the developers already

01:30:23.280 --> 01:30:25.256
preemptively sought even before this has

01:30:25.280 --> 01:30:26.215
gone to you. Thank you.

01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:28.615
Thank you Mr. Harwood. Um just just stay

01:30:28.639 --> 01:30:30.296
seated a minute in case there's any

01:30:30.320 --> 01:30:33.320
questions. Um councilors, do we have

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.520
questions of Mr. Harwood? Um I I'll ask

01:30:37.120 --> 01:30:39.096
one question. You've handed out a map

01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:41.576
here of the current um existing child

01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:44.600
care centers and you've got one already

01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.239
but one door away from this new proposed

01:30:50.080 --> 01:30:51.816
center.

01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.615
Why do we think it that's that's been

01:30:54.639 --> 01:30:56.936
put in? What is it? The size of the land

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:58.776
is it about profit? What what's your

01:30:58.800 --> 01:30:59.816
opinion there with

01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.056
I mean my opinion is that the the

01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:04.056
original legislation why these planning

01:31:04.080 --> 01:31:06.615
the these type of um staircase centers

01:31:06.639 --> 01:31:08.536
were allowed was they were like small

01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:10.456
like up to 30 or 40 kids which is that

01:31:10.480 --> 01:31:12.776
one the minnows one two doors down. So

01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:14.856
and that's like a a renovation of an

01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.880
existing dwelling. So the idea was to

01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:19.736
you allowed to have these sort of dotted

01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:22.296
around small daycare centers but this is

01:31:22.320 --> 01:31:24.776
this is a factory size. This is what

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:26.215
something they're pro proposing that

01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.615
should be on on you know Nepian highway

01:31:28.639 --> 01:31:31.016
or bluff road. It's it's a it's vastly

01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:34.040
inappropriate in a residential zone.

01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:38.760
Any further questions councilors?

01:31:39.280 --> 01:31:41.096
Okay. Thank you Mr. Har. You can take

01:31:41.120 --> 01:31:43.256
your seat and we will call the next

01:31:43.280 --> 01:31:46.280
speaker being Graeme Garlic.

01:31:48.400 --> 01:31:50.536
Thank you madame Mayor. My name is

01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.560
Graeme Garlic exine pilot. I'm aware of

01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:56.760
safe mana management. That was my game.

01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.920
This is a vulnerable area. Vulnerability

01:32:01.440 --> 01:32:04.440
at risk to the people who transit that

01:32:04.719 --> 01:32:07.719
area. This will exacerbate that risk.

01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:13.080
Council are aware of the risk. You have

01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:16.056
four crossing supervisors.

01:32:16.080 --> 01:32:18.056
Mhm. Okay.

01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:21.080
There's weakness. It's close to the

01:32:21.120 --> 01:32:24.120
intersection of Balcom and Reserve Road.

01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:28.615
That is a disgrace.

01:32:28.639 --> 01:32:31.096
It wouldn't be acceptable in aviation.

01:32:31.120 --> 01:32:33.016
There's potholes.

01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:36.040
The conary, it's not clear. It needs

01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:39.400
painting. The islands need to be

01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:41.736
delineated.

01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.760
Trucks are hitting traffic lights. They

01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:47.800
hit signage.

01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.840
People are not situation aware.

01:32:51.440 --> 01:32:53.096
They're not aware of the situation

01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:55.976
anymore. They don't scan. They have

01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.056
mobile phones.

01:32:58.080 --> 01:33:00.536
And children, your children, your

01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.560
grandchildren, your old people like me

01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:06.920
are at risk. They go down that pavement

01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:09.736
and they go down to the library, which

01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:12.456
is good, and the facilities. And on the

01:33:12.480 --> 01:33:14.936
way, they're at risk. It's another

01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:17.960
crossing. Now, Sunday I came out of my

01:33:19.440 --> 01:33:22.135
property and down the hill doing about

01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:25.159
15 kilometers with two boys on electric

01:33:25.679 --> 01:33:28.679
bicycles. Remember force equals mass

01:33:30.480 --> 01:33:33.336
acceleration. Madame Mayor, if you were

01:33:33.360 --> 01:33:36.360
there, it's your body. My wife is in

01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.880
Homes with a broken arm because a wet

01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:44.376
floor.

01:33:44.400 --> 01:33:47.400
We're at risk.

01:33:47.679 --> 01:33:50.679
It's our heritage that is at risk.

01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:54.280
There's 950 people or more children not

01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:58.760
situation aware. I saw a two children on

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:04.056
bicycles with their father and they fell

01:34:04.080 --> 01:34:04.776
over.

01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:05.096
Yes.

01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:06.376
How long have I got? I've got the

01:34:06.400 --> 01:34:07.416
message across.

01:34:07.440 --> 01:34:09.016
Thank you. I think you have. Can you get

01:34:09.040 --> 01:34:12.040
round, fix those potholes and do some

01:34:12.320 --> 01:34:15.320
painting and make it more conspicuous?

01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:17.096
It's our kids.

01:34:17.120 --> 01:34:18.936
Yes, I I know the potholes you're

01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:20.695
referring to and they belong to the

01:34:20.719 --> 01:34:22.215
state government. We will give them

01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.135
another notification to let them know

01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.615
they're sitting there rather large and

01:34:26.639 --> 01:34:29.639
need fixing. Um, thank you. Are there

01:34:30.080 --> 01:34:32.615
any questions, counselors? Um, Graeme

01:34:32.639 --> 01:34:35.416
Garlic's taken his seat. He made a very

01:34:35.440 --> 01:34:38.440
passionate plea there.

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.960
No. Okay, we will invite up Ryan Boyd on

01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:46.199
behalf of More Great Shots PTY LTD.

01:34:46.320 --> 01:34:49.320
Thank you.

01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:54.936
 thank you.  good evening

01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.016
councilors.  by way of introduction,

01:34:57.040 --> 01:34:58.376
I'm the sole director of More Great

01:34:58.400 --> 01:35:00.215
Shots Proprietary Limited.  the owner

01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:02.215
of this site. From the very beginning

01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:03.976
when I first purchased this property, my

01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:05.576
intention was to retain as much of the

01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.576
building as possible. This was due to

01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:09.976
cost, conservation, and if nothing else,

01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:11.736
nostalgic heritage being an original

01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.336
Telster exchange with a Queen Elizabeth

01:35:13.360 --> 01:35:16.215
II emblem marking the site's facade,

01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.296
signifying a government building. What

01:35:18.320 --> 01:35:19.896
shape that would take, I wasn't entirely

01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.655
sure. But after months of research and

01:35:21.679 --> 01:35:23.576
exploration, I landed on an early

01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:25.976
learning center. The fact ELC's are

01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:27.576
encouraged in residential zones where

01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.416
families reside, combined with the

01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:31.175
site's excellent location on a main road

01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.336
and a transport zone directly opposite a

01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:35.096
school with many other primary schools

01:35:35.120 --> 01:35:37.016
in close proximity was the main reason

01:35:37.040 --> 01:35:39.256
for this. From there, I engaged a highly

01:35:39.280 --> 01:35:41.496
reputable architecture firm specializing

01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.576
in ELC and my instruction to them was

01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.336
simple. I wanted a design that

01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:47.096
incorporated the existing building and

01:35:47.120 --> 01:35:48.856
ensured complete compliance with all

01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:50.936
state and council regulations as well as

01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:52.615
any further restrictions placed upon us

01:35:52.639 --> 01:35:54.536
that relate specifically to child care

01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:56.936
which they have done. They also engaged

01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.776
any third party consultants required to

01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:00.376
advise on the appropriateness of the

01:36:00.400 --> 01:36:02.615
design. This means acoustics, traffic

01:36:02.639 --> 01:36:04.695
and arboricultural reports have all been

01:36:04.719 --> 01:36:06.536
submitted as part of application render

01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.615
recommended for approval. We fully

01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:10.456
comply with Bayside Council setback

01:36:10.480 --> 01:36:12.376
regulations. We comply with the

01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:14.536
Association of Australasian Acoustical

01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:15.976
Consultants Guidelines for noise

01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:17.736
disruption. We are retaining and

01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:19.576
protecting all significant trees both on

01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:21.576
and abuting the property. And we have

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:23.256
more than a number of car parking spaces

01:36:23.280 --> 01:36:25.256
required. It's also worth noting that

01:36:25.280 --> 01:36:27.416
these centers operate from 6:30 a.m. to

01:36:27.440 --> 01:36:30.056
6:30 p.m. Monday to Friday only with a

01:36:30.080 --> 01:36:31.896
restriction on outdoor play before 7:00

01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:34.456
a.m. and after 6 p.m. This means that in

01:36:34.480 --> 01:36:35.655
the evenings and on weekends when

01:36:35.679 --> 01:36:37.496
households are typically home, they will

01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.416
not be affected at all. On the contrary,

01:36:39.440 --> 01:36:41.175
they will enjoy well-maintained gardens

01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:43.416
and tranquility during these times. In

01:36:43.440 --> 01:36:45.175
conclusion, whilst we sympathize with

01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:46.376
our neighbors that having an early

01:36:46.400 --> 01:36:48.215
learning center next door might not be

01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:49.896
their wish, this should not be a reason

01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:51.896
enough for refusal. The council planners

01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:53.655
have recommended a conditional permit be

01:36:53.679 --> 01:36:55.576
issued based on the planning regulations

01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:57.576
we have met and I hope that you can

01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.456
also. Thank you.

01:37:00.480 --> 01:37:03.480
Councilors, are there any questions, Mr.

01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:05.496
Boyd?

01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:08.520
No. Was there ever a consideration just

01:37:08.639 --> 01:37:11.416
to put town houses in there given it is

01:37:11.440 --> 01:37:13.736
a residential zone?

01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:15.655
 yes, there was.

01:37:15.679 --> 01:37:18.456
And why wasn't that followed through?

01:37:18.480 --> 01:37:19.976
When there's a number of child care

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.376
centers, you must believe there's the

01:37:22.400 --> 01:37:25.400
need in the market there for 100 more

01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:26.856
places.

01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:28.376
 yeah, I do believe there's a market

01:37:28.400 --> 01:37:30.296
there. Um we have an operator already on

01:37:30.320 --> 01:37:32.376
board who's willing to lease the site.

01:37:32.400 --> 01:37:34.936
Um and I believe it's up to my

01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:37.095
discretion. um what I can do.

01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:39.016
It absolutely is. You are the owner of

01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:41.896
that land. Yeah. Obviously subject to do

01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.920
a feasibility on townouses. Yes. And um

01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:46.456
I decided against that.

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:49.175
Okay. And you make reference to um the

01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:51.336
the noise being limited during the day,

01:37:51.360 --> 01:37:53.655
but since co a lot of people do work

01:37:53.679 --> 01:37:55.655
from home. Did you consult with the

01:37:55.679 --> 01:37:58.135
neighboring properties to find out how

01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:00.536
many of those actually work from home

01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:03.560
and um and that noise consideration of

01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.296
100 children circulating through that

01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:09.320
open space on that first floor um did

01:38:10.080 --> 01:38:11.736
consult with the neighbors on that as to

01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:13.016
how many people I know there's a

01:38:13.040 --> 01:38:14.936
podcaster in the area and he has to do

01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:17.416
his podcasting after hours

01:38:17.440 --> 01:38:20.440
um and the property to to the right

01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:22.615
there the adjacent property they work

01:38:22.639 --> 01:38:24.856
from home who

01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:26.536
I didn't consult with them because I

01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:28.936
didn't really feel that was necessary. I

01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:30.615
did do the courtesy of dropping him off

01:38:30.639 --> 01:38:32.536
the plans. I think in the end it just

01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:34.776
would have led to confrontation. Um

01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:36.215
you're damned if you do, damned if you

01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:37.896
don't. I could have built

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:39.736
 three stories here, gone up to I

01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.976
think about 13 1/2 mters, built boundary

01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:43.736
to boundary. I could be overlooking with

01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:45.655
residential windows these days. I could

01:38:45.679 --> 01:38:47.416
have I could build a huge basement. I

01:38:47.440 --> 01:38:49.256
could go gang busters, but I've decided

01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:52.135
to retain the facade, keep the  cream

01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:54.536
brick facade.  as much as it's not

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.135
everybody's cup of tea at childcare

01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:57.736
center and I can appreciate that as I

01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.576
mentioned I don't believe that is

01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.576
necessarily good enough grounds for

01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:04.056
refusal because childcare centers are

01:39:04.080 --> 01:39:05.655
where families are and there's lots of

01:39:05.679 --> 01:39:06.776
families in boy Morris

01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:09.800
okay thank you thank you Mr. void.

01:39:10.719 --> 01:39:13.719
Okay. Do we have a mover? Oh,

01:39:15.440 --> 01:39:17.976
okay. Council McIntosh. Question of the

01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:18.615
officers.

01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:21.175
, just a a question for Miss Archie

01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:23.496
board, please. Just regarding um could

01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:25.095
you explain to us the nature of the

01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:26.936
environmental audit overlay on this

01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:29.896
site, please?

01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.576
Through the chair. An environmental

01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:33.336
order overlay is generally applied when

01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:35.016
there's um known or suspected

01:39:35.040 --> 01:39:37.256
contamination on a site. Um this is

01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:39.736
generally from previous land uses. Um

01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.496
the overlay requires an audit to be

01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:43.256
undertaken prior to any sensitive use

01:39:43.280 --> 01:39:45.976
commencing.  the audit is conducted by

01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:47.736
um an environmental protection authority

01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:49.816
appointed environmental auditor and it's

01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:51.896
submitted to the EPA for assessment.

01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:53.416
It's not required for an audit to be

01:39:53.440 --> 01:39:54.856
done prior to a planning permit being

01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:56.936
issued. Quite often we find that it's

01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.936
done after the permit's been issued when

01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:00.456
there's shity about what the future land

01:40:00.480 --> 01:40:02.615
use will be. um and the planning scheme

01:40:02.639 --> 01:40:04.056
requires it to be done before the use

01:40:04.080 --> 01:40:05.896
commences rather than before a permit is

01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:07.816
provided.

01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:09.816
Thank you. So given in this instance the

01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:11.655
plan is for a child care center with

01:40:11.679 --> 01:40:14.296
children playing on  grounds outside

01:40:14.320 --> 01:40:16.936
as well um that would then be taken into

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.095
account at that process that there's if

01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.336
there is contaminated land that that

01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:23.496
would have to be decontaminated

01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:25.976
presumably before the works. That's

01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:27.416
correct. A childcare center is a

01:40:27.440 --> 01:40:29.336
sensitive use um under the environmental

01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:31.256
audit overlay. um that will be assessed

01:40:31.280 --> 01:40:33.416
during the audit um and any remediation

01:40:33.440 --> 01:40:36.440
will be outlined through that process.

01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:41.175
Any further questions?

01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:43.095
Councilors, do I have a mover for this

01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.936
or I understand there's an alternate

01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:47.960
being proposed.

01:40:54.080 --> 01:40:57.080
Yeah. Alternative being the refusal.

01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:07.175
Yes. Can we put the alternative up,

01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:10.199
please?

01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:21.016
Yeah. Um, I'd like to move an

01:41:21.040 --> 01:41:21.816
alternative.

01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:24.840
Okay. Councelor Erile and Councelor Lee.

01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:28.520
Thank you.

01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:32.119
Um,

01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:34.615
councelor Erlett, can you please read

01:41:34.639 --> 01:41:37.639
out the alternate that's on the screen?

01:41:38.480 --> 01:41:39.896
What's this?

01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:42.135
 that council resolve to advise the

01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:43.736
tribunal and all parties that it does

01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:45.655
not support the grant of a permit under

01:41:45.679 --> 01:41:47.175
the provisions of the Bayside planning

01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:48.856
scheme in respect of planning

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.880
application 2025/431

01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.095
for the land known as described at 126

01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:58.119
to 128 reserve road by Morris.

01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:08.520
I'm not going to read all of this.

01:42:08.719 --> 01:42:11.719
If you can please read um yeah on the

01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:13.816
following grounds. So from item one

01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:16.376
there

01:42:16.400 --> 01:42:19.400
all of this.

01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:24.695
All right. The advice for tribunals and

01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:26.135
all parties that it does not support the

01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:27.736
grant of the permit has been made on the

01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:29.655
following grounds.

01:42:29.679 --> 01:42:31.416
Number one, the proposal fails to

01:42:31.440 --> 01:42:34.440
implement the relevant parts,

01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:36.936
the municipal planning strategy and the

01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.095
planning policy framework contained in

01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:42.119
clauses 13.07 of the Bayside planning

01:42:42.639 --> 01:42:45.639
scheme in particular. A clause 13.07-1S

01:42:47.440 --> 01:42:49.816
land use compatibility B. Clause

01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:52.456
13.07-1L-1

01:42:52.480 --> 01:42:55.480
amenity C. Clause 13.07-1L-2 07-1L-2

01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.000
discretionary uses in residential areas.

01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:03.576
The proposed two the proposed

01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:05.496
development is inconsistent with the

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:07.655
purpose and decision guidelines of the

01:43:07.679 --> 01:43:10.679
neighborhood residential zone schedule 3

01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:13.800
including but not limited to A. The

01:43:14.320 --> 01:43:16.135
proposal fails to adequately address the

01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:17.736
municipal planning strategy and the

01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:19.816
planning policy framework. B. The

01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:21.655
proposal fails to recognize areas of

01:43:21.679 --> 01:43:23.416
predominantly single and doublestory

01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:25.736
residential development. C. The proposal

01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:27.576
fails to manage and ensure the

01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:29.576
development is responsive to the

01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:30.856
identified neighborhood character,

01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.016
heritage, environmental, or landscape

01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:34.536
characteristics.

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:36.615
D. The proposed childcare center does

01:43:36.639 --> 01:43:39.175
not serve local community needs and is

01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:41.736
not in an appropriate location. Three,

01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:43.496
the proposed development is inconsistent

01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.655
with the purpose and decision guidelines

01:43:45.679 --> 01:43:47.576
of the design and development overlay

01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:49.496
schedule 3, including but not limited

01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.296
to. A, the proposal fails to adequately

01:43:52.320 --> 01:43:54.135
address the municipal planning strategy

01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:56.536
and the planning policy framework. B,

01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:58.215
the proposal fails to achieve the

01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.376
architectural and urban design outcomes

01:44:00.400 --> 01:44:02.215
that contribute positively to local

01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:03.976
urban character and enhance the public

01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.776
realm while minimizing detrimental

01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:09.416
impact on neighboring properties. C. The

01:44:09.440 --> 01:44:11.336
proposal fails to preserve the existing

01:44:11.360 --> 01:44:13.816
character and amenity of the areas as

01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:16.536
low-rise up to two stories suburban

01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:19.560
areas with a strong garden character.

01:44:20.639 --> 01:44:22.936
D. The proposal fails to maintain the

01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.256
prevailing streetscape rhythm, building

01:44:25.280 --> 01:44:28.056
scale and height of neighborhoods.

01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:30.296
And E, the proposal fails to maintain a

01:44:30.320 --> 01:44:31.576
strong landscape character with

01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:34.135
buildings set within vegetated

01:44:34.159 --> 01:44:35.896
surrounds.

01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:37.976
Four, the proposed tree removal is

01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:39.336
inconsistent with the purpose and

01:44:39.360 --> 01:44:41.416
decision guidelines of the vegetation

01:44:41.440 --> 01:44:43.576
protection overlay schedule 3, including

01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.600
but not limited to A, the proposal fails

01:44:46.639 --> 01:44:48.135
to adequately address the municipal

01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:49.576
planning strategy and the planning

01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:51.976
policy framework. B, the proposal fails

01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:54.615
to minimize the loss of vegetation. C,

01:44:54.639 --> 01:44:56.536
the proposal fails to preserve existing

01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:58.776
tree and other vegetation. And D, the

01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:00.215
proposal fails to encourage the

01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:03.095
regeneration of native vegetation.

01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.496
Five, the proposed tree removal is

01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:07.016
inconsistent with the purpose and

01:45:07.040 --> 01:45:09.576
decision guidelines of the canopy trees

01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:12.600
provision included but not limited to A.

01:45:12.639 --> 01:45:14.135
The proposal fails to protect and

01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:15.896
enhance the canopy tree cover to support

01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:18.135
greener and cooler residential areas. B

01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:19.736
the proposal fails to ensure that the

01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:22.536
development the development is designed

01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:24.615
to maximize the retention and long-term

01:45:24.639 --> 01:45:26.456
health of existing and new canopy trees

01:45:26.480 --> 01:45:28.376
and contributes to increasing canopy

01:45:28.400 --> 01:45:31.400
tree cover. and C, the proposal fails to

01:45:32.400 --> 01:45:35.400
encourage canopy tree cover that is site

01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:38.296
and climate responsive and supports the

01:45:38.320 --> 01:45:41.320
local environment.

01:45:41.440 --> 01:45:44.215
Thank you. Councelor Erilet,

01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:47.239
you can now debate if you've got any

01:45:48.320 --> 01:45:50.536
breath left to do that.

01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:53.560
Let me start. Number one, the

01:45:55.280 --> 01:45:57.016
Okay, Madame May. Look, thank you. I do

01:45:57.040 --> 01:45:58.776
rise  in support of the alternative

01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:00.296
motion that council does advise the

01:46:00.320 --> 01:46:01.896
tribunal that it doesn't support the

01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:03.256
granting of the permit. And I want to be

01:46:03.280 --> 01:46:05.816
really clear about this. This is not a

01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:07.896
debate about um whether child care

01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:10.920
centers are valuable. They are. Nor is

01:46:11.280 --> 01:46:13.496
it about the effort of the applicant and

01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:16.520
what he has invested in this proposal.

01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:18.456
I think the question before us is much

01:46:18.480 --> 01:46:21.175
narrower. Um is this the right

01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:23.095
development in the right location under

01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.256
the Bayside planning scheme? That's the

01:46:25.280 --> 01:46:26.456
question.

01:46:26.480 --> 01:46:28.615
And in my view, the answer is no. I

01:46:28.639 --> 01:46:30.456
think the planning scheme, Madame Mayor,

01:46:30.480 --> 01:46:32.536
requires discretionary use in

01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:34.376
neighborhood residential zone to be

01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:36.695
compatible with the surrounding

01:46:36.719 --> 01:46:38.296
residential environment and to minimize

01:46:38.320 --> 01:46:41.256
the impacts on nearby residents.

01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:43.256
I think this proposal falls short on a

01:46:43.280 --> 01:46:45.976
number of  areas. Number one, first

01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:48.296
traffic. Reserve road experiences

01:46:48.320 --> 01:46:50.215
significant traffic congestion, Madame

01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:52.456
May, and it's generated by by Morris

01:46:52.480 --> 01:46:54.776
Secondary College at school drop off and

01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:57.175
pickup. The rodent network is already

01:46:57.199 --> 01:46:59.896
under considerable pressure. Adding a

01:46:59.920 --> 01:47:02.376
childare center introduces another peak

01:47:02.400 --> 01:47:04.456
traffic generator with overlapping

01:47:04.480 --> 01:47:06.615
operating times.

01:47:06.639 --> 01:47:09.175
It's not simply about more cars. It's

01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:12.199
about the interaction of parents, school

01:47:12.480 --> 01:47:15.095
traffic, pedestrians, cyclists, and

01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:17.256
buses in an already constrained road

01:47:17.280 --> 01:47:18.936
environment. Pretty similar to the the

01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:20.215
gentleman over here, what we've heard,

01:47:20.239 --> 01:47:23.239
the um the dangers that exist. And I

01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:26.056
think clause 13.07 7 requires that land

01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:28.456
use to be compatible with surrounding

01:47:28.480 --> 01:47:30.215
activities and to protect residential

01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:32.695
amenity. I'm not satisfied that those

01:47:32.719 --> 01:47:35.336
objectives have been met. Um, number

01:47:35.360 --> 01:47:38.360
two, amenity. Um, I think this proposal

01:47:38.400 --> 01:47:40.936
places outdoor play areas immediately

01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.816
beside residential backyards. I think

01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:45.736
children playing is entirely appropriate

01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.536
at a child care center. Um, but good

01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:50.936
planning is about placing uses where

01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:52.615
those impacts can reasonably be

01:47:52.639 --> 01:47:54.376
accommodated.

01:47:54.400 --> 01:47:56.296
Nearby residents of, as we've heard,

01:47:56.320 --> 01:47:58.695
will experience extended outdoor

01:47:58.719 --> 01:48:01.416
activity, increased traffic, servicing,

01:48:01.440 --> 01:48:04.056
and daily operational noise in what is

01:48:04.080 --> 01:48:06.776
intended to remain a low-scale

01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:09.496
residential neighborhood. This is

01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.135
precisely why the planning scheme places

01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:14.135
such importance on land use

01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:15.976
compatibility.

01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.936
Third, um the evolution of this proposal

01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.095
does concern me. I think rather than

01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:23.655
reducing impacts, amended plans have

01:48:23.679 --> 01:48:26.679
reduced on-site parking and intensified

01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.016
aspects of the development. Many

01:48:29.040 --> 01:48:31.416
residents believe, as I understand, that

01:48:31.440 --> 01:48:33.576
changes have shifted greater impacts

01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:36.056
onto the surrounding neighborhood

01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:38.456
instead of resolving concerns. I think

01:48:38.480 --> 01:48:40.215
planning application should improve

01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:42.536
through consultation and in this case

01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:44.215
many in the community believe that the

01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.456
opposite has occurred and I understand

01:48:46.480 --> 01:48:47.655
that that can be a difficult there's

01:48:47.679 --> 01:48:50.615
tension that arises with consultation I

01:48:50.639 --> 01:48:53.496
I do have some sympathy for that

01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:55.336
um moving on to that the consultation

01:48:55.360 --> 01:48:58.215
number four um I don't well consultation

01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:00.856
in itself  I understand it's not a

01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:03.336
statutory ground for refusal but it does

01:49:03.360 --> 01:49:05.816
matter residents have told us that

01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:07.736
requests to meet and discuss discuss

01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.376
design changes were declined and I think

01:49:10.400 --> 01:49:11.816
that was a missed opportunity. Madame

01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.376
Mayor, better planning outcomes are

01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:16.056
usually achieved through collaboration,

01:49:16.080 --> 01:49:17.816
not confrontation.

01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:19.256
Instead, this matter has proceeded to

01:49:19.280 --> 01:49:21.416
VCAT with many legitimate concerns

01:49:21.440 --> 01:49:23.336
unresolved.

01:49:23.360 --> 01:49:26.215
, fifth, strategic need, and I'm not

01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.215
persuaded here that there is a

01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:29.816
demonstrated need for another child care

01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:31.496
center at this location, as we've

01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:33.576
already heard that the ones that exist

01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:36.600
currently are underfilled. I think this

01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:39.416
area is already well served  by

01:49:39.440 --> 01:49:41.736
existing facilities. The planning scheme

01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:44.135
doesn't prohibit another child center.

01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:45.816
But where discretionary use creates

01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:48.615
significant neighborhood impacts,

01:49:48.639 --> 01:49:51.095
the strategic justification becomes

01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:53.816
highly relevant. Madame Mayor,

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:55.976
here I believe that the planning impacts

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:59.000
do outweigh the claim community benefit.

01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:01.336
And finally, there's the environmental

01:50:01.360 --> 01:50:04.215
impacts that can't be ignored.

01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:06.056
The removal of protected vegetation and

01:50:06.080 --> 01:50:08.056
canopy trees is inconsistent with the

01:50:08.080 --> 01:50:10.456
objectives of the vegetation protection

01:50:10.480 --> 01:50:13.480
overlay and clause 52.37.

01:50:14.480 --> 01:50:15.976
Bayside has consistently

01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:17.336
councelor Eric, would you like an

01:50:17.360 --> 01:50:19.576
extension of time? Yes. Okay. Councelor

01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:21.816
Hockley moved. Councelor McIntosh second.

01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.135
All those in favor? Councelor Eric,

01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:26.695
Murray, Elmo Lee, McIntosh, Hockley,

01:50:26.719 --> 01:50:28.536
Taylor Haynes, and so it is carried.

01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:30.536
Thank you. , Madame Mayor, Bayside has

01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:31.976
consistently committed to increasing

01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.816
tree canopy and protecting neighborhood

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.840
character, and this proposal moves in

01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:39.655
the opposite direction.

01:50:39.679 --> 01:50:41.256
Madame Mayor, this is a difficult one.

01:50:41.280 --> 01:50:44.280
The planning is always about balance.

01:50:45.440 --> 01:50:47.416
But when you weigh the community, the

01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:49.576
cumulative impacts, we've got traffic,

01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.600
we've got noise, neighborhood character,

01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.960
tree loss, reduced residential amenity,

01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:58.376
and the failure to meaningfully address

01:50:58.400 --> 01:51:01.175
community concerns. I do not believe

01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:03.256
that this proposal achieves the balance

01:51:03.280 --> 01:51:05.416
required the Bayside planning scheme in

01:51:05.440 --> 01:51:07.655
above Bayside planning scheme. And for

01:51:07.679 --> 01:51:09.816
those reasons, I support the alternate

01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:11.896
motion and urge my fellow councilors to

01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.215
advise the tribunal that council does

01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:15.496
not support the granting of this

01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:16.695
particular permit. Thank you.

01:51:16.719 --> 01:51:19.095
Thank you, Councelor Ellit. Councelor

01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:22.119
Lee, would you like to say a few words?

01:51:26.480 --> 01:51:29.480
side the issues of um the location of

01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:32.056
it. And I think if you looked at page

01:51:32.080 --> 01:51:35.080
60, I think it was page 65 and you have

01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:39.000
a close look at it, what you see is a

01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.960
giant block among all the residential

01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.936
houses. It's a it's a very good photo

01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:48.776
that demonstrates everything about what

01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.416
it is. It has another big a big issue

01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:54.296
and that is it's almost opposite well

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:57.320
it's opposite the ovals for Bora

01:51:57.360 --> 01:52:00.056
secondary college that means for that

01:52:00.080 --> 01:52:03.080
whole area in my opinion um particularly

01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:05.416
at times when the children are coming

01:52:05.440 --> 01:52:08.440
and going this is going to be a tangle

01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:11.736
at this at this intersection area it's

01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:13.896
bad enough as it is with what's going on

01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.536
but I think when you load this up like

01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:19.560
it is um as being suggested by councelor

01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:23.320
my colleague I I believe this is not a

01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:25.175
good idea so from a traffic point of

01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.095
view I think it's an appalling concept

01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:29.655
because I think as I said it's bad

01:52:29.679 --> 01:52:32.296
enough already and I think if even if

01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:33.816
you look at from one of the from the

01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:36.056
first um gentleman who actually made the

01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:37.416
made the comments if you actually look

01:52:37.440 --> 01:52:40.296
at some of the photos of what this is

01:52:40.320 --> 01:52:41.655
going to look like it looks like it's

01:52:41.679 --> 01:52:43.896
some sort of version of a castle in the

01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:46.296
middle of in the middle of the homes and

01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:49.095
on top of this you've got children up up

01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:51.816
on the up on the upper area which

01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:54.536
despite the um the soundproofing

01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:57.095
allegedly that's being involved in it.

01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.256
You can't this is going to be a very

01:52:59.280 --> 01:53:01.816
noisy area for whatever happens in this

01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:03.336
with the numbers. I I think there's

01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:05.736
insufficient car parking spaces where

01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:07.416
there's I think there was 14 I think

01:53:07.440 --> 01:53:09.416
that was listed there. I think it's

01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:11.256
clearly it's insufficient for for

01:53:11.280 --> 01:53:13.336
something like that. And you can see

01:53:13.360 --> 01:53:14.856
what's going to happen out the front of

01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:17.416
it with people in the car the car

01:53:17.440 --> 01:53:19.896
parking spaces are being used, people

01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:22.456
trying to get in. That whole area is

01:53:22.480 --> 01:53:24.135
going to be blocked is my view with

01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:26.615
this. I think this is an illthoughtout

01:53:26.639 --> 01:53:28.376
concept. I think it's just thought out

01:53:28.400 --> 01:53:31.256
because this is probably from the

01:53:31.280 --> 01:53:34.215
owner's pers perspective. I suspect he

01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:35.976
thought potentially he's going to make

01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:37.416
more money out of it, but rather than

01:53:37.440 --> 01:53:39.496
building building a couple of units. I

01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:41.016
know what most of the residents around

01:53:41.040 --> 01:53:42.615
there would have liked. They would have

01:53:42.639 --> 01:53:44.456
liked to see the unions. And I must say

01:53:44.480 --> 01:53:47.480
must say um I know black Boris well. I

01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:52.040
mean my family moved into Boris in 19

01:53:52.320 --> 01:53:55.320
1993 after I was reelected into the seat

01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:57.976
of Morty and it was part of where we

01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:00.536
lived was part of the old seat of old

01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:02.936
old city of Morty before it became the

01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:05.416
city of Kingston and Bayside. And

01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:08.440
clearly this is a home area where people

01:54:08.639 --> 01:54:11.639
and children grow up. Um it remains to

01:54:12.320 --> 01:54:15.320
be that at to the anious extent and I

01:54:16.560 --> 01:54:18.936
see this sort of crash cur

01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:20.456
commercialization

01:54:20.480 --> 01:54:22.135
that they think they can add to it and

01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.575
it's going to benefit the city. It's

01:54:23.599 --> 01:54:25.336
certainly not going to benefit the city.

01:54:25.360 --> 01:54:27.336
It may benefit the owner. I think it's

01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:29.496
going to devalue the properties of the

01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.736
people who live live near it. So, good

01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:33.655
luck in trying to sell them when your

01:54:33.679 --> 01:54:35.655
house is up for sale and you've got this

01:54:35.679 --> 01:54:38.679
thing opposite you next door. You're not

01:54:38.719 --> 01:54:40.695
going to you're going to lose out of it.

01:54:40.719 --> 01:54:42.856
I mean, we've see we've seen examples of

01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:45.095
this elsewhere when these things happen.

01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.575
What happens is when when something like

01:54:47.599 --> 01:54:50.056
this comes up, then the houses next door

01:54:50.080 --> 01:54:53.016
get cheaper and so and and it starts to

01:54:53.040 --> 01:54:54.615
run down the neighborhood. So in my

01:54:54.639 --> 01:54:57.336
view, Bowie is a great area to live in

01:54:57.360 --> 01:55:00.215
and I think this does not help bo Bowie

01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.296
being a great great area to live in. So

01:55:02.320 --> 01:55:04.695
I support the motion as moved by my

01:55:04.719 --> 01:55:05.336
colleague.

01:55:05.360 --> 01:55:07.575
Thank you.

01:55:07.599 --> 01:55:09.736
Councelor Hockey had a question or

01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:12.215
a question Madame Mayor for um Miss

01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:15.239
Archer Balls. Just councelor Lee raises

01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:17.416
a good point in relation to traffic as

01:55:17.440 --> 01:55:20.440
does councelor Irlicht. I wonder in the

01:55:20.719 --> 01:55:23.336
interests of um just having something um

01:55:23.360 --> 01:55:25.256
read into the record of the debate

01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:28.056
tonight, could we please just have an

01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:30.376
assessment or a summary of what what the

01:55:30.400 --> 01:55:32.536
application or what the documentation

01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:35.336
says are the traffic implications

01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:38.360
in the in the formal um sense

01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.095
through the chair just to clarify the

01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:44.936
question you wanted to understand the

01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:46.135
traffic generation.

01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:47.655
Yes, please. just a just a little bit

01:55:47.679 --> 01:55:50.679
more of an assessment  to assist us 

01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:53.016
around what the traffic implications are

01:55:53.040 --> 01:55:55.896
claimed to be. I'm not seeking to

01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:57.976
contradict council Lee. I think he makes

01:55:58.000 --> 01:55:59.175
a good point and it'd be just

01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:01.175
interesting to understand what the raw

01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:02.695
data says.

01:56:02.719 --> 01:56:05.496
I might refer this to to the manager of

01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:06.776
development services who've got some

01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:08.296
more detail on the assessment that was

01:56:08.320 --> 01:56:11.320
undertaken.

01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:16.119
Um through you madame Mayor. Um the

01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:18.536
application was referred to council's

01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:21.560
traffic department. Um they analyzed the

01:56:22.320 --> 01:56:25.320
area as well as what was proposed. I'm

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:28.536
not

01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.560
um what they determined was that the

01:56:32.080 --> 01:56:35.080
generation of this proposal

01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:38.695
being aware of the other activities in

01:56:38.719 --> 01:56:41.416
the area that the road network could

01:56:41.440 --> 01:56:44.440
accommodate  the demand that was um to

01:56:45.280 --> 01:56:48.280
be generated. It was considered that the

01:56:48.320 --> 01:56:51.256
two um main activities of this proposal

01:56:51.280 --> 01:56:53.095
in the high school would occur at

01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:56.119
different peak times um and therefore

01:56:56.639 --> 01:56:59.639
not   conflict with one another and

01:57:01.360 --> 01:57:04.215
they considered that the road network um

01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:07.239
would suitably cope  in terms of the

01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.760
car parking  proposed for the child

01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:14.840
care center. the numbers that are are

01:57:15.440 --> 01:57:18.440
provided on the site satisfy what is

01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:22.056
required by the planning scheme.

01:57:22.080 --> 01:57:24.135
Councilors may recall that there was a

01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:26.135
review by the state government on the

01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:29.159
number of parking required for land uses

01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.376
and that is why the number of parking

01:57:32.400 --> 01:57:34.776
spaces on the site was reduced because

01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:37.800
the calculation has reduced. Um the

01:57:38.960 --> 01:57:40.936
combination of the spaces that are

01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.960
provided on the site of those 14 

01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:47.496
three are provided for staff, one is

01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:49.655
disabled and the rest would be available

01:57:49.679 --> 01:57:52.679
for other users.

01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:57.016
Thank you. Any further questions of the

01:57:57.040 --> 01:58:00.040
officer council councelor Hockley? Any

01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:04.199
debate? Further debate. Councelor Elmo.

01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:09.095
Madame Mayor, just I'm echoing my fellow

01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:10.776
councilors, councelor Irlicht and

01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:12.135
councelor Lee,

01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:13.816
but I'd like to emphasize that I

01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:16.296
actually have absolutely um I'm I'm

01:58:16.320 --> 01:58:18.456
actually very concerned about the

01:58:18.480 --> 01:58:21.256
acquistic treatment for the open area.

01:58:21.280 --> 01:58:23.575
Being one who have done lots of work

01:58:23.599 --> 01:58:25.896
actually I've done work on chiller rooms

01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:28.215
and lots of construction where I used

01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:31.239
acquistic insulations just the open type

01:58:32.400 --> 01:58:35.400
area in the back concerns me a lot. So

01:58:36.320 --> 01:58:37.736
 in my opinion no matter what the

01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:40.376
acoustics engineer is going to say there

01:58:40.400 --> 01:58:43.400
is going to be  an impact on the

01:58:43.599 --> 01:58:46.599
amenity of 124B and the property on the

01:58:47.040 --> 01:58:49.496
back 2/114

01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:52.456
I believe which I don't believe I'm

01:58:52.480 --> 01:58:54.296
satisfied that the acoustic treatment

01:58:54.320 --> 01:58:57.320
here is going to manage it properly. 

01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:01.000
at the same time I have a concern that

01:59:01.440 --> 01:59:03.736
 having been now on council for six

01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.760
years I always find that it's always

01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:08.776
start with an application like this and

01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:11.336
then there is always proposals to

01:59:11.360 --> 01:59:14.135
increase and reduce. we've seen here on

01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:17.159
page  46 it noted that  a

01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:19.976
consultation didn't occur but after the

01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.456
advertising an amendment came in and

01:59:22.480 --> 01:59:23.976
there was an increase in the number of

01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:27.000
children from 95 to 100 also a reduction

01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:30.119
in car parking and I can assure you from

01:59:30.400 --> 01:59:32.215
my experience in Brighton and some

01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:34.856
what's happening around Brighton now it

01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:36.536
will come back to council in few years

01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:37.896
from now and they would increase the

01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:40.135
number again and they would reduce car

01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:43.159
parking again that seems to be the way

01:59:43.280 --> 01:59:46.280
 operators  are working these days.

01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:49.416
It just you need to get an permit in and

01:59:49.440 --> 01:59:51.095
then you build on that permit in the

01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:54.119
future and rather than allowing and and

01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:55.976
I'm actually supporting a refusal at

01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:58.856
this stage because I believe the highest

01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.256
and best use there is a block of town

02:00:01.280 --> 02:00:04.280
houses and not an age care not sorry a

02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:07.800
childare center. Thank you.

02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:11.000
Thank you councelor Elmo. um further

02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:14.119
debate on the floor. I'll I'll say a few

02:00:14.800 --> 02:00:17.800
words. This is my ward and I also 

02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:21.336
spend a lot of time traveling up and

02:00:21.360 --> 02:00:23.976
down that  stretch there and have had

02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:26.056
my daughter play at those playing fields

02:00:26.080 --> 02:00:28.695
as well, ovals um of a weekend in

02:00:28.719 --> 02:00:30.615
football and dropping her off for

02:00:30.639 --> 02:00:33.639
training there. It's a very very busy

02:00:34.400 --> 02:00:37.400
intersection there near this proposed um

02:00:38.080 --> 02:00:40.215
development. there's a lot of comeings

02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.615
and goings all day long and even until

02:00:42.639 --> 02:00:44.376
10 o'clock at night with the soccer

02:00:44.400 --> 02:00:47.400
pitches. Um, understanding that yes,

02:00:47.599 --> 02:00:50.376
this, you know, with child care centers,

02:00:50.400 --> 02:00:52.456
they open earlier earlier than school,

02:00:52.480 --> 02:00:54.456
but you can't make that assumption. I

02:00:54.480 --> 02:00:56.776
didn't always drop my children. When I

02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:58.615
had one at school, I would time it so

02:00:58.639 --> 02:01:00.695
that I was dropping one at child care

02:01:00.719 --> 02:01:02.776
center after I dropped the other one to

02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:05.575
school. Um this isn't a primary school

02:01:05.599 --> 02:01:07.256
might be slightly different but it's a

02:01:07.280 --> 02:01:09.336
very large school with a lot of students

02:01:09.360 --> 02:01:11.736
secondary school students coming and

02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:13.655
going riding their bikes. There's a

02:01:13.679 --> 02:01:16.679
dedicated bike cycle  way in the

02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:18.695
morning. So one side of that road there

02:01:18.719 --> 02:01:21.575
you you can't park and of an evening

02:01:21.599 --> 02:01:23.416
it's the other side of the road outside

02:01:23.440 --> 02:01:25.736
this child care center. So, I do

02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:28.215
question where staff will park when

02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:30.776
there's a only three allocated spots for

02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:33.800
30 members of staff. Um, you can't

02:01:34.080 --> 02:01:37.080
assume that 100 parents will all live

02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:39.575
close by and want to walk their children

02:01:39.599 --> 02:01:41.655
to and from that child care center.

02:01:41.679 --> 02:01:44.296
You've got to um anticipate on a wet day

02:01:44.320 --> 02:01:46.456
there will be 100 cars coming in the

02:01:46.480 --> 02:01:49.480
morning, dropping off 100 children and

02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:52.296
100 coming of an afternoon um early

02:01:52.320 --> 02:01:54.215
evening to pick them up. So that's a lot

02:01:54.239 --> 02:01:56.936
of traffic in and out of that one area

02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.496
there that just when you've got 900

02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:01.816
students entering the school over the

02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:03.736
road too, it's a it's a big

02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:06.760
consideration. I safety for me. Um,

02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:09.575
moving on to the acoustics, I just find

02:02:09.599 --> 02:02:11.816
this very

02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:13.976
alarming really and unacceptable. When

02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:17.000
you choose to move opposite a school or

02:02:17.280 --> 02:02:19.416
have a school built over the road, I

02:02:19.440 --> 02:02:21.256
think you would go that's great for the

02:02:21.280 --> 02:02:23.736
community. There will be noise of a

02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:25.976
lunchtime for 45 minutes. There will be

02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:27.896
noise of a morning and potentially an

02:02:27.920 --> 02:02:29.496
afternoon if there's an afternoon break

02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:32.520
for 20 minutes. Not constant noise all

02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:35.800
day long from 7:00 until 6:00 or, you

02:02:36.880 --> 02:02:39.416
know, 6:30 till 6:30, whatever's been

02:02:39.440 --> 02:02:42.135
proposed here. , child care centers

02:02:42.159 --> 02:02:44.615
get children outside as much as possible

02:02:44.639 --> 02:02:46.856
because little kids need to run around,

02:02:46.880 --> 02:02:49.880
scream, , play ball, do whatever. to

02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:53.239
have that next to you with continual

02:02:53.280 --> 02:02:55.896
noise all day long when many of us are

02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:57.655
working from home now. That's just the

02:02:57.679 --> 02:03:00.536
norm. Actually, it's the law now. We we

02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:02.215
meant to be working from home a couple

02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:04.536
of days a week. It's just not acceptable

02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:06.936
for those um surrounding eight or nine

02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:09.960
homes that back onto this proposed um 

02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:12.936
development. And given that there's

02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.175
already one on the corner with 40

02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:16.936
children, if you go and stand outside

02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:19.095
there, it's very very loud, which I have

02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:21.736
done. So, I totally reject this

02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:24.760
application. Um, would you like a right

02:03:25.040 --> 02:03:26.695
to reply? Okay, let's put this to the

02:03:26.719 --> 02:03:29.719
vote. All those in, um, yeah, in

02:03:30.719 --> 02:03:32.936
support, councelor Eri, councelor

02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:35.336
Murray, councelor El Moalam, councelor

02:03:35.360 --> 02:03:38.056
Lee, councelor McIntosh, in support of

02:03:38.080 --> 02:03:41.080
the rejection of the

02:03:41.360 --> 02:03:43.496
council Harkley, councelor Taylor

02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:46.520
Haynes, and so it is carried. Thank you.

02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:03.095
Moving on to item 10.3, submission in

02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:05.016
response to information shared on

02:04:05.040 --> 02:04:06.936
infrastructure contribution plan

02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:08.856
suburban rail loop. There were no

02:04:08.880 --> 02:04:10.536
requests to be heard. Can I have a

02:04:10.560 --> 02:04:12.456
mover, please? Councelor Lee and a

02:04:12.480 --> 02:04:15.175
seconder.

02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:17.336
Councelor McIntosh. Thank you. Councelor

02:04:17.360 --> 02:04:19.496
Lee, do you wish to debate?

02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:22.520
I do. Madame Chair, can I say this

02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:27.655
whole sherade of the Suburban Rail Loop?

02:04:27.679 --> 02:04:30.679
And  I've just given you all a

02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.960
fantastic photo of um a Facebook page

02:04:35.440 --> 02:04:38.440
that was put out by um none other than

02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:41.095
the premier actually. And it's a great

02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:44.119
view of the future of Cheltam.

02:04:44.719 --> 02:04:47.655
It's  was put out on the 31st of

02:04:47.679 --> 02:04:50.679
October 2024 and it said, "Hey, Chelham,

02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:54.920
here's a sneak peek into the year 250."

02:04:55.599 --> 02:04:58.296
And what it showed you is a cartoon

02:04:58.320 --> 02:05:01.320
drawings of 18story buildings all over

02:05:02.080 --> 02:05:05.080
the place. Right? So, this isn't my

02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:08.119
imagination. This was put out by the

02:05:08.239 --> 02:05:10.215
premier herself

02:05:10.239 --> 02:05:13.239
about how important we are on Facebook.

02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:17.336
This is a joke. Now, leaving aside the

02:05:17.360 --> 02:05:18.936
fact, and I won't get too involved in

02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.960
it, with her $35 billion project, which

02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:24.695
in truth that was 5 years ago. It's

02:05:24.719 --> 02:05:26.776
probably close to 50 or god knows

02:05:26.800 --> 02:05:28.856
whatever. So, it's not true. It's not a

02:05:28.880 --> 02:05:31.256
real figure in any case. But I'm going

02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:32.936
to concentrate

02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:34.936
a bit more hard line about a couple of

02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:37.655
things about this because I think we're

02:05:37.679 --> 02:05:39.816
getting closer and you council may

02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:42.840
remember I've been let's say encouraging

02:05:43.360 --> 02:05:45.816
with motions of motions at notice of

02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:48.376
motions on a whole range of things and

02:05:48.400 --> 02:05:50.856
we recently had the water authorities

02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:52.456
turning up to have a chat to us about

02:05:52.480 --> 02:05:54.456
what was going on and it was very

02:05:54.480 --> 02:05:55.816
interesting when they turn up. This was

02:05:55.840 --> 02:05:58.056
the suburban rail loop in in in essence

02:05:58.080 --> 02:06:01.016
of the drainage issues that it all came

02:06:01.040 --> 02:06:02.695
about because of two of the motions that

02:06:02.719 --> 02:06:05.496
I put up and we and it was in secret

02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:07.095
this meeting. So that was we were told

02:06:07.119 --> 02:06:09.496
we couldn't talk about it. Right. So

02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:11.416
Melbourne Water comes to us and say it's

02:06:11.440 --> 02:06:14.440
you know this is a an in camera an in

02:06:14.480 --> 02:06:16.856
camera meeting it was that we speak as

02:06:16.880 --> 02:06:19.416
if if any public servant I've ever known

02:06:19.440 --> 02:06:21.095
all the years if they're not the biggest

02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:23.416
squealers when they don't like someone I

02:06:23.440 --> 02:06:26.440
don't know who is but here's the real

02:06:26.480 --> 02:06:29.480
facts about it things that this is going

02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:32.520
to affect us. We already know that the

02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:36.536
amount of water coming towards us

02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:39.336
outside of Bayside is going to be

02:06:39.360 --> 02:06:41.976
significant because of what's going on

02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:44.135
in terms of number of buildings that

02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:46.936
have been built and our drainage system

02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:49.960
for example is um 40s 50s and 60s that's

02:06:50.639 --> 02:06:52.936
out of date. I'm going to concentrate on

02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:55.816
a couple of minor um not minor but some

02:06:55.840 --> 02:06:58.215
examples of what what what the what we

02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:00.615
can't get out of out of this suburban

02:07:00.639 --> 02:07:03.575
rail loop out of this own documents. 

02:07:03.599 --> 02:07:06.599
for example, aquatic facilities from the

02:07:06.719 --> 02:07:09.095
 from the ICP funding pool. As it

02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:12.119
stands, the ICP excludes funding for

02:07:12.320 --> 02:07:15.175
aquitic aquit aquatic centers. Now,

02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:17.256
that's interesting in itself. A big

02:07:17.280 --> 02:07:18.776
facility that we're going to be building

02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.496
at some point of view. They knew we'd

02:07:21.520 --> 02:07:23.416
probably be after money. And so there it

02:07:23.440 --> 02:07:25.575
is in the document that we can't see. We

02:07:25.599 --> 02:07:28.599
can see. We also know that Melbourne

02:07:28.639 --> 02:07:30.376
Water have been currently doing their

02:07:30.400 --> 02:07:32.615
studies all over Melbourne. Still

02:07:32.639 --> 02:07:34.296
looking forward to see whether we

02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:35.655
whether we're going to get it before the

02:07:35.679 --> 02:07:38.376
election in Bayside. My money's on it if

02:07:38.400 --> 02:07:41.400
you must know. Not likely given at least

02:07:42.079 --> 02:07:43.816
one Labour members of parliament might

02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:45.896
well be in a bit of trouble. But here's

02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:48.920
just to to re remember what's happened

02:07:49.599 --> 02:07:52.135
just on drainage

02:07:52.159 --> 02:07:55.159
elsewhere by Melbourne Water.

02:07:55.280 --> 02:07:58.280
The fact is in Daraban for example has

02:07:58.400 --> 02:08:01.016
gone from 9,000 something to 38,000

02:08:01.040 --> 02:08:04.040
flooding  yara 9,000 to 21 and you can

02:08:04.800 --> 02:08:06.296
go all over the place. So whatever

02:08:06.320 --> 02:08:08.296
happens when you do all these buildings

02:08:08.320 --> 02:08:10.536
and there's no drainage with it, we're

02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:12.856
for it. Now I don't think most people

02:08:12.880 --> 02:08:15.416
yet know that one of the most important

02:08:15.440 --> 02:08:17.736
things about this when um the government

02:08:17.760 --> 02:08:19.896
does this there's a little thing called

02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:22.296
the water act. Now what the water act

02:08:22.320 --> 02:08:25.320
does and if I can quote it as  the

02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:27.575
agend the principle is that any

02:08:27.599 --> 02:08:30.296
development must [ __ ] the flow of

02:08:30.320 --> 02:08:33.256
pre-development levels so as not to

02:08:33.280 --> 02:08:34.936
increase the concentration of flood

02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:37.896
water downstream so causing a flood or

02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:40.920
damaging etc because that means you can

02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:43.736
take legal action against them allegedly

02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:45.336
and I can tell you out of all of this

02:08:45.360 --> 02:08:48.215
what's going to happen is we are going

02:08:48.239 --> 02:08:50.856
to be hit by sufficient

02:08:50.880 --> 02:08:51.736
Can I have one?

02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:53.256
Would you like an extension of time? Can

02:08:53.280 --> 02:08:55.175
we have a move? Councelor Er, second

02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:57.175
councelor Hockley. All those in favor?

02:08:57.199 --> 02:09:00.055
Councelor Irlicht, Murray, Elmo,

02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:01.816
McIntosh, Taylor Haynes.

02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:04.055
Thank you. My point in all of this is

02:09:04.079 --> 02:09:06.936
there's no homework being done by the

02:09:06.960 --> 02:09:09.960
authorities. It's why at the very first

02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:12.536
time this came up and I was told about

02:09:12.560 --> 02:09:15.175
it and  the Herald son ran it

02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:17.655
reasonably well is I described what

02:09:17.679 --> 02:09:19.336
we're going to look like in about 20

02:09:19.360 --> 02:09:21.095
years time. We're Collingwood by the

02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:24.119
sea. That's what we are. Collingwood by

02:09:24.400 --> 02:09:26.296
the sea.

02:09:26.320 --> 02:09:28.296
Well, you'll be you'll be you'll be all

02:09:28.320 --> 02:09:29.655
following Collingwood, mate, because

02:09:29.679 --> 02:09:31.816
we'll be Collingwood by the sea. Look, I

02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:33.655
know you you're you're very important in

02:09:33.679 --> 02:09:35.336
in running all of this for them. That's

02:09:35.360 --> 02:09:37.655
good. I know that. But council, please

02:09:37.679 --> 02:09:38.055
keep us.

02:09:38.079 --> 02:09:40.055
We have to oppose. We have to oppose

02:09:40.079 --> 02:09:41.416
what they're doing. They're not going to

02:09:41.440 --> 02:09:43.095
do what they're supposed to. They're

02:09:43.119 --> 02:09:45.016
just going to wreck us our community,

02:09:45.040 --> 02:09:46.296
frankly.

02:09:46.320 --> 02:09:49.320
Thank you, Councelor McIntosh.

02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:51.816
Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'll be very

02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:54.615
brief. Um, this report details the

02:09:54.639 --> 02:09:56.135
office's submission to the state

02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.055
government responding to information and

02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:00.296
noting that we have not yet received all

02:10:00.320 --> 02:10:02.776
the relevant information rather some of

02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:04.856
the information on the infrastructure

02:10:04.880 --> 02:10:07.575
contribution plan around the SRL. The

02:10:07.599 --> 02:10:09.575
key concern around here is the very

02:10:09.599 --> 02:10:12.055
significant funding gap which appears to

02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:13.736
fall on council particularly for the

02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:15.896
larger scale infrastructure required to

02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:17.736
support and accompany the projected

02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:19.816
population growth. I'd like to thank the

02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:21.416
officers for their good work in

02:10:21.440 --> 02:10:23.416
responding to this in good faith and yet

02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:25.736
again in a short turnaround time. Thank

02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:27.095
you.

02:10:27.119 --> 02:10:29.976
Thank you councelor Erile.

02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:32.055
Look I'd just like to reiterate what

02:10:32.079 --> 02:10:33.736
councelor McIntosh has said. Thank you

02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:35.976
very much to the officers  for the

02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.816
work that h has gone into this and I

02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:39.256
know it's a lot of work and I I feel

02:10:39.280 --> 02:10:41.976
very sorry for you because you know you

02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:43.416
you've put so much time and effort into

02:10:43.440 --> 02:10:45.976
it. To what end? What a waste of time.

02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:47.896
This government doesn't care. They want

02:10:47.920 --> 02:10:50.055
submissions, but they don't care. We've

02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:53.079
seen this over and over and over.

02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:55.575
They can't manage their own backyard.

02:10:55.599 --> 02:10:57.336
How are they going to manage ours? This

02:10:57.360 --> 02:10:58.936
is a government who knows what's better

02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:01.016
for us in their own municipality than

02:11:01.040 --> 02:11:03.175
they do. I think we've seen examples of

02:11:03.199 --> 02:11:04.695
this coming out of the poll bureau in

02:11:04.719 --> 02:11:06.695
Moscow.

02:11:06.719 --> 02:11:09.655
Thank you officers for the work.

02:11:09.679 --> 02:11:12.135
Thank you, Councelor Irlichtt. Any further

02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:13.816
debate? Councelor Elmo.

02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:15.655
A question by the Mayor of the officers.

02:11:15.679 --> 02:11:17.976
Um, out of the money that the state

02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:19.416
government is going to be making from

02:11:19.440 --> 02:11:21.655
the infrastructure contribution plan, do

02:11:21.679 --> 02:11:23.256
you have an idea what they are going to

02:11:23.280 --> 02:11:26.280
provide for our municipality

02:11:30.320 --> 02:11:31.896
through the chair? , we haven't been

02:11:31.920 --> 02:11:33.175
provided with a draft infrastructure

02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:34.856
contributions plan as yet. That'll

02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:37.095
include the detail of the specific um

02:11:37.119 --> 02:11:39.655
measures projects that can be funded and

02:11:39.679 --> 02:11:42.679
specific types of projects. Um it has

02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:45.095
been difficult to provide comment on on

02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:46.536
this process because we haven't had all

02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.776
of the information. Customarily in a

02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:50.695
process like a a structure plan like the

02:11:50.719 --> 02:11:52.615
SRL has you would have a structure plan

02:11:52.639 --> 02:11:54.456
and an infrastructure contributions plan

02:11:54.480 --> 02:11:56.135
released at the same time and it would

02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:57.896
talk talk to what the need for

02:11:57.920 --> 02:11:59.896
infrastructure is and talk to what the

02:11:59.920 --> 02:12:01.416
the cost of that infrastructure will be

02:12:01.440 --> 02:12:02.695
and how to aortion that through

02:12:02.719 --> 02:12:04.615
different sites. This process has been

02:12:04.639 --> 02:12:05.976
unusual in the fact that they've been

02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:07.496
separated and there's been a lack of

02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:09.336
information.

02:12:09.360 --> 02:12:11.175
Just just to make it probably a bit

02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:14.199
simpler if am I correct by saying that

02:12:14.400 --> 02:12:16.215
from that infrastructure contribution

02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:19.239
plan we are going to be collecting it on

02:12:19.360 --> 02:12:21.175
behalf of the state government. We leave

02:12:21.199 --> 02:12:24.199
some we give them the rest and by 2032

02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:26.856
when that triple in value there is no

02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:29.175
guarantee that our portion would

02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:32.199
actually increase. Is that right?

02:12:32.480 --> 02:12:34.296
That is correct. We're advised that when

02:12:34.320 --> 02:12:37.320
the um value goes up to $33,924

02:12:38.239 --> 02:12:40.135
per dwelling, council's share of that

02:12:40.159 --> 02:12:41.496
will not increase. So, we'll be

02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:43.416
collecting that on behalf of the state

02:12:43.440 --> 02:12:45.016
um government and having to be providing

02:12:45.040 --> 02:12:46.055
that to them.

02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:47.816
Okay. Just thank you. I'll just say a

02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:50.840
few words. It's I I find it a bit um

02:12:51.760 --> 02:12:53.896
I can't put it in the right words, but

02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:56.695
here we are.  so, we earlier or last

02:12:56.719 --> 02:12:59.175
year we collected on behalf of the state

02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:02.199
government the emergency service levy.

02:13:02.800 --> 02:13:05.496
We passed it on to them and now there is

02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:07.175
an infrastructure contribution plan.

02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:10.135
They expect council also to collect it

02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:12.135
on their behalf, leave a bit of it and

02:13:12.159 --> 02:13:14.856
then give them the rest and then they go

02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:16.936
on the other hand and they cry about

02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:19.496
housing affordability and housing

02:13:19.520 --> 02:13:22.520
supply. So yeah, that's great. But if

02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.095
you're going to tax the hell, it is

02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:27.256
basically a text that's being collected

02:13:27.280 --> 02:13:29.736
through council that people are not even

02:13:29.760 --> 02:13:32.296
aware of it yet. But that's what I see

02:13:32.320 --> 02:13:34.055
is going to be happening. I really hope

02:13:34.079 --> 02:13:37.079
some people the people wake up. And um

02:13:37.119 --> 02:13:39.095
as for the housing affordability the way

02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:41.175
it's going, good luck.

02:13:41.199 --> 02:13:42.695
 thank you for the officers for

02:13:42.719 --> 02:13:45.719
preparing this  um  submission.

02:13:47.360 --> 02:13:47.976
Thank you.

02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:49.736
Councelor Lee, do you have a question?

02:13:49.760 --> 02:13:51.496
I do. All right.

02:13:51.520 --> 02:13:54.520
On page 103, and I'll quote officers are

02:13:55.599 --> 02:13:57.736
concerned that during this period, this

02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:00.135
is timing of funding. this period there

02:14:00.159 --> 02:14:01.655
could be a significant number of

02:14:01.679 --> 02:14:03.336
planning applications that receive

02:14:03.360 --> 02:14:06.360
approvals without contributions towards

02:14:06.639 --> 02:14:08.296
the infrastructure needs and I'm

02:14:08.320 --> 02:14:10.615
wondering if you could explain to us how

02:14:10.639 --> 02:14:12.376
is it that this can happen that we're

02:14:12.400 --> 02:14:14.695
going to get permits and then there's no

02:14:14.719 --> 02:14:17.655
infrastructure costs involved

02:14:17.679 --> 02:14:19.575
through the chair  recently the

02:14:19.599 --> 02:14:20.936
planning controls have come into the

02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:22.536
planning scheme which provides for the

02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:24.456
increase in development um associated

02:14:24.480 --> 02:14:26.776
with the suburban rail loop um develop

02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:28.536
infrastructure contributions plans

02:14:28.560 --> 02:14:30.296
aren't  scheduled to come into effect

02:14:30.320 --> 02:14:33.175
until the 1st of January 2027. So any

02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:35.496
permits issued between now and the 1st

02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:37.655
of January 2027 would not have any

02:14:37.679 --> 02:14:39.336
infrastructure contributions payments

02:14:39.360 --> 02:14:41.095
required.

02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:44.119
Um further question um have we has

02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:46.776
anybody done any calculations what it

02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:49.016
might cost council in terms of lost

02:14:49.040 --> 02:14:51.416
income or what it's going to cost in

02:14:51.440 --> 02:14:52.856
terms of infrastructure that we might

02:14:52.880 --> 02:14:55.880
have to do that we're not being paid for

02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:58.296
through the chair. Um, it's difficult to

02:14:58.320 --> 02:15:00.215
calculate what the the cost would be. It

02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:01.896
would it would be based on how many

02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:03.816
applications we'd received. As far as

02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:05.655
I'm aware, we've had no pre-application

02:15:05.679 --> 02:15:07.016
discussions at this stage, but that's

02:15:07.040 --> 02:15:08.135
not to say that there won't be any

02:15:08.159 --> 02:15:11.159
coming over the coming months.

02:15:13.599 --> 02:15:16.599
Thank you. Any further debate?

02:15:18.560 --> 02:15:20.296
Question councelor.

02:15:20.320 --> 02:15:21.175
Yes.

02:15:21.199 --> 02:15:22.936
Just to follow up on councelor Elmo

02:15:22.960 --> 02:15:24.215
Alamman I think I might have asked this

02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:26.376
previously perhaps for um the director

02:15:26.400 --> 02:15:27.976
of planning. I'm not sure who to direct

02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:31.000
this to um but following on that  all

02:15:31.199 --> 02:15:33.496
these contributions that are going to be

02:15:33.520 --> 02:15:36.520
paid for new housing to make it more

02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:38.856
affordable. How does that the maths

02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:40.296
work? I was never I'm a very simple

02:15:40.320 --> 02:15:43.256
person. Maths wasn't my um forte.

02:15:43.280 --> 02:15:44.695
Although I did well in maths in age 12

02:15:44.719 --> 02:15:46.615
but it wasn't my forte. So how does it

02:15:46.639 --> 02:15:49.639
work that you you it costs you more and

02:15:49.679 --> 02:15:50.776
at the other end it's going to be

02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:51.896
cheaper and more affordable. Could

02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:54.920
someone explain that

02:15:55.360 --> 02:15:57.496
through the chair? The basis of of

02:15:57.520 --> 02:15:59.256
development contributions through the um

02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:00.776
planning in Victoria is that is a

02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:02.215
contribution to the cost of

02:16:02.239 --> 02:16:04.376
infrastructure. Um the state governor

02:16:04.400 --> 02:16:06.135
very clear that is not a cost recovery

02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:07.736
mechanism. There would there is

02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:09.896
generally a shortfold um payable by

02:16:09.920 --> 02:16:12.055
local government for um the difference

02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:13.896
between what can be reclaimed back

02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:15.336
through development contributions and

02:16:15.360 --> 02:16:16.695
then what the cost of the infrastructure

02:16:16.719 --> 02:16:19.719
is.

02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:21.175
Thank you for that. But how does it make

02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:22.936
it cheaper, more affordable for the

02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:25.960
under that wants to buy a house?

02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:27.575
Or is this just coming from a government

02:16:27.599 --> 02:16:29.496
that's lost their way that's got no idea

02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:31.336
and that's why we're in the state

02:16:31.360 --> 02:16:32.936
counselor loud and clear. That's why

02:16:32.960 --> 02:16:34.535
we're in the state that we're in and

02:16:34.559 --> 02:16:36.375
none of us have had have any money to do

02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:37.256
what we need to do.

02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:38.535
Yeah. Thank you, councelor. You made

02:16:38.559 --> 02:16:40.856
your point. Um, councelor Lee, further

02:16:40.880 --> 02:16:41.976
question.

02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:44.216
Um, if you look at some of the plans, it

02:16:44.240 --> 02:16:46.216
shows they're all behind Southland

02:16:46.240 --> 02:16:48.535
18tory buildings. Is that what they're

02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:51.016
still talking about or is it And I am

02:16:51.040 --> 02:16:54.040
also aware that in Pennyale when someone

02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:57.319
was attempting to build a two two unit

02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:01.399
two units you you know side by side they

02:17:01.519 --> 02:17:03.816
were told they couldn't build it the two

02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:06.840
but as if they went to three they were

02:17:07.280 --> 02:17:10.216
all able to build build but if they

02:17:10.240 --> 02:17:12.216
tried to do two units where that

02:17:12.240 --> 02:17:15.096
Pennyale area there was going to be no.

02:17:15.120 --> 02:17:18.120
Are you aware of that

02:17:18.800 --> 02:17:20.295
through the chair? I'm not aware of that

02:17:20.319 --> 02:17:21.736
specific circumstance you're speaking

02:17:21.760 --> 02:17:24.056
to, but there are a variety of increased

02:17:24.080 --> 02:17:26.216
height limits that have been um that

02:17:26.240 --> 02:17:27.896
have been gazetted through the planning

02:17:27.920 --> 02:17:29.736
scheme for the Penny Dale um area and

02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:32.760
for the the structure plan area.

02:17:34.960 --> 02:17:37.096
Thank you councilors. Any further

02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:39.096
debate? Otherwise, councelor Lee, you

02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:42.120
have a right of reply.

02:17:44.399 --> 02:17:47.256
The fact is it's limited to what we can

02:17:47.280 --> 02:17:50.216
do simply because this is the state

02:17:50.240 --> 02:17:53.240
state government doing it. I guess um

02:17:53.439 --> 02:17:56.439
one from my point of view um hopefully

02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.936
they'll lose and someone else will be

02:17:58.960 --> 02:18:00.455
thinking about what they need to do

02:18:00.479 --> 02:18:03.479
because frank frankly

02:18:04.000 --> 02:18:05.896
you can you can be lucky and I might be

02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.920
lucky. You never know. My point is

02:18:09.280 --> 02:18:11.495
the way I see this this has just been

02:18:11.519 --> 02:18:14.519
something that's dumped on us. Um, it is

02:18:15.439 --> 02:18:18.439
a a concept that's not $35 billion

02:18:19.280 --> 02:18:20.776
anymore from the government's point of

02:18:20.800 --> 02:18:22.776
view. It's more closer to 50 to 60

02:18:22.800 --> 02:18:25.736
billion. As to what is going to come out

02:18:25.760 --> 02:18:27.335
of this towards the end of the election,

02:18:27.359 --> 02:18:29.896
when the election's on, who knows? But I

02:18:29.920 --> 02:18:31.896
think if we're not careful, it's going

02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:34.535
to take change the character of our

02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:36.615
community in a way that none of us have

02:18:36.639 --> 02:18:39.639
any idea of. And as I go back to my old

02:18:39.679 --> 02:18:41.096
line, and I'm not a Collingwood

02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:44.120
supporter, but I'm I must say we are

02:18:44.399 --> 02:18:47.016
going to be overbuilt. We will have less

02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:49.176
open space for people. And there's a

02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:50.615
report coming, I understand, from

02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:53.639
council on that. There is going to be um

02:18:54.399 --> 02:18:57.399
a your road system won't cope.  under

02:18:58.399 --> 02:19:00.535
already in Bay Road, if you look what's

02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:03.559
going on around that area, um you can't

02:19:03.679 --> 02:19:05.896
they won't build a new bridge, which is

02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:08.776
140 150 million. So that is going to

02:19:08.800 --> 02:19:11.495
become an even bigger nightmare and all

02:19:11.519 --> 02:19:13.176
they're going to give us is a nightmare

02:19:13.200 --> 02:19:15.575
from what the way I see it and  I

02:19:15.599 --> 02:19:16.856
think they're seeking to change the

02:19:16.880 --> 02:19:18.455
character of Bayside in a way that

02:19:18.479 --> 02:19:20.936
nobody in Bayside wants.

02:19:20.960 --> 02:19:22.856
Thank you councelor Lee. Let's put this

02:19:22.880 --> 02:19:25.880
to the vote. All those in favor of the

02:19:26.559 --> 02:19:28.936
recommendation. Councelor Erilet,

02:19:28.960 --> 02:19:30.856
Councelor Murray, Councelor El Malam,

02:19:30.880 --> 02:19:32.535
Councelor Lee, Councelor McIntosh,

02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:34.216
Councelor Hockley, Councelor Taylor

02:19:34.240 --> 02:19:37.240
Haynes. And so it is carried.

02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:40.760
activity centers in car.

02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:44.280
Yes, you made a point there too. Um 10

02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:47.816
10.4 city of Bayside thematic

02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:50.840
environmental history 2026. So

02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:53.176
councilors, you will be aware of the

02:19:53.200 --> 02:19:54.696
amendment to the officer's

02:19:54.720 --> 02:19:57.720
recommendation now shown on the screen.

02:19:58.080 --> 02:20:00.696
 that would allow for the CEO to

02:20:00.720 --> 02:20:03.256
approve any nonsubstantive final

02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:06.136
adjustments to the document. Um and we

02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:08.295
are considering following some minor

02:20:08.319 --> 02:20:10.936
points of  clarification that have

02:20:10.960 --> 02:20:13.960
come to light. Um

02:20:15.520 --> 02:20:17.496
okay and councelor McIntosh you have a

02:20:17.520 --> 02:20:19.256
question.

02:20:19.280 --> 02:20:22.280
Oh okay happy to move. Um

02:20:51.439 --> 02:20:53.976
So, councelor McIntosh, are you wishing

02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:57.000
to move this as it is or are you adding

02:21:16.080 --> 02:21:19.080
Yeah, that is

02:21:22.960 --> 02:21:25.415
you got it. Okay.

02:21:25.439 --> 02:21:27.256
So, councelor McIntosh, are you happy

02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:30.280
with that? Do you want to read it out?

02:21:30.479 --> 02:21:31.896
Yes. The whole thing.

02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:33.976
Mhm.

02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:36.536
Oh, just item two. That's That's now

02:21:36.560 --> 02:21:39.560
Okay. Just just item two. Um second part

02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:41.816
of the amended recommendation that is

02:21:41.840 --> 02:21:44.056
notes that the city of Bayside heritage

02:21:44.080 --> 02:21:47.080
prioritization review 2026 be considered

02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:48.696
at a future council meeting.

02:21:48.720 --> 02:21:50.616
Yes. And and this gives us a chance for

02:21:50.640 --> 02:21:53.640
a bit more review and debate on on this.

02:21:54.080 --> 02:21:57.080
Um okay. Do we have a seconder?

02:21:57.280 --> 02:21:59.496
Councelor Hockley. Thank you. So,

02:21:59.520 --> 02:22:02.520
Councelor McIntosh, you can debate.

02:22:03.359 --> 02:22:05.496
Thank you, Madame Mayor. , this piece

02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:08.520
of work was voted on  to support last

02:22:08.800 --> 02:22:11.800
March, that is March 2025, and provides

02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:13.335
a comprehensive update on the

02:22:13.359 --> 02:22:15.415
municipality's previous thematic

02:22:15.439 --> 02:22:18.375
environmental heritage from 1999, which

02:22:18.399 --> 02:22:21.256
is now 27 years ago. Now, we're in a

02:22:21.280 --> 02:22:23.176
very different place to what we were

02:22:23.200 --> 02:22:26.200
even then. Um and this was noted as the

02:22:26.479 --> 02:22:28.295
highest priority action in the heritage

02:22:28.319 --> 02:22:31.319
action plan of 2025.  this very

02:22:31.520 --> 02:22:33.096
substantial document provides some

02:22:33.120 --> 02:22:35.176
detailed and fascinating insights into

02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:38.200
Bayside's history. I do note however

02:22:38.240 --> 02:22:40.616
that there do remain some final further

02:22:40.640 --> 02:22:42.375
additional minor amendments and

02:22:42.399 --> 02:22:44.936
clarification. Hence the amended

02:22:44.960 --> 02:22:47.016
recommendation compared to what is seen

02:22:47.040 --> 02:22:49.656
in the agenda.  I do actually think

02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:51.096
that's really important. if we're only

02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:53.976
looking at this document every 27 years,

02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:55.736
let's make it as good as what it can be.

02:22:55.760 --> 02:22:57.496
So, if it needs to take another couple

02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.520
of weeks um to take on some additional

02:23:00.720 --> 02:23:03.720
um recommendations, then  happy with

02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:06.760
that. Um the accompanying prioritization

02:23:08.000 --> 02:23:10.295
review does provide council with some

02:23:10.319 --> 02:23:12.216
considered guidance on the subjects of

02:23:12.240 --> 02:23:15.016
future heritage studies in Bayside. I

02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:17.256
note as the Boyd ward counselor that it

02:23:17.280 --> 02:23:19.736
this does highlight the gap in terms of

02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:21.496
studies looking at inter war heritage

02:23:21.520 --> 02:23:23.335
and other periods in Sandringham and

02:23:23.359 --> 02:23:25.576
Hampton particularly and look forward to

02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:27.816
this debate coming back to council for

02:23:27.840 --> 02:23:30.840
consideration. Thank you.

02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:32.936
Thank you councelor McIntosh councelor

02:23:32.960 --> 02:23:34.856
Huckley.

02:23:34.880 --> 02:23:36.375
Thank you madame Mayor. will just very

02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:39.399
briefly  add my support  to this

02:23:39.600 --> 02:23:42.295
project as um worthy and forward-looking

02:23:42.319 --> 02:23:44.216
and necessary after such a long interval

02:23:44.240 --> 02:23:46.295
from the last one. But I also will note

02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:48.696
that um one of the gaps that that

02:23:48.720 --> 02:23:50.455
existed in the in the p in the very

02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:52.936
excellent piece of work that was done 

02:23:52.960 --> 02:23:55.816
relates to um the um the Hyatt and

02:23:55.840 --> 02:23:58.840
Hampton East areas which um do have 

02:23:59.120 --> 02:24:02.120
an interesting um  history

02:24:03.120 --> 02:24:05.656
and  deserve to be incorporated into

02:24:05.680 --> 02:24:07.736
the document which I understand efforts

02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:10.760
are being made to do as we speak.

02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:16.680
Thank you, Councelor Murray. Just very

02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:18.616
briefly, I just wanted to echo and

02:24:18.640 --> 02:24:20.295
support um Councelor McIntosh's

02:24:20.319 --> 02:24:22.455
remarks. I'm really am um passionate

02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:24.936
like her about heritage and preserving

02:24:24.960 --> 02:24:27.335
what we have. Um and it's not just about

02:24:27.359 --> 02:24:29.096
individual buildings, about it's about

02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:32.120
place. It's about history. Um and it's

02:24:32.960 --> 02:24:35.096
about streetscapes, parks, gardens, all

02:24:35.120 --> 02:24:37.816
of those um sort of entities can fall

02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:40.295
within this idea of heritage. And it

02:24:40.319 --> 02:24:42.136
becomes ever more important when we talk

02:24:42.160 --> 02:24:44.936
about um increasing development. We see

02:24:44.960 --> 02:24:47.176
um that development at Flower House on

02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:49.576
Hampton Street and the fact that u there

02:24:49.600 --> 02:24:51.415
are a number of beautiful shop fronts

02:24:51.439 --> 02:24:53.256
that will no doubt be destroyed in that

02:24:53.280 --> 02:24:55.016
and it is a pity that there was no

02:24:55.040 --> 02:24:58.040
heritage overlay um on that building. So

02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:01.399
I look forward to advancing um these

02:25:01.439 --> 02:25:04.439
issues as we go forward.

02:25:04.720 --> 02:25:06.776
Thank you. Any further debate

02:25:06.800 --> 02:25:09.016
councilors?

02:25:09.040 --> 02:25:12.040
Councelor McIntosh, any bright of reply?

02:25:13.439 --> 02:25:15.736
Just very briefly, Madame Mayor, happy

02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:18.760
to um see this um put to the vote, but I

02:25:19.520 --> 02:25:21.256
would also just like to acknowledge and

02:25:21.280 --> 02:25:23.576
thank the locals, including our local

02:25:23.600 --> 02:25:25.496
community groups of the Sandingham and

02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:27.096
District Historical Society, the

02:25:27.120 --> 02:25:29.896
Brighton Historical Society, um and many

02:25:29.920 --> 02:25:31.736
other community groups and individuals

02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:34.295
for contributing to this study as well.

02:25:34.319 --> 02:25:36.696
Thank you.

02:25:36.720 --> 02:25:39.720
Thank you. All those in favor.

02:25:40.800 --> 02:25:43.415
So councelor Irlicht, Murray, Elmoalam,

02:25:43.439 --> 02:25:45.896
Lee, McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor Haynes.

02:25:45.920 --> 02:25:48.920
And so it is carried.

02:25:50.560 --> 02:25:52.776
Item 10.55,

02:25:52.800 --> 02:25:55.415
draft health and inclusion plan, a year

02:25:55.439 --> 02:25:58.439
2 action plan 2026 27. There were no

02:25:58.960 --> 02:26:00.936
requests to be heard. Can we have a

02:26:00.960 --> 02:26:03.960
mover, please? Okay, councelor Elmo's

02:26:04.479 --> 02:26:06.616
just leaving the chamber. Do we have a

02:26:06.640 --> 02:26:09.640
mover for the item? Councelor Irlichtt and

02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:13.976
a seconder.

02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:16.216
Councelor Hockley. Thank you, Councelor

02:26:16.240 --> 02:26:19.240
Irlichtt.

02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:40.856
wish to debate or

02:26:40.880 --> 02:26:43.576
 no but I have some questions.

02:26:43.600 --> 02:26:45.736
Okay. Of the officers

02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:48.536
of the officers unfortunately look just

02:26:48.560 --> 02:26:51.335
to um the director could you tell us

02:26:51.359 --> 02:26:54.359
who's actually authored this report?

02:26:59.920 --> 02:27:01.656
through

02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:03.656
through the chair. Do you mean the

02:27:03.680 --> 02:27:05.016
covering report?

02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:05.496
Yeah.

02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:08.520
Um that has been authored by  the

02:27:09.920 --> 02:27:12.616
health and inclusion  the officer. It

02:27:12.640 --> 02:27:15.640
has been reviewed by the manager and to

02:27:15.760 --> 02:27:16.856
me for

02:27:16.880 --> 02:27:18.936
Okay. And there's one manager involved

02:27:18.960 --> 02:27:21.816
or one manager. Okay. Thank you.

02:27:21.840 --> 02:27:23.415
All right. Um I'm pleased we've

02:27:23.439 --> 02:27:24.936
clarified that. Can I ask some

02:27:24.960 --> 02:27:27.960
questions? It talks about on page 178

02:27:28.240 --> 02:27:30.056
the social cohesion framework addressing

02:27:30.080 --> 02:27:31.656
anti-semitism.

02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:33.176
Um

02:27:33.200 --> 02:27:35.496
the action plan states that council will

02:27:35.520 --> 02:27:37.335
and I'll quote develop a framework for

02:27:37.359 --> 02:27:39.576
strengthening social cohesion that

02:27:39.600 --> 02:27:41.656
addresses anti-semitism

02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:43.496
end quote

02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:46.136
with community services as lees.  in

02:27:46.160 --> 02:27:47.656
September last year we unanimous

02:27:47.680 --> 02:27:50.680
unanimously  adopted that. um can you

02:27:52.080 --> 02:27:53.736
provide a specific commencement date for

02:27:53.760 --> 02:27:55.736
develop for the development of this

02:27:55.760 --> 02:27:58.696
framework and identify which officer

02:27:58.720 --> 02:28:01.496
will be responsible for that and just a

02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:03.415
ballpark I won't hold you to it of when

02:28:03.439 --> 02:28:05.656
we can expect something

02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:08.680
um through the chair so we will we are

02:28:08.720 --> 02:28:10.936
aiming to have the report  the

02:28:10.960 --> 02:28:13.176
framework completed this year by the end

02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:16.200
of this year December it will be led by

02:28:16.800 --> 02:28:19.800
the social planning and policy officer

02:28:20.560 --> 02:28:22.696
Thank you.

02:28:22.720 --> 02:28:24.616
Um,

02:28:24.640 --> 02:28:26.696
I've got some further questions if

02:28:26.720 --> 02:28:28.216
that's all right. , we talk about

02:28:28.240 --> 02:28:30.216
smoking and vaping harm reduction and

02:28:30.240 --> 02:28:33.240
the illegal tobacco trade on page 180

02:28:33.359 --> 02:28:35.896
and page 203.

02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:37.736
Um,

02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:39.335
the report provides several pages

02:28:39.359 --> 02:28:40.936
detailing the health harms associated

02:28:40.960 --> 02:28:43.896
with tobacco and vaping. Um, but it's

02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:45.816
silent on the growing illegal tobacco

02:28:45.840 --> 02:28:48.375
trade, which clearly undermines public

02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:50.216
health initiatives by making cheap

02:28:50.240 --> 02:28:51.896
unregulated tobacco products more

02:28:51.920 --> 02:28:53.976
readily available. What specific

02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:56.455
actions, if any, is Bayside City Council

02:28:56.479 --> 02:28:58.616
taking in partnership with Victoria

02:28:58.640 --> 02:28:59.816
Police, the Department of Health, and

02:28:59.840 --> 02:29:01.896
other regulators to combat the illicit

02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:04.375
tobacco market within Bayside. And I'll

02:29:04.399 --> 02:29:05.256
make the point that several

02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:07.415
municipalities including Stonington have

02:29:07.439 --> 02:29:09.816
publicly reported coordinated

02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:11.736
enforcement activity on elicit tobacco

02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:14.760
and vaping products

02:29:15.359 --> 02:29:18.056
um through the chair. So our

02:29:18.080 --> 02:29:20.455
environmental health officers do

02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:23.479
undertake  tobacing and the

02:29:24.880 --> 02:29:27.880
 selling of tobacco to young people.

02:29:28.560 --> 02:29:31.560
Um so that occurs I'm um I might hand

02:29:32.399 --> 02:29:35.399
over to the director of planning.

02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:38.616
 just what we're doing in relation to

02:29:38.640 --> 02:29:41.415
the illegal um trade in tobacco and

02:29:41.439 --> 02:29:43.896
vaping if anything

02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:46.056
through the chair. Um council officers

02:29:46.080 --> 02:29:47.656
are leazing quite heavily with state

02:29:47.680 --> 02:29:49.335
government in terms of um the illegal

02:29:49.359 --> 02:29:51.736
tobacco um industry. Council doesn't

02:29:51.760 --> 02:29:53.176
have a lot of powers in terms of

02:29:53.200 --> 02:29:55.415
enforcement of that. This is state state

02:29:55.439 --> 02:29:58.216
government um legislation. Um but

02:29:58.240 --> 02:29:59.816
council is working quite strong strongly

02:29:59.840 --> 02:30:02.136
with state government on the issue.

02:30:02.160 --> 02:30:03.736
Thank you. Just as a followup and I do

02:30:03.760 --> 02:30:05.415
appreciate that inform enforcement

02:30:05.439 --> 02:30:08.056
powers um primarily rests with state

02:30:08.080 --> 02:30:11.080
agencies but what advocacy intelligence

02:30:11.439 --> 02:30:13.736
sharing compliance activity or local

02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:16.760
partnership work is council undertaking

02:30:16.880 --> 02:30:19.880
if any to support these agencies.

02:30:21.680 --> 02:30:23.576
So in other words what's bite actually

02:30:23.600 --> 02:30:25.335
doing rather than simply acknowledging

02:30:25.359 --> 02:30:27.256
that the issue exists if anything. So

02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:29.976
through you madam Mayor um first of all

02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:33.000
council has um implemented um

02:30:33.600 --> 02:30:35.736
a number of actions in the past some of

02:30:35.760 --> 02:30:37.096
those becoming more difficult and I'll

02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:38.936
come to the difficult piece  in a

02:30:38.960 --> 02:30:40.696
moment um but primarily our

02:30:40.720 --> 02:30:42.295
environmental health officers they

02:30:42.319 --> 02:30:45.319
undertake um regular um inspections of

02:30:45.439 --> 02:30:48.375
all um registered tobacco um premises 

02:30:48.399 --> 02:30:50.536
to ensure that they are compliant with

02:30:50.560 --> 02:30:52.776
the relevant um environmental health

02:30:52.800 --> 02:30:54.455
requirements. Now that doesn't allow us

02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:56.616
to enforce but it does allow us to gain

02:30:56.640 --> 02:30:58.696
intel about whether there is any think

02:30:58.720 --> 02:31:00.295
that does need to be reported to police

02:31:00.319 --> 02:31:01.976
and we would then work with police by

02:31:02.000 --> 02:31:04.136
providing them any intel about um

02:31:04.160 --> 02:31:06.056
unlawful actions. One of the other

02:31:06.080 --> 02:31:07.496
things that we have done in the past but

02:31:07.520 --> 02:31:10.520
has now become um subject to the state

02:31:10.800 --> 02:31:13.256
government removing funding um was 

02:31:13.280 --> 02:31:15.896
would do test purchasing for um sale of

02:31:15.920 --> 02:31:18.856
tobacco to minor. Um the state

02:31:18.880 --> 02:31:20.696
government used to provide  funding

02:31:20.720 --> 02:31:23.720
and um a a qualified um under 18 um

02:31:25.680 --> 02:31:27.896
person to go and do test purchasing. 

02:31:27.920 --> 02:31:30.216
that no longer occurs. Um and we are

02:31:30.240 --> 02:31:31.736
currently lobbying um the state

02:31:31.760 --> 02:31:33.576
government to seek that funding to be

02:31:33.600 --> 02:31:36.136
reinstated to assist us in our  work

02:31:36.160 --> 02:31:39.160
in um identifying illegal um I guess

02:31:39.520 --> 02:31:42.136
trade in the tobacco section.

02:31:42.160 --> 02:31:43.576
Okay. Thank you. I've got some further

02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:45.096
questions. I'm sorry I've got a few.

02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:47.896
This is a fairly important document.

02:31:47.920 --> 02:31:50.920
Um if we look at page 182 section 3.1.2

02:31:52.240 --> 02:31:54.216
um it lists Victoria Police as a key

02:31:54.240 --> 02:31:56.056
external partner in promoting safety and

02:31:56.080 --> 02:31:58.216
crime prevention. What specific

02:31:58.240 --> 02:31:59.736
operational activities does council

02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:01.896
undertake with Victoria Police under

02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:04.536
this partnership? And how is this

02:32:04.560 --> 02:32:06.696
effectiveness of that partnership if it

02:32:06.720 --> 02:32:09.720
exists measured?

02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:13.000
Um through the chair. So we um lead and

02:32:14.080 --> 02:32:16.936
facilitate a community safety forum and

02:32:16.960 --> 02:32:19.816
Victoria Police sit on that and it has a

02:32:19.840 --> 02:32:21.816
number of other stakeholders, local

02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:24.840
organizations, regional organizations.

02:32:24.960 --> 02:32:27.960
 we do take a proactive approach and

02:32:28.080 --> 02:32:31.080
work together to look at what we can do

02:32:31.120 --> 02:32:33.335
in a proactive way to support the

02:32:33.359 --> 02:32:35.415
Bayside community. So it is focused on

02:32:35.439 --> 02:32:38.439
the Bayside community. We also um have a

02:32:39.120 --> 02:32:41.656
very strong relationship with Victoria

02:32:41.680 --> 02:32:44.295
Police. So where there are hotspots,

02:32:44.319 --> 02:32:46.776
they will work with us to put additional

02:32:46.800 --> 02:32:49.800
patrols in place. Um they um were

02:32:50.640 --> 02:32:53.496
certainly are available tonight as if

02:32:53.520 --> 02:32:56.520
they were required. So they work very

02:32:56.880 --> 02:32:59.880
closely with us. We um they are holding

02:33:00.080 --> 02:33:03.080
a police forum on the 30th of July at

02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:05.816
the Sandringham Yacht Club for the

02:33:05.840 --> 02:33:08.840
Bayside um community. Um and that is so

02:33:09.439 --> 02:33:11.335
that they can understand what the needs

02:33:11.359 --> 02:33:12.856
are and what the issues are for the

02:33:12.880 --> 02:33:15.576
Bayside community. And then we look at

02:33:15.600 --> 02:33:18.136
how we work together. They also twice a

02:33:18.160 --> 02:33:21.160
year will come to a council session and

02:33:22.720 --> 02:33:24.696
speak with counselors to understand from

02:33:24.720 --> 02:33:26.536
counselors what you are hearing out in

02:33:26.560 --> 02:33:28.375
the community and how we can

02:33:28.399 --> 02:33:30.856
strategically work together to support.

02:33:30.880 --> 02:33:32.216
Thank you. Is there any way we can

02:33:32.240 --> 02:33:33.496
measure the effectiveness of the

02:33:33.520 --> 02:33:35.176
partnership

02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:36.856
and I don't know the answer to that. Are

02:33:36.880 --> 02:33:37.976
there any metrics that

02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.375
um through through the chair? I think

02:33:40.399 --> 02:33:43.399
the metrics are um how safe so through

02:33:44.160 --> 02:33:46.216
our community satisfaction survey how

02:33:46.240 --> 02:33:49.240
safe our community  feel whether it's

02:33:49.280 --> 02:33:51.976
perceived or real safety. So we do know

02:33:52.000 --> 02:33:54.536
that over the last 12 months that has

02:33:54.560 --> 02:33:57.560
reduced from people um having 17% of our

02:33:58.880 --> 02:34:01.736
community saying  safety was the

02:34:01.760 --> 02:34:04.760
highest priority. It reduced to 12% um

02:34:04.800 --> 02:34:07.016
in this recent community satisfaction

02:34:07.040 --> 02:34:07.496
survey.

02:34:07.520 --> 02:34:09.656
Thank you. Um I'll draw your attention

02:34:09.680 --> 02:34:12.680
to page 185.  action 5.2.2 includes

02:34:13.920 --> 02:34:16.375
treaty readiness. Can you explain what

02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:18.216
that means in practical terms for

02:34:18.240 --> 02:34:21.240
Bayside?

02:34:27.439 --> 02:34:30.216
Um so through the chair that that is

02:34:30.240 --> 02:34:32.696
about making sure that as a as a

02:34:32.720 --> 02:34:35.335
community that we  work together that

02:34:35.359 --> 02:34:37.896
everyone feels safe that in terms of 

02:34:37.920 --> 02:34:40.920
cultural needs that we understand the

02:34:41.280 --> 02:34:44.280
needs both of the um indigenous

02:34:44.399 --> 02:34:46.776
community but also as we need to

02:34:46.800 --> 02:34:48.856
understand the needs of everyone in our

02:34:48.880 --> 02:34:49.576
community.

02:34:49.600 --> 02:34:51.496
Thank you. Is this not referring to the

02:34:51.520 --> 02:34:53.415
new legislation, the treaty that's being

02:34:53.439 --> 02:34:55.656
introduced by the Victorian government?

02:34:55.680 --> 02:34:56.375
No, it's not.

02:34:56.399 --> 02:34:57.016
It's not.

02:34:57.040 --> 02:34:58.216
No.

02:34:58.240 --> 02:34:59.896
Okay.

02:34:59.920 --> 02:35:01.496
Um,

02:35:01.520 --> 02:35:04.520
page 190, it presents a range of statist

02:35:04.560 --> 02:35:06.936
statistics comparing outcomes for women

02:35:06.960 --> 02:35:08.696
and men.

02:35:08.720 --> 02:35:10.455
Um given that it's so topical at the

02:35:10.479 --> 02:35:12.616
moment, we've heard this being litigated

02:35:12.640 --> 02:35:15.016
in Canberra. Could you advise whether

02:35:15.040 --> 02:35:16.856
the Health and Inclusion Plan adopts a

02:35:16.880 --> 02:35:18.776
formal definition of a woman for the

02:35:18.800 --> 02:35:20.616
purposes of collecting, interpreting,

02:35:20.640 --> 02:35:22.776
and reporting of this data,

02:35:22.800 --> 02:35:25.800
councelor? Um can we just take this

02:35:26.080 --> 02:35:27.576
offline?

02:35:27.600 --> 02:35:29.496
It's Yeah, I'm not sure that's

02:35:29.520 --> 02:35:30.536
appropriate.

02:35:30.560 --> 02:35:33.016
You don't think so? It talks about 

02:35:33.040 --> 02:35:34.696
comparing a r presenting a range of

02:35:34.720 --> 02:35:37.720
statistics for women and men.

02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:40.136
I think the point's probably been made.

02:35:40.160 --> 02:35:43.160
It's probably not fair to ask that and

02:35:43.200 --> 02:35:45.576
irrelevant to this debate here.

02:35:45.600 --> 02:35:48.600
You think it's but it's in the papers.

02:35:48.880 --> 02:35:50.375
The definition of a woman is on

02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.056
Well, I'm asking do we have a

02:35:52.080 --> 02:35:53.576
definition? This is a very topical

02:35:53.600 --> 02:35:54.056
matter.

02:35:54.080 --> 02:35:56.455
Yeah, I've been most recently.

02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:58.295
Yeah, I've been advised by governance.

02:35:58.319 --> 02:36:01.319
It's not relevant to this part. So if I

02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:04.056
can just enter um to close this

02:36:04.080 --> 02:36:06.216
conversation out um where definitions

02:36:06.240 --> 02:36:08.136
are not provided with any document we'd

02:36:08.160 --> 02:36:11.160
refer back to the McQuary dictionary

02:36:11.359 --> 02:36:13.176
of female

02:36:13.200 --> 02:36:14.536
that was easy and I think it is highly

02:36:14.560 --> 02:36:16.856
relevant given that it's been litigated

02:36:16.880 --> 02:36:18.776
in CRA just recently we've seen in the

02:36:18.800 --> 02:36:20.375
Senate

02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:23.335
Mi Cash asking questions to that effect

02:36:23.359 --> 02:36:26.136
so I think it is highly relevant

02:36:26.160 --> 02:36:29.160
um

02:36:31.120 --> 02:36:34.120
Well,

02:36:34.960 --> 02:36:36.536
um,

02:36:36.560 --> 02:36:38.856
all right. Um, if I can draw you to page

02:36:38.880 --> 02:36:41.880
193, , the report here cites United

02:36:42.560 --> 02:36:44.856
Nations Conventions. My goodness. On the

02:36:44.880 --> 02:36:46.696
rights of persons with disabilities and

02:36:46.720 --> 02:36:48.536
the United Nations Declarations on the

02:36:48.560 --> 02:36:50.216
Rights of Indigenous Peoples as guiding

02:36:50.240 --> 02:36:51.976
frameworks.

02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:54.776
Given that Victoria and the Commonwealth

02:36:54.800 --> 02:36:57.800
have comprehensive domestic legislation

02:36:58.640 --> 02:37:00.056
which are listed here, it includes the

02:37:00.080 --> 02:37:02.136
Disability Act, Equal Opportunity Act,

02:37:02.160 --> 02:37:03.496
the Charter of Human Rights and

02:37:03.520 --> 02:37:05.335
Responsibilities Act, and other relevant

02:37:05.359 --> 02:37:07.256
statutes. Could you explain why we're

02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:08.856
relying on international instruments in

02:37:08.880 --> 02:37:11.096
Bayside City Council? Why is that

02:37:11.120 --> 02:37:13.256
necessary? What practical value do they

02:37:13.280 --> 02:37:16.280
add beyond existing Australian law?

02:37:17.200 --> 02:37:20.200
Um, through the chair, no, I cannot

02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:22.455
explain that. um here tonight. What I

02:37:22.479 --> 02:37:24.856
can say is the background paper was

02:37:24.880 --> 02:37:27.880
adopted by council in September 25. That

02:37:28.479 --> 02:37:30.936
this part you're referring to. What is

02:37:30.960 --> 02:37:33.960
up for council tonight to adopt is the

02:37:34.319 --> 02:37:37.319
um year 2 action plan.

02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:39.335
Madame Mayor,

02:37:39.359 --> 02:37:41.256
councelor Hockley, you have a question.

02:37:41.280 --> 02:37:43.176
No, I I move the motion be put I mean

02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:45.176
I'm I'm entertained by councelor Ellik's

02:37:45.200 --> 02:37:47.335
questions, but  I do have a bed to go

02:37:47.359 --> 02:37:48.856
to at some stage and I think

02:37:48.880 --> 02:37:51.176
Can I just ask one more question?

02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:54.200
It's not even me.

02:37:54.560 --> 02:37:56.375
Councelor Ellit, one more question and

02:37:56.399 --> 02:37:58.375
then have you suggested we put this

02:37:58.399 --> 02:38:00.216
suggest we I suggest we the motion be

02:38:00.240 --> 02:38:03.176
put mad.

02:38:03.200 --> 02:38:04.856
All right, put the motion in. That's

02:38:04.880 --> 02:38:07.335
okay. I'll ask

02:38:07.359 --> 02:38:08.455
offline.

02:38:08.479 --> 02:38:11.256
Okay.  councilors, we've been asked to

02:38:11.280 --> 02:38:14.280
vote. All those in favor,  please vote

02:38:14.800 --> 02:38:17.800
now. Councelor Erile, Murray, Elmo

02:38:18.160 --> 02:38:21.096
Muallam, Lee, McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor,

02:38:21.120 --> 02:38:24.120
Haynes, and so it is carried. Moving on

02:38:24.319 --> 02:38:27.176
to 10.6, conflict of interest policy

02:38:27.200 --> 02:38:29.576
review. There were no questions to be 

02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:31.335
no requests to be heard. Can I have a

02:38:31.359 --> 02:38:34.056
mover, please? Councelor Irlichtt and a

02:38:34.080 --> 02:38:37.016
seconder, Councelor Hockley.

02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:39.256
Councelor Irlichtt.

02:38:39.280 --> 02:38:42.136
Madame Mayor, thank you.

02:38:42.160 --> 02:38:43.896
This report notes that the proposed

02:38:43.920 --> 02:38:46.136
legislative amendments would impose even

02:38:46.160 --> 02:38:48.536
stricter conflict of interest obligation

02:38:48.560 --> 02:38:50.375
on counselors,

02:38:50.399 --> 02:38:52.216
including prohibiting discussion on

02:38:52.240 --> 02:38:55.176
matters where a conflict exists.

02:38:55.200 --> 02:38:57.096
A question. Could officers explain why

02:38:57.120 --> 02:39:00.120
local government is being held to this

02:39:00.319 --> 02:39:03.016
enhanced statutory standard when

02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:04.696
comparable conflict of interest

02:39:04.720 --> 02:39:07.576
provisions do not apply to members of

02:39:07.600 --> 02:39:10.375
the Victorian Parliament making planning

02:39:10.399 --> 02:39:12.056
decisions that affect their own

02:39:12.080 --> 02:39:14.776
electorates or property interests?

02:39:14.800 --> 02:39:17.415
Has council made any representation to

02:39:17.439 --> 02:39:19.496
the state government about ensuring

02:39:19.520 --> 02:39:21.896
consistent standards of public

02:39:21.920 --> 02:39:24.455
accountability across all level of

02:39:24.479 --> 02:39:26.616
governments?

02:39:26.640 --> 02:39:29.576
 through the chair council um are

02:39:29.600 --> 02:39:31.736
obliged to comply with the local

02:39:31.760 --> 02:39:33.415
government act as to what the state

02:39:33.439 --> 02:39:35.096
government does that is with the state

02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:38.120
government.

02:39:39.359 --> 02:39:41.415
made your point. Councelor Irlicht, very

02:39:41.439 --> 02:39:44.439
well and clear. Would you like to debate

02:39:45.359 --> 02:39:47.736
the matter?

02:39:47.760 --> 02:39:49.256
I think I've said enough.

02:39:49.280 --> 02:39:51.576
Okay. Councilor Hockley.

02:39:51.600 --> 02:39:54.056
No. Okay. Anyone else on the floor?

02:39:54.080 --> 02:39:55.976
Would you like to debate on this? Okay.

02:39:56.000 --> 02:39:57.976
All let's put it to the vote. All those

02:39:58.000 --> 02:40:00.856
in favor? Councelor Irlichtt, Murray,

02:40:00.880 --> 02:40:03.880
Elmo, Lee, McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor

02:40:04.080 --> 02:40:07.080
Haynes. And so it is carried.

02:40:10.399 --> 02:40:13.176
Item 10.7 proposed naming of the

02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:16.200
Sandringham Athletics Track to the Roy

02:40:16.800 --> 02:40:19.736
Boyd Athletics Track.  there were no

02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:21.415
requests to be heard. Can I have a

02:40:21.439 --> 02:40:24.439
mover, please? Councelor McIntosh and a

02:40:24.800 --> 02:40:27.800
seconder, Councelor Irlichtt.

02:40:27.920 --> 02:40:30.920
Councelor McIntosh.

02:40:33.280 --> 02:40:36.280
Councelor

02:40:42.160 --> 02:40:45.096
McIntosh my microphone. Thank you.

02:40:45.120 --> 02:40:48.120
Start again. Um I am very supportive of

02:40:48.800 --> 02:40:50.856
this proposal to rename the Sandringham

02:40:50.880 --> 02:40:53.880
Athletics Track to the Roy Boyd Roy Boyd

02:40:54.160 --> 02:40:57.160
Athletics Track Honoring Roy Boyd OAM

02:40:57.680 --> 02:40:59.976
outstanding contribution both to the

02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:02.936
club and to Australian athletics.  Mr.

02:41:02.960 --> 02:41:04.856
Boyd has been described as the doyenne

02:41:04.880 --> 02:41:06.696
of Australian hurdles coaching for much

02:41:06.720 --> 02:41:08.856
of its modern history and the attached

02:41:08.880 --> 02:41:11.880
letters of support to  this report

02:41:12.160 --> 02:41:13.896
from the local senior and little

02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:16.056
athletics club, athletics Victoria,

02:41:16.080 --> 02:41:18.375
athletics Australia and the Boyd family

02:41:18.399 --> 02:41:21.399
attest to this. Thank you madame Mayor

02:41:23.439 --> 02:41:25.496
and councelor.

02:41:25.520 --> 02:41:27.335
Thank you madame Mayor. Look, I do

02:41:27.359 --> 02:41:30.359
support the naming of this   track

02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:33.656
after Roy Boyd Boyd OAM because of his

02:41:33.680 --> 02:41:36.680
outstanding contribution to athletics.

02:41:37.120 --> 02:41:38.696
Recently, council received

02:41:38.720 --> 02:41:40.136
correspondence from the foreman and

02:41:40.160 --> 02:41:41.976
minister for local government

02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:43.976
encouraging greater recognition of women

02:41:44.000 --> 02:41:46.536
through the naming of public places. A

02:41:46.560 --> 02:41:48.295
question to the officers. Could officers

02:41:48.319 --> 02:41:50.696
please confirm that Bayside's naming

02:41:50.720 --> 02:41:53.096
decisions continue to be determined

02:41:53.120 --> 02:41:55.736
primarily on merit an outstanding

02:41:55.760 --> 02:41:57.656
contribution to the community

02:41:57.680 --> 02:41:59.496
irrespective

02:41:59.520 --> 02:42:02.455
irrespective madame Mayor of a person's

02:42:02.479 --> 02:42:04.375
sex gender or other personal

02:42:04.399 --> 02:42:07.399
characteristics

02:42:07.439 --> 02:42:09.415
through the chair. Yes. Um you have

02:42:09.439 --> 02:42:10.856
basically answered my question

02:42:10.880 --> 02:42:13.880
councelor. We do um base our decision-

02:42:14.080 --> 02:42:17.080
making on merit.  Roy Boyd has made a

02:42:17.200 --> 02:42:19.176
fantastic contribution to Bayside and

02:42:19.200 --> 02:42:21.415
that is the reason why he had we've

02:42:21.439 --> 02:42:24.439
decided to name the track in his honor.

02:42:25.680 --> 02:42:28.680
Thank you. And a further question um can

02:42:29.600 --> 02:42:31.656
you guarantee that the future naming

02:42:31.680 --> 02:42:33.256
proposals

02:42:33.280 --> 02:42:35.176
future ones

02:42:35.200 --> 02:42:37.415
that no applicant or nominee will be

02:42:37.439 --> 02:42:40.439
disadvantaged or advantaged because of

02:42:40.560 --> 02:42:43.016
their sex, gender, ethnicity or personal

02:42:43.040 --> 02:42:45.656
characteristic.

02:42:45.680 --> 02:42:46.056
Sorry,

02:42:46.080 --> 02:42:48.375
it's a decision of council

02:42:48.399 --> 02:42:51.335
through the chair. Um, once again, we

02:42:51.359 --> 02:42:54.216
base our  naming conventions and

02:42:54.240 --> 02:42:56.295
naming decisions around merit and

02:42:56.319 --> 02:42:58.776
contribution to community, not based on

02:42:58.800 --> 02:43:00.856
gender, sex, or anything else.

02:43:00.880 --> 02:43:02.936
I think councelor Lee, you're referring

02:43:02.960 --> 02:43:05.496
to a direction from the

02:43:05.520 --> 02:43:07.096
the minister for local government, but I

02:43:07.120 --> 02:43:09.415
will say thank and thank you for that 

02:43:09.439 --> 02:43:11.976
 Mr. Deputy Mayor. That's you're

02:43:12.000 --> 02:43:13.496
absolutely right. That is a decision

02:43:13.520 --> 02:43:15.816
that we take as council and I think it's

02:43:15.840 --> 02:43:17.496
a very important one and I think it's

02:43:17.520 --> 02:43:19.736
very important to remember that we as

02:43:19.760 --> 02:43:22.375
Bayside counselors know what is better

02:43:22.399 --> 02:43:25.399
for us than the government.

02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:27.656
We know

02:43:27.680 --> 02:43:29.816
not the government and I I I'll leave it

02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:31.096
at that.

02:43:31.120 --> 02:43:31.896
Thank you.

02:43:31.920 --> 02:43:33.415
We're not we're not in Russia.

02:43:33.439 --> 02:43:35.256
Thankfully there are so many meritorious

02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:37.896
women out there.

02:43:37.920 --> 02:43:40.856
 any further debate on the naming of

02:43:40.880 --> 02:43:43.880
the Sandringham Athletics track?

02:43:48.000 --> 02:43:49.976
Yes. Okay. Should we put it to the vote?

02:43:50.000 --> 02:43:52.216
All those in favor? Councelor Irlicht,

02:43:52.240 --> 02:43:55.240
Murray, Elma, Lee, McIntosh, Hoppley,

02:43:56.080 --> 02:43:59.080
Taylor, Haynes, and so it is carried.

02:44:00.080 --> 02:44:01.576
Yes.

02:44:01.600 --> 02:44:03.976
Bravo.

02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:07.000
Yeah. Good on you. Um 10.8 proposed

02:44:07.760 --> 02:44:10.536
grant of lease to Telra adjoining 

02:44:10.560 --> 02:44:12.696
Middle Brighton Barbs car park. There

02:44:12.720 --> 02:44:14.696
were no requests to be heard. May we

02:44:14.720 --> 02:44:16.216
have a mover please? Councelor Elmo

02:44:16.240 --> 02:44:19.240
Muallam and a seconder

02:44:19.359 --> 02:44:22.359
councelor Irlicht.

02:44:22.399 --> 02:44:24.455
Okay. Councelor Elmo.

02:44:24.479 --> 02:44:26.056
I just Madame Mayor I'd like to ask a

02:44:26.080 --> 02:44:29.080
few questions before we start. Now I

02:44:29.279 --> 02:44:32.136
believe the area the lease area is 8 12

02:44:32.160 --> 02:44:34.616
by 3 which is around 25 26 square

02:44:34.640 --> 02:44:35.816
meters.

02:44:35.840 --> 02:44:38.840
And we are leasing it at 17 12,000

02:44:40.479 --> 02:44:43.479
square meters sorry 17 12 perom.

02:44:44.880 --> 02:44:47.880
So that equate to 686.2.

02:44:49.120 --> 02:44:52.120
Have we done analysis  by compared the

02:44:52.960 --> 02:44:55.496
per square meter rate beachfront

02:44:55.520 --> 02:44:58.520
Brighton to say commercial area let's

02:44:58.960 --> 02:45:01.496
say church street to compare what's the

02:45:01.520 --> 02:45:04.375
square meterage rate.

02:45:04.399 --> 02:45:06.696
Um not in this instance but we aren't

02:45:06.720 --> 02:45:09.096
really comparing apples with apples. Um

02:45:09.120 --> 02:45:10.056
this piece of land

02:45:10.080 --> 02:45:11.736
one is beachfront one is not

02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:13.255
correct. But this is a piece of land

02:45:13.279 --> 02:45:14.856
that could not have any other purpose

02:45:14.880 --> 02:45:16.616
other than what it is being proposed in

02:45:16.640 --> 02:45:18.216
the report.

02:45:18.240 --> 02:45:21.176
Okay. I

02:45:21.200 --> 02:45:23.176
No, I understand. No, no, no. Well, some

02:45:23.200 --> 02:45:24.856
people actually propose to put vending

02:45:24.880 --> 02:45:27.176
machines in there at considerably more

02:45:27.200 --> 02:45:29.255
money. But um I'll say a few words,

02:45:29.279 --> 02:45:30.936
Madame Mayor, or or actually another

02:45:30.960 --> 02:45:33.960
question. Why are we  putting the

02:45:34.880 --> 02:45:37.880
telecommunication facility there? 

02:45:38.319 --> 02:45:40.295
what what's the reason for it? So I

02:45:40.319 --> 02:45:42.136
understand there is a need for better

02:45:42.160 --> 02:45:45.016
coverage, but why is there a need for

02:45:45.040 --> 02:45:47.896
better coverage?

02:45:47.920 --> 02:45:50.056
Well, I think it's quite apparent in

02:45:50.080 --> 02:45:51.896
Bayside that there are a number of black

02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.920
spots in terms of um Telos and we

02:45:55.520 --> 02:45:56.936
receive feedback. Not that it's

02:45:56.960 --> 02:45:59.960
necessarily for Bayside to um meet that

02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:01.976
gap. We certainly know that when an

02:46:02.000 --> 02:46:03.736
opportunity comes to us, we try and

02:46:03.760 --> 02:46:06.136
maximize um the benefits of it and

02:46:06.160 --> 02:46:08.056
provide that to back to the community.

02:46:08.080 --> 02:46:09.656
Maybe I'll re ask the question because

02:46:09.680 --> 02:46:12.136
there is an answer here on page 267

02:46:12.160 --> 02:46:14.856
where it state  previously Telster

02:46:14.880 --> 02:46:17.576
operated telecommunication facility from

02:46:17.600 --> 02:46:19.496
the middle Brighton pier pursuant to

02:46:19.520 --> 02:46:21.976
Elisu Parks Victoria and due to

02:46:22.000 --> 02:46:23.976
structural limitations of the pier that

02:46:24.000 --> 02:46:25.576
facility was not able to receive

02:46:25.600 --> 02:46:28.056
necessary upgrades and it was

02:46:28.080 --> 02:46:31.016
decommissioned. So can I understand why

02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.496
Brighton is not good enough for the

02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:36.520
Victorian government and to basically

02:46:37.760 --> 02:46:40.216
rectify and fix the pier and there the

02:46:40.240 --> 02:46:41.816
do you understand why there was a

02:46:41.840 --> 02:46:44.840
decision not to spend any money on the

02:46:44.960 --> 02:46:47.096
pier where the telecommunication

02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:48.776
currently sits

02:46:48.800 --> 02:46:50.776
through you chair I don't have um an

02:46:50.800 --> 02:46:52.856
answer as to why they decided not to do

02:46:52.880 --> 02:46:54.856
anything with the pier um I can take

02:46:54.880 --> 02:46:57.255
that on notice for you though

02:46:57.279 --> 02:46:58.776
they did Hampton that's So why I'm

02:46:58.800 --> 02:47:01.176
asking? So madame Mayor, I move this

02:47:01.200 --> 02:47:03.255
because I do understand that we need to

02:47:03.279 --> 02:47:06.279
we need better coverage in Brighton, but

02:47:06.560 --> 02:47:09.560
also I wanted to make a point that this

02:47:09.600 --> 02:47:11.736
pier is the responsibility of state

02:47:11.760 --> 02:47:13.335
government

02:47:13.359 --> 02:47:16.216
and parks Victoria

02:47:16.240 --> 02:47:19.016
decided not to rectify the pier and the

02:47:19.040 --> 02:47:21.335
current telecommunication tower there

02:47:21.359 --> 02:47:23.255
now is no longer usable because they

02:47:23.279 --> 02:47:25.896
cannot access that tower. just want to

02:47:25.920 --> 02:47:27.976
make a point that they seem to be

02:47:28.000 --> 02:47:30.136
spending money on absolutely everything

02:47:30.160 --> 02:47:33.160
from suburban rail loop um to level

02:47:34.000 --> 02:47:36.295
crossing removals to whatever you want

02:47:36.319 --> 02:47:38.536
to call it but when it comes to Brighton

02:47:38.560 --> 02:47:40.696
or the Sandingham line for this case you

02:47:40.720 --> 02:47:42.136
know not even one level crossing has

02:47:42.160 --> 02:47:45.160
been removed here we are we have a pier

02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:47.896
that's deteriorating

02:47:47.920 --> 02:47:49.816
the signal from Telstra collapsed

02:47:49.840 --> 02:47:51.896
because they couldn't access the tower

02:47:51.920 --> 02:47:53.576
and now it became all of a sudden the

02:47:53.600 --> 02:47:55.496
responsibility of bas side to provide

02:47:55.520 --> 02:47:57.736
them beachfront

02:47:57.760 --> 02:48:00.536
real estate to provide the tower. Now we

02:48:00.560 --> 02:48:02.375
are only doing it to help our rate

02:48:02.399 --> 02:48:05.016
payers here to get better coverage.

02:48:05.040 --> 02:48:08.040
But I am not happy

02:48:08.319 --> 02:48:10.856
with the way it's been handled. State

02:48:10.880 --> 02:48:12.696
government have absolutely spent no

02:48:12.720 --> 02:48:14.936
money on that pier and they decided

02:48:14.960 --> 02:48:17.255
instead just to close it down. So I

02:48:17.279 --> 02:48:18.936
wanted to make a point of it and let the

02:48:18.960 --> 02:48:21.415
residents in Bayside know why we are

02:48:21.439 --> 02:48:23.176
providing that real estate because of

02:48:23.200 --> 02:48:25.335
the lack of spending from the state

02:48:25.359 --> 02:48:28.359
government in Brighton.

02:48:28.479 --> 02:48:29.096
Thank you.

02:48:29.120 --> 02:48:30.295
They do for big

02:48:30.319 --> 02:48:32.776
councelor Elmo. Um councelor Murray, do

02:48:32.800 --> 02:48:34.616
you have a question before we

02:48:34.640 --> 02:48:36.616
quick question for the officers?  are

02:48:36.640 --> 02:48:38.216
there actually baths at Middle Brighton

02:48:38.240 --> 02:48:41.240
baths like a pool?

02:48:42.399 --> 02:48:44.936
Yeah, that's through you chair. 

02:48:44.960 --> 02:48:47.896
there's the outdoor sea bars which is

02:48:47.920 --> 02:48:50.616
surrounded by a shark proof

02:48:50.640 --> 02:48:52.295
shark proof.

02:48:52.319 --> 02:48:54.375
So but it's still part of the aquatic

02:48:54.399 --> 02:48:55.656
strategy nonetheless even though it

02:48:55.680 --> 02:48:58.680
doesn't have a pool.

02:48:59.279 --> 02:49:00.856
Councelor Erile.

02:49:00.880 --> 02:49:03.176
Thank you madame Mayor. Look I I support

02:49:03.200 --> 02:49:06.200
in support of this motion. Um I'll be

02:49:06.319 --> 02:49:08.056
brief. Don't look a gift horse in the

02:49:08.080 --> 02:49:09.335
mouth. It's a great adage isn't it?

02:49:09.359 --> 02:49:10.295
Don't you like it?

02:49:10.319 --> 02:49:12.136
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

02:49:12.160 --> 02:49:13.896
They could do this for nothing. They're

02:49:13.920 --> 02:49:15.896
giving us seven and a half grand a year.

02:49:15.920 --> 02:49:17.096
And if you want vending machines, put

02:49:17.120 --> 02:49:18.616
them on either side. No problems. I have

02:49:18.640 --> 02:49:20.616
no problems with that.

02:49:20.640 --> 02:49:22.856
I think it's a pretty simple calculus.

02:49:22.880 --> 02:49:23.896
What do you think?

02:49:23.920 --> 02:49:25.576
Mhm.

02:49:25.600 --> 02:49:27.816
Thank you. Any further debate from the

02:49:27.840 --> 02:49:29.656
floor on this?

02:49:29.680 --> 02:49:31.976
Look, it's um yeah, clear we need the

02:49:32.000 --> 02:49:35.000
coverage and I um say well done to the

02:49:35.760 --> 02:49:37.976
officers for negotiating the little bit

02:49:38.000 --> 02:49:41.000
extra as we um I think requested in in

02:49:41.279 --> 02:49:44.279
the brief film previously. So thank you.

02:49:44.479 --> 02:49:45.656
Should we put this to the

02:49:45.680 --> 02:49:46.856
Just a couple questions before we go

02:49:46.880 --> 02:49:47.896
one more question. Yeah.

02:49:47.920 --> 02:49:49.816
Yeah. Have we spoken to the Royal

02:49:49.840 --> 02:49:52.216
Bratton Club about this proposal because

02:49:52.240 --> 02:49:54.776
this equipment comes on the back of

02:49:54.800 --> 02:49:57.800
their existing building?

02:50:02.479 --> 02:50:04.056
through you chair. There are current

02:50:04.080 --> 02:50:06.455
facilities there at the moment. Um

02:50:06.479 --> 02:50:07.736
vegetation that's full of

02:50:07.760 --> 02:50:10.760
vegetation. That's correct. Um but some

02:50:11.200 --> 02:50:13.016
a small amount would have to be removed.

02:50:13.040 --> 02:50:15.016
I would have to take it on notice as as

02:50:15.040 --> 02:50:16.776
to the consultation. Also the second

02:50:16.800 --> 02:50:19.176
question is we will be  losing revenue

02:50:19.200 --> 02:50:21.656
from the car park there because I assume

02:50:21.680 --> 02:50:23.976
when Telra do that work they would be

02:50:24.000 --> 02:50:26.536
occupying some of our car spaces and

02:50:26.560 --> 02:50:28.616
they would need an area to lay down some

02:50:28.640 --> 02:50:30.536
equipment. So are they going to

02:50:30.560 --> 02:50:32.455
compensate us for the loss of revenue on

02:50:32.479 --> 02:50:33.736
these car parks?

02:50:33.760 --> 02:50:36.455
Take that on notice councelor.

02:50:36.479 --> 02:50:39.479
Okay.

02:50:39.840 --> 02:50:42.455
Okay. Should we put this to the vote?

02:50:42.479 --> 02:50:45.479
All those in favor? Councelor Irlichtt,

02:50:46.640 --> 02:50:49.496
, Councelor Elma Walam, Councelor Lee,

02:50:49.520 --> 02:50:52.136
McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor Haynes, all

02:50:52.160 --> 02:50:54.616
those against. Oh, councelor Murray,

02:50:54.640 --> 02:50:57.415
were you for? Oh, and and councelor

02:50:57.439 --> 02:51:00.439
Murray, too. So, it is carried.

02:51:05.920 --> 02:51:08.920
Fate. Oh, f. Okay.

02:51:13.200 --> 02:51:16.200
So moving on to item 10.9 the contract

02:51:18.319 --> 02:51:21.319
um con 2654 construction of B Morris

02:51:21.920 --> 02:51:24.136
Concourse toilet shelter and park

02:51:24.160 --> 02:51:27.160
upgrades. So there were two petitions

02:51:27.359 --> 02:51:30.359
earlier on in the um evening 7.2 and 7.3

02:51:32.319 --> 02:51:35.319
which refer to this um this upgrade. Um

02:51:37.439 --> 02:51:40.216
c before we put it out to be moved can I

02:51:40.240 --> 02:51:42.856
just ask a couple of questions? I', you

02:51:42.880 --> 02:51:45.656
know, as the ward counselor, um, just

02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:48.680
address, um, a a couple of the concerns.

02:51:48.720 --> 02:51:51.496
So, one being around the move in the

02:51:51.520 --> 02:51:54.136
toilet block, um, from its current

02:51:54.160 --> 02:51:57.160
location. Can we please, um, get an

02:51:57.920 --> 02:52:00.920
explanation as to why that's necessary?

02:52:01.040 --> 02:52:02.536
, yeah, thank you, chair. And through

02:52:02.560 --> 02:52:04.616
you, the toilet block is proposed to be

02:52:04.640 --> 02:52:07.335
moved um for the main reason around

02:52:07.359 --> 02:52:09.816
safety , safety of both users and

02:52:09.840 --> 02:52:12.136
people. Um it's currently placed in a

02:52:12.160 --> 02:52:15.016
busy car park.  it doesn't comply with

02:52:15.040 --> 02:52:17.896
current sort of safety design.  and so

02:52:17.920 --> 02:52:20.216
it's proposed to be moved. Um

02:52:20.240 --> 02:52:22.455
additionally  we're doubling the

02:52:22.479 --> 02:52:23.976
number of cubicles as well within the

02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:25.736
toilet block. Um according to the toilet

02:52:25.760 --> 02:52:27.736
strategy, this is one of our highest

02:52:27.760 --> 02:52:30.136
volume uses  in terms of toilet box

02:52:30.160 --> 02:52:31.816
and so we're doubling its capacity as

02:52:31.840 --> 02:52:33.016
well.

02:52:33.040 --> 02:52:35.976
Okay. So primarily around safety. Um

02:52:36.000 --> 02:52:37.736
council lady, can I just ask a couple of

02:52:37.760 --> 02:52:40.136
more questions? Yeah. Um so the the

02:52:40.160 --> 02:52:43.160
toilet block replacement too on the

02:52:43.359 --> 02:52:45.656
green there there's concern around the

02:52:45.680 --> 02:52:48.680
removal of two mature trees but should

02:52:49.120 --> 02:52:52.120
the replacement toilet um a modern

02:52:52.800 --> 02:52:55.255
accessible facility be built in the

02:52:55.279 --> 02:52:57.656
current spot? Would those two trees

02:52:57.680 --> 02:53:00.136
there still remain or would they need to

02:53:00.160 --> 02:53:01.176
come down?

02:53:01.200 --> 02:53:02.536
 through you chair. No, they're

02:53:02.560 --> 02:53:04.696
currently actually impacting upon the

02:53:04.720 --> 02:53:06.216
structure of the toilet blocks. So they

02:53:06.240 --> 02:53:08.136
would need to come down  in the event

02:53:08.160 --> 02:53:10.056
that we replace the toilet block in its

02:53:10.080 --> 02:53:10.856
current location.

02:53:10.880 --> 02:53:13.335
So So regardless, two trees need to be

02:53:13.359 --> 02:53:14.056
removed.

02:53:14.080 --> 02:53:14.696
That's correct.

02:53:14.720 --> 02:53:17.720
Okay. Um and councelor Lee, you ask

02:53:19.040 --> 02:53:20.295
yours and then I've got one more

02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:21.816
question.

02:53:21.840 --> 02:53:23.816
Oh, okay. And one more question. So the

02:53:23.840 --> 02:53:26.375
petition also calls for the removal of

02:53:26.399 --> 02:53:29.176
concrete paths from the B Morris con um

02:53:29.200 --> 02:53:32.200
conservation society.  has the design

02:53:33.040 --> 02:53:35.415
changed since his feedback? stakeholder

02:53:35.439 --> 02:53:37.896
major stakeholder feedback and do we

02:53:37.920 --> 02:53:40.536
have before and after design?

02:53:40.560 --> 02:53:42.536
 yes through you chairs we didn't

02:53:42.560 --> 02:53:45.560
check chairs chair we did in fact change

02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:48.616
um the paths that come through from each

02:53:48.640 --> 02:53:51.096
of the corners  of the park um they

02:53:51.120 --> 02:53:52.616
were originally proposed to be concrete

02:53:52.640 --> 02:53:54.856
and they have been changed to um a

02:53:54.880 --> 02:53:56.856
grrenitic surface so a much more

02:53:56.880 --> 02:53:59.176
permeable surface. Um, we've also

02:53:59.200 --> 02:54:01.335
changed the seating as well to sort of

02:54:01.359 --> 02:54:03.976
reduce the visible load of a concrete

02:54:04.000 --> 02:54:06.455
seat.

02:54:06.479 --> 02:54:08.856
Thank you. Um, are there any questions

02:54:08.880 --> 02:54:11.816
of the officers or do we is there

02:54:11.840 --> 02:54:13.896
someone willing to move the motion?

02:54:13.920 --> 02:54:16.920
Okay, thank you councelor Lee and second

02:54:17.520 --> 02:54:20.520
councelor. Thank you.

02:54:21.200 --> 02:54:24.200
once I bought beat council to get up.

02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:27.176
Um,

02:54:27.200 --> 02:54:29.016
look, I know the area well obviously

02:54:29.040 --> 02:54:31.016
because of  what I said previously

02:54:31.040 --> 02:54:34.040
that my family was lived in the base in

02:54:34.160 --> 02:54:37.160
the Morris area from about 19 93 up

02:54:38.399 --> 02:54:40.936
until about 6 years ago when all our

02:54:40.960 --> 02:54:43.255
children had left us and we upgraded

02:54:43.279 --> 02:54:45.335
elsewhere. It's just around the corner

02:54:45.359 --> 02:54:47.896
and in Black Rock. Can I say I

02:54:47.920 --> 02:54:49.816
understand that and I've seen the and

02:54:49.840 --> 02:54:52.840
I've got seen the petitions that were um

02:54:52.880 --> 02:54:55.176
were both on behalf of the um

02:54:55.200 --> 02:54:57.736
conservation movement and also the

02:54:57.760 --> 02:55:00.760
traders. I have to say um I support the

02:55:01.600 --> 02:55:03.255
traders petition for a couple of

02:55:03.279 --> 02:55:05.736
reasons. One is that it's getting

02:55:05.760 --> 02:55:07.255
tougher and tougher for small business

02:55:07.279 --> 02:55:09.415
to actually operate

02:55:09.439 --> 02:55:12.439
increasingly with things like um Amazon

02:55:12.880 --> 02:55:14.455
being able to do all sorts of things.

02:55:14.479 --> 02:55:16.455
you can get it the next day and all

02:55:16.479 --> 02:55:18.776
sorts of things from not just them. And

02:55:18.800 --> 02:55:21.576
I think u what we have in in in the

02:55:21.600 --> 02:55:24.600
concourse is I think  probably the

02:55:25.040 --> 02:55:27.896
best for example the best green grosser

02:55:27.920 --> 02:55:30.295
in Bayside that through that area other

02:55:30.319 --> 02:55:33.319
than if you went to um cleaners and men

02:55:34.479 --> 02:55:37.335
um and I must say  the concourse

02:55:37.359 --> 02:55:39.176
they're lucky in the Bayside there

02:55:39.200 --> 02:55:41.976
they're lucky because I have to say when

02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:44.295
I look at what's going on in Black Rock

02:55:44.319 --> 02:55:46.776
with the how the council just ignored

02:55:46.800 --> 02:55:49.176
what was going on there over the years

02:55:49.200 --> 02:55:51.255
and we've now got more traders leaving

02:55:51.279 --> 02:55:53.496
and yet at the concourse you're getting

02:55:53.520 --> 02:55:55.496
it more more people living there in and

02:55:55.520 --> 02:55:57.176
around and a couple of things that

02:55:57.200 --> 02:55:59.016
should really be said about things like

02:55:59.040 --> 02:56:01.176
the toilet facilities now they've been

02:56:01.200 --> 02:56:03.255
there a very long time they're ancient

02:56:03.279 --> 02:56:05.976
they do do need to be replaced the worst

02:56:06.000 --> 02:56:08.216
aspect of about it is is that where they

02:56:08.240 --> 02:56:11.240
are you have on the side where you're

02:56:11.279 --> 02:56:12.936
going to go into the toilets you have

02:56:12.960 --> 02:56:15.496
car parking either way from both sides

02:56:15.520 --> 02:56:17.496
on the other side you had traffic going

02:56:17.520 --> 02:56:20.520
through um passing to go through or

02:56:20.720 --> 02:56:23.415
moving down one side or going down the

02:56:23.439 --> 02:56:25.896
other side. So from the point of view of

02:56:25.920 --> 02:56:28.920
somebody who's over in the area and the

02:56:29.040 --> 02:56:31.656
open area it is or even people anywhere

02:56:31.680 --> 02:56:33.576
near there it's you got to watch you

02:56:33.600 --> 02:56:34.776
watch yourself where you're going

02:56:34.800 --> 02:56:36.136
because there's always cars going

02:56:36.160 --> 02:56:37.816
around. So that's the first thing. So

02:56:37.840 --> 02:56:40.295
it's dangerous from that p perspective.

02:56:40.319 --> 02:56:42.295
I think it's also a great idea that we

02:56:42.319 --> 02:56:45.319
are actually changing the um the yellow

02:56:46.080 --> 02:56:48.295
the white colored area to something more

02:56:48.319 --> 02:56:50.616
structurally important and doing things

02:56:50.640 --> 02:56:53.255
that actually will encourage more people

02:56:53.279 --> 02:56:55.016
to go through that area. And I can tell

02:56:55.040 --> 02:56:57.656
you since since they have put that

02:56:57.680 --> 02:57:00.056
temporary facility in there, the number

02:57:00.080 --> 02:57:01.976
of people who are out there during the

02:57:02.000 --> 02:57:05.000
day sitting there um wet or wet or dry

02:57:05.920 --> 02:57:08.696
because of what it w what it is um it

02:57:08.720 --> 02:57:11.335
actually has advantaged this this the

02:57:11.359 --> 02:57:14.295
shopping center enormously in my my

02:57:14.319 --> 02:57:17.319
point of view. It is a good area to be.

02:57:17.359 --> 02:57:20.359
Um, I think like anything else and I

02:57:20.960 --> 02:57:22.536
must say I want to congratulate them

02:57:22.560 --> 02:57:25.560
because um those black those black 

02:57:26.160 --> 02:57:28.536
disgusting boxes that were  were in

02:57:28.560 --> 02:57:30.856
black in black rock went to the

02:57:30.880 --> 02:57:33.736
concourse and  they were white yellow

02:57:33.760 --> 02:57:36.760
in our in black rock and lo and behold

02:57:37.120 --> 02:57:39.335
they turned up in the Morris and the

02:57:39.359 --> 02:57:41.736
concourse all black which um in in

02:57:41.760 --> 02:57:44.056
between. So they love them down there.

02:57:44.080 --> 02:57:46.056
It's probably the right spot to put them

02:57:46.080 --> 02:57:49.016
for where to stop cars running into the

02:57:49.040 --> 02:57:52.040
um into some of the um shops that have

02:57:52.160 --> 02:57:54.375
happened, I suspect. So, from my point

02:57:54.399 --> 02:57:57.255
of view, I think the traders when you

02:57:57.279 --> 02:57:59.576
look at the traders petition in this,

02:57:59.600 --> 02:58:01.096
it's certainly more than what the other

02:58:01.120 --> 02:58:03.176
locals were. Look, I I have a good

02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:06.200
relationship with Can I have a minute?

02:58:07.120 --> 02:58:08.536
Sure. Thank you. Um

02:58:08.560 --> 02:58:09.896
you have 30 seconds.

02:58:09.920 --> 02:58:11.576
Thank you. I think what happened is

02:58:11.600 --> 02:58:14.600
Well, thanks for that. Um I I think this

02:58:14.800 --> 02:58:17.096
is a good outcome to actually upgrade

02:58:17.120 --> 02:58:18.856
the facility. A lot more people are

02:58:18.880 --> 02:58:20.856
living in the area and I think we need

02:58:20.880 --> 02:58:22.375
to look after it to make sure that the

02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:24.136
traders are successful or we'll lose

02:58:24.160 --> 02:58:26.056
them like what's going on in other areas

02:58:26.080 --> 02:58:27.976
where they've happened. So we as a

02:58:28.000 --> 02:58:29.896
council have a responsibility to look

02:58:29.920 --> 02:58:31.576
after the traders and make sure that

02:58:31.600 --> 02:58:33.496
they're successful for both for our

02:58:33.520 --> 02:58:36.520
residents, never mind just the traders.

02:58:37.600 --> 02:58:39.335
Thank you councelor Lee. Councelor

02:58:39.359 --> 02:58:41.335
Erile,

02:58:41.359 --> 02:58:42.536
I support the motion.

02:58:42.560 --> 02:58:43.736
Do you know where it is?

02:58:43.760 --> 02:58:45.576
Yeah, I do actually. Yes, as a matter of

02:58:45.600 --> 02:58:48.600
fact, I do. I um support the motion,

02:58:48.880 --> 02:58:50.216
Madame May. Thank you.

02:58:50.240 --> 02:58:52.616
Thank you, Councelor Eric. Any further

02:58:52.640 --> 02:58:55.640
debate? Councelor McIntosh.

02:58:59.439 --> 02:59:00.776
 thank you, Madame May. Look,

02:59:00.800 --> 02:59:02.536
tonight's agenda item is about awarding

02:59:02.560 --> 02:59:04.536
the contract, not to debate the design

02:59:04.560 --> 02:59:06.776
of the proposed improvement works.

02:59:06.800 --> 02:59:08.536
Understanding that there are varying

02:59:08.560 --> 02:59:10.856
views on some elements of the project

02:59:10.880 --> 02:59:13.176
and thank you to all who submitted um

02:59:13.200 --> 02:59:15.255
petitions to provide their point of view

02:59:15.279 --> 02:59:17.415
to council. I think it is fair to say

02:59:17.439 --> 02:59:19.016
that most are supportive of the

02:59:19.040 --> 02:59:20.936
installation of a permanent shade or

02:59:20.960 --> 02:59:23.176
shelter on the green. Um I think that

02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:25.016
temporary shelter from what I understand

02:59:25.040 --> 02:59:27.016
and from what I've seen has been well

02:59:27.040 --> 02:59:28.936
used since its installation. It's great

02:59:28.960 --> 02:59:31.415
to see an all weather community

02:59:31.439 --> 02:59:33.335
gathering place which benefits locals

02:59:33.359 --> 02:59:35.816
and visitors to the Boris concourse.

02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:37.816
Just a couple of comments though and

02:59:37.840 --> 02:59:39.656
concerns around the stakeholder

02:59:39.680 --> 02:59:42.680
consultation  process. Um while I

02:59:43.840 --> 02:59:45.415
understand that there are elements of

02:59:45.439 --> 02:59:47.816
the new or recent overall project

02:59:47.840 --> 02:59:50.840
design, this wasn't previously presented

02:59:50.880 --> 02:59:53.496
as an entire project. So for example,

02:59:53.520 --> 02:59:55.816
engagement on the public toilet strategy

02:59:55.840 --> 02:59:57.656
was indeed undertaken a few years ago,

02:59:57.680 --> 02:59:59.736
but this was more around identifying and

02:59:59.760 --> 03:00:02.136
prioritizing public toilet blocks

03:00:02.160 --> 03:00:05.160
requiring renewal or replacement. I

03:00:05.279 --> 03:00:06.776
believe the original wording around the

03:00:06.800 --> 03:00:08.616
facility at the concourse was that this

03:00:08.640 --> 03:00:10.616
would be built in the location of the

03:00:10.640 --> 03:00:13.176
existing toilet block. So, um it's fair

03:00:13.200 --> 03:00:14.856
to say that the community didn't

03:00:14.880 --> 03:00:17.880
necessarily expect that in advance. Um

03:00:19.040 --> 03:00:20.616
consultation on the proposal for a

03:00:20.640 --> 03:00:22.295
permanent shelter, also taken a couple

03:00:22.319 --> 03:00:24.136
of years ago, didn't include the other

03:00:24.160 --> 03:00:27.160
design elements that we now see. Um so

03:00:27.279 --> 03:00:28.936
as such the community consultation on

03:00:28.960 --> 03:00:30.616
this project has been somewhat

03:00:30.640 --> 03:00:32.455
fragmented and I'd really like to think

03:00:32.479 --> 03:00:34.136
that we can learn from this experience

03:00:34.160 --> 03:00:37.160
and do better in future such situations.

03:00:37.520 --> 03:00:39.736
I'm pleased to see that there has been

03:00:39.760 --> 03:00:42.760
um  some feedback taken and revising

03:00:43.200 --> 03:00:45.976
the paths from concrete to granitic

03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:47.976
sand. I do think that's an improvement

03:00:48.000 --> 03:00:50.216
for all and sometimes there is a

03:00:50.240 --> 03:00:52.295
perspective that to be DDA compliant

03:00:52.319 --> 03:00:54.216
that we need these you know flattened

03:00:54.240 --> 03:00:55.976
concrete parts. It's certainly not the

03:00:56.000 --> 03:00:57.656
case and that's the advice that I get

03:00:57.680 --> 03:01:00.136
from our disability access and inclusion

03:01:00.160 --> 03:01:03.160
officers as well. Thank you.

03:01:04.319 --> 03:01:07.319
Thank you. Any further debate?

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Councelor Elma say a couple words and um

03:01:11.120 --> 03:01:12.776
councelor McIntosh prompted me

03:01:12.800 --> 03:01:14.856
regarding the toilet even though I

03:01:14.880 --> 03:01:16.936
understand we might have  slightly

03:01:16.960 --> 03:01:19.816
amended the location.  what I see is a

03:01:19.840 --> 03:01:21.496
bit of maturity in our project

03:01:21.520 --> 03:01:23.016
management office too in this one

03:01:23.040 --> 03:01:25.255
because there usually would be a

03:01:25.279 --> 03:01:27.176
downtime in a shopping center. You don't

03:01:27.200 --> 03:01:29.415
want to leave it without a toilet block.

03:01:29.439 --> 03:01:31.255
And what I believe they are doing in

03:01:31.279 --> 03:01:32.616
this case is they would keep the

03:01:32.640 --> 03:01:35.096
existing one operational while they

03:01:35.120 --> 03:01:37.016
build a new one. They would commission

03:01:37.040 --> 03:01:39.576
the new one and then eventually they end

03:01:39.600 --> 03:01:41.016
up getting rid of the old one. So I

03:01:41.040 --> 03:01:43.576
actually  hats off to the project

03:01:43.600 --> 03:01:46.056
management team for  managing it in

03:01:46.080 --> 03:01:48.375
this way and I fully support the award

03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:51.399
of the contract.

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Thank you councelor. Any further debate?

03:01:56.240 --> 03:01:59.240
I'll say a few words as it is my ward my

03:01:59.439 --> 03:02:02.216
people my community. So intention of the

03:02:02.240 --> 03:02:05.240
upgrade is to maintain the green as open

03:02:05.439 --> 03:02:08.439
welcoming community space improving

03:02:08.560 --> 03:02:11.096
access for people of all abilities and

03:02:11.120 --> 03:02:14.120
ages providing appropriate facilities to

03:02:14.160 --> 03:02:16.696
support how the space is used as well as

03:02:16.720 --> 03:02:19.096
supporting the vitality of the activity

03:02:19.120 --> 03:02:22.120
center and traders. Um the green

03:02:22.479 --> 03:02:25.415
currently has poor access for older

03:02:25.439 --> 03:02:27.576
residents in so far as it doesn't have

03:02:27.600 --> 03:02:30.600
any pathways. It's a bit of a dusty tr

03:02:31.600 --> 03:02:34.600
you know torn well treaded um over tree

03:02:35.200 --> 03:02:38.056
roots and so forth a few pathways there.

03:02:38.080 --> 03:02:40.056
So people with ambulant diff

03:02:40.080 --> 03:02:42.056
difficulties and younger families with

03:02:42.080 --> 03:02:44.616
push chairs um you know we will find it

03:02:44.640 --> 03:02:47.640
hard to access  the the and enjoy that

03:02:47.840 --> 03:02:49.896
community space as it currently exists

03:02:49.920 --> 03:02:52.536
today. So, pathways will improve access

03:02:52.560 --> 03:02:54.776
and make the public space more um

03:02:54.800 --> 03:02:57.576
inclusive in align with our health and

03:02:57.600 --> 03:02:59.976
inclusion plan. I won't go into too much

03:03:00.000 --> 03:03:02.056
detail on that because we've discussed

03:03:02.080 --> 03:03:04.136
that earlier, but it is um one of their

03:03:04.160 --> 03:03:06.295
actions is about making it safer and

03:03:06.319 --> 03:03:08.455
easier for people with disability to

03:03:08.479 --> 03:03:10.056
engage with the community through

03:03:10.080 --> 03:03:12.295
infrastructure and assets such as

03:03:12.319 --> 03:03:15.319
footpaths and parkland. Um the green is

03:03:16.720 --> 03:03:19.415
very dusty at the moment. But there's a

03:03:19.439 --> 03:03:22.439
lot of um it's it's dirt. There's a lot

03:03:22.640 --> 03:03:24.776
of dirt. The grass um where there is

03:03:24.800 --> 03:03:27.176
grass needs renewing. It's as part of

03:03:27.200 --> 03:03:29.496
the project. Onethird of it will now be

03:03:29.520 --> 03:03:32.520
new lawn and 2/3 new indigenous

03:03:32.640 --> 03:03:35.640
indigenous planting of 1,200 new plants

03:03:36.160 --> 03:03:38.616
which is very exciting for for for the

03:03:38.640 --> 03:03:40.936
area and will beautify it and will look

03:03:40.960 --> 03:03:43.960
amazing. public lighting um safety fauna

03:03:45.359 --> 03:03:47.255
friendly lighting will go in throughout

03:03:47.279 --> 03:03:50.279
that green too um and four new car spots

03:03:51.439 --> 03:03:53.576
 which are very much needed will be

03:03:53.600 --> 03:03:56.600
created as well um so the consultation

03:03:57.840 --> 03:04:00.056
councelor McIntosh you're you're right

03:04:00.080 --> 03:04:03.080
it's been disjointed I think co has had

03:04:03.520 --> 03:04:05.335
a bit to do with that and just you know

03:04:05.359 --> 03:04:08.359
projects just kind of stall as well so

03:04:08.640 --> 03:04:10.616
initial precinct planning and

03:04:10.640 --> 03:04:12.936
placemaking in um went out to

03:04:12.960 --> 03:04:15.960
consultation. This is all on to page 285

03:04:16.640 --> 03:04:19.640
of the agenda, but 2017 and then again

03:04:20.640 --> 03:04:23.576
in 20123 for the replacement of the

03:04:23.600 --> 03:04:26.375
temporary marquee um where the community

03:04:26.399 --> 03:04:28.295
were very much in support of that

03:04:28.319 --> 03:04:30.616
permanent replacement,

03:04:30.640 --> 03:04:33.640
the Bayside toilet strategy in 24 um and

03:04:35.279 --> 03:04:37.736
then as part of this process many of the

03:04:37.760 --> 03:04:40.375
key stakeholders were engaged. So B

03:04:40.399 --> 03:04:42.295
Morris Conservation Society were

03:04:42.319 --> 03:04:45.176
presented to the traders  neighborhood

03:04:45.200 --> 03:04:48.200
watch B Morris Rotary um all in approval

03:04:49.520 --> 03:04:51.736
apart from obviously the the concerns

03:04:51.760 --> 03:04:54.536
from the conservation society.

03:04:54.560 --> 03:04:57.255
Um for myself as a new counselor it was

03:04:57.279 --> 03:04:58.856
important for me to go out and engage

03:04:58.880 --> 03:05:00.936
with the community. So I took part in

03:05:00.960 --> 03:05:03.960
the May 2026 community information

03:05:04.080 --> 03:05:06.136
session that was held in the morning. I

03:05:06.160 --> 03:05:08.616
think between us there was about 120

03:05:08.640 --> 03:05:11.176
conversations. Only two were negative

03:05:11.200 --> 03:05:14.200
and they were regarding the toilet. Um

03:05:14.240 --> 03:05:16.536
neither of the two said they ever used

03:05:16.560 --> 03:05:19.016
the toilet cuz they lived close by. But

03:05:19.040 --> 03:05:20.616
 they were happy for the toilet just

03:05:20.640 --> 03:05:23.640
to stay as it was. Um in regards to the

03:05:24.479 --> 03:05:27.479
petitions itself um the one from the

03:05:28.080 --> 03:05:31.080
conservation um of the if if we look at

03:05:32.000 --> 03:05:34.776
all signatures I think there's a

03:05:34.800 --> 03:05:37.736
determination that some signatures um

03:05:37.760 --> 03:05:40.216
aren't valid if it didn't didn't have

03:05:40.240 --> 03:05:42.536
the only had the initial I'm taking into

03:05:42.560 --> 03:05:44.295
account that every was valid everyone

03:05:44.319 --> 03:05:47.255
was valid. We had 153 of the

03:05:47.279 --> 03:05:50.216
conservation society of which 113 were

03:05:50.240 --> 03:05:52.936
from Bowie and Black Rockck of the

03:05:52.960 --> 03:05:55.960
Traders and local community. Um there

03:05:56.319 --> 03:05:58.295
were 399

03:05:58.319 --> 03:06:00.696
Bowie and Black Rockck residents in

03:06:00.720 --> 03:06:02.936
support. These weren't canvased. They

03:06:02.960 --> 03:06:05.176
were in the shop window and people went

03:06:05.200 --> 03:06:07.656
in. Can I ask for a mover for extension

03:06:07.680 --> 03:06:09.335
of time? Councelor Hockley. Thank you.

03:06:09.359 --> 03:06:11.656
And a second councelor Elmer Wall. All

03:06:11.680 --> 03:06:14.375
those in favor. Councelor Eri Murray

03:06:14.399 --> 03:06:17.335
Elmo Lee McIntosh Hoply Taylor Hayne so

03:06:17.359 --> 03:06:20.359
it is carried so um their argument there

03:06:21.359 --> 03:06:23.255
and they have today dropped off more

03:06:23.279 --> 03:06:25.496
signatures that they didn't actively

03:06:25.520 --> 03:06:28.216
canvas but for me as the counselor if

03:06:28.240 --> 03:06:29.976
all those people were in this chamber

03:06:30.000 --> 03:06:33.000
right now it would be one fifth against

03:06:34.240 --> 03:06:36.696
and four you know four fifths four so

03:06:36.720 --> 03:06:39.656
the eyes would have it um therefore it

03:06:39.680 --> 03:06:42.680
it absolutely has my approval Um, if

03:06:43.120 --> 03:06:45.816
there's no further debate, we put this

03:06:45.840 --> 03:06:48.840
to the vote. All those in favor,

03:06:48.880 --> 03:06:51.880
councelor Erlex, Murray, Elmo, Lee,

03:06:52.720 --> 03:06:55.255
McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor, Haynes, and so

03:06:55.279 --> 03:06:58.279
it is carried.

03:06:58.880 --> 03:07:01.880
So, section 11, reports by delegates.

03:07:02.160 --> 03:07:04.696
Um, Association of Bayside

03:07:04.720 --> 03:07:06.856
Municipalities Director of City

03:07:06.880 --> 03:07:09.016
Services. Were was there anything to

03:07:09.040 --> 03:07:09.976
report?

03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:11.976
, yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor. um

03:07:12.000 --> 03:07:13.896
officers attended a meeting of the ABM

03:07:13.920 --> 03:07:16.455
on the 8th of July um with a workshop

03:07:16.479 --> 03:07:18.696
focusing on specific actions identified

03:07:18.720 --> 03:07:21.656
in the ABM strategic plan. The purpose

03:07:21.680 --> 03:07:23.576
was to obtain member buyin on the scope

03:07:23.600 --> 03:07:25.415
of actions relating to themes such as

03:07:25.439 --> 03:07:27.576
funding, traditional owner engagement

03:07:27.600 --> 03:07:30.600
and wider ecosystem health.

03:07:32.160 --> 03:07:35.160
Thank you. Um and

03:07:35.600 --> 03:07:38.056
two,  the report by delegate for the

03:07:38.080 --> 03:07:41.080
Metropolitan Transport Forum

03:07:41.279 --> 03:07:44.279
still exist.

03:07:44.960 --> 03:07:46.856
Through the chair, I have taken over

03:07:46.880 --> 03:07:47.816
reporting on this item.

03:07:47.840 --> 03:07:48.696
Congratulations.

03:07:48.720 --> 03:07:51.096
Thank you. U a meeting was held on the

03:07:51.120 --> 03:07:53.576
8th of July. Um the MTF session focused

03:07:53.600 --> 03:07:55.415
on transport advocacy and key issues in

03:07:55.439 --> 03:07:57.096
the leadup to the state elections.

03:07:57.120 --> 03:07:58.216
Presentations were made by

03:07:58.240 --> 03:07:59.976
representatives of regional alliances

03:08:00.000 --> 03:08:01.976
including lead west, Northern Council

03:08:02.000 --> 03:08:05.000
Alliance M9 and ISMM MMF. The Mayor,

03:08:06.560 --> 03:08:08.136
councelor Debbie Taylor Haynes,

03:08:08.160 --> 03:08:09.496
presented the key priorities for the

03:08:09.520 --> 03:08:12.520
ISMMF and Bayside with a focus on bus

03:08:12.960 --> 03:08:15.096
connections and timetabling, active

03:08:15.120 --> 03:08:16.696
transport links and arterial road

03:08:16.720 --> 03:08:18.936
crossings. Joint advocacy positions will

03:08:18.960 --> 03:08:20.936
be finalized by the MTF in the leadup to

03:08:20.960 --> 03:08:22.776
the state election with positions likely

03:08:22.800 --> 03:08:24.776
to focus on bus timetabling, improved

03:08:24.800 --> 03:08:26.536
connectivity around transport hubs,

03:08:26.560 --> 03:08:28.536
arterial road crossings, and tram

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extensions including accessible stops.

03:08:37.040 --> 03:08:39.976
Thank you, Councelor Lee. So, the third

03:08:40.000 --> 03:08:42.295
report, the Municipal Association of

03:08:42.319 --> 03:08:44.856
Victoria, that was myself. A regional

03:08:44.880 --> 03:08:47.255
meeting was held on the 17th of July

03:08:47.279 --> 03:08:49.576
looking at motions for the next state

03:08:49.600 --> 03:08:51.976
council meeting. Councilors, if we're to

03:08:52.000 --> 03:08:53.576
put forward a motion, that needs to be

03:08:53.600 --> 03:08:56.536
done before the 24th. Um, I advise that

03:08:56.560 --> 03:08:59.335
no position had been taken.  um and

03:08:59.359 --> 03:09:02.056
that our advocacy focuses really remain

03:09:02.080 --> 03:09:04.696
the same priorities as highlighted in

03:09:04.720 --> 03:09:07.720
the LA recent state council um meeting.

03:09:08.080 --> 03:09:10.616
So i.e. still one planning reforms

03:09:10.640 --> 03:09:13.335
across the five activity centers

03:09:13.359 --> 03:09:16.359
infrastructure planning or lack thereof

03:09:16.399 --> 03:09:18.696
across the five activity centers cost

03:09:18.720 --> 03:09:21.255
shifting kindergartens as well as

03:09:21.279 --> 03:09:23.816
improving the bus services as mentioned

03:09:23.840 --> 03:09:26.840
in the previous report. Um I talked to

03:09:26.960 --> 03:09:29.960
the connectivity particularly um

03:09:30.319 --> 03:09:32.455
regarding those suburbs not serviced by

03:09:32.479 --> 03:09:34.776
train networks so by Mars and Black

03:09:34.800 --> 03:09:37.176
Rockck as well as future connectivity

03:09:37.200 --> 03:09:40.056
around the suburban rail loop. Um and I

03:09:40.080 --> 03:09:42.936
made um well I kind of emphasized the

03:09:42.960 --> 03:09:44.616
point that those wishing to catch a

03:09:44.640 --> 03:09:47.335
train from Boxill to Chelnham to visit

03:09:47.359 --> 03:09:49.976
Sandringham Beach will currently spend

03:09:50.000 --> 03:09:53.000
either an hour on a train or a bus to

03:09:53.040 --> 03:09:55.016
travel what is a 5minute journey

03:09:55.040 --> 03:09:58.040
currently by car down Bay Road because

03:09:58.080 --> 03:10:00.455
that's the con the connectivity that

03:10:00.479 --> 03:10:02.375
exists currently and needs to be

03:10:02.399 --> 03:10:05.399
addressed. Um that's it for my report.

03:10:05.920 --> 03:10:08.920
Moving on to um the fourth  inner

03:10:09.680 --> 03:10:12.295
south metropolitan Mayor's forum. We are

03:10:12.319 --> 03:10:14.696
meeting next week. So nothing to report

03:10:14.720 --> 03:10:17.096
there. And the fifth on the southeast

03:10:17.120 --> 03:10:19.096
council's climate change alliance.

03:10:19.120 --> 03:10:21.016
Councelor McIntosh.

03:10:21.040 --> 03:10:22.696
Thank you madame Mayor.  just noting

03:10:22.720 --> 03:10:24.856
that the next um meeting is scheduled

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for Thursday the 6th of August and that

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is a meal forum which is going to take

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place in our neighboring municipality

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the city of Kingston this time.

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Thank you. Can I have a mover for these

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reports? Councelor Murray and a

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seconder, Councelor McIntosh. All those

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in favor, councelor Irlichtt, Murray,

03:10:45.120 --> 03:10:48.120
Elmo, Lee, McIntosh, Huckley, Taylor

03:10:48.479 --> 03:10:51.479
Haynes, and so it is carried. , urgent

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business section 12. There were no items

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of urgent business submitted. So, we

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will  proceed to section 14. Oh, we

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actually have one non still. So 13.3

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um notice of motion 378 audit and risk

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committee that first before

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okay  just one minute counselor. So

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counselors please be advised of a um

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there's a typo  correction that has

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been updated to the public published

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agenda relating to councelor Lee's

03:11:22.240 --> 03:11:24.375
notice of motion in particular the

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rationale so that the statement is

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accurate. The update is shown below

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to councelor.

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Okay.

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Does he need to read that?

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Okay. Councelor Lee, you're moving it.

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Do we have a seconder?

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Councelor McIntosh.

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Look, this this type of motion is not

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for what goes on in this council because

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Councelor Lee, can we just clarify? Are

03:12:10.399 --> 03:12:12.936
you moving with an amendment?

03:12:12.960 --> 03:12:15.816
Yes. Um, sorry that I have to move.

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That's right.

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Just one minute. We'll get that up and

03:12:18.080 --> 03:12:18.696
you

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Yeah.

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Might need to read that out.

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Yep.

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There's the second part of it. It's one

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and two.

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Okay.

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Coming up on screen now.

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Okay. So,

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I'll read it out.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Um  that council one within the

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governance report include a short

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itemized summary of the business

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transacted at any preceding audit and

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risk committee meetings including any

03:13:54.960 --> 03:13:57.255
key findings in a format that complies

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with confidential confidentiality

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requirements. two notes that the

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itemized summaries will be approved by

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the chair of the audit and risk

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committee and published in the prominent

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location on council website within 7

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days of the corresponding audit and risk

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committee meetings  minutes being

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received by council. Um why am I doing

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this? It is not because of what anything

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this council does. I can tell you. But

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having sat at eight meetings at the last

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bunch of nitwits who ran the council.

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Um, and sorry, unfortunately, one of

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them didn't. One of them left. I was

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here.

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He was the only good one on there. He

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was the only good one on there because I

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remember what happened during that. I

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sat there and h counselor counselor over

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there should actually send everybody a

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copy of the how what a bunch of fools

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they were when I asked them about the

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$1.5 million and what happened. My point

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of all of this is very simple. When you

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one day we get another bunch of clowns

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that were like the last bunch of clowns,

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it will go wrong for the officers. This

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is the beginning of another example of

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what I'm trying to do is embed in the

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system so that these characters cannot

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change it without coming back to

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council. We know in the reason I used

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the two life-saving clubs is for one

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reason only and that was that was over

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$30 million of rateayers money that was

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used to do it not the state as what the

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idea was. So places like Black Rock and

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many other places were were um were

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looked down and there are other examples

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like Holloway Road $14 million botched

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that if you go down to the um basketball

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the basketball courts they couldn't even

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connect them between each other the ones

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that were there. So the kids go from in

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winter from one from a door into the

03:15:50.560 --> 03:15:53.560
open area almost freezing sometimes into

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the other one. This just shows you the

03:15:56.000 --> 03:15:58.455
level of botchiness that went on went in

03:15:58.479 --> 03:16:01.096
in in that council. And I might say

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what's what state and federal

03:16:02.640 --> 03:16:04.696
governments do out of when audited

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reports have come back from from um from

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auditors and that they actually often

03:16:09.920 --> 03:16:11.736
they do actually lodge them all too

03:16:11.760 --> 03:16:14.760
often though they lodge 150 of them one

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day one day together. That may be so,

03:16:17.520 --> 03:16:19.976
but the fact is we need a process of

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where we can actually improve it. And

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what I hope to see that it can be put up

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on the website in some in some form so

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that anybody can read it and take a and

03:16:30.479 --> 03:16:32.696
maybe expand on it and a jour I'm I'm

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quite happy that a journ jouro can look

03:16:34.560 --> 03:16:36.696
at it and find it and have a go at us if

03:16:36.720 --> 03:16:38.455
we get it wrong as what should what

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should happen. So my point really was

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simply in this case it was two count it

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was two  two count Can we not refer to

03:16:47.359 --> 03:16:49.656
previous council or counselors? It could

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be deemed offensive and they're not here

03:16:51.600 --> 03:16:53.016
to defend themselves counsel.

03:16:53.040 --> 03:16:54.536
Well, I'd love them to be here and okay,

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I won't say it again. My point is there

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was one sensible counselor on on that

03:16:59.359 --> 03:17:01.576
council at that point from what I saw

03:17:01.600 --> 03:17:03.176
watching for eight meetings and it was

03:17:03.200 --> 03:17:05.816
the council council sitting across the

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across the road from me so to speak. My

03:17:08.239 --> 03:17:10.936
point is in all of this, we have a we

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have a duty to protect this council long

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term after us. And if the very some of

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these things like moving these motions

03:17:17.920 --> 03:17:19.976
make it very hard for them to change it

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and hopefully what it'll do is um make

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sure that we actually do always get good

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governance from our council. So as far

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as I'm concerned, over $30 million was

03:17:29.520 --> 03:17:31.335
wasted in a way that should not have

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happened.  and we have now got

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obviously the other life-saving clubs

03:17:35.520 --> 03:17:36.936
demanding we should help them which we

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can't nor should we. So my point of view

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I think it's just another part of the

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process of trying to make sure we got

03:17:43.680 --> 03:17:45.335
get better governance and better

03:17:45.359 --> 03:17:47.896
accountability as a council.

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Thank you councelor Lee Councelor

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McIntosh.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Madame Mayor. I'll I'll be

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brief. I do see more transparency, not

03:17:58.880 --> 03:18:00.375
less, as a positive for government

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business and processes and provision of

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information including but not limited to

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financial information in a plain English

03:18:06.800 --> 03:18:09.576
and shorter, more digestible format as

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improving public access to council's

03:18:11.520 --> 03:18:13.415
work and as such I am supportive of this

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notice of motion from councelor Lee.

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Thank you councelor McIntosh. Any

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further debate councelor Irlicht?

03:18:20.239 --> 03:18:23.016
Oh, not really. Look, I completely

03:18:23.040 --> 03:18:25.656
concur with  councelor Lee. I just

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wanted to make a point that  when he

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talks about clowns, I think the worst

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thing

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than being called a clown is when

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someone says, "Who's that clown?"

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Because not only does it imply you're a

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clown, but you're so insignificant they

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don't even know who you are. Just

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crossed my mind. I thought I'd share

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that.

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Thank you, councelor Electron. Any

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further debate?

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Say a couple words. Considering

03:18:49.600 --> 03:18:52.136
considering I'm the the the one

03:18:52.160 --> 03:18:53.816
counselor that returned from the

03:18:53.840 --> 03:18:55.736
previous council

03:18:55.760 --> 03:18:58.760
 I just like like to say um you know I

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am all for transparency and any extra

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transparency is more than welcome but at

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the same time you talk the talk you need

03:19:06.800 --> 03:19:08.696
to walk the walk what I've seen and

03:19:08.720 --> 03:19:11.176
compare it to the previous council term

03:19:11.200 --> 03:19:13.736
to this council term I am seeing more

03:19:13.760 --> 03:19:16.760
confidential items in this term way more

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than the previous term. So, if we're

03:19:18.319 --> 03:19:20.136
going to talk the talk, let's walk the

03:19:20.160 --> 03:19:22.295
walk. More transparency is great. Less

03:19:22.319 --> 03:19:24.856
confidential items is even better. So, I

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put it on the table there.

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Thank you for informing us of that.

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Thank you, Councelor Elmo. Okay. Should

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we put this to the vote or all those in

03:19:35.200 --> 03:19:36.856
favor? Councelor Irlichtt, Maria,

03:19:36.880 --> 03:19:39.656
Elmoalam, Lee McIntosh, Hockley, Taylor

03:19:39.680 --> 03:19:42.680
Haynes. And so, it is carried.

03:19:45.520 --> 03:19:48.520
comments.

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And on that note, considering it's a

03:19:51.680 --> 03:19:53.496
confidential matter, I'm leaving the

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room.

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So, councilors, may I have a motion that

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the remainder of the meeting be dealt

03:20:00.640 --> 03:20:03.640
with in camera given the Thank you. and

03:20:04.960 --> 03:20:07.496
seconded. Thank you, Councelor

03:20:07.520 --> 03:20:10.520
McIntosh. All those in favor,

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have we switched off the cameras? Bye.

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Okay. So, councelor Erilet, councelor

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Murray, all those in favor? Councelor

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Elmore, councelor Lee, councelor

03:20:25.760 --> 03:20:28.696
McIntosh.

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Oh, councelor Hogley, councelor Taylor

03:20:31.040 --> 03:20:34.040
Haynes. Thank you. So, council has

03:20:34.560 --> 03:20:36.056
resolved to close the meeting to the

03:20:36.080 --> 03:20:37.736
public at this stage to deal with

03:20:37.760 --> 03:20:40.295
matters of a confidential nature. Thank

03:20:40.319 --> 03:20:42.375
you to those following the council

03:20:42.399 --> 03:20:44.536
meeting tonight. Good evening. Officers,

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please switch off the webcasting.